NorthC said:

luvsexy4all said:

how does this gets so much love and yet not be included in the 2nd golden era??

Because there is no second golden era.

guess u neglect 1992-1996..your loss

luvsexy4all said:

I don't think the gold ever really stopped. There were always plenty of shiny nuggets around if you were willing to dig.

I loved the whole ride.

herb4 said:

I don't think the gold ever really stopped. There were always plenty of shiny nuggets around if you were willing to dig.

I loved the whole ride.

WOW! So nicely put & a WONDERFUL compliment!

luvsexy4all said:

NorthC said:

luvsexy4all said: Because there is no second golden era.

guess u neglect 1992-1996..your loss

I thinkg that would be Silver

luvsexy4all said:

herb4 said:

I don't think the gold ever really stopped. There were always plenty of shiny nuggets around if you were willing to dig.

I loved the whole ride.

I don't think that is what 'golden era' means. If we have to say 'there were golden nugget' laying around if you were willing to dig. That cannot be a 'Golden Era'

1980-1989 we did not have to be willing to dig, it was just exploding everywhere, whole albums, Bside long version, proteges, non associate artists etc

In my opinion, not his best work. If you completly removed all the rapping and took off Jughead it would be listenable. But it had a couple of gems on it like Money Don't Matter 2 Nite. I think the extended version of Insatiable is one of his best ballads. And as much as I love the song though, the lyrics bother me slightly: "I got a Jones, Martha Oh yeah, it be like this -" I don't get the reference to Jones, Martha - what am I missing? Someone enlighten me.

wouldntulove2loveme said:

In my opinion, not his best work. If you completly removed all the rapping and took off Jughead it would be listenable. But it had a couple of gems on it like Money Don't Matter 2 Nite. I think the extended version of Insatiable is one of his best ballads. And as much as I love the song though, the lyrics bother me slightly: "I got a Jones, Martha Oh yeah, it be like this -" I don't get the reference to Jones, Martha - what am I missing? Someone enlighten me.

I might be wrong but I always took the 'I gotta jones, Martha' thing to mean that he was 'jonesing' for Martha, meaning he was craving her (whoever Martha is). There's an old Cheech and Chong song called 'Basketball Jones' that has a line in it that goes 'I gotta basketball jones' and that's what the meaning was in that song- I got a craving for basketball.

I guess "golden" just means "popular" then?

Muscially, I liked his output pretty much throughout his entire career. Sure, the consistency wasn't always there but that was in large part due to the sheer increase in volume and, to some extent, simply getting old. Happens to everybody. NONE OF US are as good as we were in our prime. I never cared about people raggin on him for the name change, the freaky shit he wore, his odd mannerisms or his drop in record sales. My man was bold as love and did what he wanted which I always admired and was what got me hooked in the first place. I went "Uptown" and never looked back.

AS the old saying goes, "they can't all be jams" but two of his largest selling records were D&P and Batman which, IMO, aren't all that great so...I mean...fuck popularity and record sales as a yardstick from where I sit.

I brought up the Musicology through the Super Bowl and R&RHof run since people seem to framing "golden" along those standards (people liked him). I never measured him like that and was always more taken with how he lived his life, built his legacy and remained wild throughout. I never cared how many records he sold and I found plenty...PLENTY of gold throughout his entire run. There were ALWAYS good songs to find if you went and looked.

Charts are for kids. Real music lovers always knew what was up.

i put it more simply for myself, "his prime was 1978 through 2016".

RODSERLING said:

Insatiable is the piece of crap of the album, it sucks. I will never understand the love for this song. . Jughead is not the best song ever, but it s a fun interlude, showcasing the talents of the band. This is really cool and funny. I saw this song performed two times by the band last year or so, it was a great moment.

It's no worse or better than the 100's of other ballads he wrote, a lot of which sound the same to me. Every album had at least one and they were never my faves (except "Damn U" and "I Hate U") but I would never say they just sucked.

"Slow Love" is probably the worst to me and it grinds SoTT to a complete halt (the film and the album). I never got the lust over "Empty Room" and "Adore" either but fans seem to jizz over those over those tracks. I never hear much of diffrence really.

herb4 said:

RODSERLING said:

Insatiable is the piece of crap of the album, it sucks. I will never understand the love for this song. . Jughead is not the best song ever, but it s a fun interlude, showcasing the talents of the band. This is really cool and funny. I saw this song performed two times by the band last year or so, it was a great moment.

It's no worse or better than the 100's of other ballads he wrote, a lot of which sound the same to me. Every album had at least one and they were never my faves (except "Damn U" and "I Hate U") but I would never say they just sucked.

"Slow Love" is probably the worst to me and it grinds SoTT to a complete halt (the film and the album). I never got the lust over "Empty Room" and "Adore" either but fans seem to jizz over those over those tracks. I never hear much of diffrence really.

slow love? anytime prince copied sly like that was fantastic to me. goes to show, everyone has different tasts.

RODSERLING said:

Insatiable is the piece of crap of the album, it sucks. I will never understand the love for this song. . Jughead is not the best song ever, but it s a fun interlude, showcasing the talents of the band. This is really cool and funny. I saw this song performed two times by the band last year or so, it was a great moment.

I have made some less thoughtfull comments during my three years or so on this site. Your comment though sir, is just wrong. Take a listen to the original outtake on the D&P Beginning bootleg. As one user wrote and reviewed on that outtake "He could tear the fucking sea with that falsetto". That demo is a highlight for me in his entire body of work 1976-2015 and definitely a highlight on this album. Jughead is just unbelievable how bad it is, however great musicians you have on your team.

PeteSilas said:

i put it more simply for myself, "his prime was 1978 through 2016".

Is that even being objective?

OldFriends4Sale said:

naw to use Prime as his whole career is not objective.

PeteSilas said:

If I'm ignoring what everyone else says then yes. OldFriends4Sale said:

Is that even being objective?

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The rapping sucks, however, I still find the album enjoyable as a whole. I was a bit put off that the track "Diamonds and Pearls" was not "International Lover's" sleazy cousin.

sulls said:

dodger said:

sulls said:

The rapping sucks, however, I still find the album enjoyable as a whole. I was a bit put off that the track "Diamonds and Pearls" was not "International Lover's" sleazy cousin.

So you were hoping for the Diamonds & Pearl Necklace Remix

dodger said:

iZsaZsa said:

dodger said:

iZsaZsa said:

I guess I should have known...

NorthC said:

luvsexy4all said:

guess u neglect 1992-1996..your loss

That wasn't a golden era. He was ridiculed for the name change, he had no big hits after '94 and couldn't even sell out arenas in Britain and Holland, countries where he had the strongest fanbase. In the 80s, Prince was popular with fans, critics and the general public alike. That's why it was his golden era. You simply cannot say the same about the 90s, no matter how much you like the music from that period.

never argue with people who judge from sales and critical acclaim....

MattyJam said:

RODSERLING said: