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Thread started 12/18/18 2:47am

yello1

Song composed by Prince and Valerie Carter in a new compilation


It's called "I Got Over It" and it appears in the new compilation "The Lost Tapes" by Valerie Carter ...

Thanks once more to PrinceVault.com for the information:


http://princevault.com/in...ot_Over_It


https://www.youtube.com/w...Y5U8w4WYYE


(Thread title amended for accuracy - l'ange bleu moderator)

Reply #1 posted 12/18/18 3:26am

IstenSzek

nice to hear such an early collaboration cool

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #2 posted 12/18/18 4:03am

iZsaZsa

Have this on repeat. music

What?
Reply #3 posted 12/18/18 4:58am

paulludvig

Does Prince play piano on the track?
The wooh is on the one!
Reply #4 posted 12/18/18 5:52am

PURPLEIZED3121

fairly non-descript BUT always nice to have something new.

Reply #5 posted 12/18/18 6:32am

iZsaZsa

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

fairly non-descript BUT always nice to have something new.


Someone asked, if you had to choose between listening to your one favorite song with Prince, always and forever, only, or, every song with Prince, one time and done, which would you choose. I would choose the latter.

What?
Reply #6 posted 12/18/18 12:17pm

Dandroppedadime

Did this man ever stop writing and recording?! Sounds like a Prince composition from the era, I imagine Prince did the ‘demo’ and her musicians re-recorded it. But I’m only guessing, so don’t hate me cuz I’m beautiful!
Reply #7 posted 12/18/18 3:44pm

2freaky4church1

I doubt he wrote this.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
Reply #8 posted 12/18/18 4:29pm

paulludvig

2freaky4church1 said:

  I doubt he wrote this. 



Why?
The wooh is on the one!
Reply #9 posted 12/18/18 7:13pm

pinkcashmere23

Nice! Thanks for sharing

Reply #10 posted 12/18/18 9:10pm

EddieC

Sounds about right to me--it's not a great song, but it sounds like a Prince one from around then.

Reply #11 posted 12/19/18 2:15am

yello1

En respuesta a

Prince and Val were both managed by Bob Cavallo and became friends and started writing and working together. They did several songs. Steve Lukather talks about one of the Prince sessions in his new book which is great BTW!

Reply #12 posted 12/19/18 2:28am

jaawwnn

I like it, sounds like a lot of his late 70's stuff, even the intonation of her singing, whether that's a Prince thing, a 70's thing or a bit of both. Wish it was a big longer though, sounds like there could be a few more minutes in there.

[Edited 12/19/18 2:29am]

Reply #13 posted 12/19/18 2:32am

darkroman

Very sweet indeed.

She has a lovely voice.

It sounds like something that could have been on For You.

Very '70s.

wink

Reply #14 posted 12/19/18 6:13am

iZsaZsa

yello1 said:

En respuesta a

Prince and Val were both managed by Bob Cavallo and became friends and started writing and working together. They did several songs. Steve Lukather talks about one of the Prince sessions in his new book which is great BTW!


drool

What?
Reply #15 posted 12/19/18 8:48am

jjam

iZsaZsa said:

 



yello1 said:






En respuesta a


Prince and Val were both managed by Bob Cavallo and became friends and started writing and working together. They did several songs. Steve Lukather talks about one of the Prince sessions in his new book which is great BTW!





drool


There's a reply to a similar topic in a Valerie Carter official group where it states that Valerie and Prince worked together on a project with Prince singing and playing. They're trying to get clearance to release these tracks.
Reply #16 posted 12/19/18 10:12am

yello1

jjam said:

iZsaZsa said:


drool

There's a reply to a similar topic in a Valerie Carter official group where it states that Valerie and Prince worked together on a project with Prince singing and playing. They're trying to get clearance to release these tracks.

Waaaaa...Has anyone read the memories of Steve Lukather?


Prince Estate: (...if you read this) ...one more time

We want to know everything he recorded.

Thank you.

Reply #17 posted 12/19/18 10:49am

Wolfie87

Please enlighten me, what is she famous for and what is her musical impact? Wikipedia didn't give me enough answers.
Reply #18 posted 12/19/18 11:34am

pinkcashmere23

Wolfie87 said:

Please enlighten me, what is she famous for and what is her musical impact? Wikipedia didn't give me enough answers.

I was not familiar with her either. I listened to her cover of EWF's "That's The Way Of The World" that played after and saw that it listed Maurice White and Phoebe Snow as singing on it as well. They said that it was from Valerie's 1996 album 'The Way It Is' I really like her voice.

Reply #19 posted 12/19/18 11:41am

luv2tha99s

Nice song. No one mentioned the rain in the beginning lol.
Reply #20 posted 12/19/18 11:55am

Latin

Here is Valerie's version of Prince's "Crazy You":

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=u1q1yhptQ0k
Reply #21 posted 12/19/18 12:23pm

pinkcashmere23

Latin said:

Here is Valerie's version of Prince's "Crazy You": https://m.youtube.com/wat...1q1yhptQ0k

Nice version. Thanks Latin!

Reply #22 posted 12/19/18 3:54pm

BartVanHemelen

From Steve Lukather's book:

.

Like Carlton, Graydon and Ritenour, James was in the process of breaking out from session work and, in his case, into producing. He had just then landed a gig producing a record, Wild Child, for a singer-songwriter named Valerie Carter, and brought me along to play on it. I had dug Valerie back in high school and from her first solo album, which Lowell George of Little Feat fame produced. Wild Child turned out to be a wonderful record to make. The songs were great. It was done at one of my favourite studios, Sunset Sound, and that was when I started to feel as if I had been welcomed into the A-list of guys. James had me write a tune with him for the record, too, called 'Lady in the Dark'. Other than me, he also called in Jeff on drums, David Hungate on bass, and an unbelievable jazz pianist and percussionist, Victor Feldman, who was twenty years older than the rest of us and was another to have worked on Steely's stuff.

.

James had an enigmatic assistant on the record, this little black dude from Minnesota who was supposed to be the new wunderkind. This guy was meant to be there in a co-producer capacity, but didn't actually speak. I would be doing a guitar overdub and his head would just appear over the top of the console. He would stare at me for a few seconds and slowly disappear from view again. It was really fucking weird. He didn't once even acknowledge me, never mind introduce himself. I only found out later that this cat was Prince.

.

Four years later, the two of us would both be back at Sunset Sound. I was doing a session for Greg Mathieson and Prince was working in an adjoining room with his band. I would see him outside the complex at ten in the morning, sat astride a purple motorbike and wearing a silver lame suit. I would smile and nod my head to him, but the most that I ever got out of him in return was a raised eyebrow. He was one very strange, talented cat.

.

There si another reference to Prince in his book which seems to relate to Prince playing keyboards on Stevie Nicks's "Stand Back", but that page wasn't available in Google Books for me.

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Reply #23 posted 12/19/18 5:27pm

PennyPurple

biggrin I can just see Prince doing that. Cool story.

BartVanHemelen said:

From Steve Lukather's book:

.

Like Carlton, Graydon and Ritenour, James was in the process of breaking out from session work and, in his case, into producing. He had just then landed a gig producing a record, Wild Child, for a singer-songwriter named Valerie Carter, and brought me along to play on it. I had dug Valerie back in high school and from her first solo album, which Lowell George of Little Feat fame produced. Wild Child turned out to be a wonderful record to make. The songs were great. It was done at one of my favourite studios, Sunset Sound, and that was when I started to feel as if I had been welcomed into the A-list of guys. James had me write a tune with him for the record, too, called 'Lady in the Dark'. Other than me, he also called in Jeff on drums, David Hungate on bass, and an unbelievable jazz pianist and percussionist, Victor Feldman, who was twenty years older than the rest of us and was another to have worked on Steely's stuff.

.

James had an enigmatic assistant on the record, this little black dude from Minnesota who was supposed to be the new wunderkind. This guy was meant to be there in a co-producer capacity, but didn't actually speak. I would be doing a guitar overdub and his head would just appear over the top of the console. He would stare at me for a few seconds and slowly disappear from view again. It was really fucking weird. He didn't once even acknowledge me, never mind introduce himself. I only found out later that this cat was Prince.

.

Four years later, the two of us would both be back at Sunset Sound. I was doing a session for Greg Mathieson and Prince was working in an adjoining room with his band. I would see him outside the complex at ten in the morning, sat astride a purple motorbike and wearing a silver lame suit. I would smile and nod my head to him, but the most that I ever got out of him in return was a raised eyebrow. He was one very strange, talented cat.

.

There si another reference to Prince in his book which seems to relate to Prince playing keyboards on Stevie Nicks's "Stand Back", but that page wasn't available in Google Books for me.

Reply #24 posted 12/21/18 1:11am

BartVanHemelen

A brand new Prince song emerges and details about his pre-fame involvement with another artist, and this isn't a sticky or front-page material? And the thread basically dies after a handful of posts?

.

Seriously?

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Reply #25 posted 12/21/18 4:51am

EddieC

BartVanHemelen said:

A brand new Prince song emerges and details about his pre-fame involvement with another artist, and this isn't a sticky or front-page material? And the thread basically dies after a handful of posts?

.

Seriously?

It is strange. At first I thought, "Well, maybe none of the mods have noticed the thread"--but nope, l'ange bleu amended the thread title, so at least one mod knows about the thread. This certainly seems like news-worthy news to me.

Reply #26 posted 12/21/18 8:10am

Neversin

yello1 said:


It's called "I Got Over It" and it appears in the new compilation "The Lost Tapes" by Valerie Carter ...

Thanks once more to PrinceVault.com for the information:


http://princevault.com/in...ot_Over_It


https://www.youtube.com/w...Y5U8w4WYYE


(Thread title amended for accuracy - l'ange bleu moderator)


Why the fuck isn't this on the front page?!
This is genuine "News", mods... Fucking hell...

Neversin.

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Reply #27 posted 12/21/18 8:13am

pinkcashmere23

BartVanHemelen said:

From Steve Lukather's book:

.

Like Carlton, Graydon and Ritenour, James was in the process of breaking out from session work and, in his case, into producing. He had just then landed a gig producing a record, Wild Child, for a singer-songwriter named Valerie Carter, and brought me along to play on it. I had dug Valerie back in high school and from her first solo album, which Lowell George of Little Feat fame produced. Wild Child turned out to be a wonderful record to make. The songs were great. It was done at one of my favourite studios, Sunset Sound, and that was when I started to feel as if I had been welcomed into the A-list of guys. James had me write a tune with him for the record, too, called 'Lady in the Dark'. Other than me, he also called in Jeff on drums, David Hungate on bass, and an unbelievable jazz pianist and percussionist, Victor Feldman, who was twenty years older than the rest of us and was another to have worked on Steely's stuff.

.

James had an enigmatic assistant on the record, this little black dude from Minnesota who was supposed to be the new wunderkind. This guy was meant to be there in a co-producer capacity, but didn't actually speak. I would be doing a guitar overdub and his head would just appear over the top of the console. He would stare at me for a few seconds and slowly disappear from view again. It was really fucking weird. He didn't once even acknowledge me, never mind introduce himself. I only found out later that this cat was Prince.

.

Four years later, the two of us would both be back at Sunset Sound. I was doing a session for Greg Mathieson and Prince was working in an adjoining room with his band. I would see him outside the complex at ten in the morning, sat astride a purple motorbike and wearing a silver lame suit. I would smile and nod my head to him, but the most that I ever got out of him in return was a raised eyebrow. He was one very strange, talented cat.

.

There si another reference to Prince in his book which seems to relate to Prince playing keyboards on Stevie Nicks's "Stand Back", but that page wasn't available in Google Books for me.

Interesting! Thanks for sharing

Reply #28 posted 12/21/18 12:42pm

Latin

BartVanHemelen said:

A brand new Prince song emerges and details about his pre-fame involvement with another artist, and this isn't a sticky or front-page material? And the thread basically dies after a handful of posts?


.


Seriously?


yeahthat
Reply #29 posted 12/22/18 7:25am

Graycap23

Awful..........Prince was no where near this track.

I can see why it was lost.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
Reply #30 posted 12/22/18 4:34pm

Militant

moderator

Ha, just made a video about this actually.

Been away for a few days, but will get this thread up on the front page now. Sorry for the delay y'all.

Reply #31 posted 12/22/18 7:06pm

TheTruth123

Graycap23 said:

Awful.....Prince was no where near this track.


I can see why it was lost.



You really think so? It is definitely a 70s vibe which I completely dig and many songs then were pop-driven simple with a necessary really good female vocalist to carry them. He might have written it to be that simple. By the way I really like your signature.
Reply #32 posted 12/22/18 9:00pm

EddieC

Thanks for front-paging it, Militant.

Reply #33 posted 12/23/18 2:29am

jaawwnn

Graycap23 said:

Awful..........Prince was no where near this track.

I can see why it was lost.

It's interchangeable with half the songs on his first two albums.

Reply #34 posted 12/23/18 4:42am

iZsaZsa

Graycap23 said:

Awful..........Prince was no where near this track.

I can see why it was lost.


Prince didn't write it because you don't like it? You can't see past your nose Sir.

What?
Reply #35 posted 12/23/18 5:19am

jjam

I really like the track. But it's a generic West Coast sounding track of its time. No compositional traits that I'd particularly associate with Prince, i.e. the chorus has a different melody to the verse wink

Reply #36 posted 12/23/18 8:11am

Graycap23

iZsaZsa said:

Graycap23 said:

Awful..........Prince was no where near this track.

I can see why it was lost.


Prince didn't write it because you don't like it? You can't see past your nose Sir.

I can see past what is or isn't written by Prince.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
Reply #37 posted 12/23/18 9:30am

Darshy

Absolutely beautiful song, and the pitter-patter of the rain in the background makes it even more special, just can't stop listening too it. And can't believe I had never heard of Valerie until now; what a voice!
Reply #38 posted 12/23/18 10:24am

jjam

The rain's there to cover up tape hiss, apparently...

Reply #39 posted 12/23/18 10:47am

kingricefan

Not a bad song. Definately a product of its time though.

Reply #40 posted 12/23/18 11:19am

2freaky4church1

The song is a real dog. We live in a world where people would rather hate on a masterwork like Cosmic Day.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
Reply #41 posted 12/23/18 11:57am

iZsaZsa

Graycap23 said:

 



iZsaZsa said:


 



Graycap23 said:


Awful.....Prince was no where near this track.


I can see why it was lost.




Prince didn't write it because you don't like it? You can't see past your nose Sir.



I can see past what is or isn't written by Prince.


Want to bet money? smile
What?
Reply #42 posted 12/23/18 1:30pm

EddieC

2freaky4church1 said:

The song is a real dog. We live in a world where people would rather hate on a masterwork like Cosmic Day.

Let's get it released, and then we'll have a chance to really see whether we'll hate on it or not. Based on what I've heard, I'll feel about the same as I do about this one--maybe a little more positive for Cosmic Day.

Reply #43 posted 12/23/18 2:07pm

IstenSzek

2freaky4church1 said:

The song is a real dog. We live in a world where people would rather hate on a masterwork like Cosmic Day.


probably the same way people seem to feel about 'coco boys', 'come elektra tuesday',
'adonis & bathsheba', 'emotional pump' etc.

they get excited over having them and then....they forget about them. or at least no
one ever mentions them anymore.

we've been given some absolute stone cold classics the last few years and people here
still talk about that one song they haven't got yet.

as soon as they have it, watch them forget about it and start to drool over another cut
they haven't heard yet.

meanwhile, i'm over here listening to those songs as much as any classic album back
in the day and appreciating them for what they are: stunning.


and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #44 posted 12/23/18 2:31pm

jjam

I think Cosmic Day is very good. Not a "masterwork".

And this Valerie Carter track is far from a dog.

Reply #45 posted 12/23/18 5:05pm

Graycap23

iZsaZsa said:

Graycap23 said:

I can see past what is or isn't written by Prince.

Want to bet money? smile

Nope..........better things to invest my loot in.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
Reply #46 posted 12/23/18 5:20pm

iZsaZsa

Graycap23 said:

iZsaZsa said:

Graycap23 said: Want to bet money? smile

Nope..........better things to invest my loot in.

Ok.

What?
Reply #47 posted 12/24/18 5:38am

Neversin

Graycap23 said:

iZsaZsa said:


Prince didn't write it because you don't like it? You can't see past your nose Sir.

I can see past what is or isn't written by Prince.


Apparently you can't...

Neversin.

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Reply #48 posted 12/26/18 8:15am

Cinny

Every For You track sung in falsetto is just a demo intended for Valerie Carter.
Reply #49 posted 12/26/18 11:53am

luvsexy4all

one of those ...if he wasnt involved u'd not give it a listen

Reply #50 posted 12/27/18 1:26am

bonatoc

Graycap23 said:

Awful..........Prince was no where near this track.

I can see why it was lost.


Do like the song then: get.

———

It's fascinating. Sunset Studios that early.
He could have been an arranger, a producer only.

This is fucking impressive, like all early Prince demos.
Dude sounds like (at least) a ten-years-in-the-business veteran.
He's just nineteen.

There go the Collect'em All® spoiled kids raising eyebrows.
Let the naysayers kiss his ass, m'OKay?

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #51 posted 12/27/18 10:02am

eugenius

I'm skeptical about how much involvement Prince had with this song, but it has a faint, generic AM radio/'70s feel that he'd revert to at the time so it's not unfounded that he had some influence on the composition... in some way.

.

Carter had some involvement with Maurice White and Earth, Wind and Fire, so her circles might have bumped slightly with Prince's world, but has this woman's name ever been uttered with his before the release of this track? It's been almost 40 years and I don't think her name has ever come up in relation to Prince until now, not counting her cover of Crazy You.

.

Valerie Carter just died earlier this year so there's no way to verify this track, but it would be nice to see some sort of concrete evidence of Prince's involvement with this song. Did he write it? Did he play on it? Did he inspire it? Maybe he just happened to be observing the session from the booth. If it's a Prince track, it was one of his early throwaways so there has to be a demo/guide track for it.

.

[Edited for spelling.]

[Edited 12/27/18 10:06am]

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Reply #52 posted 12/27/18 11:22am

4anothertime

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

fairly non-descript BUT always nice to have something new.

Agreed...could be anyone really. It's fine.

I guess heaven really is keeping score...the cosmos are right handed and I am sucker for that right hook.
Reply #53 posted 12/28/18 12:50am

andrewm7

this is really big news! I hope that more detail emerges biggrin
Reply #54 posted 12/28/18 1:35am

databank

bonatoc said:

Graycap23 said:

Awful..........Prince was no where near this track.

I can see why it was lost.


Do like the song then: get.

———

It's fascinating. Sunset Studios that early.
He could have been an arranger, a producer only.

This is fucking impressive, like all early Prince demos.
Dude sounds like (at least) a ten-years-in-the-business veteran.
He's just nineteen.

There go the Collect'em All® spoiled kids raising eyebrows.
Let the naysayers kiss his ass, m'OKay?

It's unclear to me what Prince did exactly:

Co-composed, OK.

Seems to have been there during recording so I guess co-arranger in some capacity?

But does he play on it at all? We only have credits for vocals, bass and drums don't we?

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Reply #55 posted 12/28/18 9:53am

bonatoc

4anothertime said:

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

fairly non-descript BUT always nice to have something new.

Agreed...could be anyone really. It's fine.


Exactly. It's charming.
Prince working his ballad chops, one song at a time.

Data, good luck to be an historian on this.
It's only an endearing trivia.

The Colors R brighter, the Bond is much tighter
No Child's a failure
Until the Blue Sailboat sails him away from his dreams
Don't Ever Lose, Don't Ever Lose
Don't Ever Lose Your Dreams
Reply #56 posted 12/29/18 6:29pm

Militant

moderator

Valerie's version is based on Prince's fully recorded demo, on which he played everything as usual. David and Jeff from Toto were brought in to play on Valerie's version.


By the way, Steve Lukather from Toto mentions meeting Prince at these sessions in his autobiography. He recalled Prince barely speaking a word to anyone else in the studio.



Reply #57 posted 12/29/18 6:58pm

iZsaZsa

Militant said:

Valerie's version is based on Prince's fully recorded demo, on which he played everything as usual. David and Jeff from Toto were brought in to play on Valerie's version.


By the way, Steve Lukather from Toto mentions meeting Prince at these sessions in his autobiography. He recalled Prince barely speaking a word to anyone else in the studio.




That's great.

What?
Reply #58 posted 12/29/18 11:31pm

muchtoofast

Militant said:

Valerie's version is based on Prince's fully recorded demo, on which he played everything as usual. David and Jeff from Toto were brought in to play on Valerie's version. 



By the way, Steve Lukather from Toto mentions meeting Prince at these sessions in his autobiography. He recalled Prince barely speaking a word to anyone else in the studio. 




So you’ve heard the demo?
Reply #59 posted 12/30/18 12:15am

muchtoofast

Pretty song but it is written in an ultra feminine voice so I doubt Prince had anything to do with writing it. And the music is so basic, not Prince’s style at all, it’s bland and indistinguishable from a zillion other songs of that era (I was there).
Reply #60 posted 12/30/18 4:59am

iZsaZsa

muchtoofast said:

written in an ultra feminine voice


What do you mean? There is nothing about lipstick in here. Why can't a man sing this?


When you left me I thought that

I'd never see the sun shine again

Cause you meant the world to me

We were the very best of friends

But I got over it

It might have taken me a while

I got over it

It used to be so hard for me to smile

But now I'm over it

Over it

There were times when I'd break down and cry

Just wishing you were here with me

I was hurting deep inside

Cause I never thought our love

Would just disappear the way it did

But I got over it

It might have taken me a while

I got over it

It used to be so hard for me to smile

But now I'm over it

Over it

I used to get lonely

Cause you weren't around

No one to love

Messed with my mind

I know I can survive

Take me some time

Over it

It's been so hard for me to smile

But I got over it

I know it's taken me a while

Now I'm over it

Over it

Over it

.

[Edited 12/30/18 5:04am]

What?
Reply #61 posted 12/30/18 12:03pm

muchtoofast

Fine lyrics but no mystery, no double entendre, no sex, no huh? moment. But if Militant heard the demo then obviously I’m wrong wrong wrong.
Reply #62 posted 12/30/18 12:28pm

databank

Militant said:

Valerie's version is based on Prince's fully recorded demo, on which he played everything as usual. David and Jeff from Toto were brought in to play on Valerie's version. 



By the way, Steve Lukather from Toto mentions meeting Prince at these sessions in his autobiography. He recalled Prince barely speaking a word to anyone else in the studio. 




I'm not sure I understand, sorry. What you're saying is that everything but bass and drums, on the released version, is Prince? Or that the whole song was rerecorded by session musicians but based on the original demo?
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Reply #63 posted 12/30/18 1:58pm

muchtoofast

I’ve watched TVR video twice now and I’m going to assume Casey did not hear a Prince demo or he would have been SCREAMING about it everywhere in the Purple World, like any sane person would have.

I’ll study Crazy You lyrics and maybe change my mind about this though.

Edit: after just one listen of Crazy You, I’m ready to say Crazy You, compared to this new song, is a masterpiece. I can’t imagine him even being in the same room when this was written.
[Edited 12/30/18 14:06pm]
Reply #64 posted 12/30/18 3:24pm

Militant

moderator

It's never safe to assume anything.



P version exists, and I know what it sounds like. Read into that what you will.



Here's another piece of info - the P version has a drum machine on it, despite being from 77. Possibly a Rhythm Ace. You might recall that Jesse Johnson also mentioned that Prince did the "For You" demos using one of those.




Reply #65 posted 12/30/18 3:31pm

Militant

moderator

databank said:

Militant said:

Valerie's version is based on Prince's fully recorded demo, on which he played everything as usual. David and Jeff from Toto were brought in to play on Valerie's version.


By the way, Steve Lukather from Toto mentions meeting Prince at these sessions in his autobiography. He recalled Prince barely speaking a word to anyone else in the studio.



I'm not sure I understand, sorry. What you're saying is that everything but bass and drums, on the released version, is Prince? Or that the whole song was rerecorded by session musicians but based on the original demo?



Prince recorded a demo. Valerie's version is a re-recording with the Toto guys based on P's demo. With that said there's a possibility it could also be P playing piano on the Valerie version, but lack of documentation on dug up tapes makes it hard to tell. This released version doesn't come from master tapes, but an old cassette mixdown found after Val passed. Prince was present at the sessions the Toto guys played on, and it's potentially him on piano but it can't be proven one way or another.

The Prince demo is a completely different recording.





Reply #66 posted 12/30/18 4:15pm

muchtoofast

Militant said:

It's never safe to assume anything. 





P version exists, and I know what it sounds like. Read into that what you will. 





Here's another piece of info - the P version has a drum machine on it, despite being from 77. Possibly a Rhythm Ace. You might recall that Jesse Johnson also mentioned that Prince did the "For You" demos using one of those. 





So you’ve heard it, I don’t get the coquettish response lol. Someone has the Prince demo so sell the damn thing already!
Reply #67 posted 12/31/18 1:37am

jaawwnn

muchtoofast said:

Pretty song but it is written in an ultra feminine voice so I doubt Prince had anything to do with writing it. And the music is so basic, not Prince’s style at all, it’s bland and indistinguishable from a zillion other songs of that era (I was there).

LOL yeah, no way is this the guy who wrote Miss You and Donna lol

Reply #68 posted 12/31/18 4:36am

Vannormal

On repeat her too. smile

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I love songs fro that era, the soundof it, the softness of it,

the nostalgic feel about it,

Just downloaded some albums of her (1977-1978),

I always loved and will love that era.

-

I read once in some essay about pop music over the past decades that the best pop songs were written around that time.

I couldn't agree more.

-

By the way, she's a discovery. I never heard her, or about her.

Thanks.

-

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #69 posted 12/31/18 4:59am

Vannormal

IstenSzek said:

2freaky4church1 said:

The song is a real dog. We live in a world where people would rather hate on a masterwork like Cosmic Day.


probably the same way people seem to feel about 'coco boys', 'come elektra tuesday',
'adonis & bathsheba', 'emotional pump' etc.

they get excited over having them and then....they forget about them. or at least no
one ever mentions them anymore.

we've been given some absolute stone cold classics the last few years and people here
still talk about that one song they haven't got yet.

as soon as they have it, watch them forget about it and start to drool over another cut
they haven't heard yet.

meanwhile, i'm over here listening to those songs as much as any classic album back
in the day and appreciating them for what they are: stunning.


-

And I absolutely agree !

Aren't we the MOST SPOILED FANS in this world ?

Prince wrote so much, and so much got leaked.

I still enjoy 80% of his work, and work he did for others, and it's till growing and changing.

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I couldn't agree more on the ones always looking for more.

For me, if it stops here, and no more will be released, I will be a happy man whatsoever.

Of course, there's always a warm welcome to newly released or leaked stuff.

I'm not a saint. wink

But for now, I'm capable of enjoying songs that I rediscover - songs known for years.

I can have great joy in relistening to them.

-

As we get older, we appreciate the music we all know very well much more.

Now I can hear things, see and understand things much more (concerning Prince music as well as others).

His passing also made me look and listen different to his music.

thanks to all the great books out there on his life and work also have a huge impact on the way I rediscover his music.

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With those new angles to listen and look at things, life only gets better, music only gets better.

-

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #70 posted 12/31/18 10:07am

luvsexy4all

how is it this song just surfaced.....and immediately someone already has access and heard the demo?

Reply #71 posted 12/31/18 12:04pm

muchtoofast

jaawwnn said:

 



muchtoofast said:


Pretty song but it is written in an ultra feminine voice so I doubt Prince had anything to do with writing it. And the music is so basic, not Prince’s style at all, it’s bland and indistinguishable from a zillion other songs of that era (I was there).

LOL yeah, no way is this the guy who wrote Miss You and Donna  lol



Prince – Donna Lyrics

Donna, pretty as you can be (So pretty)
Oh pretty Donna, when will you ever see (When will you ever see?)
That you belong 2 another man?
And I believe he'll try 2 keep you anyway he can
Donna, I guess it's not meant 2 be

Donna, pretty as you can be
Donna, when will you ever see (When will you ever see? [x2])
That you belong 2 another man?
And I think he will try 2 keep you anyway he can
Donna, I guess it's not meant 2..
Donna, I guess it's not meant 2..
Donna, I guess it's not meant 2 be

Donna [x2]

Last time

I don’t see any similarities in the writing style but I don’t think I’ve ever heard Donna so I can’t compare them yet.

I just heard Miss You for the first time in my life and THANK YOU for the introduction.
[Edited 12/31/18 12:49pm]
Reply #72 posted 12/31/18 12:15pm

muchtoofast

luvsexy4all said:

how is it this song just surfaced.....and immediately someone already has access and heard the demo?


And why play the PRINCE demo for Casey and not get in touch with Prince family first? Seems random.
Reply #73 posted 01/01/19 3:51am

IstenSzek

muchtoofast said:

luvsexy4all said:

how is it this song just surfaced.....and immediately someone already has access and heard the demo?

And why play the PRINCE demo for Casey and not get in touch with Prince family first? Seems random.


probably a collector has a number of very early prince tracks that they have never shared
and which only a handfull of people have ever heard.

the connection to valerie might not have been known to anyone until the track was put on
her 'lost tapes' album just now.

which could explain why someone that militant knows and has heard uncirculating tracks
from before, also has that song, as if by 'coincidence', and said 'yeah, sure i have that cut
somewhere, i'll let you hear it if you want'.

there's tons of prince music sitting in people's private collections that none of us have any
idea about, i'm sure.

a recording of one of those songs by another artist surfacing would seem the best possible
chance for us to ever get to hear the prince version since the song somehow become a bit
more relevant in the community and people might want to share or sell due to interest.

something like that?

and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
Reply #74 posted 01/01/19 4:17am

Neversin

luvsexy4all said:

how is it this song just surfaced.....and immediately someone already has access and heard the demo?


Because, maybe, the demo has been out for decades and this re-recorded version is new and makes that track relevant to talk about?
There's a shitload of songs not (yet) mentioned or talked about that are "out there"...

Neversin.

O(+>NIИ<+)O

“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

- Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche
Reply #75 posted 01/02/19 6:22am

Rimshottbob

I listened to the song once... now I'm over it.

Vaguely interesting at best.

May or may not have Prince on it...

much like the 94 East recordings, or the For You demos (of songs that were rejected for the album), there's a generic quality to this that makes it get old very quickly.

Makes me realise that a lot of that early material was really subpar, and it's only because you hear Prince performing it, knowing what he would become, that makes them interesting.

This, doesn't really warrant a second listen for me.

Reply #76 posted 01/03/19 2:55am

Vannormal

Rimshottbob said:

I listened to the song once... now I'm over it.

Vaguely interesting at best.

May or may not have Prince on it...

much like the 94 East recordings, or the For You demos (of songs that were rejected for the album), there's a generic quality to this that makes it get old very quickly.

Makes me realise that a lot of that early material was really subpar, and it's only because you hear Prince performing it, knowing what he would become, that makes them interesting.

This, doesn't really warrant a second listen for me.

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Be aware that new found jams will be rare in the nearest future to discover or listen to.

Certainly those from the pre-fame days. Or any collaboration for that matter, like this one.

I think they are valuable to the great puzzle Prince created with his huge catalog of work.

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The estate isn't doing a great job so far, nearly three years after his death.

Bootleggers are very cautious too. So don't expect much.

We already have so much. But whatever we can get (our ears to listen to) is worth it.

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If for instance someone in the Robert Palmer camp could offer us a better copy of the unreleased track Prince gave to him (Lust U Always) for instance,

or any other artist Prince gave self penned tracks to, we would have a nice jams to enjoy, before any new releases are being (postponed or) released and received.

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This early material doesn't sound that old to me. But sure it it dated.

(More than) Most of his 90's & 00's output sounds much more outdated to me. wink

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"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #77 posted 01/03/19 3:42am

BartVanHemelen

Militant said:

Here's another piece of info - the P version has a drum machine on it, despite being from 77.

.

Sly Stone was using drum machines in the early 1970s.

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Reply #78 posted 01/03/19 3:46am

BartVanHemelen

Militant said:

By the way, Steve Lukather from Toto mentions meeting Prince at these sessions in his autobiography. He recalled Prince barely speaking a word to anyone else in the studio.



.

The full quote from his book is in my post on the first page of this thread.

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Reply #79 posted 01/03/19 2:09pm

jaawwnn

BartVanHemelen said:

 



Militant said:


 


Here's another piece of info - the P version has a drum machine on it, despite being from 77.



.


Sly Stone was using drum machines in the early 1970s.


I wonder what kind of drum machine prince was using at that point though. Was it just a composing tool or was he already trying to work up a sound.
Reply #80 posted 01/03/19 2:21pm

Militant

moderator

I am reasonably sure it's a Rhythm Ace.

Reply #81 posted 01/03/19 4:23pm

muchtoofast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6AxpKnSFL8

Here’s a 1967 Rhythm Ace drum machine biggrin
Reply #82 posted 01/04/19 6:49am

iZsaZsa

She is reminding me of Minnie Ripperton. I'm not over it yet. music

What?
Reply #83 posted 01/04/19 7:23am

Cinny

Militant said:

I am reasonably sure it's a Rhythm Ace.


You are absolutely right.

Reply #84 posted 01/04/19 7:24am

Cinny

BartVanHemelen said:

Militant said:

Here's another piece of info - the P version has a drum machine on it, despite being from 77.

.

Sly Stone was using drum machines in the early 1970s.


I think he was referring to the use of a drum machine in Prince's 1970s recordings, not all of music's history. smile

Reply #85 posted 01/04/19 3:38pm

jjam

Cinny said:

Militant said:

I am reasonably sure it's a Rhythm Ace.


You are absolutely right.

Which one though? About 20 versions of the Rhythm Ace were manufactured.

Reply #86 posted 01/04/19 11:15pm

databank

Militant said:

 



databank said:


Militant said:

Valerie's version is based on Prince's fully recorded demo, on which he played everything as usual. David and Jeff from Toto were brought in to play on Valerie's version. 



By the way, Steve Lukather from Toto mentions meeting Prince at these sessions in his autobiography. He recalled Prince barely speaking a word to anyone else in the studio. 





I'm not sure I understand, sorry. What you're saying is that everything but bass and drums, on the released version, is Prince? Or that the whole song was rerecorded by session musicians but based on the original demo?




Prince recorded a demo. Valerie's version is a re-recording with the Toto guys based on P's demo. With that said there's a possibility it could also be P playing piano on the Valerie version, but lack of documentation on dug up tapes makes it hard to tell. This released version doesn't come from master tapes, but an old cassette mixdown found after Val passed. Prince was present at the sessions the Toto guys played on, and it's potentially him on piano but it can't be proven one way or another. 

The Prince demo is a completely different recording. 






Thx for clarifying smile
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Reply #87 posted 01/09/19 9:10am

Cinny

jjam said:

Cinny said:


You are absolutely right.

Which one though? About 20 versions of the Rhythm Ace were manufactured.


Jesse Johnson would remember if it was a floor model or whatever.

Reply #88 posted 01/11/19 7:45am

Graycap23

Like I said.........I know a Prince joint.......when I hear it.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
Reply #89 posted 01/11/19 3:20pm

databank

Graycap23 said:

Like I said.........I know a Prince joint.......when I hear it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_negationism

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Reply #90 posted 01/12/19 10:27am

luvsexy4all

Neversin said:

luvsexy4all said:

how is it this song just surfaced.....and immediately someone already has access and heard the demo?


Because, maybe, the demo has been out for decades and this re-recorded version is new and makes that track relevant to talk about?
There's a shitload of songs not (yet) mentioned or talked about that are "out there"...

Neversin.

can u verify that Prince drove around listening to Broken when it came out???

Reply #91 posted 02/04/19 1:34pm

lollipop2

yello1 said:


It's called "I Got Over It" and it appears in the new compilation "The Lost Tapes" by Valerie Carter ...

Thanks once more to PrinceVault.com for the information:


http://princevault.com/in...ot_Over_It


https://www.youtube.com/w...Y5U8w4WYYE


(Thread title amended for accuracy - l'ange bleu moderator)

yetp, there are a lot of LOST TAPES out there.....given or stolen

URL: https://prince.org/msg/7/457649/-I-Got-Over-It-lost-song-by-Prince-and-Valerie-Carter-from-1977-Out-Now

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