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Ava Duvernay Working on Prince Documentary for Netflix

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Producer/director Ava Duvernay is working with Netflix on a Prince documentary, two sources have confirmed to Variety. The project has the full cooperation of the late artist’s estate, which is providing with interviews, archival footage and photos. The multiple-part documentary will cover the artist’s entire life.

While renowned for her work on Selma, Queen Sugar and others, Duvernay made her big-screen debut in 2008 with This Is the Life, which chronicled the alternative hip-hop scene in Los Angeles in the 1990s.

A source also said that a documentary about Prince and the Revolution’s legendary concert at Minneapolis’ First Avenue in August of 1983 has landed at Apple Music. The show featured the premieres of several songs that would appear on the Purple Rain album and film nearly a year later, and in fact the album versions of three of those songs were recorded at the show (albeit with overdubs added later). The concert marked the debut of guitarist Wendy Melvoin and the Purple Rain-era incarnation of the Revolution.

Video and audio recordings from the concert and its rehearsals have been circulating on bootleg for many years, and feature a longer take of "Purple Rain" with an additional, seemingly ad-libbed verse that was dropped from the official version. Another song from the concert, “Electric Intercourse,” was originally mooted for the album but was replaced by the similar but superior song, “The Beautiful Ones.” A studio version of “Electric Intercourse” was finally released on the Purple Rain deluxe edition in 2017, although many fans consider the live version to be better.

Reps for the Prince Estate, Apple Music and Netflix did not immediately respond to Variety’s requests for comment.

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Reply #1 posted 10/29/18 8:39pm

Graciegirl719

YES. FINALLY. I've been waiting for a legit doc.

Reply #2 posted 10/29/18 8:41pm

charismatic

This is gonna be good!
Reply #3 posted 10/29/18 8:50pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame



I am excited about this documentary!

This is something that has been in the works for awhile as someone from the Estate posted about the Netflix documentary on the org then deleted the comment. biggrin

Reply #4 posted 10/29/18 9:00pm

purplethunder3121

hammer excited

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
Reply #5 posted 10/29/18 9:26pm

luv2tha99s

This could be amazing! Cleaned up video and sound! Waahoo!
Reply #6 posted 10/29/18 9:48pm

Germanegro

Nice. I loved the soundtrack to her film of "A Wrinkle In Time." Don't eff-up this documentary Ms. Duvernay--you have a greater chance toward this project for lots more people to look up to you!

razz

Reply #7 posted 10/29/18 10:32pm

kewlschool

eek This sounds cool. Looking forward to it. Since all the current ones seem a bit tabloid/lame.

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Reply #8 posted 10/30/18 1:18am

rogifan

Wasnt there a rumor of some big project Troy was working on? Is this Netflix documentary it? I’m surprised Apple Music is doing something Prince related. When his music came to streaming they did absolutely nothing to promote it unlike Spotify which had promos and billboards all over the place.
[Edited 10/30/18 1:20am]
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Reply #9 posted 10/30/18 2:23am

leecaldon

Sounds like something to look forward to.

Reply #10 posted 10/30/18 2:26am

BlueShakooo

Great news!
"Don't get too serious, it's just a dream."
Reply #11 posted 10/30/18 3:35am

PURPLEIZED3121

both should be great but nothing new I suspect. snip -o4f$

Reply #12 posted 10/30/18 3:40am

OperatingThetan

The documentary sounds promising, particularly as it has multiple parts with the opportunity to cover Prince's ENTIRE career.

Obviously, I'm interested in the '83 concert, but am a little tired with the focus on 83-84 at the moment. But what more can be expected of corporate whores?
Reply #13 posted 10/30/18 4:42am

PennyPurple

Yay! Can't wait to see it!

Reply #14 posted 10/30/18 6:03am

jdcxc

Amazing choice.

The Fanbase needs to reach out to her with some vital video suggestions.

Hopefully, there will be a limited theatrical release!
Reply #15 posted 10/30/18 6:58am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

OperatingThetan said:

The documentary sounds promising, particularly as it has multiple parts with the opportunity to cover Prince's ENTIRE career. Obviously, I'm interested in the '83 concert, but am a little tired with the focus on 83-84 at the moment. But what more can be expected of corporate whores?

since they've only released 4 pieces, it doesn't seem much like a 'focus'

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1. the Hits set ranging his whole career(WB? only)

2. the PR deluxe

3. the 1983 piano set

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so not much really as far as music is concerned, no video of anything

.

I guess we can add the photo books which are wonderful that range

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Duane Tudah : Prince & the Purple Rain era Studio Sessions

(side note, nothing has stopped anyone else from doing studio sessions books on the 1997-1999/2000 period ya know?)

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PRINCE Pre Frame by photographer Robert Whitman

PRINCE: Before the Rain" by Allen Beaulieu1980-1983
Picturing Prince: An Intimate Portrait by Steve Parke (mostly 1990s)

Prince: A Private view by Afshin Shahidi which ranges 2000/01-2005(or 2009)

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Jay Z and the other people have access to the post WB material right?

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But it is sensible on a larger scale to get stuff PR related out. The 1983 Dance Benefit show should have been released the same year as the PR deluxe, on DVD/CD-booklet set, released on 8.13.2017, needs to be released very soon.

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So far I'm enjoying what I have and I have all the above

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Reply #16 posted 10/30/18 7:06am

OnlyNDaUsa

Engadget.com has a write up and they link to the org and quote OldFriends4Sal ....lol you're famous...almost.


https://www.engadget.com/2018/10/30/netflix-ava-duvernay-prince-documentary/
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Reply #17 posted 10/30/18 7:16am

OldFriends4Sale

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Engadget.com has a write up and they link to the org and quote OldFriends4Sal ....lol you're famous...almost. https://www.engadget.com/...cumentary/ [Edited 10/30/18 7:12am]

Yikes, where did I say that? Must be from the Dance Benefit 1983 era thread or something

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Reply #18 posted 10/30/18 7:17am

PennyPurple

OldFriends4Sale said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Engadget.com has a write up and they link to the org and quote OldFriends4Sal ....lol you're famous...almost. https://www.engadget.com/...cumentary/ [Edited 10/30/18 7:12am]

Yikes, where did I say that? Must be from the Dance Benefit 1983 era thread or something

You need to ask for a correction, they have your named spelled wrong. biggrin

Reply #19 posted 10/30/18 7:30am

paulludvig

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

both should be great but nothing new I suspect. snip -o4f$ 





snip -o4f$
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Reply #20 posted 10/30/18 7:31am

onlyforaminute

Why so much concentration on just a tiny portion of his 39 year career?
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Reply #21 posted 10/30/18 7:36am

TwiliteKid

rogifan said:

Wasnt there a rumor of some big project Troy was working on? Is this Netflix documentary it? I’m surprised Apple Music is doing something Prince related. When his music came to streaming they did absolutely nothing to promote it unlike Spotify which had promos and billboards all over the place. [Edited 10/30/18 1:20am]

So what? Spotify tends to spend big bucks on advertisting. That somehow means Apple Music isn't interested?

Reply #22 posted 10/30/18 7:38am

TwiliteKid

onlyforaminute said:

Why so much concentration on just a tiny portion of his 39 year career?

Because it was his critical/commerical/creative peak and the one that casual fans are most interested in?

Reply #23 posted 10/30/18 7:48am

AnnaSantana

onlyforaminute said:

Why so much concentration on just a tiny portion of his 39 year career?


What are you talking about? The article says the doc is going to cover his entire career.
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Reply #24 posted 10/30/18 8:22am

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

PennyPurple said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yikes, where did I say that? Must be from the Dance Benefit 1983 era thread or something

You need to ask for a correction, they have your named spelled wrong. biggrin

falloff

OldFriends4Sal

Reply #25 posted 10/30/18 8:57am

RodeoSchro

In addition to interviews, archival footage and photos, she gets access to the vault, too:

As part of the development of the film, the estate has granted the ARRAY founder full access to the vast treasure trove of archives recordings and perhaps most immediately important to Prince’s global fanbase, the unreleased material by the prolific musician.

https://deadline.com/2018...202491910/

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Reply #26 posted 10/30/18 9:03am

jaawwnn

PURPLEIZED3121 said:

both should be great but nothing new I suspect. snip -of4$

tsk

rolleyes rolleyes

Reply #27 posted 10/30/18 10:06am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

PennyPurple said:

You need to ask for a correction, they have your named spelled wrong. biggrin

falloff

OldFriends4Sal

a org friend always calls me Sal for some reason lol

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Reply #28 posted 10/30/18 10:07am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

AnnaSantana said:

onlyforaminute said:
Why so much concentration on just a tiny portion of his 39 year career?
What are you talking about? The article says the doc is going to cover his entire career.

might be refering to the 2nd part of the article about the August 1983 Dance Benefit Show @ First Avenue

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Reply #29 posted 10/30/18 10:08am

OldFriends4Sale

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PURPLEIZED3121 said:

both should be great but nothing new I suspect. snip -of4$

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Reply #30 posted 10/30/18 10:10am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

onlyforaminute said:

Why so much concentration on just a tiny portion of his 39 year career?

the Documentary is about his whole career

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Reply #31 posted 10/30/18 10:24am

ChocolateBox3121

I went to a few screenings of Ava Duvernay's projects and THIS is the BEST person to handle a Prince documentary. Her film 13th that explored the intersection of race,justice and MASS incarceration is a MUST see. ALL her projects are very well done. It's time for a woman of color to do it right this time. Also the estate is behind her. I'm looking forward to it.

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“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
Reply #32 posted 10/30/18 10:35am

PliablyPurple

I think that you could make a documentary on Another Lonely Christmas alone, but I sure hope it gets covered in this doc. I dunno, I kind of geek out over shit like this, but that fact that P only played it live one time and that he played it the day after Christmas? Lucky sob's. Not getting into whether or not I think it was his best rendition of the joint.

In my opinion, the greatest gift P ever gave his fans was that night. Hope people who were in attendance that night cherish what they witnessed.

Reply #33 posted 10/30/18 10:59am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

RodeoSchro said:

In addition to interviews, archival footage and photos, she gets access to the vault, too:

As part of the development of the film, the estate has granted the ARRAY founder full access to the vast treasure trove of archives recordings and perhaps most immediately important to Prince’s global fanbase, the unreleased material by the prolific musician.

https://deadline.com/2018...202491910/

hmmm

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Reply #34 posted 10/30/18 12:30pm

Giovanni777

Sticky Time?

"He's a musician's musician..."
Reply #35 posted 10/30/18 12:33pm

onlyforaminute

OldFriends4Sale said:

onlyforaminute said:

Why so much concentration on just a tiny portion of his 39 year career?

the Documentary is about his whole career



Ok, I hope so though at this point I've lost a lot of enthusiam in the what's coming announcements. It's a sad thing to live 57 years and have people only concentrate on 2 or 3 of them with great intensity all the time. I've never said this in all these 2+ years but I think I can say it with confidence, that damn well sure isn't what Prince would have wanted. No one would.

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Reply #36 posted 10/30/18 1:33pm

HatrinaHaterwitz

Awesome. Wonderful. Great news. Can't wait to see it. The important question is what are we looking at as timeframe for the release? Seeing as it's for Netflix, hoping for a 2019 release isn't too far fetched, is it?

Here's what bothers ME:

Prince died of an overdose of the drug Fentanyl. Of which, it is very highly fucking likely that he never even knew he'd taken.
Reply #37 posted 10/30/18 3:04pm

dodger

Going by Kevin Smith’s tweet some of his footage could be included...

https://twitter.com/thatkevinsmith/status/1057328589123674112?s=21
Reply #38 posted 10/30/18 3:18pm

42Kristen

deal

Reply #39 posted 10/30/18 3:25pm

luvsexy4all

dodger said:

Going by Kevin Smith’s tweet some of his footage could be included... https://twitter.com/thatk...74112?s=21

FINALLY>>>>>>

Reply #40 posted 10/30/18 4:11pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

onlyforaminute said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

the Documentary is about his whole career



Ok, I hope so though at this point I've lost a lot of enthusiam in the what's coming announcements. It's a sad thing to live 57 years and have people only concentrate on 2 or 3 of them with great intensity all the time. I've never said this in all these 2+ years but I think I can say it with confidence, that damn well sure isn't what Prince would have wanted. No one would.

Wellllll we also have to think and remember, that if it was left up to Prince, none of it would be discussed or documented. Let's keep that real. "I don't know why people always have to look back, celebrate anniversaries etc" paraphrasing Prince

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Reply #41 posted 10/30/18 5:05pm

databank

Well, as long as it's not 90% 1978-1990 and 10% 1991-2016, as most those docs are, I'll welcome it.However I doubt there will be much to learn in it for us hardcore fans, and if there's unreleased live footage it's sadly likely to just be a few short snippets. So it's cool for the legacy aèd casual fans, but I can't say I'm super excited about it...

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Reply #42 posted 10/30/18 9:01pm

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame

dodger said:

Going by Kevin Smith’s tweet some of his footage could be included... https://twitter.com/thatk...74112?s=21



eek eek

I hope the footage is not used if it is too far out in left field.

Kevin is saying it is the only non-performance footage of P never seen in The Vault.

Reply #43 posted 10/30/18 11:30pm

mikeyaddict

I really hope with the dance benefit we get the show in its entirety and not just a documentary. It would be a kick in the nuts to know they had access to it in near pristine quality and then we only see snippets as part of a doc!
Comin str8 outta Preston...
Reply #44 posted 10/31/18 2:39am

BartVanHemelen

onlyforaminute said:

It's a sad thing to live 57 years and have people only concentrate on 2 or 3 of them with great intensity all the time.

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"Why don't these people focus on the years of his career where nobody bought his music and Prince himself didn't bother promote it?" Ghee, I wonder why.

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I've never said this in all these 2+ years but I think I can say it with confidence, that damn well sure isn't what Prince would have wanted.

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Prince had plenty of time to collaborate with documentary makers or put out his own. He didn't. He obfuscated and embargoed and sabotaged. He basically forfeited his chances.

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Then again, your whole complaint is about a documentary that hasn't been released (or even made) but that you've accused of doing something that is denied by the flimsy information available right now.

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Reply #45 posted 10/31/18 2:41am

BartVanHemelen

mikeyaddict said:

It would be a kick in the nuts to know they had access to it in near pristine quality

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Who says they have?

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Reply #46 posted 10/31/18 4:33am

Vannormal

BartVanHemelen said:

onlyforaminute said:

It's a sad thing to live 57 years and have people only concentrate on 2 or 3 of them with great intensity all the time.

.

"Why don't these people focus on the years of his career where nobody bought his music and Prince himself didn't bother promote it?" Ghee, I wonder why.

.

I've never said this in all these 2+ years but I think I can say it with confidence, that damn well sure isn't what Prince would have wanted.

.

Prince had plenty of time to collaborate with documentary makers or put out his own. He didn't. He obfuscated and embargoed and sabotaged. He basically forfeited his chances.

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Then again, your whole complaint is about a documentary that hasn't been released (or even made) but that you've accused of doing something that is denied by the flimsy information available right now.

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Since 30 years I'm barely excited about (too early) announced new projects, UNTIL they are 'released' and 'available' (or viewable in this case).

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Like Bart says... and to be honest, I'm not convinced that this will be made/ or even finalised.

(imho : I might be worng though)

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Soon there won't be all that much interest in Prince's (life)story anymore.

I hope i'm wrong. But for instance, all my young colleages (23-30 yo) never heard of Prince.

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Like I said, better wait until it's 'available to see', and THEN talk about details.

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"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #47 posted 10/31/18 5:14am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

BartVanHemelen said:

onlyforaminute said:

It's a sad thing to live 57 years and have people only concentrate on 2 or 3 of them with great intensity all the time.

.

"Why don't these people focus on the years of his career where nobody bought his music and Prince himself didn't bother promote it?" Ghee, I wonder why.

.

I've never said this in all these 2+ years but I think I can say it with confidence, that damn well sure isn't what Prince would have wanted.

.

Prince had plenty of time to collaborate with documentary makers or put out his own. He didn't. He obfuscated and embargoed and sabotaged. He basically forfeited his chances.

.

Then again, your whole complaint is about a documentary that hasn't been released (or even made) but that you've accused of doing something that is denied by the flimsy information available right now.

I'm thinking there might be people who don't realize this stuff, but know how Prince would have done it...

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Reply #48 posted 10/31/18 6:48am

DarkKnight1

Im on board. This is exactly the platform and person to take on such a project. Fantastic news.

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Reply #49 posted 10/31/18 7:56am

andrewm7

luvsexy4all said:

 



dodger said:


Going by Kevin Smith’s tweet some of his footage could be included... https://twitter.com/thatkevinsmith/status/1057328589123674112?s=21

FINALLY>>>>>>


I am really looking forward to seeing this movie wink
Reply #50 posted 10/31/18 8:13am

onlyforaminute

BartVanHemelen said:

 



onlyforaminute said:


 


It's a sad thing to live 57 years and have people only concentrate on 2 or 3 of them with great intensity all the time. 



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"Why don't these people focus on the years of his career where nobody bought his music and Prince himself didn't bother promote it?" Ghee, I wonder why.


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I've never said this in all these 2+ years but I think I can say it with confidence, that damn well sure isn't what Prince would have wanted.  



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Prince had plenty of time to collaborate with documentary makers or put out his own. He didn't. He obfuscated and embargoed and sabotaged. He basically forfeited his chances.


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Then again, your whole complaint is about a documentary that hasn't been released (or even made) but that you've accused of doing something that is denied by the flimsy information available right now.




Hey I got one. Woohoo

That's true about so many otherz but nobody just focuses on a tiny portion of anybody's life just because it's the favored. I'd like to see more myself instead of the same stuff that's already been documented a dozen times. I would like something we don't know, outside of that it's another money grab going after the lowest hanging fruit in a long line of money grabs. I'm a Prince fan because I wasn't sold the exact same thing over and over again. It was different not safe and comfortable. Which in truth is what's been going on right now. Truth, I'm complaining because this is the same person who is supposed to be bringing a series based on one of my favorite authors series and it somehow seems to have evaporated now there's something on one of my favorite people. I'm very sceptical about what's going on.
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Reply #51 posted 10/31/18 8:30am

violetcrush

onlyforaminute said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Prince had plenty of time to collaborate with documentary makers or put out his own. He didn't. He obfuscated and embargoed and sabotaged. He basically forfeited his chances.

.

Then again, your whole complaint is about a documentary that hasn't been released (or even made) but that you've accused of doing something that is denied by the flimsy information available right now.

Hey I got one. Woohoo That's true about so many otherz but nobody just focuses on a tiny portion of anybody's life just because it's the favored. I'd like to see more myself instead of the same stuff that's already been documented a dozen times. I would like something we don't know, outside of that it's another money grab going after the lowest hanging fruit in a long line of money grabs. I'm a Prince fan because I wasn't sold the exact same thing over and over again. It was different not safe and comfortable. Which in truth is what's been going on right now. Truth, I'm complaining because this is the same person who is supposed to be bringing a series based on one of my favorite authors series and it somehow seems to have evaporated now there's something on one of my favorite people. I'm very sceptical about what's going on.

If the documentary is truly going to cover the full extent of his life and career then it stands to reason that the years beyond the 80's will be included as well. Every period of his life and career is interesting and fascinating for different reasons, especially the '92-'96 years with the WB conflict.

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For those of younger generations the information and footage of the events leading up to and during his most successful period are important, as they will allow a better understanding of his talent, drive, and the reasons for his longevity in the business and why he became an icon.

Reply #52 posted 10/31/18 8:36am

ChocolateBox3121

I just saw "Bohemian Rhapsody" the Freddy Mecury biopic last night. It was BRILLIANTLY done.

I hope one day I live to see someone portray Prince in this way in respect of his legacy.

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Reply #53 posted 10/31/18 8:49am

BartVanHemelen

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I just saw "Bohemian Rhapsody" the Freddy Mecury biopic last night. It was BRILLIANTLY done.

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It really isn't. It is a whitewash of Mercury's life, for instance focusing at length on his straight marriage while ignoring his gay life etc. Not showing his debauched parties (including for instance dwarves carrying coke-filled trays on their head) is ridiculous. Etc. It's yet another episode of May & Taylor desperately trying to keep the Queen brand alive despite Freddie being dead longer than he was part of the band(!).

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Reply #54 posted 10/31/18 9:02am

jdcxc

BartVanHemelen said:

 



ChocolateBox3121 said:


I just saw "Bohemian Rhapsody" the Freddy Mecury biopic last night. It was BRILLIANTLY done.



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It really isn't. It is a whitewash of Mercury's life, for instance focusing at length on his straight marriage while ignoring his gay life etc. Not showing his debauched parties (including for instance dwarves carrying coke-filled trays on their head) is ridiculous. Etc. It's yet another episode of May & Taylor desperately trying to keep the Queen brand alive despite Freddie being dead longer than he was part of the band(!).



Looks Disneyfied...and bad reviews. How can a Freddy Mercury rock movie be PG?

Hollywood, don’t do this to Prince!
Reply #55 posted 10/31/18 9:11am

DarkKnight1

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I just saw "Bohemian Rhapsody" the Freddy Mecury biopic last night. It was BRILLIANTLY done.

I hope one day I live to see someone portray Prince in this way in respect of his legacy.

It was terrifyingly bad.

(Insert something clever here)
Reply #56 posted 10/31/18 10:09am

onlyforaminute

violetcrush said:

onlyforaminute said:

BartVanHemelen said: Hey I got one. Woohoo That's true about so many otherz but nobody just focuses on a tiny portion of anybody's life just because it's the favored. I'd like to see more myself instead of the same stuff that's already been documented a dozen times. I would like something we don't know, outside of that it's another money grab going after the lowest hanging fruit in a long line of money grabs. I'm a Prince fan because I wasn't sold the exact same thing over and over again. It was different not safe and comfortable. Which in truth is what's been going on right now. Truth, I'm complaining because this is the same person who is supposed to be bringing a series based on one of my favorite authors series and it somehow seems to have evaporated now there's something on one of my favorite people. I'm very sceptical about what's going on.

If the documentary is truly going to cover the full extent of his life and career then it stands to reason that the years beyond the 80's will be included as well. Every period of his life and career is interesting and fascinating for different reasons, especially the '92-'96 years with the WB conflict.

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For those of younger generations the information and footage of the events leading up to and during his most successful period are important, as they will allow a better understanding of his talent, drive, and the reasons for his longevity in the business and why he became an icon.



I really hope it's a labor of love and not a quick money maker catering to the basic stuff. That's all that's bugging me right now.

Year of Return 2019
Reply #57 posted 10/31/18 11:01am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Can we get back to talking about the documentary and possibility of what could happen if they do something with the 1983 Dance Benefit show?

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Reply #58 posted 10/31/18 11:08am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

onlyforaminute said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Can we get back to talking about the documentary and possibility of what could happen if they do something with the 1983 Dance Benefit show?

I'll wait until there's something more officially substantial. Like when.

Exactly

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
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Reply #59 posted 10/31/18 11:19am

paulludvig

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



onlyforaminute said:


 



OldFriends4Sale said:


 


Can we get back to talking about the documentary and possibility of what could happen if they do something with the 1983 Dance Benefit show?


 


 



I'll wait until there's something more officially substantial.  Like when.



 


Exactly



The 83 Dance Benefit show could be released without embellishments. It is important enough in itself, and Prince put in a great performance. If videoes of rehearsals for this specific show exist, then that would be cool as well. Always fun to hear Prince directing the band.
More exited about the documentary though aa it will cover his entire career and possibly include unseen material.
The wooh is on the one!
Reply #60 posted 10/31/18 11:33am

violetcrush

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Exactly

The 83 Dance Benefit show could be released without embellishments. It is important enough in itself, and Prince put in a great performance. If videoes of rehearsals for this specific show exist, then that would be cool as well. Always fun to hear Prince directing the band. More exited about the documentary though aa it will cover his entire career and possibly include unseen material.

How is the band, who were actually there during rehearsals, conversations, ideas, and the actual performance, speaking about their memories of that show any kind of "embellishment"?? This implies that you think the band members will intentionally exaggerate and/or add details which are false, which is quite unfair to all of them. They were there - we were not there.

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I personally loved the interviews with the band, managers, and director on the Purple Rain 20th Anniversary DVD. It provided so much more information, and there is no reason to believe that anyone who contributed was embellishing or lying about the experience.

Reply #61 posted 10/31/18 11:46am

ChocolateBox3121

BartVanHemelen said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I just saw "Bohemian Rhapsody" the Freddy Mecury biopic last night. It was BRILLIANTLY done.

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It really isn't. It is a whitewash of Mercury's life, for instance focusing at length on his straight marriage while ignoring his gay life etc. Not showing his debauched parties (including for instance dwarves carrying coke-filled trays on their head) is ridiculous. Etc. It's yet another episode of May & Taylor desperately trying to keep the Queen brand alive despite Freddie being dead longer than he was part of the band(!).

"Straight" marriage?! That woman knew what was going on with him before he did. He wasn't even faithful to her. The movie alluded MANY times his attraction for the same sex during the marriage. Without the graphic sex scenes. Is that what U wanted to see? Sounds more like your fantasy than mine. lol

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
Reply #62 posted 10/31/18 11:51am

skywalker

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I just saw "Bohemian Rhapsody" the Freddy Mecury biopic last night. It was BRILLIANTLY done.

I hope one day I live to see someone portray Prince in this way in respect of his legacy.

I don't want a biopic. Here's why: Prince recorded literally EVERY aspect/moment of his professional career. You don't need to re-create it with an actor "trying" to be Prince. You have the footage of the actual man. Documentary is THE way to go.

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Example: Which is a better film about Muhammed Ali? Ali starring Will Smith? When We Were Kings, starring Muhammad Ali? Catch my drift?

"New Power slide...."
Reply #63 posted 10/31/18 11:54am

violetcrush

skywalker said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I just saw "Bohemian Rhapsody" the Freddy Mecury biopic last night. It was BRILLIANTLY done.

I hope one day I live to see someone portray Prince in this way in respect of his legacy.

I don't want a biopic. Here's why: Prince recorded literally EVERY aspect/moment of his professional career. You don't need to re-create it with an actor "trying" to be Prince. You have the footage of the actual man. Documentary is THE way to go.

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Example: Which is a better film about Muhammed Ali? Ali starring Will Smith? When We Were Kings, starring Muhammad Ali? Catch my drift?

Agreed. There is enough video footage of Prince. He filmed and photographed just about everything he did. Also, NO ONE can do Prince, but Prince himself. He was too multi-faceted and unique for any actor or performer to realistically replicate.

Reply #64 posted 10/31/18 12:00pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

violetcrush said:

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said: The 83 Dance Benefit show could be released without embellishments. It is important enough in itself, and Prince put in a great performance. If videoes of rehearsals for this specific show exist, then that would be cool as well. Always fun to hear Prince directing the band. More exited about the documentary though aa it will cover his entire career and possibly include unseen material.

How is the band, who were actually there during rehearsals, conversations, ideas, and the actual performance, speaking about their memories of that show any kind of "embellishment"?? This implies that you think the band members will intentionally exaggerate and/or add details which are false, which is quite unfair to all of them. They were there - we were not there.

*

I personally loved the interviews with the band, managers, and director on the Purple Rain 20th Anniversary DVD. It provided so much more information, and there is no reason to believe that anyone who contributed was embellishing or lying about the experience.

I like David Z's part in the background show recording and Roy Bennetts stage lighting information

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #65 posted 10/31/18 12:03pm

violetcrush

OldFriends4Sale said:

violetcrush said:

How is the band, who were actually there during rehearsals, conversations, ideas, and the actual performance, speaking about their memories of that show any kind of "embellishment"?? This implies that you think the band members will intentionally exaggerate and/or add details which are false, which is quite unfair to all of them. They were there - we were not there.

*

I personally loved the interviews with the band, managers, and director on the Purple Rain 20th Anniversary DVD. It provided so much more information, and there is no reason to believe that anyone who contributed was embellishing or lying about the experience.

I like David Z's part in the background show recording and Roy Bennetts stage lighting information

Yes!! Two guys who were there from the start....

Reply #66 posted 10/31/18 12:03pm

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

skywalker said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I just saw "Bohemian Rhapsody" the Freddy Mecury biopic last night. It was BRILLIANTLY done.

I hope one day I live to see someone portray Prince in this way in respect of his legacy.

I don't want a biopic. Here's why: Prince recorded literally EVERY aspect/moment of his professional career. You don't need to re-create it with an actor "trying" to be Prince. You have the footage of the actual man. Documentary is THE way to go.

-

Example: Which is a better film about Muhammed Ali? Ali starring Will Smith? When We Were Kings, starring Muhammad Ali? Catch my drift?

I was thinking the same thing.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #67 posted 10/31/18 12:16pm

ChocolateBox3121

skywalker said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I just saw "Bohemian Rhapsody" the Freddy Mecury biopic last night. It was BRILLIANTLY done.

I hope one day I live to see someone portray Prince in this way in respect of his legacy.

I don't want a biopic. Here's why: Prince recorded literally EVERY aspect/moment of his professional career. You don't need to re-create it with an actor "trying" to be Prince. You have the footage of the actual man. Documentary is THE way to go.

-

Example: Which is a better film about Muhammed Ali? Ali starring Will Smith? When We Were Kings, starring Muhammad Ali? Catch my drift?

GREAT example! I'll accept that.

Except for the Will Smith quote. I worked in "Ali" starring Will Smith and experienced him up,close, & personal. He put his heart & soul in that movie. Also is one of the BEST actors in his generation!

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
Reply #68 posted 10/31/18 3:34pm

luvsexy4all

mikeyaddict said:

I really hope with the dance benefit we get the show in its entirety and not just a documentary. It would be a kick in the nuts to know they had access to it in near pristine quality and then we only see snippets as part of a doc!

leggers have the 105 minute version

Reply #69 posted 10/31/18 4:51pm

Ugot2shakesumthin

I’m glad it’s a multi-part documentary because every era deserves a full episode.
There is a lot to cover. Socio-political, race, sexuality, masculity and then all the artistic stuff. The creation of his own brand of music.

I think it should be at LEAST FOUR PARTS

1. the rise of a star.
2. Pop life and the creation of all his side projects.
3. His 90’s downfall.
4, And his renaissance in the 2000’s
Reply #70 posted 10/31/18 6:25pm

paulludvig

SNIP
The wooh is on the one!
Reply #71 posted 11/02/18 8:35am

2freaky4church1

The unseen footage must be mind blowing, if they allow it. They have to trust Ava. Six hour doc would be best. lol

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
Reply #72 posted 11/02/18 8:52am

nosajd

This sounds pretty dayum exciting!

Reply #73 posted 11/02/18 8:59am

jdcxc

There should be an informed collective from the fan community (Bart, Militant, Ben, Org, Princevault, etc.) who organizes vital video, music and biographical recommendations for Ava.
Reply #74 posted 11/02/18 9:00am

Guitarhero

jdcxc said:

There should be an informed collective from the fan community (, Militant, Ben, Org, Princevault, etc.) who organizes vital video, music and biographical recommendations for Ava.

Reply #75 posted 11/02/18 9:16am

ChocolateBox3121

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"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
Reply #76 posted 11/02/18 11:21am

yello1

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I've heard its already finished & ready & will be out soon.

This is TRRRRUEE?

Reply #77 posted 11/02/18 12:05pm

TrivialPursuit

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I've heard its already finished & ready & will be out soon.

"soon" is relative, probably. I would think that when word like this comes out that it's closer than further away, but that could still be 4 or 5 months down the road. I can't see it being released and lost in the shuffle during the holiday season. I don't look for it until after the new year, at least. Just a guess.

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Reply #78 posted 11/02/18 1:35pm

ballerinaL

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I've heard its already finished & ready & will be out soon.

Where have you heard this? smile Looking forward to it.

Reply #79 posted 11/03/18 6:10am

milesb

This has the BBC Omnibus doco to live up to. Which has set the bar. Hope it can live up to that standard...

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Reply #80 posted 11/03/18 9:57am

violetcrush

milesb said:

This has the BBC Omnibus doco to live up to. Which has set the bar. Hope it can live up to that standard...

You mean the one called "Prince - A Purple Reign"?? I liked that one as well. It was organized and presented very well. Just wondering how in the world they will document his entire life, plus interviews, plus performance footage....maybe in parts by decade?? Sooooo much information to cover, and if it's done right there should be at least a few hours worth of length to it.

Reply #81 posted 11/03/18 11:48am

Ugot2shakesumthin

violetcrush said:

 



milesb said:


This has the BBC Omnibus doco to live up to.  Which has set the bar.  Hope it can live up to that standard...



 


You mean the one called "Prince - A Purple Reign"??  I liked that one as well.  It was organized and presented very well.  Just wondering how in the world they will document his entire life, plus interviews, plus performance footage....maybe in parts by decade??  Sooooo much information to cover, and if it's done right there should be at least a few hours worth of length to it.



So much music and performances and interesting details about his life. His effect on music, the music industry, sexuality, being able to be a sex symbol as a short man who wore effeminate attire. The beautiful and talented people he worked worked and associated with. His look. His symbol.

There is soooo much to cover!
Reply #82 posted 11/03/18 2:08pm

purplethunder3121

milesb said:

This has the BBC Omnibus doco to live up to. Which has set the bar. Hope it can live up to that standard...

Same here... photo-12759.gif

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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
Reply #83 posted 11/03/18 2:16pm

jaawwnn

It's been a while since I seen the BBC Omnibus but I think I recall there was some proper thinking going on in it, actual consideration of the work, not just mindless superlatives about how Prince was everything to everyone all the time.

Netflix have the money to make a series, Prince has the documentation to make a series of serieses, they should go deep.

Reply #84 posted 11/03/18 8:02pm

milesb

The Omnibus documentary is the best Prince documentary so far. It came out around the time Diamonds and Pearls was being released. It went into the man behind the music and included tantalising snips from the Camden 88 aftershow, The Ladder soundcheck, Prince in the studio with Mavis, Diamonds and Pearls tour rehearsals.

The best music documentary series I've ever seen was The Beatles Anthology.

6 part series. If you haven't seen it, it's worth checking out.

If Ava can do something even half as good as that, I'll be happy smile

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Reply #85 posted 11/03/18 8:31pm

purplethunder3121

milesb said:

The Omnibus documentary is the best Prince documentary so far. It came out around the time Diamonds and Pearls was being released. It went into the man behind the music and included tantalising snips from the Camden 88 aftershow, The Ladder soundcheck, Prince in the studio with Mavis, Diamonds and Pearls tour rehearsals.

The best music documentary series I've ever seen was The Beatles Anthology.

6 part series. If you haven't seen it, it's worth checking out.

If Ava can do something even half as good as that, I'll be happy smile

Another great music doc was Rock and Roll--a ten part American-British series from 1995. I liked it so much I bought it from over-seas years ago on DVD... Still have it; gonna have to look at it again! And, yes, The Beatles Anthology was excellent.

"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
Reply #86 posted 11/03/18 11:35pm

milesb

purplethunder3121 said:

milesb said:

The Omnibus documentary is the best Prince documentary so far. It came out around the time Diamonds and Pearls was being released. It went into the man behind the music and included tantalising snips from the Camden 88 aftershow, The Ladder soundcheck, Prince in the studio with Mavis, Diamonds and Pearls tour rehearsals.

The best music documentary series I've ever seen was The Beatles Anthology.

6 part series. If you haven't seen it, it's worth checking out.

If Ava can do something even half as good as that, I'll be happy smile

Another great music doc was Rock and Roll--a ten part American-British series from 1995. I liked it so much I bought it from over-seas years ago on DVD... Still have it; gonna have to look at it again! And, yes, The Beatles Anthology was excellent.

Haven't seen that. Will have to check it out. Thanks for the tip.

My password is what
Reply #87 posted 11/04/18 5:11am

FullLipsDotNose

That sounds so cool smile

Although I have to admit I know little about Duvernay's work. I've only seen the Family Feud video by her, but it was awesome.

full lips, freckles, and upturned nose
Reply #88 posted 11/04/18 6:16am

violetcrush

milesb said:

The Omnibus documentary is the best Prince documentary so far. It came out around the time Diamonds and Pearls was being released. It went into the man behind the music and included tantalising snips from the Camden 88 aftershow, The Ladder soundcheck, Prince in the studio with Mavis, Diamonds and Pearls tour rehearsals.

The best music documentary series I've ever seen was The Beatles Anthology.

6 part series. If you haven't seen it, it's worth checking out.

If Ava can do something even half as good as that, I'll be happy smile

The BBC docu Prince - A Purple Reign, which was released in 2011, uses footage from that Omnibus film. I like the way it's narrated, and it captures key points in his life from the beginning. It's only about an hour long though, so it just scratches the surface of each time period up to 2011.

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How long was the Ominibus film? What is the actual title of the film?

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Here is the YT video for the BBC Prince - A Purple Reign video:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlTwe9LxZ8w&t=566s

Reply #89 posted 11/04/18 6:42am

udo

Why did the Estate choose one network instead of an independent producer?

Now we will not (soon, legally) see this docco.

Not everybody pays for video.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
Reply #90 posted 11/04/18 7:03am

Ugot2shakesumthin

udo said:

Why did the Estate choose one network instead of an independent producer?


Now we will not (soon, legally) see this docco.


Not everybody pays for video.




Netflix is one of the best independent producers of film and documentaries. They bet and put out money on projects no one else would. Thank God for Netflix.

You’ll be able to see it legally, no worries there.
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Reply #91 posted 11/04/18 7:29am

rogifan

I hope it’s good. That new Queen movie is getting horrible reviews.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #92 posted 11/04/18 7:44am

AnnaStesia10

I cannot wait for a Docu-series on Prince. I too would rather see a comprehensive documentary with footage and interviews of Prince and his colleagues & friends than a movie portrayal. I dont feel a movie consisting of 2 to 3 hours of time could do any justice to Prince's full life and musical career.
🎵
I would luv to see a series. I feel 4 separate doc's spanning his life including never before seen footage, pictures and information would be stellar.
🎵
To Ava and all involved: do not hold back and show us everything. We loved and still love Prince. His music and inspiration will be forever part of all of us. And it is time to release a well made documentary on Prince. 💜
"A strong spirit transcends rules." - Prince
Reply #93 posted 11/04/18 8:03am

rdhull

Everybody calm down. This shouldnt be the be all to end all doc. Just like the Rolling Stones, Miles Davis, and Bob Dylan, there will/should be many docs on Prince in the future. Some may focus on a specific era, album, etc etc. This is just one oin a future of many to come. Because just like Dylan et.al, Prince is to complex and his music too vast to capture in one definitive project. (Ken Burns notwithstanding). Good that its with someone of merit for this estate backed one though.

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c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #94 posted 11/04/18 8:13am

Ugot2shakesumthin

rdhull said:

Everybody calm down. This shouldnt be the be all to end all doc. Just like the Rolling Stones and Bob Dylan, their will/should be many docs on Prince in the future. Some may focus na  specifi era, album, etc etc. This is just one of a future of many to come. Because just like Dylan et.al, Prince is to complex and his music too vast to capture in one definitive project. (Ken Burns notwithstnding). Good that its with someone of merit for this estate backed one though. 



Exactly!
We need as many people of his peers of his generation alive today to talk as possible. There are so many things to be said by so many of his peers.
It’s all fodder for future documentaries. The more the better.

And as has been said many times, there is no way ONE documentary or ONE movie or ONE book possibly cover everything.
Reply #95 posted 11/04/18 8:16am

TwiliteKid

rogifan said:

I hope it’s good. That new Queen movie is getting horrible reviews.


You get the difference between documentaries and biographical films, right?
Reply #96 posted 11/04/18 9:22am

TrivialPursuit

rdhull said:

Everybody calm down. This shouldnt be the be all to end all doc.


I think people are just happy to have something aside from some schlock on the Reelz channel. lol lol

This experience will cover courtship, sex, commitment, fetishes, loneliness, vindication, love, and hate.
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Reply #97 posted 11/04/18 10:30am

onlyforaminute

I HEARD, meaning I have no proof, it's been in the works since January. The thing I'm noting is "the Estate " doesn't necessarily mean "the siblings" even though from my understanding they're supposed to have a certain degree of say so. One still doesn't see any promoting of these things on their end. Its confusing. Ava has hits and has misses. She's got right now which is a very positive thing. I have no clue on her track record on projects that are close to her heart vs general assignments. Is Prince close to her heart even? No real answers. Just more rumors .
Year of Return 2019
Reply #98 posted 11/04/18 10:41am

rdhull

onlyforaminute said:

I HEARD, meaning I have no proof, it's been in the works since January. The thing I'm noting is "the Estate " doesn't necessarily mean "the siblings" even though from my understanding they're supposed to have a certain degree of say so. One still doesn't see any promoting of these things on their end. Its confusing. Ava has hits and has misses. She's got right now which is a very positive thing. I have no clue on her track record on projects that are close to her heart vs general assignments. Is Prince close to her heart even? No real answers. Just more rumors .

Yeah, her A Wrinkle In Time was a disaster/flop.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #99 posted 11/04/18 11:19am

rogifan

TwiliteKid said:

rogifan said:

I hope it’s good. That new Queen movie is getting horrible reviews.


You get the difference between documentaries and biographical films, right?

Right, that was just fresh on my mind. Hopefully because it is the former and not the latter it will have a better chance of not sucking.
Paisley Park is in your heart
#PrinceForever 💜
Reply #100 posted 11/04/18 11:22am

Ugot2shakesumthin

rdhull said:

 



onlyforaminute said:


I HEARD, meaning I have no proof, it's been in the works since January. The thing I'm noting is "the Estate " doesn't necessarily mean "the siblings" even though from my understanding they're supposed to have a certain degree of say so. One still doesn't see any promoting of these things on their end. Its confusing. Ava has hits and has misses. She's got right now which is a very positive thing. I have no clue on her track record on projects that are close to her heart vs general assignments. Is Prince close to her heart even? No real answers. Just more rumors .

Yeah, her A Wrinkle In Time was a disaster/flop.



That’s her? I haven’t watched it, but the previews looked so so bad that it turned me off completely. Her visual vocabulary in the previews made me want to throw up.
Reply #101 posted 11/04/18 11:30am

onlyforaminute

rdhull said:

 



onlyforaminute said:


I HEARD, meaning I have no proof, it's been in the works since January. The thing I'm noting is "the Estate " doesn't necessarily mean "the siblings" even though from my understanding they're supposed to have a certain degree of say so. One still doesn't see any promoting of these things on their end. Its confusing. Ava has hits and has misses. She's got right now which is a very positive thing. I have no clue on her track record on projects that are close to her heart vs general assignments. Is Prince close to her heart even? No real answers. Just more rumors .

Yeah, her A Wrinkle In Time was a disaster/flop.




I didn't enjoy storytelling, though most of it was pretty to look at.
Year of Return 2019
Reply #102 posted 11/04/18 12:43pm

damosuzuki

rdhull said:

onlyforaminute said:

I HEARD, meaning I have no proof, it's been in the works since January. The thing I'm noting is "the Estate " doesn't necessarily mean "the siblings" even though from my understanding they're supposed to have a certain degree of say so. One still doesn't see any promoting of these things on their end. Its confusing. Ava has hits and has misses. She's got right now which is a very positive thing. I have no clue on her track record on projects that are close to her heart vs general assignments. Is Prince close to her heart even? No real answers. Just more rumors .

Yeah, her A Wrinkle In Time was a disaster/flop.

true, but her documentary 'the 13th' was hugely acclaimed & was the recipient of many awards & nominations, & that experience might be more relevant to this project than her fantastical disney big budget flop.

the proof of the pudding is in the eating, of course, but i think having her involved is a very good omen that we may get something much, much better than any run of the mill documentary.

Reply #103 posted 11/04/18 1:47pm

jaawwnn

rdhull said:

 



onlyforaminute said:


I HEARD, meaning I have no proof, it's been in the works since January. The thing I'm noting is "the Estate " doesn't necessarily mean "the siblings" even though from my understanding they're supposed to have a certain degree of say so. One still doesn't see any promoting of these things on their end. Its confusing. Ava has hits and has misses. She's got right now which is a very positive thing. I have no clue on her track record on projects that are close to her heart vs general assignments. Is Prince close to her heart even? No real answers. Just more rumors .

Yeah, her A Wrinkle In Time was a disaster/flop.


She could do a doc on Rave then?
Reply #104 posted 11/04/18 1:51pm

rdhull

damosuzuki said:

rdhull said:

Yeah, her A Wrinkle In Time was a disaster/flop.

true, but her documentary 'the 13th' was hugely acclaimed & was the recipient of many awards & nominations, & that experience might be more relevant to this project than her fantastical disney big budget flop.

the proof of the pudding is in the eating, of course, but i think having her involved is a very good omen that we may get something much, much better than any run of the mill documentary.

True

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #105 posted 11/04/18 1:52pm

rdhull

jaawwnn said:

rdhull said:

Yeah, her A Wrinkle In Time was a disaster/flop.

She could do a doc on Rave then?

ha..or C&D/Come

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #106 posted 11/04/18 2:03pm

Moonbeam

This sounds like it could be good. I really liked The 13th.

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
Reply #107 posted 11/04/18 2:08pm

violetcrush

rdhull said:

jaawwnn said:

rdhull said: She could do a doc on Rave then?

ha..or C&D/Come

I love the Come album!!! Just listened to it today. Also love Zannalee, Dinner w/ Delores, and Had U on C&D. There's at least a few songs to love on all of his albums biggrin

Reply #108 posted 11/04/18 2:10pm

rdhull

violetcrush said:

rdhull said:

ha..or C&D/Come

I love the Come album!!! Just listened to it today. Also love Zannalee, Dinner w/ Delores, and Had U on C&D. There's at least a few songs to love on all of his albums biggrin

I know, but come on. They could/should be erased from his repetoire and they wouldnt be missed.

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c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #109 posted 11/04/18 2:23pm

jaawwnn

Naw, they're great albums. Dinner with Delores and Chaos and Disorder get played all the time round my way. Come is, by my reckoning, his strongest 90's album start to finish. Still though, doesn't mean they grabbed the zeitgeist of the time, very much fans only albums.
Reply #110 posted 11/04/18 2:24pm

damosuzuki

rdhull said:

violetcrush said:

I love the Come album!!! Just listened to it today. Also love Zannalee, Dinner w/ Delores, and Had U on C&D. There's at least a few songs to love on all of his albums biggrin

I know, but come on. They could/should be erased from his repetoriee and they wouldnt be missed.

they'd be missed by me!
come is my honest-to-gosh favourite prince album. it doesn't have my favourite prince songs, but as a listen from start to finish, i find it to be among his most complete, satisfying records.

don't love c&d quite so much, but i still like it a lot, with its off-handed, loose feel.

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Reply #111 posted 11/04/18 2:33pm

violetcrush

damosuzuki said:

rdhull said:

I know, but come on. They could/should be erased from his repetoriee and they wouldnt be missed.

they'd be missed by me!
come is my honest-to-gosh favourite prince album. it doesn't have my favourite prince songs, but as a listen from start to finish, i find it to be among his most complete, satisfying records.

don't love c&d quite so much, but i still like it a lot, with its off-handed, loose feel.

[Edited 11/4/18 14:25pm]

Yaassssss jaawwnn, damosuzuki and rdhull biggrin Come is a good listen from start to finish (pun intended!). Prince was usually at his best when he was messed up about love or missing someone. Also really like I Like It There from C&D too....

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[Edited 11/4/18 14:44pm]

Reply #112 posted 11/04/18 2:49pm

rdhull

damosuzuki said:

rdhull said:

I know, but come on. They could/should be erased from his repetoriee and they wouldnt be missed.


come is my honest-to-gosh favourite prince album.

That's unfortunate.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #113 posted 11/04/18 3:27pm

Moonbeam

rdhull said:

 



damosuzuki said:


 



rdhull said:


 


I know, but come on. They could/should be erased from his repetoriee and they wouldnt be missed.




come is my honest-to-gosh favourite prince album.



That's unfortunate.



It’s a good album in my view too. Not my favorite P record, but worthy of love.

That reminds me Mr RD, I have been (im)patiently waiting for your ratings for the album poll. I shan’t wait much more!
Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
Reply #114 posted 11/04/18 3:43pm

rdhull

Moonbeam said:

rdhull said:

That's unfortunate.

It’s a good album in my view too. Not my favorite P record, but worthy of love. That reminds me Mr RD, I have been (im)patiently waiting for your ratings for the album poll. I shan’t wait much more!

I'd love to, but I can't. I cant quanitify music.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #115 posted 11/04/18 3:47pm

Ugot2shakesumthin

Come is his best 90’s album
Reply #116 posted 11/04/18 3:57pm

onlyforaminute

damosuzuki said:

 



rdhull said:


 



onlyforaminute said:


I HEARD, meaning I have no proof, it's been in the works since January. The thing I'm noting is "the Estate " doesn't necessarily mean "the siblings" even though from my understanding they're supposed to have a certain degree of say so. One still doesn't see any promoting of these things on their end. Its confusing. Ava has hits and has misses. She's got right now which is a very positive thing. I have no clue on her track record on projects that are close to her heart vs general assignments. Is Prince close to her heart even? No real answers. Just more rumors .

Yeah, her A Wrinkle In Time was a disaster/flop.



true, but her documentary 'the 13th' was hugely acclaimed & was the recipient of many awards & nominations, & that experience might be more relevant to this project than her fantastical disney big budget flop.

the proof of the pudding is in the eating, of course, but i think having her involved is a very good omen that we may get something much, much better than any run of the mill documentary.



Given our time in history and the subject matter certain things could have helped, I can't really say. But Queen Sugar was created by her and I love that series. I give her that she could lend some insights and sensitivities. I would like to her words about it IF its going to be a reality.
Year of Return 2019
Reply #117 posted 11/04/18 5:30pm

Moonbeam

rdhull said:

Moonbeam said:

rdhull said: It’s a good album in my view too. Not my favorite P record, but worthy of love. That reminds me Mr RD, I have been (im)patiently waiting for your ratings for the album poll. I shan’t wait much more!

I'd love to, but I can't. I cant quanitify music.


Except that 1999 is a 1999/10, right?

No problem, RD!

Feel free to join in the Prince Album Poll 2018! Let'a celebrate his legacy by counting down the most beloved Prince albums, as decided by you!
Reply #118 posted 11/04/18 7:00pm

rdhull

Moonbeam said:

rdhull said:

I'd love to, but I can't. I cant quanitify music.


Except that 1999 is a 1999/10, right?

No problem, RD!

Exactly.

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #119 posted 11/04/18 8:04pm

UptownGirl319

On Twitter Wendy and Lisa offered to score Ava's Prince doc. Is that a possibility?

Reply #120 posted 11/04/18 8:48pm

ChocolateBox3121

FullLipsDotNose said:

That sounds so cool smile

Although I have to admit I know little about Duvernay's work. I've only seen the Family Feud video by her, but it was awesome.

I went to a ultra private screening of Ava's documentary movie 13th that she attended and spoke at. When she gets involved in something. She gives it her ALL. I have no doubt that this documentary will be the BEST ever done on Prince or anyone else. I'm not worried in the least about it. She is the PERFECT candidate to have done it.

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
Reply #121 posted 11/05/18 12:06am

jaawwnn

UptownGirl319 said:

On Twitter Wendy and Lisa offered to score Ava's Prince doc. Is that a possibility?


A possibility this thread will get locked again lol
Reply #122 posted 11/05/18 1:03am

Vannormal

BartVanHemelen said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I just saw "Bohemian Rhapsody" the Freddy Mecury biopic last night. It was BRILLIANTLY done.

.

It really isn't. It is a whitewash of Mercury's life, for instance focusing at length on his straight marriage while ignoring his gay life etc. Not showing his debauched parties (including for instance dwarves carrying coke-filled trays on their head) is ridiculous. Etc. It's yet another episode of May & Taylor desperately trying to keep the Queen brand alive despite Freddie being dead longer than he was part of the band(!).

-

And again... I agree.

I went to see the movie yesterday.

It's OK. But if not for this post, I would've forgotten it already.

Props to the actor who had to do Freddy though - stong acting.

-

But indeed, this movie doens't go (that) deep (at all).

Not that we need to see parties with dwarves carrying coke-filed trays on their heads.

Or a fist party or any sleazy detail for that matter. Use your imagination, that's already sick enough. wink

But the secrecy of the early AIDS problems, how it was dealth with, the former background known as very conservative, and a hostile attitude towards this issue.

Not to mention how record firms reacted to all this, the cover-ups etc.

Or how basically the whole world was under the spell of this at the time.

Some 'Sign 'O The Times' really...

-

Maybe it's too early to have this movie.

Queen fans porbably, possibly aren't in for all these sensative side paths of their beloved rockstar.

-

(Look at most of us Prince fans... Some of us (most of us?) can't even deal with the death of our own dear purple star, a strange but normal person w've never met personaly in our lives.)

-

And like Bart states, the Queen brand is far more important.

Probably the studios have their money mindsand hands in this as well.

Aids issues from the eighties still suffer from taboo and also some sort of ignorance in 2018...

Most people think it's more or less cureable now.

Nope it isn't.

-

[Edited 11/5/18 1:11am]

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
Reply #123 posted 11/05/18 3:37am

milesb

violetcrush said:

milesb said:

The Omnibus documentary is the best Prince documentary so far. It came out around the time Diamonds and Pearls was being released. It went into the man behind the music and included tantalising snips from the Camden 88 aftershow, The Ladder soundcheck, Prince in the studio with Mavis, Diamonds and Pearls tour rehearsals.

The best music documentary series I've ever seen was The Beatles Anthology.

6 part series. If you haven't seen it, it's worth checking out.

If Ava can do something even half as good as that, I'll be happy smile

The BBC docu Prince - A Purple Reign, which was released in 2011, uses footage from that Omnibus film. I like the way it's narrated, and it captures key points in his life from the beginning. It's only about an hour long though, so it just scratches the surface of each time period up to 2011.

*

How long was the Ominibus film? What is the actual title of the film?

*

Here is the YT video for the BBC Prince - A Purple Reign video:

*'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlTwe9LxZ8w&t=566s

This is the one I'm talking about. Top notch.

https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x5821ed

Check it out. They had access to Vault stuff back then

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[Edited 11/5/18 3:44am]

My password is what
Reply #124 posted 11/05/18 5:33am

Ugot2shakesumthin

Vannormal said:

 



BartVanHemelen said:


 



ChocolateBox3121 said:


I just saw "Bohemian Rhapsody" the Freddy Mecury biopic last night. It was BRILLIANTLY done.



.


It really isn't. It is a whitewash of Mercury's life, for instance focusing at length on his straight marriage while ignoring his gay life etc. Not showing his debauched parties (including for instance dwarves carrying coke-filled trays on their head) is ridiculous. Etc. It's yet another episode of May & Taylor desperately trying to keep the Queen brand alive despite Freddie being dead longer than he was part of the band(!).



-


And again... I agree.


I went to see the movie yesterday.


It's OK. But if not for this post, I would've forgotten it already.


Props to the actor who had to do Freddy though - stong acting.


-


But indeed, this movie doens't go (that) deep (at all).


Not that we need to see parties with dwarves carrying coke-filed trays on their heads.


Or a fist party or any sleazy detail for that matter. Use your imagination, that's already sick enough. wink


But the secrecy of the early AIDS problems, how it was dealth with, the former background known as very conservative, and a hostile attitude towards this issue.


Not to mention how record firms reacted to all this, the cover-ups etc.


Or how basically the whole world was under the spell of this at the time.


Some 'Sign 'O The Times' really...


-


Maybe it's too early to have this movie.


Queen fans porbably, possibly aren't in for all these sensative side paths of their beloved rockstar.


-


(Look at most of us Prince fans... Some of us (most of us?) can't even deal with the death of our own dear purple star, a strange but normal person w've never met personaly in our lives.) 


-


And like Bart states, the Queen brand is far more important.


Probably the studios have their money mindsand hands in this as well.


Aids issues from the eighties still suffer from taboo and also some sort of ignorance in 2018...


Most people think it's more or less cureable now.


Nope it isn't.


-

[Edited 11/5/18 1:11am]



This movie also made changes to the events for “dramatic purposes” Some major events never happened or at least not how they are portrayed on film. If they did this to a Prince film people will be LIVID!
Reply #125 posted 11/05/18 6:24am

ChocolateBox3121

Vannormal said:

BartVanHemelen said:

.

It really isn't. It is a whitewash of Mercury's life, for instance focusing at length on his straight marriage while ignoring his gay life etc. Not showing his debauched parties (including for instance dwarves carrying coke-filled trays on their head) is ridiculous. Etc. It's yet another episode of May & Taylor desperately trying to keep the Queen brand alive despite Freddie being dead longer than he was part of the band(!).

-

And again... I agree.

I went to see the movie yesterday.

It's OK. But if not for this post, I would've forgotten it already.

Props to the actor who had to do Freddy though - stong acting.

-

But indeed, this movie doens't go (that) deep (at all).

Not that we need to see parties with dwarves carrying coke-filed trays on their heads.

Or a fist party or any sleazy detail for that matter. Use your imagination, that's already sick enough. wink

But the secrecy of the early AIDS problems, how it was dealth with, the former background known as very conservative, and a hostile attitude towards this issue.

Not to mention how record firms reacted to all this, the cover-ups etc.

Or how basically the whole world was under the spell of this at the time.

Some 'Sign 'O The Times' really...

-

Maybe it's too early to have this movie.

Queen fans porbably, possibly aren't in for all these sensative side paths of their beloved rockstar.

-

(Look at most of us Prince fans... Some of us (most of us?) can't even deal with the death of our own dear purple star, a strange but normal person w've never met personaly in our lives.)

-

And like Bart states, the Queen brand is far more important.

Probably the studios have their money mindsand hands in this as well.

Aids issues from the eighties still suffer from taboo and also some sort of ignorance in 2018...

Most people think it's more or less cureable now.

Nope it isn't.

-

[Edited 11/5/18 1:11am]

rolleyes

Speak 4 urself.....

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
Reply #126 posted 11/05/18 6:46am

rdhull

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Vannormal said:

-

And again... I agree.

I went to see the movie yesterday.

It's OK. But if not for this post, I would've forgotten it already.

Props to the actor who had to do Freddy though - stong acting.

-

But indeed, this movie doens't go (that) deep (at all).

Not that we need to see parties with dwarves carrying coke-filed trays on their heads.

Or a fist party or any sleazy detail for that matter. Use your imagination, that's already sick enough. wink

But the secrecy of the early AIDS problems, how it was dealth with, the former background known as very conservative, and a hostile attitude towards this issue.

Not to mention how record firms reacted to all this, the cover-ups etc.

Or how basically the whole world was under the spell of this at the time.

Some 'Sign 'O The Times' really...

-

Maybe it's too early to have this movie.

Queen fans porbably, possibly aren't in for all these sensative side paths of their beloved rockstar.

-

(Look at most of us Prince fans... Some of us (most of us?) can't even deal with the death of our own dear purple star, a strange but normal person w've never met personaly in our lives.)

-

And like Bart states, the Queen brand is far more important.

Probably the studios have their money mindsand hands in this as well.

Aids issues from the eighties still suffer from taboo and also some sort of ignorance in 2018...

Most people think it's more or less cureable now.

Nope it isn't.

-

[Edited 11/5/18 1:11am]

This movie also made changes to the events for “dramatic purposes” Some major events never happened or at least not how they are portrayed on film. If they did this to a Prince film people will be LIVID!

I saw it too. Its basically a VH-1 movie of the week. Still was kind of fun. The moral of the story is dont mind a certain persons opinion lol

.....

[Edited 11/5/18 11:12am]

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #127 posted 11/05/18 10:56am

Ugot2shakesumthin

rdhull said:

 



Ugot2shakesumthin said:


Vannormal said:

 


-


And again... I agree.


I went to see the movie yesterday.


It's OK. But if not for this post, I would've forgotten it already.


Props to the actor who had to do Freddy though - stong acting.


-


But indeed, this movie doens't go (that) deep (at all).


Not that we need to see parties with dwarves carrying coke-filed trays on their heads.


Or a fist party or any sleazy detail for that matter. Use your imagination, that's already sick enough. wink


But the secrecy of the early AIDS problems, how it was dealth with, the former background known as very conservative, and a hostile attitude towards this issue.


Not to mention how record firms reacted to all this, the cover-ups etc.


Or how basically the whole world was under the spell of this at the time.


Some 'Sign 'O The Times' really...


-


Maybe it's too early to have this movie.


Queen fans porbably, possibly aren't in for all these sensative side paths of their beloved rockstar.


-


(Look at most of us Prince fans... Some of us (most of us?) can't even deal with the death of our own dear purple star, a strange but normal person w've never met personaly in our lives.) 


-


And like Bart states, the Queen brand is far more important.


Probably the studios have their money mindsand hands in this as well.


Aids issues from the eighties still suffer from taboo and also some sort of ignorance in 2018...


Most people think it's more or less cureable now.


Nope it isn't.


-


[Edited 11/5/18 1:11am]



This movie also made changes to the events for “dramatic purposes” Some major events never happened or at least not how they are portrayed on film. If they did this to a Prince film people will be LIVID!

 


I saw it too. Its basically a VH-1 movie of the week. Still was kind of fun. The moral of the story is dont certin ppls opinion lol


.....

[Edited 11/5/18 6:47am]



Great acting and fun but it’s a mess.
The purpose of a biopic is the bio-part. If they. Any get that part right then it’s more like fiction.
Reply #128 posted 11/05/18 12:16pm

Genesia

rogifan said:

I hope it’s good. That new Queen movie is getting horrible reviews.


She also destroyed A Wrinkle in Time. I am not hopeful.

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
Reply #129 posted 11/05/18 12:21pm

Genesia

ChocolateBox3121 said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

That sounds so cool smile

Although I have to admit I know little about Duvernay's work. I've only seen the Family Feud video by her, but it was awesome.

I went to a ultra private screening of Ava's documentary movie 13th that she attended and spoke at. When she gets involved in something. She gives it her ALL. I have no doubt that this documentary will be the BEST ever done on Prince or anyone else. I'm not worried in the least about it. She is the PERFECT candidate to have done it.



Which means exactly nothing.

I'm doing a play right now in which I have to simulate graying hair by spraying parts of it silver with a special spray paint that's supposed to wash out easily. I gave it my all in the shower Saturday night (lathered my hair twice - and conditioned it). And yet, I still had silver paint in my hair when all was said and done.

This woman "gave her all" to A Wrinkle In Time - and totally ruined it.

See where I'm going with this?

We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
Reply #130 posted 11/05/18 12:55pm

onlyforaminute

Welp, be nice to focus on one documentary and not try smushing info about 2 separate docs not even related to each other into one convo. Back tracking Ava's, IF IT HAPPENS, isn't a film, so the odds are good there. More archival than re-creation. Again, IF IT HAPPENS.


The 2nd one dealing with 1983 and the Revolution, I have no idea who's doing that one but it got smushed in with Ava's which it shouldn't have since there'll probably be a ton of projects over the next few years. Why smush them all together in one story.

[Edited 11/5/18 12:57pm]

Year of Return 2019
Reply #131 posted 11/05/18 1:31pm

iZsaZsa

rdhull said: They could/should be erased from his repetoire and they wouldnt be missed.

Stop the car!

What?
Reply #132 posted 11/05/18 1:51pm

violetcrush

onlyforaminute said:

Welp, be nice to focus on one documentary and not try smushing info about 2 separate docs not even related to each other into one convo. Back tracking Ava's, IF IT HAPPENS, isn't a film, so the odds are good there. More archival than re-creation. Again, IF IT HAPPENS.


The 2nd one dealing with 1983 and the Revolution, I have no idea who's doing that one but it got smushed in with Ava's which it shouldn't have since there'll probably be a ton of projects over the next few years. Why smush them all together in one story.

[Edited 11/5/18 12:57pm]

But if Ava is doing a complete history of Prince and his music then the historic 1983 1st Avenue show would most certainly be covered in her film.

Reply #133 posted 11/05/18 3:09pm

ChocolateBox3121

Genesia said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I went to a ultra private screening of Ava's documentary movie 13th that she attended and spoke at. When she gets involved in something. She gives it her ALL. I have no doubt that this documentary will be the BEST ever done on Prince or anyone else. I'm not worried in the least about it. She is the PERFECT candidate to have done it.



Which means exactly nothing.

I'm doing a play right now in which I have to simulate graying hair by spraying parts of it silver with a special spray paint that's supposed to wash out easily. I gave it my all in the shower Saturday night (lathered my hair twice - and conditioned it). And yet, I still had silver paint in my hair when all was said and done.

This woman "gave her all" to A Wrinkle In Time - and totally ruined it.

See where I'm going with this?

rolleyes

Everything can't be a number one hit boo boo. Every movie Prince did wasn't a hit either. But they're appreciated & both are STILL highly respected artist for their craft.

Who asked U anyway?!

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
Reply #134 posted 11/05/18 3:28pm

luvsexy4all

since she's a "fan" how bad could it be??

Reply #135 posted 11/05/18 3:48pm

PennyPurple

Vannormal said:

BartVanHemelen said:

.

It really isn't. It is a whitewash of Mercury's life, for instance focusing at length on his straight marriage while ignoring his gay life etc. Not showing his debauched parties (including for instance dwarves carrying coke-filled trays on their head) is ridiculous. Etc. It's yet another episode of May & Taylor desperately trying to keep the Queen brand alive despite Freddie being dead longer than he was part of the band(!).

-

And again... I agree.

I went to see the movie yesterday.

It's OK. But if not for this post, I would've forgotten it already.

Props to the actor who had to do Freddy though - stong acting.

-

But indeed, this movie doens't go (that) deep (at all).

Not that we need to see parties with dwarves carrying coke-filed trays on their heads.

Or a fist party or any sleazy detail for that matter. Use your imagination, that's already sick enough. wink

But the secrecy of the early AIDS problems, how it was dealth with, the former background known as very conservative, and a hostile attitude towards this issue.

Not to mention how record firms reacted to all this, the cover-ups etc.

Or how basically the whole world was under the spell of this at the time.

Some 'Sign 'O The Times' really...

-

Maybe it's too early to have this movie.

Queen fans porbably, possibly aren't in for all these sensative side paths of their beloved rockstar.

-

(Look at most of us Prince fans... Some of us (most of us?) can't even deal with the death of our own dear purple star, a strange but normal person w've never met personaly in our lives.)

-

And like Bart states, the Queen brand is far more important.

Probably the studios have their money mindsand hands in this as well.

Aids issues from the eighties still suffer from taboo and also some sort of ignorance in 2018...

Most people think it's more or less cureable now.

Nope it isn't.

-

[Edited 11/5/18 1:11am]

I thought it was good Remay should get an Oscar for it. Yes, it skimmed over a lot in Freddies life, and some things are a miss, but I'd go see it again!

Reply #136 posted 11/05/18 4:01pm

onlyforaminute

violetcrush said:

onlyforaminute said:

Welp, be nice to focus on one documentary and not try smushing info about 2 separate docs not even related to each other into one convo. Back tracking Ava's, IF IT HAPPENS, isn't a film, so the odds are good there. More archival than re-creation. Again, IF IT HAPPENS.


The 2nd one dealing with 1983 and the Revolution, I have no idea who's doing that one but it got smushed in with Ava's which it shouldn't have since there'll probably be a ton of projects over the next few years. Why smush them all together in one story.

[Edited 11/5/18 12:57pm]

But if Ava is doing a complete history of Prince and his music then the historic 1983 1st Avenue show would most certainly be covered in her film.



Maybe, but the article goes into another documentary which is focused on that event so that is something separate than what Ava is doing, a separate conversation.

Year of Return 2019
Reply #137 posted 11/05/18 5:50pm

Genesia

ChocolateBox3121 said:

 



Genesia said:


 



ChocolateBox3121 said:


 


I went to a ultra private screening of Ava's documentary movie 13th that she attended and spoke at. When she gets involved in something. She gives it her ALL. I have no doubt that this documentary will be the BEST ever done on Prince or anyone else. I'm not worried in the least about it. She is the PERFECT candidate to have done it.





Which means exactly nothing.

I'm doing a play right now in which I have to simulate graying hair by spraying parts of it silver with a special spray paint that's supposed to wash out easily. I gave it my all in the shower Saturday night (lathered my hair twice - and conditioned it). And yet, I still had silver paint in my hair when all was said and done. 

This woman "gave her all" to A Wrinkle In Time - and totally ruined it.

See where I'm going with this? 



 rolleyes 


Everything can't be a number one hit boo boo. Every movie Prince did wasn't a hit either. But they're appreciated & both are STILL highly respected artist for their craft.


 


Who asked U anyway?!



This a message board, honey. If you can’t handle contrary opinions, go find yourself an echo chamber somewhere.
We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
Reply #138 posted 11/05/18 5:58pm

rdhull

Genesia said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

rolleyes

Everything can't be a number one hit boo boo. Every movie Prince did wasn't a hit either. But they're appreciated & both are STILL highly respected artist for their craft.

Who asked U anyway?!

This a message board, honey. If you can’t handle contrary opinions, go find yourself an echo chamber somewhere.

He went to an ultra private screening lol lol lol

c'mon baby, where's ya guts?
Reply #139 posted 11/05/18 7:25pm

Genesia

rdhull said:

 



Genesia said:


ChocolateBox3121 said:

 


 rolleyes 


Everything can't be a number one hit boo boo. Every movie Prince did wasn't a hit either. But they're appreciated & both are STILL highly respected artist for their craft.


 


Who asked U anyway?!



This a message board, honey. If you can’t handle contrary opinions, go find yourself an echo chamber somewhere.

 


He went to an ultra private screening  lol lol lol



falloff
[Edited 11/5/18 19:26pm]
We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves.
Reply #140 posted 11/06/18 5:26am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

Can't say I'm thrilled with Ava, she's kinda brand new still. If she can approach this without hashtag movement additions or agendas, then we'll see.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

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I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #141 posted 11/06/18 5:55am

violetcrush

OldFriends4Sale said:

Can't say I'm thrilled with Ava, she's kinda brand new still. If she can approach this without hashtag movement additions or agendas, then we'll see.

My position is that I'll take a look and listen to any Bio film that has been professionally done. If it gives me insight or information on Prince that I did not have prior to watching then it's a good thing. If not, well....on to the next.

Reply #142 posted 11/06/18 6:09am

Ugot2shakesumthin

I think any Prince bio would have to be about a specefic time or event. You cannot cover the entire Prince life, work, and impact in one film. And most bios do just that, focus on one spect while sprinkling in a back story.

A lot of rock artist died early and had one or two defining songs or achievements. (The exemptions would be The Stones, The Beatles and Elton) And the music with those guys were collaborative. Band efforts. Even Elton is a collaboration. Prince produced so much work. He was known to be a workaholic and produced work and performances up the wazooo. Too much to cover in any single movie.
Reply #143 posted 11/06/18 6:23am

violetcrush

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I think any Prince bio would have to be about a specefic time or event. You cannot cover the entire Prince life, work, and impact in one film. And most bios do just that, focus on one spect while sprinkling in a back story. A lot of rock artist died early and had one or two defining songs or achievements. (The exemptions would be The Stones, The Beatles and Elton) And the music with those guys were collaborative. Band efforts. Even Elton is a collaboration. Prince produced so much work. He was known to be a workaholic and produced work and performances up the wazooo. Too much to cover in any single movie.

I don't think it's going to be a single film. My guess is that it will be, or it should be, shown as a long series - similar to the PBS New York Docu, which was an eight-part 17 hr series. Still, it would be tough to detail a life and career that spanned 57 years with 40 years of music.

Reply #144 posted 11/06/18 6:52am

jdcxc

Genesia said:

 



rogifan said:


I hope it’s good. That new Queen movie is getting horrible reviews.


She also destroyed A Wrinkle in Time. I am not hopeful.



“Selma” was incredible.

I just hope she has real music people working with her. And Prince experts who aren’t all about propping themselves up.

Basically, a real anaylsis, treatment and breakdown of his genius. We all have read amazing pieces and crap.
Reply #145 posted 11/06/18 7:27am

Ugot2shakesumthin

I just hope it stays away from personal commentary or trues to guide it into a certain conclusion. I want as much input from his peers, their opinion is fine, but for a documentary the filamker should not have preconceived formula as to what it wants to say. The subjects and his peers do that.

Like has been said before, there will be many more in the future. The thing is that people are aging. Ad we need to hear from as many of his peers today while they are still here. Vanity is gone. WOuld have loved to hear more from her. His former manager is gone. WOuld have loved to hear more from him. So as many people as we can hear from is fantastic. Eventually a lot of voices will be gone, so the more documentaries and books by the actual peso-le who were there, the better.

Look forward to books by Wend & Lisa and the rest of the revolution. I know his true friends are the ones who rarely speak out deep respect for him, but I think it would be a shame if history of one of the greatest artists of the last 100 years isn’t as well documented as possible.
Reply #146 posted 11/06/18 7:57am

AnnaSantana

Can't wait! excited excited bananadance
finger DONALD TRUMP
Reply #147 posted 11/06/18 8:00am

BartVanHemelen

milesb said:

This has the BBC Omnibus doco to live up to. Which has set the bar.

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Omnibus was a gold standard documentary show. And to think that their Prince doc only featured so much archive material because they'd traveled to Minneapolis because they were to interview Prince (their usual MO when portraying an artist) and of course he'd changed his mind when they arrived, so in exchange they got access to a bunch of vault footage (e.g. from Magnoli's unfinished(?) and unreleased documentary that he was making during the Lovesexy era).

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Reply #148 posted 11/06/18 8:04am

paulludvig

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I think any Prince bio would have to be about a specefic time or event. You cannot cover the entire Prince life, work, and impact in one film. And most bios do just that, focus on one spect while sprinkling in a back story.

A lot of rock artist died early and had one or two defining songs or achievements. (The exemptions would be The Stones, The Beatles and Elton) And the music with those guys were collaborative. Band efforts. Even Elton is a collaboration. Prince produced so much work. He was known to be a workaholic and produced work and performances up the wazooo. Too much to cover in any single movie.


Agree with most of this. But with multiple episodes I think you can cover his entire career quite well.
The wooh is on the one!
Reply #149 posted 11/06/18 8:05am

paulludvig

jdcxc said:

Genesia said:

 



rogifan said:


I hope it’s good. That new Queen movie is getting horrible reviews.


She also destroyed A Wrinkle in Time. I am not hopeful.



“Selma” was incredible.

I just hope she has real music people working with her. And Prince experts who aren’t all about propping themselves up.

Basically, a real anaylsis, treatment and breakdown of his genius. We all have read amazing pieces and crap.



yeahthat
The wooh is on the one!
Reply #150 posted 11/06/18 8:23am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

jdcxc said:

Genesia said:


She also destroyed A Wrinkle in Time. I am not hopeful.

“Selma” was incredible. I just hope she has real music people working with her. And Prince experts who aren’t all about propping themselves up. Basically, a real anaylsis, treatment and breakdown of his genius. We all have read amazing pieces and crap.

minimal talk, especially from people outside of the actual music/camp.

A timeline piece of this career with video/concert/rehearsal clips, mixing stuff within the time periods and album era releases, including the proteges(I mostly care about the 80s proteges) a lot of the latter stuff became too much about women.

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #151 posted 11/06/18 9:38am

paulludvig

OldFriends4Sale said:

 



jdcxc said:


Genesia said:

 



She also destroyed A Wrinkle in Time. I am not hopeful.



“Selma” was incredible. I just hope she has real music people working with her. And Prince experts who aren’t all about propping themselves up. Basically, a real anaylsis, treatment and breakdown of his genius. We all have read amazing pieces and crap.

 


minimal talk, especially from people outside of the actual music/camp.


A timeline piece of this career with video/concert/rehearsal clips, mixing stuff within the time periods and album era releases, including the proteges(I mostly care about the 80s proteges) a lot of the latter stuff became too much about women.



I think there should be minimal talk even from people inside the camp, and only archival footage to avoid revisionist history.
The wooh is on the one!
Reply #152 posted 11/06/18 9:52am

onlyforaminute

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I think any Prince bio would have to be about a specefic time or event. You cannot cover the entire Prince life, work, and impact in one film. And most bios do just that, focus on one spect while sprinkling in a back story. A lot of rock artist died early and had one or two defining songs or achievements. (The exemptions would be The Stones, The Beatles and Elton) And the music with those guys were collaborative. Band efforts. Even Elton is a collaboration. Prince produced so much work. He was known to be a workaholic and produced work and performances up the wazooo. Too much to cover in any single movie.



The article says it'll be a multi-part documentary. Sounds more promising the more I actually read on what she's doing. Live footage, interviews and such.

Year of Return 2019
Reply #153 posted 11/06/18 9:54am

OldFriends4Sale

moderator

paulludvig said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

minimal talk, especially from people outside of the actual music/camp.

A timeline piece of this career with video/concert/rehearsal clips, mixing stuff within the time periods and album era releases, including the proteges(I mostly care about the 80s proteges) a lot of the latter stuff became too much about women.

I think there should be minimal talk even from people inside the camp, and only archival footage to avoid revisionist history.

I don't think a documentary would have a lot of talk anyway. When they are posting a quote from someone it usually isn't long.

I mean Ava herself could push a pro-female revisionist view herself

#IDEFINEME #ALBUMSSTILLMATTER

A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence
I will make you cyber shit in your pants!
What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In
Reply #154 posted 11/06/18 10:06am

jdcxc

And please Ava don’t do too much of the Religious stuff- only where it is pertinent to the music (Rainbow Children JW evolution, early gospel influences, etc.)

A few more tips for fun-

*Real breakdown of Minneapolis Sound, end of big band R&B era
*P’s unique and groundbreaking approach to production, band leadership, songwriting
*Miles Davis/Joni inspiration, collaboration, discussions
*Heavy emphasis on archived LIVE aftershow footage and his unique approaches to stagecraft, experimentation, impulsiveness
*Heavy emphasis on Musical Period 85-87 (Pure Genius)

Don’t shy away from edgy, hypersexual, competitive and dark sides...PRINCE is not Disney!
Reply #155 posted 11/07/18 2:46am

milesb

BartVanHemelen said:

milesb said:

This has the BBC Omnibus doco to live up to. Which has set the bar.

.

Omnibus was a gold standard documentary show. And to think that their Prince doc only featured so much archive material because they'd traveled to Minneapolis because they were to interview Prince (their usual MO when portraying an artist) and of course he'd changed his mind when they arrived, so in exchange they got access to a bunch of vault footage (e.g. from Magnoli's unfinished(?) and unreleased documentary that he was making during the Lovesexy era).

.

I didn't know about the unreleased Lovesexy era documentary. Would be fascinating to see more of that footage. Starting with the Camden 88 aftershow smile That era is one of my favourites personally. Won't hold my breath though..

My password is what
Reply #156 posted 11/07/18 11:22am

luvsexy4all

milesb said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Omnibus was a gold standard documentary show. And to think that their Prince doc only featured so much archive material because they'd traveled to Minneapolis because they were to interview Prince (their usual MO when portraying an artist) and of course he'd changed his mind when they arrived, so in exchange they got access to a bunch of vault footage (e.g. from Magnoli's unfinished(?) and unreleased documentary that he was making during the Lovesexy era).

.

I didn't know about the unreleased Lovesexy era documentary. Would be fascinating to see more of that footage. Starting with the Camden 88 aftershow smile That era is one of my favourites personally. Won't hold my breath though..

camden 88 in full has been rleased to some ...the rest are waiting

Reply #157 posted 11/08/18 1:30am

milesb

luvsexy4all said:

milesb said:

.

I didn't know about the unreleased Lovesexy era documentary. Would be fascinating to see more of that footage. Starting with the Camden 88 aftershow smile That era is one of my favourites personally. Won't hold my breath though..

camden 88 in full has been rleased to some ...the rest are waiting

.

I don't understand why the chosen few wouldn't release this to the wider few. The wider few being the rest of us hardcore fans. Aren't we all in this together? We're all practically kin! I'd release it if I had it. What's the point of keeping his genius to yourself?

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My password is what
Reply #158 posted 11/08/18 2:58am

love2thenines2003

milesb said:

luvsexy4all said:

camden 88 in full has been rleased to some ...the rest are waiting

.

I don't understand why the chosen few wouldn't release this to the wider few. The wider few being the rest of us hardcore fans. Aren't we all in this together? We're all practically kin! I'd release it if I had it. What's the point of keeping his genius to yourself?

[Edited 11/8/18 1:31am]

WHY ? > 2 answers

MONEY & Pride

cool

Reply #159 posted 11/09/18 3:45am

milesb

love2thenines2003 said:

milesb said:

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I don't understand why the chosen few wouldn't release this to the wider few. The wider few being the rest of us hardcore fans. Aren't we all in this together? We're all practically kin! I'd release it if I had it. What's the point of keeping his genius to yourself?

[Edited 11/8/18 1:31am]

WHY ? > 2 answers

MONEY & Pride

cool

$ and ego

love or $?

My password is what
Reply #160 posted 11/21/18 5:00am

andrewm7

[color=blue]She will have plenty of great footage from many great filmmakers to draw on, but I doubt Prince did one revealing interview, even in the vault. Reflection on what he had done or how he felt was really not a big part of his nature.
As a consequence,I reckon that focusing on just performance footage would be the way to go. If some of the people he was genuinely intimate with were to talk, I would listen, but as far as what “famous person x” thinks of Prince, or his career or whatever, I really don’t care.
I would love it to be a celebration of his life, but so often when people die like that all of the stories around them are framed around their untimely death. I hope that it can be more about the life without glossing over the end.[\color]
Reply #161 posted 11/23/18 11:00am

Seahorsie

So...is there a projected date on when this is coming out? I mean, winter can be so long, and I fear that after I finish watching the 2nd season of Ozark there will be nothing left on Netflix.

bored2

Good morning children...take a look out your window, the world is falling...
Reply #162 posted 11/26/18 2:39pm

MyPy

YES LAWD!

Reply #163 posted 11/28/18 12:28am

JorisE73

love2thenines2003 said:

milesb said:

.

I don't understand why the chosen few wouldn't release this to the wider few. The wider few being the rest of us hardcore fans. Aren't we all in this together? We're all practically kin! I'd release it if I had it. What's the point of keeping his genius to yourself?

[Edited 11/8/18 1:31am]

WHY ? > 2 answers

MONEY & Pride

cool



After having some experience with traders and so called archivers your reasons given are pretty naive.

Most people I know who don't let theere stuff out is because they keep it so they can trade it for other uncirculating stuff or because of promisses made, it's not pride but respecting peoples wishes.
As I see it only bootleggers hoard stuff for money, but they are in a lower class compared to traders.

Reply #164 posted 11/28/18 1:34am

love2thenines2003

JorisE73 said:

love2thenines2003 said:

WHY ? > 2 answers

MONEY & Pride

cool



After having some experience with traders and so called archivers your reasons given are pretty naive.

Most people I know who don't let theere stuff out is because they keep it so they can trade it for other uncirculating stuff or because of promisses made, it's not pride but respecting peoples wishes.
As I see it only bootleggers hoard stuff for money, but they are in a lower class compared to traders.

Money & Pride....no other reasons....this material is owned by Prince only ....but when the stuff is out ...the stuff has to be shared 4 the pleasure of all in a way or other...so i don't care what is in the mind of this so called -Elite ......Money & Pride in the end...always the same good story !

Reply #165 posted 11/28/18 3:19am

JorisE73

love2thenines2003 said:

JorisE73 said:



After having some experience with traders and so called archivers your reasons given are pretty naive.

Most people I know who don't let theere stuff out is because they keep it so they can trade it for other uncirculating stuff or because of promisses made, it's not pride but respecting peoples wishes.
As I see it only bootleggers hoard stuff for money, but they are in a lower class compared to traders.

Money & Pride....no other reasons....this material is owned by Prince only ....but when the stuff is out ...the stuff has to be shared 4 the pleasure of all in a way or other...so i don't care what is in the mind of this so called -Elite ......Money & Pride in the end...always the same good story !


Making a promis has nothing to do with money or pride so you are just short sighted , not to mention the no-brainer of keeping uncirculating stuff to trade for other uncirculating stuff.
And the only money aspect here is because bootleggers won't release there still uncirculating stuff becuase they want money, not these so called Elites, I bet if the profitering bootlegger scammers were gone we'd be back in the old trading ways of the 80's when people traded tapes or just gave them to people who wanted to hear them. Back in the 80's when I became a fan I was given tapes left and right because other fans wanted other people to discover great unreleased tracks, when bootleg LP's and CD's became easily available in the 90's that all stopped.

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Reply #166 posted 11/28/18 12:22pm

luvsexy4all

maybe she can find videos for Vibrator or his italian impression from Exodus segues ???

Reply #167 posted 11/28/18 6:03pm

jdcxc

Will Ava’s new $100 million dollar deal with Warner Bros compromise her telling of the Prince/WB fight? Hope not!
Reply #168 posted 12/03/18 10:52pm

Kobe

This is interesting... The prince.org was part of the PFU rebellion against Prince in 2007 and Prince hit them with an Ali jab and killed the Protest. It was checkmate in the Prince Community. Smart man Prince. https://www.rollingstone....unky-80676/ and now prince.org wants be part of this Netflix documentary? For what? Increase their Ego-Ship? Or They just want to be on Netflix to be even more famous? Don't you think it's insulting? Prince has beeen dead for nearly three years ago and it's time to Letitgo. Respect his legacy and again Letitgo!

[Edited 12/3/18 22:54pm]

And girls, if you wanna to get that lovely tattoo of the sunrise rising out of your ass crack... Gorgeous when you're 20, but when you're 50, it's an octopus chasing a fucking starfish ~ Robin Williams
Reply #169 posted 12/04/18 1:53am

ChocolateBox3121

Kobe said:

This is interesting... The prince.org was part of the PFU rebellion against Prince in 2007 and Prince hit them with an Ali jab and killed the Protest. It was checkmate in the Prince Community. Smart man Prince. https://www.rollingstone....unky-80676/ and now prince.org wants be part of this Netflix documentary? For what? Increase their Ego-Ship? Or They just want to be on Netflix to be even more famous? Don't you think it's insulting? Prince has beeen TRANSITIONED for nearly three years ago and it's time to Letitgo. Respect his legacy and again Letitgo!

[Edited 12/3/18 22:54pm]

prince

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
Reply #170 posted 12/05/18 8:29am

onlyforaminute

Any of the other 2 Ws yet or any info on when those Ws can be expected?
[Edited 12/5/18 8:29am]
Year of Return 2019
Reply #171 posted 12/09/18 7:50am

AndyForbes

This is exciting news.

URL: https://prince.org/msg/7/457074/

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