RODSERLING said:

TKO said:

You are wrong in many things.

1) Prince's final new album to chart before his death was HITNRUN: Phase One, which debuted and peaked at No. 70 on the Oct. 3, 2015-dated list.

2) Prince arrives with the first of his two debuts in the top 10: Art Official Age, which bows at No. 5 with 51,000. He also enters at No. 8 with Plectrumelectrum (with the band 3rdEyeGirl; 26,000). Prince is the first act to achieve two simultaneous top 10 debuts in a little more than 10 years. The last act to do so was Nelly, on the chart dated Oct. 2, 2004, when his Suit and Sweat albums started at Nos. 1 and 2, respectively.

He had Two Top 10 albums in 2014 selling 77,000 copies in one week. And also debuted in Top 70 with Hit N Run without promo, singles, video.

This proves with a bit of promo he could pull decent numbers like Art Official Age.

I never claimed the Contrary of the numbers you quoted, So what s the point ? After AOA and PLEC, the latter being his less selling non instrumental album of his whole carreer, BB changed the rules of the charts with adding streaming. . That s why HNR 1 ranked #70 in octobre 2015. And the streaming thing was increasing gmore and more each month, while pure sales, where Prince and others Old acts were holding strong usually, was decreasing more and more. . And, as you pointed out yourself, HNR 2 didn t break the top 200 in its release on décember 2015, with only 2.000 copies sold its first week. . That s far from top Ten. . If Prince were alive, hé would have released HNR3, and it would have peaked at #130 or something. That situation would have only worstening for each subséquent release since hé allowed only Tidal to stream his material. . [Edited 9/30/18 0:59am]

Hit N Run Phase Two didn't even get a traditional release. His music was only available for streaming on TIDAL (a flop streaming service). And remember you could only buy a physical copy on Electric Fetus.

The album sold 33,000 copies last week, #3 on the sales chart:

http://hitsdailydouble.com/building_album_chart

However, the total sales+streaming units was 34,993. Since other albums streamed more, it will likely debut at #8 on the overall albums chart:

http://hitsdailydouble.com/sales_plus_streaming

FunkyMan said:

The album sold 33,000 copies last week, #3 on the sales chart:

http://hitsdailydouble.com/building_album_chart

However, the total sales+streaming units was 34,993. Since other albums streamed more, it will likely debut at #8 on the overall albums chart:

http://hitsdailydouble.com/sales_plus_streaming

This was never meant to be a chart buster, given the obscure and unproduced nature of it. Given this, I am pleased that there is enough interest in this type of endeavor to warrant being #3 in sales.

renfield said:

TKO said:

databank said:

RODSERLING said:

RODSERLING said:

databank said:

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If it has nothing to do with Zooey Deschanel, why this is the duet that was released instead of the solo version released on HNR1? Why don t release the single with à random girl instead ?

Because, at least according to Princevault who usually only published sourced information, the song was specifically recorded for the show TV New Girl, starring Zooey. The real question is more "why was the version on HnR without Zooey Deschanel?".

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This tends to suggest LA Reid probably knew from the beginning that she was on the song, which plays in favor of your theory.

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Why LA Reid never thought à Prince song could be à hit before hé recorded with à famous tv star?

IDK, I'm not in his head. Maybe he's on Twitter or FB, maybe someone can ask him?

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Your theory is in the realm of possibilities. It is made even stronger if one considers that Zooey Deschanel's musical band She & Him signed to Columbia, a Sony sublabel, at about the same time (it was announced a few months after Fallinlove was released). In that case, however, it could just as well be argued that LA Reid's motive was to boost Zooey's visibility and credibility as a singer by releasing a duet between her and a major musical artist, in order to boost She & Him's next album. So maybe Reid wanted to take advantage of Zooey to sell a Prince song, or maybe he wanted to take advantage of Prince to boost Zooey's music career, or maybe he just liked the song and though it had strong potential (it did, it's very radio-friendly), or maybe it was just a friendly bet between 2 old pals. All those theories work, none is verified except that, if LA Reid said it was just a bet, we'll have to take his word for it won't we? Who are we to accuse him of having a hidden agenda if we can't accuse each other?

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I don t see any "hidden agenda " here. To promote à song with à tv star inside instead of just à Prince solo song was a logical commercial choice. . We Are living in à musical World of featuring, look at the Hot 100 (but don t listen to it !). . Even Eminem needed Rihanna to boost his carreer and to stay relevant commercially. . If Prince made a duet with Jay Z or Beyoncé on Musicology or 3121, it would have boost his carreer à lot to.

LOL. Boost Prince's career... Who's the one with grammys, an oscar, golden globe and rock and roll hall of fame...

feeluupp said:

It will debut on BILLBOARD at #11

Piano and a Microphone 1983 will debut at #11 on the Billboard 200, #1 on the Tastemakers chart, #3 on the Top Album Sales chart, #5 on the Digital Albums chart, #3 on the Internet Albums chart, #2 on the Vinyl Albums Chart (#11 is Purple Rain), #1 on the RnB Albums chart, and #7 on the RnB/Hip Hop Albums chart.


https://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=136359

Moonbeam said:

Piano and a Microphone 1983 will debut at #11 on the Billboard 200, #1 on the Tastemakers chart, #3 on the Top Album Sales chart, #5 on the Digital Albums chart, #3 on the Internet Albums chart, #2 on the Vinyl Albums Chart (#11 is Purple Rain), #1 on the RnB Albums chart, and #7 on the RnB/Hip Hop Albums chart.


https://www.ukmix.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=136359

Thank you.

Still waiting for total world wide sales by Media Traffic, should be released this week.

feeluupp said:

PRINCE|PIANO & A MICROPHONE 19( 3) 31202

31k pure sales without streaming.

#3 in album sales.

His fans are loyal. This is a piano and voice record. Imagine a new studio album.

TKO said:

PRINCE|PIANO & A MICROPHONE 19( 3) 31202

31k pure sales without streaming.

#3 in album sales.

His fans are loyal. This is a piano and voice record. Imagine a new studio album.

God his streaming numbers are so very low compared to most artists from his era.

feeluupp said:

TKO said:

PRINCE|PIANO & A MICROPHONE 19( 3) 31202

31k pure sales without streaming.

#3 in album sales.

His fans are loyal. This is a piano and voice record. Imagine a new studio album.

God his streaming numbers are so very low compared to most artists from his era.

Not really. His music wasn't available for streaming for a long time and he missed a lot of streams but his numbers are slowly getting bigger and bigger. Two songs are about to cross the 100m mark in Spotify. Madonna for example only has 1 song with 100m and her music has been on streaming since day 1.

To compare his recent U.S. BILLBOARD First Week Sales:

ART OFFICIAL AGE - 51K

PLECTRUMELECTRUM - 26K

HITnRUN PHASE ONE- 6K

HITnRUN PHASE TWO - 2K

PURPLE RAIN DELUX - 52K

PIANO & A MICROPHONE '83 - 34K

[Edited 10/2/18 7:30am]

It becomes his 28th top ten on the R&B/Hip-Hop albums chart, entering at #7.

love2thenines2003 said:

Question....already at this stage...this release is a success for WBR&The Estate...or not?

I am not qualified to answer that but I sure do hope it's a success. No matter what, if it doesn't pay for WB (or anyone else for that matter) to put the music out there, they will stop doing so. That would be a tragedy for all of us, but realistically, no one works for free, it's all about supply and demand.

The old saying "If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem" really applies here imo.

Mumio said:

love2thenines2003 said:

Question....already at this stage...this release is a success for WBR&The Estate...or not?

I am not qualified to answer that but I sure do hope it's a success. No matter what, if it doesn't pay for WB (or anyone else for that matter) to put the music out there, they will stop doing so. That would be a tragedy for all of us, but realistically, no one works for free, it's all about supply and demand.

The old saying "If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem" really applies here imo.

I think this did decently for them, but hopefully they realize they have much better, much more marketeable material than this in the vault. As they continue to log the vault's contents I think this was easiest to release quickly because there was no consideration to track list or cohesiveness; it was a complete 35 minute tape that could be released as-is. The fact that this did as well as it did should give them hope for studio releases in the future.

renfield said:

Mumio said:

I am not qualified to answer that but I sure do hope it's a success. No matter what, if it doesn't pay for WB (or anyone else for that matter) to put the music out there, they will stop doing so. That would be a tragedy for all of us, but realistically, no one works for free, it's all about supply and demand.

The old saying "If you aren't part of the solution, you are part of the problem" really applies here imo.

I think this did decently for them, but hopefully they realize they have much better, much more marketeable material than this in the vault. As they continue to log the vault's contents I think this was easiest to release quickly because there was no consideration to track list or cohesiveness; it was a complete 35 minute tape that could be released as-is. The fact that this did as well as it did should give them hope for studio releases in the future.

I agree with you. They'll put more effort in if they believe it will pay off for them. I'm okay with that, as I said, no one works for free.

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TKO said:

feeluupp said:

Mumio said:

RODSERLING said:

I Can t agréé. I m sure many of us would Work for free to make Prince s legacY more valuable than that.Of course, we don t agréé between us for some thing or not, bit I m confident that in the end it Couldn t be worst. . They clearly lack passion and cohérence into what they release and their timing. To think that TMBGITW was the 3rd most played track on radio After his death and it is still not available at least on streaming (!) Is complètely unbelievable. It s as if Beat It wasn t available on streaming, digital and physical support.

My understanding is that it's not available due to a plagiarism lawsuit over the song in Italy.

The big companies like WB and Sony aren't going to work for free for any artist to release music. The estate can't afford to do freebies either given the tax issues and PP maintenance. The heirs won't do so either. It all business for them, none of them created the music so they don't have that same investment in it that Prince did. It's all about the money, as is the case with most everything. I am not villifying any of them for that, this is the world we live in.

[Edited 10/2/18 15:10pm]

Mumio said:

RODSERLING said:

Mumio said:

My understanding is that it's not available due to a plagiarism lawsuit over the song in Italy.

The big companies like WB and Sony aren't going to work for free for any artist to release music. The estate can't afford to do freebies either given the tax issues and PP maintenance. The heirs won't do so either. It all business for them, none of them created the music so they don't have that same investment in it that Prince did. It's all about the money, as is the case with most everything. I am not villifying any of them for that, this is the world we live in.

[Edited 10/2/18 15:10pm]

You are not Alone was never banned from streaming, digital and physical format because of the plagiarism lawsuit. Why would Sony do that? It s all about authorship, and the label has nothing to do with that. . So this is not about freebies at all since there is no question that Prince estate won t make money out of TMBGITW. Prince wrote the lyrics for instance, and some parts of the music. . If it were all About the miney, the estate (whoever it could be) and WB would have signed an agreement in the days following his death in order to make money fast, and see howit goes After. . If it were all About the money, they would n't have waste more than a year to release PR deluxe (Without the first avenue live!) .

Well, I seem to be losing the train of thought here but that's fine because I don't have anything more to add really. I do think things are more complicated though when speaking about how business dealings are handled when an estate is in probate (and very complicated and extensive to boot)-but I'm not a lawyer either so can't speak to the specifics on that

[Edited 10/2/18 21:25pm]