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Reply #450 posted 05/25/18 1:37am

GrayDorian

BartVanHemelen said:

GrayDorian said:

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One single dedicated issue of a low circulation mag vs. the experiences of several major magazines.

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If Prince was a significant seller, magazines would feature him regularly. That didn't happen.

I'll probably regret this, but doesn't selling over 100 million albums worldwide (if that is correct) make Prince a pretty 'significant seller'?

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Dido was massively popular when a UK magazine put her on their cover. That issue was one of their worst sellers, along with their issue with Prince on the cover.



GrayDorian:

Well, perhaps that may indeed be a reflection of a decline in Prince’s popularity (in UK at least). In any case I am not entirely convinced that a front cover and rave review in Rolling Stone is as influential on sales as back in the 80s.


Back in the day I may occasionally have been influenced as to which albums to purchase by reviews in the music press, but nowadays we can all listen to streams for free prior to making a decision to purchase.

I am wondering whether perhaps Troy Carter being on our team is more of an asset in the context of reaching beyond the core Prince support, as maybe he would be able to give the new release a prominent presence on Spotify. Hopefully JayZ may also be willing to do likewise on his Tidal platform.

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I still hear his songs on the radio on an almost daily basis.

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Anecdotes, not data. You listen to certain stations that play music you like, which includes Prince. You likely also overestimate the amount of plays he gets.


GrayDorian:

Shucks, what can I say? I’m more of an anecdotal type of guy than an analdata master (de)bater. I mostly listen to the radio at work (approx. 400 staff, so many different stations aired…only one funk n soul show that I would choose to listen to, and I am lucky to hear that once a week). Oh, tonight we heard the 12 inch of Let’s Go Crazy on some crappy station, and I thought of you! I bet you never thought you would read that wink . I will concede that in my experience it is very rare indeed to hear anything post Diamonds and Pearls on the radio.

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In any case, even if you are correct and Prince is not 'a significant seller', I don't believe the breadth of Prince's popularity in any way reflects either the quality of his music or its artistic merit. Perhaps we would agree that Trent Reznor is hugely talented, but even 'The Downward Spiral' reputedly only sold about 5 million copies

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Back in 1992, when Prince signed his infamous $100 million contract, only three Prince albums had sold more than 5 million copies: https://musicfans.stackex...m/a/89/129 .

GrayDorian:

To be frank I find that fact surprising, as I would have imagined pretty much all the 80s albums were big sellers. The article was quite interesting, so thanks for the link.

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Presumably there must still be a hardcore of a few tens of thousands of diehard fans that will purchase whichever album they decide to release this year. If not, Prince's popularity must have waned far faster and more dramatically than I realize.

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HNR2 sold merely a couple of thousand copies before his death.


GrayDorian:

Ok, I’ll admit I find that stat fairly mind-boggling, especially worldwide sales. If I remember correctly, I think I read that NEWS had only sold 30k, which I found surprising at that time.

However, that said, in the context of Prince’s popularity and its potential impact on the viability of this upcoming (and any future) release, I would be more interested in the sales for Purple Rain deluxe. I seem to recall seeing a figure of over 100k, though I may be mistaken about that.

If Warners were to be releasing for example say 1999 deluxe, I’d like to think it could shift sufficient albums to encourage them to continue the process with the other classic era gems. They didn’t seem to me to put much effort into promoting either PR deluxe or indeed Art Official Age, so I am somewhat skeptical as to how enthusiastically they will push this new release. Fingers crossed this new release (whatever it may be) turns out to be both of high quality and hugely successful.



I like the old English band XTC, and I can’t help thinking that, if there is sufficient demand for them to be able to release a surround series of their albums, surely there remains enough interest in Prince’s phenomenal creative peak during the 80s to facilitate a high quality set of remasters from Warners? That would be my minimum expectation. Any additional music beyond that I would regard as a welcome bonus. Roll on September. music


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Reply #451 posted 05/25/18 3:15am

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From what i heard ...1st of June >WBR Press release about future releases >> the stong rumour is A PIANO&MICROPHONE(PPARK PERFORMANCE) is THE PLAN 4 this release or a part of THE PLAN...few days from now & we will get some answers !!

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Reply #452 posted 05/25/18 4:04am

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GrayDorian said:

I like the old English band XTC, and I can’t help thinking that, if there is sufficient demand for them to be able to release a surround series of their albums, surely there remains enough interest in Prince’s phenomenal creative peak during the 80s to facilitate a high quality set of remasters from Warners?

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That's mostly Andy Partridge's work: https://www.ape.uk.net/ . Ironically it's easier because they're a cult band: EMI can easily license it back to them, because it's not like they're making millions from it now. IIRC there were already remasters of (some) XTC albums, but they were apparently rather shambolic.

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Reply #453 posted 05/25/18 4:41am

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JorisE73 said:


I hope The Estate is smart enough to only give Tidal that last CD in 2019 and drop them like a brick after that.

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Why would giving them another CD spontaneously make them pay?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #454 posted 05/25/18 4:43am

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love2thenines2003 said:

From what i heard ...1st of June >WBR Press release about future releases >> the stong rumour is A PIANO&MICROPHONE(PPARK PERFORMANCE) is THE PLAN 4 this release or a part of THE PLAN...few days from now & we will get some answers !!

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As if we do not yet have some stellar P&M recordings?

As if they will release the whole tour?

As if they will quickly follow up with whatever?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #455 posted 05/25/18 7:44am

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udo said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

I feel JAY-Z(which is how he wants his name spelled now) should be given Prince's last P&M concert in Atlanta to release.

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That person from the `tidal` entity?

The ones that are supposedly not paying the artists?

Why would you feel that way?

Please enlighten us with some reasonings.

Prince recieved his money with NO issues WHATSOEVER and was happy with it.

Prince trusted JAY-Z'S Tidal with his VAST catalog including newbies. Which included P&M fragments.

Prince mentioned preparing the P&M Atlanta show. He said he was mixing it right before he passed. Which he rarely mentioned about ANY previous show or tour. JAY-Z whom he was ONLY dealing with out of ALL the streaming services, would have gotten it. Whether U or any so called fan liked it or not.

Also I would have FULLY supported it like I did EVERYTHING he did through Tidal.

JAY-Z MADE PRINCE HAPPY! Which is ALL I really cared about.

Prince would have given JAY-Z's TIDAL THREE FULL COMPLETE NEW ALBUMS if he would have lived before transitioning. He's finally getting his wish by 2019. R.I.P. PRINCE.

Hit & Run Phase 1,2,& 3

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
"eye don't think about gone just think about the future when eye don't want 2 speak n real time" prince 2004
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Reply #456 posted 05/25/18 8:42am

udo

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

udo said:

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That person from the `tidal` entity?

The ones that are supposedly not paying the artists?

Why would you feel that way?

Please enlighten us with some reasonings.

Prince recieved his money with NO issues WHATSOEVER and was happy with it.

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Aren't we in a post-Prince period, with an 'estate' trying to slow things down? (by accident)

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Prince trusted JAY-Z'S Tidal with his VAST catalog including newbies. Which included P&M fragments.

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That was then.

Now we have reports of bills not getting paid.

Of fraud with reporting on amount of streams of a song.

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Whether U or any so called fan liked it or not.

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Does it matter if I like Jay-whatever or not?

It was about reasoning why, in a situation of reported non-payment, they would pay when they would get another CD.

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I did not see any explanation about that one yet.

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Also I would have FULLY supported it like I did EVERYTHING he did through Tidal.

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Is that relevant?

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JAY-Z MADE PRINCE HAPPY! Which is ALL I really cared about.

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Is that relevant? We're post-Prince now.

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Prince would have given JAY-Z's TIDAL THREE FULL COMPLETE NEW ALBUMS if he would have lived before transitioning. He's finally getting his wish by 2019. R.I.P. PRINCE.

Hit & Run Phase 1,2,& 3

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They in the estate are trying to run a business.

That could make them happy.

So it is important if them tidals pay on time.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #457 posted 05/25/18 3:16pm

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Speaking of XTC, Andy Partridge also put out multiple volumes of rarities and demos in the Fuzzy Warbles series in the early to mid 2000s.

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I've always wished that Prince (or now his estate) could do that with the vault material.

"..free to change your mind"
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Reply #458 posted 05/26/18 5:03am

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udo said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

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Is that relevant? We're post-Prince now.

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Prince would have given JAY-Z's TIDAL THREE FULL COMPLETE NEW ALBUMS if he would have lived before transitioning. He's finally getting his wish by 2019. R.I.P. PRINCE.

Hit & Run Phase 1,2,& 3

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They in the estate are trying to run a business.

That could make them happy.

So it is important if them tidals pay on time.

The important matter is The Estate honored Prince's wishes by given what he promised JAY-Z's Tidal PHASE 3. It's called LOYALTY! I'm happy Prince's wishes have been carried out & done like HE wanted it.

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
"eye don't think about gone just think about the future when eye don't want 2 speak n real time" prince 2004
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Reply #459 posted 05/26/18 7:40pm

udo

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

udo said:

The important matter is The Estate honored Prince's wishes by given what he promised JAY-Z's Tidal PHASE 3. It's called LOYALTY! I'm happy Prince's wishes have been carried out & done like HE wanted it.

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Honor?

The story is that they do not pay.

What honor is there in such a case?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #460 posted 05/28/18 1:58am

JorisE73

udo said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

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Honor?

The story is that they do not pay.

What honor is there in such a case?


It's indeed bad.

Maybe PRince got paid upfront for 3 albums on Tidal that's why The Estate cut this deal with them, so that's why I hope The Estate drops Tidal after the 2019 release. The Estate shouldn't deal with shady busineses like that.

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Reply #461 posted 05/28/18 7:16am

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JorisE73 said:

udo said:

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Honor?

The story is that they do not pay.

What honor is there in such a case?


It's indeed bad.

Maybe PRince got paid upfront for 3 albums on Tidal that's why The Estate cut this deal with them, so that's why I hope The Estate drops Tidal after the 2019 release. The Estate shouldn't deal with shady busineses like that.

Tidal was NEVER shady to P.

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
"eye don't think about gone just think about the future when eye don't want 2 speak n real time" prince 2004
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Reply #462 posted 05/28/18 8:03am

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

JorisE73 said:


It's indeed bad.

Maybe PRince got paid upfront for 3 albums on Tidal that's why The Estate cut this deal with them, so that's why I hope The Estate drops Tidal after the 2019 release. The Estate shouldn't deal with shady busineses like that.

Tidal was NEVER shady to P.

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Pwha!

Did you ever read them papers dealingwith business dealings with them?

They mention JayZ, Roc Nation, Tidal, etc, etc and do not even know how these are connected and/or who owns what.

So there is no clear structure.

And that means they are shady.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #463 posted 05/28/18 6:35pm

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udo said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Tidal was NEVER shady to P.

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Pwha!

Did you ever read them papers dealingwith business dealings with them?

They mention JayZ, Roc Nation, Tidal, etc, etc and do not even know how these are connected and/or who owns what.

So there is no clear structure.

And that means they are shady.

Prince RARELY if not at all signed contracts in his last years on earth. He was deathly afraid of them.Because of being burned in the past. He had many deals on the table,at the time of him transitioning. That could have made him a LOT more money. His deal with JAY-Z was a handshake deal. Which is why it took so long to prove to The Estate.

Prince said out of his own mouth "Tidal is sinking money into Hit N Run, and they need it. And my heart is always on because I want them to do well. [ JAY-Z] have taken a lot of abuse, their family has. we go about our business. But we’ll do another one(HIT N RUN 3)."

Shady can be described for almost every record label & music streaming company. Even Taylor Swift has taken ALL her music off of Spotfy.

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
"eye don't think about gone just think about the future when eye don't want 2 speak n real time" prince 2004
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Reply #464 posted 05/28/18 8:22pm

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

Prince RARELY if not at all signed contracts in his last years on earth. He was deathly afraid of them.Because of being burned in the past. He had many deals on the table,at the time of him transitioning. That could have made him a LOT more money. His deal with JAY-Z was a handshake deal. Which is why it took so long to prove to The Estate.

Prince said out of his own mouth "Tidal is sinking money into Hit N Run, and they need it. And my heart is always on because I want them to do well. [ JAY-Z] have taken a lot of abuse, their family has. we go about our business. But we’ll do another one(HIT N RUN 3)."

Shady can be described for almost every record label & music streaming company. Even Taylor Swift has taken ALL her music off of Spotfy.

You're joking, right?

The Court documents mention a forged document but Phaedra went over to the dark side of Tidal to save her azzhat, and the Estate thought it would be better to settle than to litigate long term.

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Reply #465 posted 05/29/18 12:42am

JorisE73

ChocolateBox3121 said:

JorisE73 said:


It's indeed bad.

Maybe PRince got paid upfront for 3 albums on Tidal that's why The Estate cut this deal with them, so that's why I hope The Estate drops Tidal after the 2019 release. The Estate shouldn't deal with shady busineses like that.

Tidal was NEVER shady to P.


I wasn't there to know what their deal was but I do know Tidal was trying to scam The Estate with faked documents and them posting bootlegs on Tidal after Prince died is shady enough for me.

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Reply #466 posted 05/29/18 12:44am

JorisE73

udo said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Tidal was NEVER shady to P.

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Pwha!

Did you ever read them papers dealingwith business dealings with them?

They mention JayZ, Roc Nation, Tidal, etc, etc and do not even know how these are connected and/or who owns what.

So there is no clear structure.

And that means they are shady.


yeahthat

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Reply #467 posted 05/29/18 12:45am

JorisE73

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Prince RARELY if not at all signed contracts in his last years on earth. He was deathly afraid of them.Because of being burned in the past. He had many deals on the table,at the time of him transitioning. That could have made him a LOT more money. His deal with JAY-Z was a handshake deal. Which is why it took so long to prove to The Estate.

Prince said out of his own mouth "Tidal is sinking money into Hit N Run, and they need it. And my heart is always on because I want them to do well. [ JAY-Z] have taken a lot of abuse, their family has. we go about our business. But we’ll do another one(HIT N RUN 3)."

Shady can be described for almost every record label & music streaming company. Even Taylor Swift has taken ALL her music off of Spotfy.

You're joking, right?

The Court documents mention a forged document but Phaedra went over to the dark side of Tidal to save her azzhat, and the Estate thought it would be better to settle than to litigate long term.


yeahthat again.

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Reply #468 posted 05/29/18 8:53am

DBW

cool I would like to see TIMBALAND inveolved in this process. He helped on a Michael Jackson project a couple years ago and the songs were fantastic. He certainly would do a Prince release of unreleased songs justice. W/O a doubt!!!!!

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Sounds promising....especially that they said the Vault tapes seem to not be in too bad shape!

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Reply #469 posted 05/29/18 9:40am

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DBW said:

cool I would like to see TIMBALAND inveolved in this process. He helped on a Michael Jackson project a couple years ago and the songs were fantastic. He certainly would do a Prince release of unreleased songs justice. W/O a doubt!!!!!

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Sounds promising....especially that they said the Vault tapes seem to not be in too bad shape!



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Reply #470 posted 05/29/18 10:13am

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I would definitely not like to see that thieving prick Timbaland involved.

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Reply #471 posted 05/29/18 10:17am

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DBW said:

cool I would like to see TIMBALAND inveolved in this process. He helped on a Michael Jackson project a couple years ago and the songs were fantastic. He certainly would do a Prince release of unreleased songs justice. W/O a doubt!!!!!

TheFreakerFantastic said:

Sounds promising....especially that they said the Vault tapes seem to not be in too bad shape!


No! no no no!

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Reply #472 posted 05/29/18 12:17pm

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it needs to be a fan involved.....not someone looking to make money

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Reply #473 posted 05/29/18 6:09pm

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IstenSzek said:

DBW said:

cool I would like to see TIMBALAND inveolved in this process. He helped on a Michael Jackson project a couple years ago and the songs were fantastic. He certainly would do a Prince release of unreleased songs justice. W/O a doubt!!!!!



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Reply #474 posted 05/30/18 12:12am

JorisE73

DBW said:

cool I would like to see TIMBALAND inveolved in this process. He helped on a Michael Jackson project a couple years ago and the songs were fantastic. He certainly would do a Prince release of unreleased songs justice. W/O a doubt!!!!!


This is a joke right? The Timbaland MJ stuff was pure shit. Timbaland should stay away from anything conected to musical artists and just hangout and work with shit like Justin Timberland or Bruno Mars or something else equally shit.

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Reply #475 posted 05/30/18 8:39am

Strive

All I can think of is that one interview where Prince talked about how he delivered Warner (what he thought was) the greatest song he had ever created, Eye Hate U, and Warner went 'yeah, great. let's get puff daddy to remix it' lol
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Reply #476 posted 05/30/18 10:16am

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ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Prince RARELY if not at all signed contracts in his last years on earth. He was deathly afraid of them.Because of being burned in the past. He had many deals on the table,at the time of him transitioning. That could have made him a LOT more money. His deal with JAY-Z was a handshake deal. Which is why it took so long to prove to The Estate.

Prince said out of his own mouth "Tidal is sinking money into Hit N Run, and they need it. And my heart is always on because I want them to do well. [ JAY-Z] have taken a lot of abuse, their family has. we go about our business. But we’ll do another one(HIT N RUN 3)."

Shady can be described for almost every record label & music streaming company. Even Taylor Swift has taken ALL her music off of Spotfy.

You're joking, right?

The Court documents mention a forged document but Phaedra went over to the dark side of Tidal to save her azzhat, and the Estate thought it would be better to settle than to litigate long term.

That doesn't change the fact that JAY-Z & TIDAL made Prince VERY happy and satisfied in his last year on earth. All I cared about was his happiness. As long as his wish of owing Tidal another new album is being carried out it's really ALL I care about. I'm sure U and everyone else will be right over there listening to it next year.

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances."prince 1985
"eye don't think about gone just think about the future when eye don't want 2 speak n real time" prince 2004
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Reply #477 posted 05/30/18 11:22am

luvsexy4all

i think people have a misconception of what it means that prince was happy with tidal....i think it means they served their purpose for the time being

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Reply #478 posted 05/31/18 2:41am

JorisE73

ChocolateBox3121 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

You're joking, right?

The Court documents mention a forged document but Phaedra went over to the dark side of Tidal to save her azzhat, and the Estate thought it would be better to settle than to litigate long term.

That doesn't change the fact that JAY-Z & TIDAL made Prince VERY happy and satisfied in his last year on earth. All I cared about was his happiness. As long as his wish of owing Tidal another new album is being carried out it's really ALL I care about. I'm sure U and everyone else will be right over there listening to it next year.


I doubt it. The moment it hits Tidal after 5 minutes it will be all over the web in torrent form or otherwise like all the other Tidal exclusives. Or even better it will leak before Tidal has it up like some of there previous exclusive releases.

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Reply #479 posted 05/31/18 7:28am

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JorisE73 said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

That doesn't change the fact that JAY-Z & TIDAL made Prince VERY happy and satisfied in his last year on earth. All I cared about was his happiness. As long as his wish of owing Tidal another new album is being carried out it's really ALL I care about. I'm sure U and everyone else will be right over there listening to it next year.


I doubt it. The moment it hits Tidal after 5 minutes it will be all over the web in torrent form or otherwise like all the other Tidal exclusives. Or even better it will leak before Tidal has it up like some of there previous exclusive releases.


Since there will be a CD, I have ZERO reason or interest to stream it from or buy a download from, Tidal. It sounds like Tidal gets a piece of the CD release, if so, sure, they'll get some money from me. But I won't be paying them to listen to it in the 'digital only' window... I'll get a pirate copy to hold me over till the CD is available and only THEN will I part with my $ for a (physical) copy. Just sayin'...

I bought the Tidal exclusive single downloads, but, they never came out on CD. Why pay for digital when physical is or will be available? I'm sure as hell not paying twice!


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