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Reply #330 posted 05/07/18 3:26pm

IstenSzek

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williamb610 said:

IstenSzek said:


personally, i'm thinking if this next release fails to shift a significant number of copies or doesn't
generate a 'hit' single, with the help of some corporate push behind it, it might be a good thing
for us in the long run.

if they can't get single albums of material THEY THINK will appeal, to sell large enough numbers,
they might start listening to the left over actual fanbase and do projects WE want.

no more bullshit along the lines of there were 200+ songs we shifted through and these ten are
the ones we felt most excited about to let the fans hear.

naw betch, just release those 200 songs in a boxset and we will buy it. when are they going to
realise that the fans actually kept up with prince's many releases and can handle more than 1
disc each 18 months?

Hear, hear! I'm with IstenSzek.

We want all of Prince's shit, NOW...and not later!

Is your name a play on "listen a sec" or what?


no lol it's 2 words, isten and szek. it's from bram stoker's dracula.


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Reply #331 posted 05/08/18 3:44pm

luvsexy4all

no ones listening....does the estate really think they will make more money with the NEXT generation???

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Reply #332 posted 05/08/18 4:49pm

IstenSzek

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luvsexy4all said:

no ones listening....does the estate really think they will make more money with the NEXT generation???


that's what i'm thinking too. the general public had no interest in prince's albums and singles
when he was stlll here, releasing them and (somewhat) promoting them and touring.

who are all these people in the general public or all these new fans that people seem to think
will come flocking to buy whatever 80s material warners and the estate will release?

it's one thing for a video to get a million views on youtube, pretty much any big name gets up
to a couple of mil these days -and releasing 'nothing compares 2 u' had the novelty factor of it
being a well known prince penned song, but now the prince version.

however, going forward, if warners keep promoting the 'new' stuff like they did PR deluxe or
the nothing compares 2 u single (in other words almost no promotion or effort at all) i can't
see how anyone beyond us (the actual fans) and say 5% of the general public will even realise
stuff is being released and even less of the general public will actually buy it.

people will listen to stuff on spotify just to check it out but the actual money from sales, as far
as actualy record sales still make any kind of notable income, will have to be coming in from
us, the longtime fans.




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Reply #333 posted 05/08/18 5:07pm

PurpleBlackmon

I hope it has the 1983 version of extra loveable on it

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Reply #334 posted 05/08/18 5:28pm

IstenSzek

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PurpleBlackmon said:

I hope it has the 1983 version of extra loveable on it


honestly, i wouldn't mind if it was an album with stuff like "extraloveable" and "purple music"
and "lust u always" on it. if it's all in great, great soundquality, it would be amazing to have
all those kind of tracks together on an album -especially if prince sort of kind of halfway did
group those songs together. but either way, it's not a major gripe for me if releases from the
vault contain some material we've known for decades or so, as long as the quality is great
and the project is somewhat cohesive and includes a few surprised we've never heard yet or
didn't even know anything about, it's all good imo.


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Reply #335 posted 05/08/18 5:57pm

206Michelle

IstenSzek said:

luvsexy4all said:

no ones listening....does the estate really think they will make more money with the NEXT generation???


that's what i'm thinking too. the general public had no interest in prince's albums and singles
when he was stlll here, releasing them and (somewhat) promoting them and touring.

who are all these people in the general public or all these new fans that people seem to think
will come flocking to buy whatever 80s material warners and the estate will release?

it's one thing for a video to get a million views on youtube, pretty much any big name gets up
to a couple of mil these days -and releasing 'nothing compares 2 u' had the novelty factor of it
being a well known prince penned song, but now the prince version.

however, going forward, if warners keep promoting the 'new' stuff like they did PR deluxe or
the nothing compares 2 u single (in other words almost no promotion or effort at all) i can't
see how anyone beyond us (the actual fans) and say 5% of the general public will even realise
stuff is being released and even less of the general public will actually buy it.

people will listen to stuff on spotify just to check it out but the actual money from sales, as far
as actualy record sales still make any kind of notable income, will have to be coming in from
us, the longtime fans.




The video of Nothing Compares 2 U released this past month (April 2018) already has 4 million + views on YouTube after less than 3 weeks there.

Live 4 Love ~ Love is God, God is love, Girls and boys love God above
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Reply #336 posted 05/08/18 7:04pm

IstenSzek

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206Michelle said:

IstenSzek said:


that's what i'm thinking too. the general public had no interest in prince's albums and singles
when he was stlll here, releasing them and (somewhat) promoting them and touring.

who are all these people in the general public or all these new fans that people seem to think
will come flocking to buy whatever 80s material warners and the estate will release?

it's one thing for a video to get a million views on youtube, pretty much any big name gets up
to a couple of mil these days -and releasing 'nothing compares 2 u' had the novelty factor of it
being a well known prince penned song, but now the prince version.

however, going forward, if warners keep promoting the 'new' stuff like they did PR deluxe or
the nothing compares 2 u single (in other words almost no promotion or effort at all) i can't
see how anyone beyond us (the actual fans) and say 5% of the general public will even realise
stuff is being released and even less of the general public will actually buy it.

people will listen to stuff on spotify just to check it out but the actual money from sales, as far
as actualy record sales still make any kind of notable income, will have to be coming in from
us, the longtime fans.




The video of Nothing Compares 2 U released this past month (April 2018) already has 4 million + views on YouTube after less than 3 weeks there.


cool i stand corrected smile

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Reply #337 posted 05/08/18 7:11pm

ChocolateBox31
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IstenSzek said:

luvsexy4all said:

no ones listening....does the estate really think they will make more money with the NEXT generation???


that's what i'm thinking too. the general public had no interest in prince's albums and singles
when he was stlll here, releasing them and (somewhat) promoting them and touring.

who are all these people in the general public or all these new fans that people seem to think
will come flocking to buy whatever 80s material warners and the estate will release?

it's one thing for a video to get a million views on youtube, pretty much any big name gets up
to a couple of mil these days -and releasing 'nothing compares 2 u' had the novelty factor of it
being a well known prince penned song, but now the prince version.

however, going forward, if warners keep promoting the 'new' stuff like they did PR deluxe or
the nothing compares 2 u single (in other words almost no promotion or effort at all) i can't
see how anyone beyond us (the actual fans) and say 5% of the general public will even realise
stuff is being released and even less of the general public will actually buy it.

people will listen to stuff on spotify just to check it out but the actual money from sales, as far
as actualy record sales still make any kind of notable income, will have to be coming in from
us, the longtime fans.




rolleyes

Prince SOLD more albums than ANY other artist in 2016. Case closed,

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
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Reply #338 posted 05/08/18 9:34pm

udo

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

Prince SOLD more albums than ANY other artist in 2016. Case closed,

.

Proof? (or rather: who mentioned where that this is a fact?)

And what about 2017 and 12018 and beyond?

Or rather: how much has his death influenced sales on the short term versus the longer term?

Or even: how timeless are his songs, his vault material?

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #339 posted 05/09/18 12:45am

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udo said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

Prince SOLD more albums than ANY other artist in 2016. Case closed,

.

Proof? (or rather: who mentioned where that this is a fact?)

And what about 2017 and 12018 and beyond?

Or rather: how much has his death influenced sales on the short term versus the longer term?

Or even: how timeless are his songs, his vault material?

Prince Sold More Albums Than Any Other Artist in 2016

In the year after Prince's death on April 21, 2016, the Purple One's catalog of albums and songs have sold a combined 7.7 million copies in the U.S., according to Nielsen Music, through the week ending April 13. Of that sum, 2.3 million were in traditional album sales, and 5.4 million were from digital song downloads.

The bulk of his album and songs sales occurred in the month after his death: 5.65 million were registered between April 21 and May 19, 2016.

Incredibly, for the full year of 2016, Prince sold more albums than any other artist -- even Adele -- with 2.23 million copies sold. (Adele sold 2.21 million albums last year.)

2016 was already almost half over when Prince transitioned. So he sold right into 2017.

2018 is NOT over yet.

[Snip - luv4u]

https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/7767819/prince-sold-more-albums-than-any-artist-2016

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
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Reply #340 posted 05/09/18 1:47am

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

IstenSzek said:

rolleyes

Prince SOLD more albums than ANY other artist in 2016. Case closed,

That was then.

This is now.

2 years already and counting...

-

time goes....................................faster than you think

-

Relatives, they want to to squeeze every penny out of every unreleased sound.

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
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Reply #341 posted 05/09/18 2:38am

Vannormal

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IstenSzek said:

luvsexy4all said:

no ones listening....does the estate really think they will make more money with the NEXT generation???


people will listen to stuff on spotify just to check it out but the actual money from sales, as far
as actualy record sales still make any kind of notable income, will have to be coming in from
us, the longtime fans.




That alone will generate $$.

Not to forget.

"...no matter what, all will be fine, always."
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Reply #342 posted 05/09/18 3:45am

peer1973

even maybe not into the 6 digit figures, but every re-release will generate profit.

Why would Universal continue to re-release all those superdeluxe editions, for virtually every single artist in their catalogue.

Now this is prince, the production costs shouldn't be that high compared to (potential) sales.

they should only treat it as a niche market, keep initital volumes low, and add to production numbers, on lower availabilty compared to demand.

there's money to be made, and fans to please....if they drop the idea to make millions on it.

CD's still sell in volumes to make a profit.

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Reply #343 posted 05/09/18 4:25am

AndrewMc

Dandroppedadime said:

I think the next release will be something along the lines of a compilation of 80s tracks, with a title that will sell well and give an indication of its content. ‘Purple Music’ would be a great title that encapsulates the era and reminds the masses of purple rain. The song purple music would have to be on it, but a studio version of purple rain would be a big selling point! Manic Monday, nc2u, kiss with alternate lyrics perhaps? This could be big if the right songs are selected.

Possibly - also they might release a version of The Family with Prince's vocals and mix before Paul's.....along with some additional era tracks. It's a top album and I've not heard the Prince guide vocal for Mutiny, which would be fantastic.

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Reply #344 posted 05/09/18 5:04am

love2thenines2
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AndrewMc said:



Dandroppedadime said:


I think the next release will be something along the lines of a compilation of 80s tracks, with a title that will sell well and give an indication of its content. ‘Purple Music’ would be a great title that encapsulates the era and reminds the masses of purple rain. The song purple music would have to be on it, but a studio version of purple rain would be a big selling point! Manic Monday, nc2u, kiss with alternate lyrics perhaps? This could be big if the right songs are selected.

Possibly - also they might release a version of The Family with Prince's vocals and mix before Paul's.....along with some additional era tracks. It's a top album and I've not heard the Prince guide vocal for Mutiny, which would be fantastic.



MUTINY with Prince's vocal is circulating for years!
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Reply #345 posted 05/09/18 6:03am

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AndrewMc said:

Dandroppedadime said:

I think the next release will be something along the lines of a compilation of 80s tracks, with a title that will sell well and give an indication of its content. ‘Purple Music’ would be a great title that encapsulates the era and reminds the masses of purple rain. The song purple music would have to be on it, but a studio version of purple rain would be a big selling point! Manic Monday, nc2u, kiss with alternate lyrics perhaps? This could be big if the right songs are selected.

Possibly - also they might release a version of The Family with Prince's vocals and mix before Paul's.....along with some additional era tracks. It's a top album and I've not heard the Prince guide vocal for Mutiny, which would be fantastic.

I do want those tracks to be released but I do not think that is what this is. At least I hope not.

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Reply #346 posted 05/09/18 6:09am

JorisE73

OnlyNDaUsa said:

AndrewMc said:

Possibly - also they might release a version of The Family with Prince's vocals and mix before Paul's.....along with some additional era tracks. It's a top album and I've not heard the Prince guide vocal for Mutiny, which would be fantastic.

I do want those tracks to be released but I do not think that is what this is. At least I hope not.


I thnk it will be some inchoherent collection of outtakes from his entire carreer, so no proper chronological and proper sorted archive release. But just a 'Greatest unreleased Hits' type of thing.

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Reply #347 posted 05/09/18 6:34am

IstenSzek

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peer1973 said:

even maybe not into the 6 digit figures, but every re-release will generate profit.

Why would Universal continue to re-release all those superdeluxe editions, for virtually every single artist in their catalogue.

Now this is prince, the production costs shouldn't be that high compared to (potential) sales.

they should only treat it as a niche market, keep initital volumes low, and add to production numbers, on lower availabilty compared to demand.

there's money to be made, and fans to please....if they drop the idea to make millions on it.

CD's still sell in volumes to make a profit.


that's all i'm trying to say. nod

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Reply #348 posted 05/09/18 7:05am

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djThunderfunk said:

dustoff said:

Just curious. Hypothetically, if the release (or any official release) were made up ONLY of songs that most collectors might already have -- but in good shape -- would that be a disappointment? If there was a killer compilation with, say, "I Wonder" and "In a Room With No Light" and "Purple Music" and "Wally" and all that, would that be for most fans a good thing, or a bummer?

(And I know that the upcoming release won't be that -- just idle curiosity here.)



Getting upset that official releases contain tracks we've already heard on bootlegs is asinine. We knew that we were essentially consuming "spoilers" but chose to keep on doing so. Many will get mad if a new 12 track CD contains 8 tracks we already have, but, who's fault is that? It's like a kid who peaks at his Christmas presents and then gets disappointed on Christmas morning because there are no surprises.

Perfectly stated.

I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore...
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Reply #349 posted 05/09/18 7:10am

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Musze said:

djThunderfunk said:


Getting upset that official releases contain tracks we've already heard on bootlegs is asinine. We knew that we were essentially consuming "spoilers" but chose to keep on doing so. Many will get mad if a new 12 track CD contains 8 tracks we already have, but, who's fault is that? It's like a kid who peaks at his Christmas presents and then gets disappointed on Christmas morning because there are no surprises.

Perfectly stated.

it is the deal we made. I was not happy with 4Ever but I still bought it (but never opened it)... even if it is something I have had for years (Like 8-3-1983 or 6-7-1984 audio) and was not all that blown away by *I am not as into live stuff as I am studio* I will still get it.

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Reply #350 posted 05/09/18 7:12am

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soladeo1 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

if they do a 1999 deluxe I want the other version of Possessed on it

Regarding a 1999 Deluxe how does this look?? D1: 1999 Little Red Corvette Delirious Let's Pretend We're Married D.M.S.R. Automatic Something In The Water (Does Not Compute) Free Lady Cab Driver All The Critics Love U In New York International Lover CD2: Purple Music How Come U Don't Call Me Anymore? Lust U Always Possessed (Alernate Version) Horny Toad You're All I Want Turn It Up U Should Be Mine Yah, U Know If It'll Make U Happy Don't Let Him Fool Ya Fox Trap No Call U Moonbean Levels Plus 1 concert: 3 March 1983: Bloo

I really, really want a full version of IF IT'LL MAKE U HAPPY in my life. lol

I Love U, But I Don't Trust U Anymore...
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Reply #351 posted 05/09/18 7:38am

udo

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ChocolateBox3121 said:


[Snip - luv4u]

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WTF!?
I ask simple questions about facts and you try to turn this into something personal?

Please explain your fan-thing here before even trying to put somebody else down because of their so called lack of fan-thing going on.

That is so weak, and weak it is.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #352 posted 05/09/18 7:52am

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IstenSzek said:

williamb610 said:

Hear, hear! I'm with IstenSzek.

We want all of Prince's shit, NOW...and not later!

Is your name a play on "listen a sec" or what?


no lol it's 2 words, isten and szek. it's from bram stoker's dracula.


Lol My name is from Dracula too (obviously!)

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Reply #353 posted 05/09/18 7:55am

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udo said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:


[Snip - luv4u]

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WTF!?
I ask simple questions about facts and you try to turn this into something personal?

Please explain your fan-thing here before even trying to put somebody else down because of their so called lack of fan-thing going on.

That is so weak, and weak it is.

[Snip - luv4u]

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
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Reply #354 posted 05/09/18 8:11am

udo

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ChocolateBox3121 said:

udo said:


That is so weak, and weak it is.

[Snip - luv4u]

.

Where does that answer my questions about your question about my fandom?

Time is progressing.

Fans get older.

Fams get older.

Youngsters listen to different stuff.

So they better hurry if they want to sell.

.

[Snip - luv4u].

.

Where did I insinuate anything?

Please clarify your baseless accusations.

Pills and thrills and daffodils will kill... If you don't believe me or don't get it, I don't have time to try to convince you, sorry.
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Reply #355 posted 05/09/18 10:55am

luvsexy4all

ChocolateBox3121 said:

IstenSzek said:


that's what i'm thinking too. the general public had no interest in prince's albums and singles
when he was stlll here, releasing them and (somewhat) promoting them and touring.

who are all these people in the general public or all these new fans that people seem to think
will come flocking to buy whatever 80s material warners and the estate will release?

it's one thing for a video to get a million views on youtube, pretty much any big name gets up
to a couple of mil these days -and releasing 'nothing compares 2 u' had the novelty factor of it
being a well known prince penned song, but now the prince version.

however, going forward, if warners keep promoting the 'new' stuff like they did PR deluxe or
the nothing compares 2 u single (in other words almost no promotion or effort at all) i can't
see how anyone beyond us (the actual fans) and say 5% of the general public will even realise
stuff is being released and even less of the general public will actually buy it.

people will listen to stuff on spotify just to check it out but the actual money from sales, as far
as actualy record sales still make any kind of notable income, will have to be coming in from
us, the longtime fans.




rolleyes

Prince SOLD more albums than ANY other artist in 2016. Case closed,

but THAT was just people buying a dead artist...

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Reply #356 posted 05/09/18 11:26am

luvsexy4all

imagine if this happened when CDs were STILL the no1 media?? would they have flooded the market ???

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Reply #357 posted 05/09/18 11:52am

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luvsexy4all said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

rolleyes

Prince SOLD more albums than ANY other artist in 2016. Case closed,

but THAT was just people buying a dead artist...

disbelief

I swear this place is SO disrespectful.

"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
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Reply #358 posted 05/09/18 12:06pm

luvsexy4all

ChocolateBox3121 said:

luvsexy4all said:

but THAT was just people buying a dead artist...

disbelief

I swear this place is SO disrespectful.

no ..it isnt..it wasnt his "fans" buying all those cds etc

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Reply #359 posted 05/09/18 2:42pm

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luvsexy4all said:

ChocolateBox3121 said:

disbelief

I swear this place is SO disrespectful.

no ..it isnt..it wasnt his "fans" buying all those cds etc

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"4 all of us, life is death without adventure,& adventure only comes 2 those who are willing 2 b daring & take chances." prince AMA's 1985
“When eye say, ‘eye own “Purple Rain,” eye sound like Kanye.” He paused.“Who eye consider a friend.”
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