TrivialPursuit said:

214 said:

Horrible configuration yours.

There was a thread recently asking an interesting question I'd never thought of; how Sign O' The Times (the song) went from being 'just an album track' on Dream Factory to the title track/lead single/tour name monster it become.

TrivialPursuit said:

Just for technical sake, the album is barely over the 80 minutes of a CD anyway, so a shortened "IGBABN" or removing something like "IT" would have made it a single album anyway.

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Simply removing the silence inbetween the tracks should cut it down to just below 80 minutes. Wikipedia has its length as 79:52, but I'm not sure how that was calculated. This Wikipedia article lists several CDs that are 80+ minutes long.

BartVanHemelen said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Just for technical sake, the album is barely over the 80 minutes of a CD anyway, so a shortened "IGBABN" or removing something like "IT" would have made it a single album anyway.

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Simply removing the silence inbetween the tracks should cut it down to just below 80 minutes. Wikipedia has its length as 79:52, but I'm not sure how that was calculated. This Wikipedia article lists several CDs that are 80+ minutes long.

It is possible to overburn a CD if the blocks are available.

This can become a problem as some players won't then play the CD.

I agree that certainly the lead-time can be cut down as sometimes it's way too long.

BartVanHemelen said:

If you had to squeeze a single album onto vinyl (max 25 mins a side), then I don't think I could better this.......

Side 1

Sign O The Times (4:57)

Housequake (4:42)

The Ballad of Dorothy Parker (4:01)

Starfish & Coffee (2:50)

Strange Relationship (4:01)

Forever In My Life (3.30)

Side 2

U Got The Look (3:47)

If I was Your Girlfriend (4:55)

I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (4.01 Edit)

The Cross (4:41)

Adore (6.29)

dodger said:

There was a thread recently asking an interesting question I'd never thought of; how Sign O' The Times (the song) went from being 'just an album track' on Dream Factory to the title track/lead single/tour name monster it become.

I think I was part of that, or at least read it.

SquirrelMeat said:

If you had to squeeze a single album onto vinyl (max 25 mins a side), then I don't think I could better this.......

Side 1

Sign O The Times (4:57)

Housequake (4:42)

The Ballad of Dorothy Parker (4:01)

Starfish & Coffee (2:50)

Strange Relationship (4:01)

Forever In My Life (3.30)

Side 2

U Got The Look (3:47)

If I was Your Girlfriend (4:55)

I Could Never Take The Place Of Your Man (4.01 Edit)

The Cross (4:41)

Adore (6.29)

This is the best so far.

Shockadelica is such a great song that it should have been in the original album.

THe thing is, i've always heard (not just played) this album as a single album because it isn't really all that much longer than an album like Love Symbol. I have so many albums on CD which are the same running length of 'Sign O' and are issued as single albums (Guns n Roses, Metallica, Michael Jackson, Oasis...).

I always assumed that this album was assembled as a double set because of the limitations of the format at the time rather than consciously splitting the album up as two individual sets of music in the one package. It feels and flows like a single album when both discs are played as a singular listen.

IDK about a single album, but what I think Prince should and possibly could have talked WB into doing would have been to release CB as the triple album Prince intended, but on a limited edition basis, and make the main release a shorter, single LP version of it, with all 4 singles on it, one of which that would have been exclusive to that particular release (U Got The Look for example).

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It would have been a win-win: Prince would have had his 3 LPs masterpiece out for critics to review and fans to enjoy, fans would have had to buy both versions or the exclusive single to have all the tracks, the general public would have had a cheaper, easier to absord single LP, and WB would have made lotsa dough.

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Now I guess no one thought of that at the time, and even if Prince did, he may have favored having a single, even if amputated, album as a definitive statement than 2 versions of it. But I think it may have changed the face of History if CB had been released as a whole at the time.

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if 1999 was a triple album...if purple rain was quadruple album.....if your momma wore blue suede shooes.....bastanza

214 said:

Shockadelica is such a great song that it should have been in the original album.

said it many times, his b-sides were better than most of the album in those days, we can only figure that maybe he didn't have the songs done by the release time. who knows. How come you don't call me anymore, she's always in my hair belong on an album as any classic for any artist should be, not as the b-side which is usually designated as being for throwaways.

PeteSilas said:

214 said:

Shockadelica is such a great song that it should have been in the original album.

said it many times, his b-sides were better than most of the album in those days, we can only figure that maybe he didn't have the songs done by the release time. who knows. How come you don't call me anymore, she's always in my hair belong on an album as any classic for any artist should be, not as the b-side which is usually designated as being for throwaways.

We don't need to "figure", we pretty much know what was recorded when.

databank said:

IDK about a single album, but what I think Prince should and possibly could have talked WB into doing would have been to release CB as the triple album Prince intended, but on a limited edition basis, and make the main release a shorter, single LP version of it, with all 4 singles on it, one of which that would have been exclusive to that particular release (U Got The Look for example).

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It would have been a win-win: Prince would have had his 3 LPs masterpiece out for critics to review and fans to enjoy, fans would have had to buy both versions or the exclusive single to have all the tracks, the general public would have had a cheaper, easier to absord single LP, and WB would have made lotsa dough.

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Now I guess no one thought of that at the time, and even if Prince did, he may have favored having a single, even if amputated, album as a definitive statement than 2 versions of it. But I think it may have changed the face of History if CB had been released as a whole at the time.

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Wouldn't have happened. These two albums would compete with each other WRT chart performance. It would have been complicated to promote, etc. I doubt you can find similar examples from that era or earlier. Consider that years later something like GNR's Use Your Illusion I & II was mocked and criticized, despite only sharing one song (and different versions of it), this would have been waaay worse.

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How would you even promote it? "This is Prince's masterpiece, but if you're too poor or stupid to digest 3LPs, you can opt for the 1LP version, which is a masterpiece as well! And the 1LP version contains a great song that isn't on the 3LP version for... uhm... reasons, but it is just as great!"

BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

IDK about a single album, but what I think Prince should and possibly could have talked WB into doing would have been to release CB as the triple album Prince intended, but on a limited edition basis, and make the main release a shorter, single LP version of it, with all 4 singles on it, one of which that would have been exclusive to that particular release (U Got The Look for example).

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It would have been a win-win: Prince would have had his 3 LPs masterpiece out for critics to review and fans to enjoy, fans would have had to buy both versions or the exclusive single to have all the tracks, the general public would have had a cheaper, easier to absord single LP, and WB would have made lotsa dough.

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Now I guess no one thought of that at the time, and even if Prince did, he may have favored having a single, even if amputated, album as a definitive statement than 2 versions of it. But I think it may have changed the face of History if CB had been released as a whole at the time.

[Edited 4/6/18 5:46am]

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Wouldn't have happened. These two albums would compete with each other WRT chart performance. It would have been complicated to promote, etc. I doubt you can find similar examples from that era or earlier. Consider that years later something like GNR's Use Your Illusion I & II was mocked and criticized, despite only sharing one song (and different versions of it), this would have been waaay worse.

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How would you even promote it? "This is Prince's masterpiece, but if you're too poor or stupid to digest 3LPs, you can opt for the 1LP version, which is a masterpiece as well! And the 1LP version contains a great song that isn't on the 3LP version for... uhm... reasons, but it is just as great!"

If marketing was honest, yeah, that's exactly how

But yeah, maybe at that time the market wasn't ready. A decade later those things were more common.

databank said:

But yeah, maybe at that time the market wasn't ready. A decade later those things were more common.

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Unless you're talking about archive releases, where you have a deluxe box set for the uberfans and an easily digestable release for the regular folks, this still isn't happening. The rest of it is the usual "deluxe edition with a couple of bonus tracks" versions of new albums. I cannot recall any instance where an artist has done anything like you describe.

BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

But yeah, maybe at that time the market wasn't ready. A decade later those things were more common.

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Unless you're talking about archive releases, where you have a deluxe box set for the uberfans and an easily digestable release for the regular folks, this still isn't happening. The rest of it is the usual "deluxe edition with a couple of bonus tracks" versions of new albums. I cannot recall any instance where an artist has done anything like you describe.

The closest I can think of is the 3LP Sandinista! by the Clash had a promo release sent to radio stations called Sandinista Now! that condensed the most commercial songs (sorta) onto one vinyl, but that was just a promo.

In modern times, Robyn's Body Talk 1, 2 and 3 were condensed into a single release afterwards (or, more accurately, at the time of release of Body Talk 3). That's probably a method that would have suited Prince but not so much the market in the 80's.

Personally i'm of the opinion that while all the tracks from Crystal Ball deserved an official release at the time SOTT has a better flow to it. But maybe that's just from listening to it so many times.

[Edited 4/12/18 2:56am]

BartVanHemelen said:

databank said:

But yeah, maybe at that time the market wasn't ready. A decade later those things were more common.

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Unless you're talking about archive releases, where you have a deluxe box set for the uberfans and an easily digestable release for the regular folks, this still isn't happening. The rest of it is the usual "deluxe edition with a couple of bonus tracks" versions of new albums. I cannot recall any instance where an artist has done anything like you describe.

In terms of exactly what I describe, I can only think of Bootsy releasing both a double and single CD version of his 1998 in Europe, though I'm sure I know a few other examples of an album being available in single and double formats but I can't recall any now. I also know a number of albums that were released in a limited 2-CD's edition alongside the regular 1 CD version, with the 2nd CD consisting mostly of remixes and/or live stuff (as opposed to a longer version of the album).

databank said:

PeteSilas said:

said it many times, his b-sides were better than most of the album in those days, we can only figure that maybe he didn't have the songs done by the release time. who knows. How come you don't call me anymore, she's always in my hair belong on an album as any classic for any artist should be, not as the b-side which is usually designated as being for throwaways.

We don't need to "figure", we pretty much know what was recorded when.

ok, einstein, oh erudite one, i should say i was speaking for myself then, i don't always look at all the recording logs. so, am i right or wrong, do tell, without looking at your voluminous refs.

PeteSilas said:

databank said:

We don't need to "figure", we pretty much know what was recorded when.

ok, einstein, oh erudite one, i should say i was speaking for myself then, i don't always look at all the recording logs. so, am i right or wrong, do tell, without looking at your voluminous refs.

You made a statement. It was wrong. I told you so in a "matter-of-fact" manner, without making any comment about you, or passing any judgement upon you, and here you are throwing up on me. If you don't know shit about the topic at hand, then either don't discuss it at all, or rejoice when knowlegeable people share their knowledge with you. Besides, you've been on this board for ages so yes, I expected you of all people to have at least heard of Uptown Magazine, Per Nislen, Princevault.com or Duane Tudahl's book.

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I really deplore that attitude you're displaying here, which basically means "we are ignorant and proud of it, don't you educated people dare tell us when we are ignorant because ignorance is our God-given right, and the sooner we'll be rid of you knowledgeable people, the sooner we can implement our dumb rule on a dumb world".

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This kind of attitude is really doing a lot of harm in the world today. I hope with all my heart that you don't have children if you're going to educate them like this. We need more knowledge, not less.

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Now go to your bedroom and think about what you did.

These songs have a more stripped, almost quiet vibe to them, feels almost late 60s early 70s

Sign o the Times

Starfish & Coffee
The Ballad of Dorothy Parker

It

Forever In My Life
Strange Relationship (using the Dream Factory version)
I Could Never Take the Place of Your Man

The Cross

These songs have a more upbeat louder energy to them

Play In the Sunshine
Housequake

U Got the Look
The Ballad of Dorothy Parker

If I Was Your Girlfriend

Strange Relationship

Hot Thang
Adore

databank said:

PeteSilas said:

ok, einstein, oh erudite one, i should say i was speaking for myself then, i don't always look at all the recording logs. so, am i right or wrong, do tell, without looking at your voluminous refs.

You made a statement. It was wrong. I told you so in a "matter-of-fact" manner, without making any comment about you, or passing any judgement upon you, and here you are throwing up on me. If you don't know shit about the topic at hand, then either don't discuss it at all, or rejoice when knowlegeable people share their knowledge with you. Besides, you've been on this board for ages so yes, I expected you of all people to have at least heard of Uptown Magazine, Per Nislen, Princevault.com or Duane Tudahl's book.

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I really deplore that attitude you're displaying here, which basically means "we are ignorant and proud of it, don't you educated people dare tell us when we are ignorant because ignorance is our God-given right, and the sooner we'll be rid of you knowledgeable people, the sooner we can implement our dumb rule on a dumb world".

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This kind of attitude is really doing a lot of harm in the world today. I hope with all my heart that you don't have children if you're going to educate them like this. We need more knowledge, not less.

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Now go to your bedroom and think about what you did.

ya i know, i'm as bad as trump. you didn't answer my question though did you? go to your room and think about that mr. minutiae. And I could car less about this world you and your people have created. You did it, clean up the mess.

PeteSilas said:

databank said:

You made a statement. It was wrong. I told you so in a "matter-of-fact" manner, without making any comment about you, or passing any judgement upon you, and here you are throwing up on me. If you don't know shit about the topic at hand, then either don't discuss it at all, or rejoice when knowlegeable people share their knowledge with you. Besides, you've been on this board for ages so yes, I expected you of all people to have at least heard of Uptown Magazine, Per Nislen, Princevault.com or Duane Tudahl's book.

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I really deplore that attitude you're displaying here, which basically means "we are ignorant and proud of it, don't you educated people dare tell us when we are ignorant because ignorance is our God-given right, and the sooner we'll be rid of you knowledgeable people, the sooner we can implement our dumb rule on a dumb world".

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This kind of attitude is really doing a lot of harm in the world today. I hope with all my heart that you don't have children if you're going to educate them like this. We need more knowledge, not less.

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Now go to your bedroom and think about what you did.

ya i know, i'm as bad as trump. you didn't answer my question though did you? go to your room and think about that mr. minutiae. And I could car less about this world you and your people have created. You did it, clean up the mess.

I don't remember telling you you were allowed out of your room yet, let alone answer back.

databank said:

PeteSilas said:

ya i know, i'm as bad as trump. you didn't answer my question though did you? go to your room and think about that mr. minutiae. And I could car less about this world you and your people have created. You did it, clean up the mess.

I don't remember telling you you were allowed out of your room yet, let alone answer back.

I'd like that kind of talk if you was a chick. well, you're close i guess.

PeteSilas said:

databank said:

I don't remember telling you you were allowed out of your room yet, let alone answer back.

I'd like that kind of talk if you was a chick. well, you're close i guess.

Like you said, it's the world we made, it's our world. We make the rules. You can chitchat all you want on the internet, scream and shout and whine on your social networks and message boards. You have fun. We got the dough. We got the education. We got the knowledge. We got the influence. We got the power. Fact is you're grounded. You always have been. You always will. You have fun with your conspiracy theories

databank said:

PeteSilas said:

I'd like that kind of talk if you was a chick. well, you're close i guess.

Like you said, it's the world we made, it's our world. We make the rules. You can chitchat all you want on the internet, scream and shout and whine on your social networks and message boards. You have fun. We got the dough. We got the education. We got the knowledge. We got the influence. We got the power. Fact is you're grounded. You always have been. You always will. You have fun with your conspiracy theories

uhhh, you don't know me, you don't even understand what i'm even saying, it's your world, i don't even want it and you wouldn't either if you knew where it was going. I'm like Prince, already done with this world, not done with god and life though, i don't need any of you for that.

PeteSilas said:

databank said:

Like you said, it's the world we made, it's our world. We make the rules. You can chitchat all you want on the internet, scream and shout and whine on your social networks and message boards. You have fun. We got the dough. We got the education. We got the knowledge. We got the influence. We got the power. Fact is you're grounded. You always have been. You always will. You have fun with your conspiracy theories

uhhh, you don't know me, you don't even understand what i'm even saying, it's your world, i don't even want it and you wouldn't either if you knew where it was going. I'm like Prince, already done with this world, not done with god and life though, i don't need any of you for that.

You don't know me either but it's nice. It doesn't change the fact that you flamed me for no reason in the first place, though. I'll leave that to you and God and life to sort out. Have a nice (grounded) weekend

databank said:

PeteSilas said:

I flamed you? Did you hit your head I didn't even address you first did I. I'll check

"ok, einstein, oh erudite one, i should say i was speaking for myself then, i don't always look at all the recording logs. so, am i right or wrong, do tell, without looking at your voluminous refs."