laurarichardson said:

The Voodoo doll was made as a joke by people in his clothes department and given to Karen as a gift. It does have racial overtones and the whole point of a voodoo doll is to do harm. Nothing positive about it at all. OldFriends4Sale said:

The issue is the voodoo doll was a toy, and nothing to be taken seriously

The story about the little box to spook MJ came from Quincy Jones

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And in 1980something Prince was not a hardcore Christian.

And Krattinger's race has absolutely nothing to do with it

The use of the doll(in Voodoo) is also used in other forms of 'earth magics' 'wiccan' etc And Voodoo is a combination of African(Yuroba) and European(Catholic)

so race has nothing to do with if Prince's personal assistant was entrusted with it. Because it was hers.

Yes he was, the song God was all about it. Annastesia is all about God. God is alive, shall I go on. Prince was raised 7th day adventist and also had Baptist leanings. He may have sung about sex and lust up to 2000 when he became a Jehovah's witness, but Prince has always been very Christian.

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Just a minute, its the Hard Copy/TMZ of the net - Laurarichardson, just stop already - not only are you wrong, but you are using racist white/Hollywood interpretations of something you know nothing about.

Voodoo does not have dolls, they have fetishes like dried up monkey skulls and things. Voodoo pin dolls are actually parts of WHITE European witchcraft rituals of the 1500 - 1750 period and have nothing to with African folk religions.

No it isn't, she wasn't trying to harm Prince and she wasn't being racial. What racial overtones? the voodoo doll has been used by so many people especially girls/women

laurarichardson said:

The Voodoo doll was made as a joke by people in his clothes department and given to Karen as a gift. It does have racial overtones and the whole point of a voodoo doll is to do harm. Nothing positive about it at all. OldFriends4Sale said:

The issue is the voodoo doll was a toy, and nothing to be taken seriously

The story about the little box to spook MJ came from Quincy Jones

.

And in 1980something Prince was not a hardcore Christian.

And Krattinger's race has absolutely nothing to do with it

The use of the doll(in Voodoo) is also used in other forms of 'earth magics' 'wiccan' etc And Voodoo is a combination of African(Yuroba) and European(Catholic)

so race has nothing to do with if Prince's personal assistant was entrusted with it. Because it was hers.

No he wasn't a hardcore Christian, but he did believe in God via Jesus. We are talking about the 1980s? He touched on it in 1985 interview. He was not denominational or hardcore. I get what you are saying though. He couldn't be hardcore and do/say all those things that are 'anti-Christlike'.

But being in a church doesn't make a righteous man -Purple Music

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He might have gone to a 7th Day adventist church for a short period when living with his mother and her husband(who locked him in the closet..Papa) but like a lot of people who 'Go To Church' doesn't make them Christian or Believers

Baptist and 7th Day Adventist are just 'denominations' those things do make someone a follower of Christ but a follower of manmade rules and regulations. the 2 sects that crucified Jesus were caught up in their denominations.

Adorecream said:

laurarichardson said:

The Voodoo doll was made as a joke by people in his clothes department and given to Karen as a gift. It does have racial overtones and the whole point of a voodoo doll is to do harm. Nothing positive about it at all. OldFriends4Sale said:

Yes he was, the song God was all about it. Annastesia is all about God. God is alive, shall I go on. Prince was raised 7th day adventist and also had Baptist leanings. He may have sung about sex and lust up to 2000 when he became a Jehovah's witness, but Prince has always been very Christian.

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Just a minute, its the Hard Copy/TMZ of the net - Laurarichardson, just stop already - not only are you wrong, but you are using racist white/Hollywood interpretations of something you know nothing about.

Voodoo does not have dolls, they have fetishes like dried up monkey skulls and things. Voodoo pin dolls are actually parts of WHITE European witchcraft rituals of the 1500 - 1750 period and have nothing to with African folk religions.

John Nelson was thr 7TH day adventist not his step dad. What do you think he meant when referenced Jesus as in the son of God? What do you think he meant when he said he would celebrate the day he died and not the day he was born?

If you do not know the answers to these questions then you know nothing about Christianity. Stop projecting your beliefs on to Prince.

Please stop referencing the Prince of 1984. When he passed he was a member in hall Kingdom Hall.

OldFriends4Sale said:

No he wasn't a hardcore Christian, but he did believe in God via Jesus. We are talking about the 1980s? He touched on it in 1985 interview. He was not denominational or hardcore. I get what you are saying though. He couldn't be hardcore and do/say all those things that are 'anti-Christlike'.

But being in a church doesn't make a righteous man -Purple Music

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He might have gone to a 7th Day adventist church for a short period when living with his mother and her husband(who locked him in the closet..Papa) but like a lot of people who 'Go To Church' doesn't make them Christian or Believers

Baptist and 7th Day Adventist are just 'denominations' those things do make someone a follower of Christ but a follower of manmade rules and regulations. the 2 sects that crucified Jesus were caught up in their denominations.

Adorecream said:

Yes he was, the song God was all about it. Annastesia is all about God. God is alive, shall I go on. Prince was raised 7th day adventist and also had Baptist leanings. He may have sung about sex and lust up to 2000 when he became a Jehovah's witness, but Prince has always been very Christian.

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Just a minute, its the Hard Copy/TMZ of the net - Laurarichardson, just stop already - not only are you wrong, but you are using racist white/Hollywood interpretations of something you know nothing about.

Voodoo does not have dolls, they have fetishes like dried up monkey skulls and things. Voodoo pin dolls are actually parts of WHITE European witchcraft rituals of the 1500 - 1750 period and have nothing to with African folk religions.

If you want to live in a racial fantasy world go ahead. Voodoo dolls are not signs of endearment or love and Karen K discussed the reason the wardrobe people made it. It was done as joke so they could punish the doll they way they wanted to punish Prince. Why this has to explained to you is mind boggling?

OldFriends4Sale said:

No it isn't, she wasn't trying to harm Prince and she wasn't being racial. What racial overtones? the voodoo doll has been used by so many people especially girls/women

laurarichardson said:

The Voodoo doll was made as a joke by people in his clothes department and given to Karen as a gift. It does have racial overtones and the whole point of a voodoo doll is to do harm. Nothing positive about it at all. OldFriends4Sale said:

weegee boards have a dark side too, but people have them as boardgames

laurarichardson said:

If you want to live in a racial fantasy world go ahead. Voodoo dolls are not signs of endearment or love and Karen K discussed the reason the wardrobe people made it. It was done as joke so they could punish the doll they way they wanted to punish Prince. Why this has to explained to you is mind boggling?

OldFriends4Sale said:

No it isn't, she wasn't trying to harm Prince and she wasn't being racial. What racial overtones? the voodoo doll has been used by so many people especially girls/women

We are talking about 1980s Prince. A lot of people believe in some form of God/Jesus the son of God, but they are not christian

Was Karen working for Prince when he became Jehovah's Witness?

This whole thing with Karen and the voodoo doll was the 80s which is the time period were are refering too. So calm down.

It was you who ran from the debate that was placed in the P&R thread. You had your time to 'show yourself approved', you ran from it.

laurarichardson said:

John Nelson was thr 7TH day adventist not his step dad. What do you think he meant when referenced Jesus as in the son of God? What do you think he meant when he said he would celebrate the day he died and not the day he was born?

If you do not know the answers to these questions then you know nothing about Christianity. Stop projecting your beliefs on to Prince.

Please stop referencing the Prince of 1984. When he passed he was a member in hall Kingdom Hall.

OldFriends4Sale said:

No he wasn't a hardcore Christian, but he did believe in God via Jesus. We are talking about the 1980s? He touched on it in 1985 interview. He was not denominational or hardcore. I get what you are saying though. He couldn't be hardcore and do/say all those things that are 'anti-Christlike'.

But being in a church doesn't make a righteous man -Purple Music

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He might have gone to a 7th Day adventist church for a short period when living with his mother and her husband(who locked him in the closet..Papa) but like a lot of people who 'Go To Church' doesn't make them Christian or Believers

Baptist and 7th Day Adventist are just 'denominations' those things do make someone a follower of Christ but a follower of manmade rules and regulations. the 2 sects that crucified Jesus were caught up in their denominations.

Do you honestly think any employee would be happy to know that employees were making voodoo dolls out of them? I told you Karen admitted as to the reason it was made. What makes you think Prince was not Christian in the 80s? He was a Christian who was struggling because being a Christian is hard work. That theme was running thru his work in the 80s. Why do you think he was wearing that cross?

OldFriends4Sale said:

We are talking about 1980s Prince. A lot of people believe in some form of God/Jesus the son of God, but they are not christian

Was Karen working for Prince when he became Jehovah's Witness?

This whole thing with Karen and the voodoo doll was the 80s which is the time period were are refering too. So calm down.

It was you who ran from the debate that was placed in the P&R thread. You had your time to 'show yourself approved', you ran from it.

laurarichardson said:

John Nelson was thr 7TH day adventist not his step dad. What do you think he meant when referenced Jesus as in the son of God? What do you think he meant when he said he would celebrate the day he died and not the day he was born?

If you do not know the answers to these questions then you know nothing about Christianity. Stop projecting your beliefs on to Prince.

Please stop referencing the Prince of 1984. When he passed he was a member in hall Kingdom Hall.

I would enjoy it. And if you have any root send it too me so I can cook it up with some onions and steak

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If you can define what it means to be a 'christian' and how that happens, then tell me if Prince went that route, then you will know if he was or not. There is only 1 way...

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Wearing a cross is not definitive of being a christian

Even Lenny Kravitz says he is not a christian but he leans that way

laurarichardson said:

Do you honestly think any employee would be happy to know that employees were making voodoo dolls out of them? I told you Karen admitted as to the reason it was made. What makes you think Prince was not Christian in the 80s? He was a Christian who was struggling because being a Christian is hard work. That theme was running thru his work in the 80s. Why do you think he was wearing that cross?

OldFriends4Sale said:

We are talking about 1980s Prince. A lot of people believe in some form of God/Jesus the son of God, but they are not christian

Was Karen working for Prince when he became Jehovah's Witness?

This whole thing with Karen and the voodoo doll was the 80s which is the time period were are refering too. So calm down.

It was you who ran from the debate that was placed in the P&R thread. You had your time to 'show yourself approved', you ran from it.

John 3:16 Read and learn. Prince spoke about heaven and if he knew the Bible like the back of his hand which many people said he did then he knew what he needed to know to get to heaven.

Prince is prince not Lenny. What does what Lenny K have to do with Prince?

All your little Voodoo comments don't scare me.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I would enjoy it. And if you have any root send it too me so I can cook it up with some onions and steak

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If you can define what it means to be a 'christian' and how that happens, then tell me if Prince went that route, then you will know if he was or not. There is only 1 way...

.

Wearing a cross is not definitive of being a christian

Even Lenny Kravitz says he is not a christian but he leans that way

laurarichardson said:

Do you honestly think any employee would be happy to know that employees were making voodoo dolls out of them? I told you Karen admitted as to the reason it was made. What makes you think Prince was not Christian in the 80s? He was a Christian who was struggling because being a Christian is hard work. That theme was running thru his work in the 80s. Why do you think he was wearing that cross?

PLUS, if you followed the discussion I said he was not a 'Hardcore Christian'

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If he spoke of heavn like he knew the Bible like the back of his hand (Satan knows it back in front too) he didn't, he was very timid in expressing his beliefs in interviews
Then why did he sing in 4 The Tears In Your Eyes that Jesus turn stone into bread with the touch of Hand?

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'Thou believe that there is one God, you do well; but the devils believe also yet they tremble'

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I brought up Lenny because people lean toward certain beliefs without actually being discipled to them.

Voodoo Who -the Flesh sessions

May U Live 2 C the Dawn

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I want one tho

laurarichardson said:

John 3:16 Read and learn. Prince spoke about heaven and if he knew the Bible like the back of his hand which many people said he did then he knew what he needed to know to get to heaven.

Prince is prince not Lenny. What does what Lenny K have to do with Prince?

All your little Voodoo comments don't scare me.

OldFriends4Sale said:

I would enjoy it. And if you have any root send it too me so I can cook it up with some onions and steak

.

If you can define what it means to be a 'christian' and how that happens, then tell me if Prince went that route, then you will know if he was or not. There is only 1 way...

.

Wearing a cross is not definitive of being a christian

Even Lenny Kravitz says he is not a christian but he leans that way

There i s no such thing as a "hard core Christian" You either are or you are not.

WB made him take out the regilous references in Let's Go Crazy" so why would he discuss it media interviews back in the 80s?

He had no trouble discuss it openly later. In fact he performed God Is Alive all along the Lovesexy tour. Became a JW and discusses the importance of working with other Christians in the last interviews he gave.

He was always a Christian all you had to do was listen. Try listening to 'Darling Nikki" backwards since you missed back in 84.

OldFriends4Sale said:

PLUS, if you followed the discussion I said he was not a 'Hardcore Christian'

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If he spoke of heavn like he knew the Bible like the back of his hand (Satan knows it back in front too) he didn't, he was very timid in expressing his beliefs in interviews
Then why did he saing in 4 The Tears In Your Eyes that Jesus turn stone with the touch of Hand?

'
'Thou believe that there is one God, you do well; but the devils believe also yet they tremble'

.

I brought up Lenny because people lean toward certain beliefs without actually being discipled to them.

Voodoo Who -the Flesh sessions

laurarichardson said:

John 3:16 Read and learn. Prince spoke about heaven and if he knew the Bible like the back of his hand which many people said he did then he knew what he needed to know to get to heaven.

Prince is prince not Lenny. What does what Lenny K have to do with Prince?

All your little Voodoo comments don't scare me.

so why are you fighting me, when I said to Adore who said he was a hardcore christian that he was not

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No he discussed the Let's Go Crazy piece in the late 90s

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Again, people who are not christians muslims buddist quote from those texts and lean toward the belief, but are not. My neighbor goes to the Buddist temple and the Baptist church.

laurarichardson said:

There i s no such thing as a "hard core Christian" You either are or you are not.

WB made him take out the regilous references in Let's Go Crazy" so why would he discuss it media interviews back in the 80s?

He had no trouble discuss it openly later. In fact he performed God Is Alive all along the Lovesexy tour. Became a JW and discusses the importance of working with other Christians in the last interviews he gave.

He was always a Christian all you had to do was listen. Try listening to 'Darling Nikki" backwards since you missed back in 84.

OldFriends4Sale said:

PLUS, if you followed the discussion I said he was not a 'Hardcore Christian'

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If he spoke of heavn like he knew the Bible like the back of his hand (Satan knows it back in front too) he didn't, he was very timid in expressing his beliefs in interviews
Then why did he saing in 4 The Tears In Your Eyes that Jesus turn stone with the touch of Hand?

'
'Thou believe that there is one God, you do well; but the devils believe also yet they tremble'

.

I brought up Lenny because people lean toward certain beliefs without actually being discipled to them.

Voodoo Who -the Flesh sessions

It does not matter when he discussed it the song came out in the 80s. He wanted to discuss God, heven and hell in a song in the 80s and was not allowed.

I am not arguing. The phrase " Hard Core Christian is utter nonsense. Reading a text or going to a house of worship has nothing to do with being a Christian. Once again John 3:16.

OldFriends4Sale said:

so why are you fighting me, when I said to Adore who said he was a hardcore christian that he was not

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No he discussed the Let's Go Crazy piece in the late 90s

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Again, people who are not christians muslims buddist quote from those texts and lean toward the belief, but are not. My neighbor goes to the Buddist temple and the Baptist church.

laurarichardson said:

There i s no such thing as a "hard core Christian" You either are or you are not.

WB made him take out the regilous references in Let's Go Crazy" so why would he discuss it media interviews back in the 80s?

He had no trouble discuss it openly later. In fact he performed God Is Alive all along the Lovesexy tour. Became a JW and discusses the importance of working with other Christians in the last interviews he gave.

He was always a Christian all you had to do was listen. Try listening to 'Darling Nikki" backwards since you missed back in 84.

Maybe he did back then. Or maybe he was editing his history.

But that isn't true that it wasn't allowed in the 80s

-God (the Dance Electric)
-4 the Tears In Your Eyes

-The Cross

etc

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That is right, there is a way to being a disciple. confession baptism etc And you shall know them by their fruit.

laurarichardson said:

It does not matter when he discussed it the song came out in the 80s. He wanted to discuss God, heven and hell in a song in the 80s and was not allowed.

I am not arguing. The phrase " Hard Core Christian is utter nonsense. Reading a text or going to a house of worship has nothing to do with being a Christian. Once again John 3:16.

OldFriends4Sale said:

so why are you fighting me, when I said to Adore who said he was a hardcore christian that he was not

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No he discussed the Let's Go Crazy piece in the late 90s

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Again, people who are not christians muslims buddist quote from those texts and lean toward the belief, but are not. My neighbor goes to the Buddist temple and the Baptist church.

Maybe he was telling the truth because that song would have dealt with issue of good/evil and secular/spritual. The songs you mention are vauge Chistian songs.

JOHN 3;16

OldFriends4Sale said:

Maybe he did back then. Or maybe he was editing his history.

But that isn't true that it wasn't allowed in the 80s

-God (the Dance Electric)
-4 the Tears In Your Eyes

-The Cross

etc

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That is right, there is a way to being a disciple. And you shall know them by their fruit.

laurarichardson said:

It does not matter when he discussed it the song came out in the 80s. He wanted to discuss God, heven and hell in a song in the 80s and was not allowed.

I am not arguing. The phrase " Hard Core Christian is utter nonsense. Reading a text or going to a house of worship has nothing to do with being a Christian. Once again John 3:16.

But that line wasn't going to change the lyrics to Let's Go Crazy beyond what they were

He basically said April 1997 MUSICIAN mag "As I wrote it Let's Go Crazy was about God and the de-evalution of sin. But the problem was that religion as a subject is taboo in pop music."

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I still believe he is 'revisiting' in edit form Let's Go Crazy

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it wasn't that it wasn't allowed. He felt it was taboo. Of course it was integrated in pop/rock/fok/rnb/jazz music, but people who wanted to talk/sing about 'Jesus' usually did 'Gospel' music. But it wasn't taboo, and it was allowed. More likely Prince sang about things he thought were contrary to the bible.

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God (creation)
4 the Tears In Your Eyes (The gospel-Jesus came to die 4 your sins)

those 2 pieces alone are pretty defined.

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but the latter day Prince mixing Egyptology JW doctrine and Gnosticism was definately a no no

Acts 2:38

laurarichardson said:

Maybe he was telling the truth because that song would have dealt with issue of good/evil and secular/spritual. The songs you mention are vauge Chistian songs.

JOHN 3;16

OldFriends4Sale said:

Maybe he did back then. Or maybe he was editing his history.

But that isn't true that it wasn't allowed in the 80s

-God (the Dance Electric)
-4 the Tears In Your Eyes

-The Cross

etc

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That is right, there is a way to being a disciple. And you shall know them by their fruit.

We forget that God features on every album - "Special thanks to God and U" was a common early liner note.

Adorecream said:

We forget that God features on every album - "Special thanks to God and U" was a common early liner note.

It was one thing Prince and Michael Jackson had in common, they always said that God gave them the gift of music and they merely conveyed it. Prince said in some 80s interview, God gave me the music and told me to bring it forth. People who a swaying or on and off Christians, don't say that, true believers would. I have never doubted Prince or Michael's religious sincerity.

Adorecream said:

Adorecream said:

We forget that God features on every album - "Special thanks to God and U" was a common early liner note.

It was one thing Prince and Michael Jackson had in common, they always said that God gave them the gift of music and they merely conveyed it. Prince said in some 80s interview, God gave me the music and told me to bring it forth. People who a swaying or on and off Christians, don't say that, true believers would. I have never doubted Prince or Michael's religious sincerity.

not true. Many famous people thank God for their accomplishments.

People believe in 'God' without actually ascribing to conversion or discipleship.
Like whenever something bad happens, everyone talks about prayinger. Or when someone sneezes they say God Bless Your or Bless You

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I don't doubt his sincerity in believing in God. But dogma or actual doctrine is another story.

OldFriends4Sale said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Adorecream said:

laurarichardson said:

CherryMoon57 said: Well she was trash talking him a long time ago and I bet those teras were not all sad .

Well you have been trash talking him since you joined and I doubt you have ever shed a tear. Go back to your job at TMZ/Radar/Hot lips lie and careerwrecka agency.

the voodoo doll was mean but excusable if she had kept it to herself. Selling it after his death was low and trashy especially since jokingly or not it is supposedly used to cause physical harm.

laurarichardson said:

Do you honestly think any employee would be happy to know that employees were making voodoo dolls out of them? I told you Karen admitted as to the reason it was made. What makes you think Prince was not Christian in the 80s? He was a Christian who was struggling because being a Christian is hard work. That theme was running thru his work in the 80s. Why do you think he was wearing that cross?

OldFriends4Sale said:

We are talking about 1980s Prince. A lot of people believe in some form of God/Jesus the son of God, but they are not christian

Was Karen working for Prince when he became Jehovah's Witness?

This whole thing with Karen and the voodoo doll was the 80s which is the time period were are refering too. So calm down.

It was you who ran from the debate that was placed in the P&R thread. You had your time to 'show yourself approved', you ran from it.

[Edited 2/26/18 18:32pm]

LovePaisley said:

Ah, what the heck, I'll jump in. I think the voodoo doll is funny as hell. Remember, these were all real people with jobs and lives. Prince was just a person and known to be a challenging one at that. His employees were just people who worked for him. However "pinch-me" magical that job might've been, I bet it took a very good sense of humor to survive. So the employees had a good laugh on the boss. Maybe even an affectionate one. They knew what they were part of and found ways to get by. A very healthy thing, IMO.

Employees who received a paycheck and were not on a plantation. I cannot imgaine giving people opportunities like that and then having them laugh behind your back. Years later they said he had the place weired for sound so he would know who the people were that were talking behind his back.

I can only imagine the looks on their face when they got shown the door.

Thank you. It speaks volumes about her as a person. She could have thrown that shit away and continued on with her paper selling.

purplerabbithole said:

the voodoo doll was mean but excusable if she had kept it to herself. Selling it after his death was low and trashy especially since jokingly or not it is supposedly used to cause physical harm.

laurarichardson said:

Do you honestly think any employee would be happy to know that employees were making voodoo dolls out of them? I told you Karen admitted as to the reason it was made. What makes you think Prince was not Christian in the 80s? He was a Christian who was struggling because being a Christian is hard work. That theme was running thru his work in the 80s. Why do you think he was wearing that cross?

[Edited 2/26/18 18:32pm]

LovePaisley said:

Ah, what the heck, I'll jump in. I think the voodoo doll is funny as hell. Remember, these were all real people with jobs and lives. Prince was just a person and known to be a challenging one at that. His employees were just people who worked for him. However "pinch-me" magical that job might've been, I bet it took a very good sense of humor to survive. So the employees had a good laugh on the boss. Maybe even an affectionate one. They knew what they were part of and found ways to get by. A very healthy thing, IMO.

I'm with you. I would have loved to have one. It's a doll. No one was using black magic on Prince.

laurarichardson said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

not true. Many famous people thank God for their accomplishments.

People believe in 'God' without actually ascribing to conversion or discipleship.
Like whenever something bad happens, everyone talks about prayinger. Or when someone sneezes they say God Bless Your or Bless You

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I don't doubt his sincerity in believing in God. But dogma or actual doctrine is another story.

The doctrine is not separated. 👀

what do you mean the doctrine is not seperated?