Strawberrylova123 said:

poppys said:

He probably had surgery for a heart murmur.

Mmm it would've appear on his autopsy if he had heart surgery

Omg. It was a JOKE. This thread, ugh. Death details redux.

Strawberrylova123 said:

poppys said:

He probably had surgery for a heart murmur.

Mmm it would've appear on his autopsy if he had heart surgery

No it would not. The autosy was a short report. We will never see the complete report. Even the comments about the scars on his legs provided no detail. HIPPA laws protect medical records 70 years after death.

This sentence has a question mark behind it. "How do you know that Prince never had a an RX for pain meds?" Because it is a question. I am not twisting anything. We only know he went to see Dr. S twice because of the search warrent. We have no access to Prince's medical records and never w ill have access to them. Do you really think he had surgery in 2010 and he did this by not seeing a doctor? If Dr. S wrote Rx's for him under a another name in April of 2016 do you think other doctors might have written him Rxs under assumed names as well in the past?

If he got meds in April of 2016 under an assumed name he had done that before. Remember the stories about him having visted the Walgreens quite a bit in the last year? Do you think the 65k on his inventory sheet was for illegal drugs or legitmate medical expenses?

You are right I do not know for certain if he had legal scripts but I can do deductive reasoning.

I also know from having two babies and numerous friends who have babies that you do not need pain pills for no weeks after I suspect that Mayte was over prescribed pain pills just like millions of other people. I acutally had two very invasive surgeries in the 90s and only had enough pain meds for a few days.

I want you to notice the question marks? Questions are not twisting anyone's words.

So what if people are dependent on pain meds. Part of the controversy is due to Doctors over prescribing these meds in the first place and big Pharma pushing them for every illness known to man. Is it the fault of the patient if they are over presribed meds that are much too powerful for their aliment? If you know about this from your husband your tone sure does not show any compassion whatsoever and this is my opinion about how your comments come across. Once again not twisting anything just telling you how your comments come across.

You also never answer the question that no one can really answer. What is the alternative if you are in tremendous amounts of pain and you cannot no longer obtain these meds legitmatlly or you do stop using them but still have pain?

What would you do about pain?

PennyPurple said:

What are you talking about? He seen Dr. S 2 times. Dr. S wrote a script out in Kirk's name.

Don't twist my words. You have a bad habit of that.

Opioids are so dangerous that most regular Dr.s don't prescribe them anymore.

I know exactly what is on the other side of that fence, as I've said before. My husband suffers from chronic pain, and he was on those high doses of meds. It took him years to be weaned off. My husband had legal scripts for them. Prince resorted to street drugs. BIG difference.

Duh...most people who have surgery are given pain pills....but you are the one who was screaming about Mayte being sent home with pain pills after her surgery....talk about passing judgement on people...YOU do that all the time.

Facts as we know them, is Prince took illegal street drugs that was loaded with enough fentanyl to kill 5 Elephants.

How do YOU know that he HAD legal scripts for pain meds? YOU don't. Like I said, it doesn't make a difference why the man was taking them, it's the same outcome = dependency.

I'm blaming P for his joint problems now? ....You seriously have a problem with twisting everyones comments. Please get help.

laurarichardson said:

How do you know that Prince never had a an RX for pain meds? If Dr. S was writing Rx for him that were not controlled substances under an assumed name for privacy reasons why would Prince not have done this in the past.

We know he had surgery for something in 2010. If you have surgery you are given pain pills. We know from Scott Baldwin his engineer he had a lot of pain doing the Musicology Tour. We know from Mikki White that he had to cancel a string of shows in 1998 due to some damage to his leg. She actually mentions in her book that when she saw him next he had a cane.

He had medical issues to what extent we do not know but what would be your solution for someone who is in pain and still has to work. You realize how powerful these meds are and that some doctors are recommending that they not be given to people for long periods of time.

It is real easy to be on the other side of the fence passing judgements on people when we are not in their shoes. None of us are promised perfect health. I hope you are not blaming him for his joint problems as if he wanted to have them.

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laurarichardson said:

You also never answer the question that no one can really answer. What is the alternative if you are in tremendous amounts of pain and you cannot no longer obtain these meds legitmatlly or you do stop using them but still have pain?

What would you do about pain?

Sometimes there is nothing more that they can do with chronic pain.....there are no alternatives left for my husband. He wakes up screaming every night in pain, every day. They/we have tried everything.

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

You also never answer the question that no one can really answer. What is the alternative if you are in tremendous amounts of pain and you cannot no longer obtain these meds legitmatlly or you do stop using them but still have pain?

What would you do about pain?

Sometimes there is nothing more that they can do with chronic pain.....there are no alternatives left for my husband. He wakes up screaming every night in pain, every day. They/we have tried everything.

I am sorry to hear this but for all we know Prince may have been in that stituation as well and he made a decision on how to deal with it. I see it as a dammed if you do and a dammed if you don't.

He lived to play music what would the quality of his life been like if that was taken away?

I recently looked up Dr. S and he now works at a medical center specializing in Senior care and joint pain issues. He said in the search warrent he was seeing Prince for joint problems and not for withdrawals. I think Prince was trying to withdraw on his own and struggling and ultimately failing.

The fact that he was seeing a doctor for his joint problems tells me this stituation was real and no doubt the driver of his issues.

laurarichardson said:

PennyPurple said:

laurarichardson said:

You also never answer the question that no one can really answer. What is the alternative if you are in tremendous amounts of pain and you cannot no longer obtain these meds legitmatlly or you do stop using them but still have pain?

What would you do about pain?

Sometimes there is nothing more that they can do with chronic pain.....there are no alternatives left for my husband. He wakes up screaming every night in pain, every day. They/we have tried everything.

poppys said:

purplefam99 said:

purplefam99 said:

Once again sorry to hear that.

Thanks all. Chronic pain sucks, for all involved.

laurarichardson said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

poppys said: Mmm it would've appear on his autopsy if he had heart surgery

No it would not. The autosy was a short report. We will never see the complete report. Even the comments about the scars on his legs provided no detail. HIPPA laws protect medical records 70 years after death.

Holy shit... now I'm gonna have to wait until I'm 103 years old just to find out?



Guess I'll have to set my scheduler on my phone to 4-21-86....

:-/

2046. You can FOIA the autopsy report in 2046, 30 years after it was conducted. Minnesota law. If only the family would allow that report to be revealed now - it would answer (probably) almost all the questions we have about his condition.

1Sasha said:

poppys said:

anangellooksdown said:

rogifan said:

rogifan said:

anangellooksdown said:

poppys said:

Everyone in my family has a heart murmur. My parents died in their 80s.

Exactly.it was probably a little anxiety that he outgrew.

Thank you angel, a heart murmur is not usually a "thing". I have personal knowledge of this.

laytonian said:

laurarichardson said:

laytonian said:

laurarichardson said:

1Sasha said:

rogifan said:

laurarichardson said:

--Why is this topic your business?

Well everything seems to be your business round here.

Anyway I don’t think the autopsy report is the business of anyone but his family.

rogifan said:

I think if he wanted us to know what was wrong with him he would have told us when he was alive. If some people want to believe he was a typical rock star junkie that’s their problem.

^^ THIS is a show of respect that Prince would appreciate.

Some people want to autopsy his privacy - over and over again. That is not love.