Where's the OUT door in this place ?

Bodhitheblackdog said:

How did his fans really think it was going to end for Prince? There would be no grandkids bouncing on his 60 year old knees; perhaps a 24 year old Muse when he was 70. Given his hip/joint problems and reported aversion to surgery, do you think he would have been OK being confined to a wheelchair when he wasn’t being carried around by Kirk? There would be no comfort from a long-lasting, matured bond of love, no special anniversaries to commemorate commitment, loyalty, devotion. He made that choice long ago.

Maybe he would have been the older gentleman standing in his museum atrium in front of 50 year old photos of himself as a sex-guitar God in all his skin tight spandex glory. Doesn’t sound like fun times to me. Can’t see him chatting up strangers on the ticket line, either.

Perhaps a fountainhead of musical encouragement, training, seasoning…but, wait…his only real experience in this area was with younger (sometimes much younger) women…too limiting. Ahh…a hint.

For all the genius,( never to be denied), charisma, drive, soulfulness, love of God, hard-earned success, physical beauty…all the gifts he had; Prince was profoundly limited in many ways…just like any other human being…even musical Gods.

I have cried many tears over his loss, there isn’t a day I don’t wake with his music in my mind, I have screamed at the sky at the injustice of his death at 57…but, just perhaps…just maybe…it ended the way he wanted it to. Control freak to the end. On his on terms. In his home, not a hospital. The eternal man of mystery, not an impaired cripple wracked with pain. No more makeup/ masks, costumes/clothing, love or maybe just lust…nothing but space and joy.

Try to find peace in this. His music lives for eternity. Dance on.

What you just said was the truth. I don't know if you ever thought about it, but as far as children are concerned. I wish he would've had them at an early age even out of wedlock and I don't if it was with different women as long as he had a bond with them that he didn't have with his family. I wish he would've rebelled against his father telling "nevr get a girl pregnant. After I read Mayte's book, I think after he opened himself up twice for a family just to suffer tragedy a second time. I think he just figured it wasn't meant to be for him. Plus, we don't know, but maybe he took that same test Mayte took and it may have proven that there will always be adnormalities everytime he wanted to conceive (I see why this is a touchy subject with the orgers)and I don't blame him for not wanting a baby with health problems and I don't blame if he didn't want to adopt. I wanted him to have his own biological children that looked like him and inherited his talents as well.

laytonian said:

. Try again, starting with some truth. He was not averse to surgery (he had at least two visible scars on his lower extremities). . Don't make him a tragic victim. He had much love and knew he was loved. . Don't make yourself a tragic victim.

He got hip surgery when he should've got hip REPLACEMENT. It had nothing to do with his religion. He was like alot of older black men. He just didn't want to have it.

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Identity said:

I thought the little guy would settle down and propose to a woman 20 years his junior, continue to record and tour sporadically well into his 70s.

I've heard people say they thought he would live as long as his father. I didn't think so. His generation isn't living as long, but I didn't think he would leave us this soon either.

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I always thought he would outlive me and be like the old man character in the come on video

playing his guitar and hollerin' at the women that walk past.

"I got the butter for yo muffin"

"Just too old to hold the knife"

dbpdexter said:

I always thought he would outlive me and be like the old man character in the come on video

playing his guitar and hollerin' at the women that walk past.

"I got the butter for yo muffin"

"Just too old to hold the knife"

I was looking forward to growing old with him...

lotusflower0000 said:

dbpdexter said:

I always thought he would outlive me and be like the old man character in the come on video

playing his guitar and hollerin' at the women that walk past.

"I got the butter for yo muffin"

"Just too old to hold the knife"

he said that shit? crazy fuck.

muleFunk said:

I think there is too much of an assumption that he had a problem with regular pain management.

In my review of the evidence presented it was said that they found no prescriptions under his name and no aliases with prescriptions. So when you look at the evidence and they found all of these pills they found two bottles with Kirk's name with 24 and 1/2 pills and another bottle with 22 and 1/2 pills and the bottle of Advil with 16 1/2 pills. The problem is the bottle of Bayer with the fake Vicodin.

Now I am a superstitious man and when someone who suddenly dies from a OD and they were found with scrips and a bottle of counterfeit meds appear I start thinking bad thoughts.

He was getting legal meds through fraud so he could have gotten these pills the same way yet this bottle of fake pills should be blinking a big red neon sign.

Another big red neon sign blinking is the lack of a will.

So until I see the real investigation or crime scene photos I believe that the so called official story of what happened here is incorrect.

i have suggested that some fans should start a fund to get some great independent investigation going. I doubt it would ever happen though because people are so passive, i'd give if i thought it would get some more answers.

endiadj said:

I had visions of him teaching music courses at a Minnesota college and inviting his students to jam with him at Paisley Park. I think he would've been a great teacher. Then, he would pass away peacefully of natural causes at home maybe in his early 80's.

he could have done a lot of things, this week in seattle quincy jones is out and about meeting everyone he can, he's a helluva lot older than prince was, has had knee replacements and so on.

TurnItUp said:

Identity said:

I thought the little guy would settle down and propose to a woman 20 years his junior, continue to record and tour sporadically well into his 70s.

I've heard people say they thought he would live as long as his father. I didn't think so. His generation isn't living as long, but I didn't think he would leave us this soon either.

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that's the kind of thing that makes me wonder about our modern food supply. I once spoke to an older lady who told me how different the food was in the thirties. anyway, we do not seem as hearty as older generations for some reason. Look at cab calloway, that guy was dancing his ass off at 57 still.

dance4me3121 said:

lotusflower0000 said:

He did age rapidly in the last five years. It's a shame people can be so quick to put down others. Especially when all Prince did was lift us up with his music. I admired his evolution.

I don't see how Prince aged rapidly? I thought he looked great​.he never looked his age.

well, considering his age he looked great. I'm not one of these asshole fans who love to diss the man, but we aren't talking about just anyone, we're talking about a guy who always looked a good 20 years younger. Look at the larry king interview, the tavis smiley interview in 97 or so and i can't think of any 42 year olds who look that damn good at that age. So, he looked ok but he just didn't look himself. It could have been the toll stress and illness takes for sure. I'm sure he had some sort of mid-life crisis issues most men do it would have been interesting seeeing him just be a normal old man.

TurnItUp said:

Are we really going to have another year of repeating the same boneheaded theories and rehash on multiple threads?

laytonian said:

TurnItUp said:

He got hip surgery when he should've got hip REPLACEMENT. It had nothing to do with his religion. He was like alot of older black men. He just didn't want to have it.

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. We do not know what kind of hip surgery he had or what he should have had. . There are conflicting reports. All we know is he had some kind of surgery in 2010. . I've always been more concerned with his feet and ankles from wearing high heels all those years, full time. I wore heels to work for years and had to have Achilles tendon surgerytwice a few years ago. That was a worse recovery than my friends hip replacement. . Heels shorten your hamstrings and can calcify your tendons. My Achilles was almost a bone by the time they operated. .

HE DIDN'T HAVE HIP REPLACEMENT! Billy Sparks was on the Tom Joyner morning show last year and he was the only person besides Kim Berry that worked with Prince for 30 years or longer. Tom asked him specifically did he have hip replacment surgery or hip surgery and Billy said he had HIP SURGERY. And apparently it's true because I wondered why he was still dependant on that cane. He just didn't want to have the surgery probably because he didn't want to not be active for 6-8 weeks or longer after the surgery. Prince was never one stay still. And I still say it was more than hip or body pain. He was ill.

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TurnItUp said:

laytonian said:

TurnItUp said: . We do not know what kind of hip surgery he had or what he should have had. . There are conflicting reports. All we know is he had some kind of surgery in 2010. . I've always been more concerned with his feet and ankles from wearing high heels all those years, full time. I wore heels to work for years and had to have Achilles tendon surgerytwice a few years ago. That was a worse recovery than my friends hip replacement. . Heels shorten your hamstrings and can calcify your tendons. My Achilles was almost a bone by the time they operated. .

HE DIDN'T HAVE HIP REPLACEMENT! Billy Sparks was on the Tom Joyner morning show last year and he was the only person besides Kim Berry that worked with Prince for 30 years or longer up until the P&M tour. Tom asked him specifically did he have hip replacment surgery or hip surgery and Billy said he had HIP SURGERY. And apparently it's true because I wondered why he was still dependant on that cane. He just didn't want to have the surgery probably because he didn't want to not be active for 6-8 weeks or longer after the surgery. Prince was never one stay still. And I still say it was more than hip or body pain. He was ill.

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babynoz said:

Are we really going to have another year of repeating the same boneheaded theories and rehash on multiple threads?

PeteSilas said:

dbpdexter said:

I always thought he would outlive me and be like the old man character in the come on video

playing his guitar and hollerin' at the women that walk past.

"I got the butter for yo muffin"

"Just too old to hold the knife"

he said that shit? crazy fuck.

You haven't seen that video--look for it! That's some funny stuff, there.

EddieC said:

KoolEaze said:

I had this crazy idea that Prince would live well into his 80s,but would eventually give up pop music and become a blues musician....sitting on a stool with his guitar,like B.B. King....performing at smaller,intimate venues.

Purplebflogirl said:

KoolEaze said:

Van Jones strikes me as one of those people who are genuinely sad and devastated but then again, what do I know?

I agree with you that there the circumstances are very odd and leave a lot of question marks. Makes you wonder if we´ll ever know what really happened. Then again, if there really WAS more to this then what we are being told, I´d expect more of his close friends and bandmembers to stand up and speak up about their doubts. So far, everybody seems to be going with the official story.

I also believe Van is genuine..Many others I truly question.

Same here..

Van is a Good Human

PeteSilas said:

muleFunk said:

I think there is too much of an assumption that he had a problem with regular pain management.

In my review of the evidence presented it was said that they found no prescriptions under his name and no aliases with prescriptions. So when you look at the evidence and they found all of these pills they found two bottles with Kirk's name with 24 and 1/2 pills and another bottle with 22 and 1/2 pills and the bottle of Advil with 16 1/2 pills. The problem is the bottle of Bayer with the fake Vicodin.

Now I am a superstitious man and when someone who suddenly dies from a OD and they were found with scrips and a bottle of counterfeit meds appear I start thinking bad thoughts.

He was getting legal meds through fraud so he could have gotten these pills the same way yet this bottle of fake pills should be blinking a big red neon sign.

Another big red neon sign blinking is the lack of a will.

So until I see the real investigation or crime scene photos I believe that the so called official story of what happened here is incorrect.

i have suggested that some fans should start a fund to get some great independent investigation going. I doubt it would ever happen though because people are so passive, i'd give if i thought it would get some more answers.

It's more going on than you think.

Two Private Investigators have been hired to find out and one is ex FBI.

purplethunder3121 said:

babynoz said:

Are we really going to have another year of repeating the same boneheaded theories and rehash on multiple threads?

MODS ??????

skywalker said:

If you'd have told me Prince would have died in a manner that almost perfectly mirrored the lyrics and metaphor for life/death to "let's go crazy"....I'd have told you that it sounded poetic and kinda beautiful. - It's all perspective: I think the fact that he died in April, with his original "For You" hairstyle, obsessed with moon cycles/symbols, while playing his most career summative, introspective, open, intimate concerts is also quite amazing. - Am I sad he's gone? Yes. - Is he really "gone." Eye say no. He lives on thru his art. He left so much for us in the vault and otherwise... [Edited 5/13/17 14:24pm]

Yes.

Synchronicity ?

YUP!

EddieC said:

Here's the simple answer--any way but the way it did. And anyone who claims that this was a death of a man in control is not facing the facts. He was heading into a plan to break his addiction to a substance he was using illegal scripts to get hold of. There's no control in that. He had almost died days earlier. He was in his elevator, for crying out loud--discovered by people trying to help him kick his addiction. There's no plan here, there's no control freak--there's a man out of control, who didn't make it quite long enough to get the help he was already planning to get, because he took a drug that was mislabeled (so he didn't even have control of that). It was stupid, and a very talented, complex, but (I believe) basically good man who gave those of us here and many others so much through his hard work, incredible talent, and (through most of his life) self control and focus left this world in a way that has absolutely no redeeming aspects. There is nothing good in or about his death. He's dead. He shouldn't be. End of story.

MD431Madcat said:

YUP!

EddieC said:

Here's the simple answer--any way but the way it did. And anyone who claims that this was a death of a man in control is not facing the facts. He was heading into a plan to break his addiction to a substance he was using illegal scripts to get hold of. There's no control in that. He had almost died days earlier. He was in his elevator, for crying out loud--discovered by people trying to help him kick his addiction. There's no plan here, there's no control freak--there's a man out of control, who didn't make it quite long enough to get the help he was already planning to get, because he took a drug that was mislabeled (so he didn't even have control of that). It was stupid, and a very talented, complex, but (I believe) basically good man who gave those of us here and many others so much through his hard work, incredible talent, and (through most of his life) self control and focus left this world in a way that has absolutely no redeeming aspects. There is nothing good in or about his death. He's dead. He shouldn't be. End of story.

Maybe it's up to those who loved Prince to ensure that his death DOES have redeeming aspects: open, compassionate discussion about addiction, removing the shame of seeking help, stopping the demonization of those crippled by drugs, muting the hyper masculinity of equating weakness with needing help (in any area)...let's celebrate his life with love and reaching out to each other. Maybe Prince is no longer with us in the flesh but it's doesn't have to be the end of his story. Maybe the most glorious chapter is yet to be written.

Watched part of that stupid documentary last night.

Chris Moon says he wishes he had just introduced Prince to some girl, they could have gotten married, had a couple of kids, and Prince could have retired an old man on a rocking chair, sitting on his front porch after decades of working at a factory.

And he (Chris Moon) would have preferred that to making Prince famous.

EnDoRpHn said:

Watched part of that stupid documentary last night.

Chris Moon says he wishes he had just introduced Prince to some girl, they could have gotten married, had a couple of kids, and Prince could have retired an old man on a rocking chair, sitting on his front porch after decades of working at a factory.

And he (Chris Moon) would have preferred that to making Prince famous.

After the other-worldly success of Purple Rain, which Prince likened to an albatross which would hang around his neck forever, he also observed that 'I've been to the mountaintop...there's nothing there.'

He knew....yet was unable to disconnect himself from the destructive, soul-crushing lure/constraints of fame/success.

We know he tried with a wide range of unconventional assaults on the hit-making machinery but, in the end, envisioning a small, crumpled figure cold and alone in an elevator..the old man in a rocking chair, surrounded by much loved children and grandchildren, would have been a better.

i think the answer we're looking for is this....an old dude sitting in a club STILL playing with his heart and soul