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Reply #810 posted 05/02/17 8:20am

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TheEnglishGent said:

bluegangsta said:

It obviously wasn't. Do you have any idea how difficult it would be to televise a concert live while it's being shot on film in that kind of setting? Not to mention, there's no apparent film artifacts on any of the video transfers.

It was not shot on film.

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I don't know what it was or wasn't shot on but either way I'd imagine that they also have a separate audio source regardless of how the video was shot. This could be re-mastered and you could have a much better soundtrack on the Blu-Ray even if the picture wasn't much better. People seem to forget that Blu-Ray can have lossless audio.


If it's on DVD, it will most assureadly have lossy (MP3) audio, not even 320kbps, probably 192kbps.

SOME DVDs do have lossless PCM audio, but that is a rarity...

Blurays can handle full HD, lossless audio.

Also hoping for the option of 5.1 or stereo audio. I personally prefer stereo for things like this.

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Reply #811 posted 05/02/17 8:32am

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djThunderfunk said:

Also hoping for the option of 5.1 or stereo audio. I personally prefer stereo for things like this.


Yeah, fake surround mixes of stereo sources are pretty pointless, and always underwhelming.

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Reply #812 posted 05/02/17 8:55am

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dodger said:



rdhull said:



love2thenines2003 said:

It seems that the version of 17 days 12inch does exist....saw this on Twitter ...picture from Queslove's Vault it seems. ....hope a Christmas's box of PR superdeluxe with this kind of goodies ? https://pbs.twimg.com/med...AA-7zq.jpg



If this is authentic and not the fan made one, how is it he has it now. Did the collector-leggers or those in the estate who have it, just give it to him?



Questlove insists its real and I think he's had it for a while. . The plot thickens with Mathieu Bitton saying on Twitter 'the master was not at WB and wasn't found anywhere. 7.21 version was sent back to Prince in June 87.' .


Lost in the vault. sad

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Reply #813 posted 05/02/17 9:03am

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RODSERLING said:

It would be such a smart-less and illogical decision to shot concerts only on video, even in 1985; especially from a firm/ artist that revolutionized the music industry by being #1 in album, radio, singles and theaters at the same time. I have hard time to actually believe that.

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Based on what? Go on, list all of those concerts that were filmed on film and not on video. Doing things on film was back then a fuckload harder than video, and more expensive. Sheesh, Prince filmed SOTT on film and then had close to zero workable footage and ended up reshooting a phoney concert at PP.

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Reply #814 posted 05/02/17 9:10am

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bluegangsta said:

love2thenines2003 said:

It seems that the version of 17 days 12inch does exist....saw this on Twitter ...picture from Queslove's Vault it seems. ....hope a Christmas's box of PR superdeluxe with this kind of goodies ? https://pbs.twimg.com/med...AA-7zq.jpg

And this is yet another example of why Warners/ Estate should be woking with fans. It wouldn't s

surprise me if we have more than what they do.

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If they can't locate the master tape in the mess that Prince's vault seems to be, then it is pointless.

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Reply #815 posted 05/02/17 9:14am

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rdhull said:

If this is authentic and not the fan made one, how is it he has it now.

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Dude, come on, there have been countless examples in the past years where prisitine versions suddenly appear because elite collectors have had them for years and decades and some of them have slipped out.

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Reply #816 posted 05/02/17 9:16am

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linus4000 said:

And yes, Bart....Instead of complaining all the time like you, Prince liked to record new music all the time...

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He spent the summer ofbitching to reporters about warners not wanting to release 3EG and/or not releasing his new album fast enough, and then he couldn't be arsed to show up for the premiere of it on GMA.

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Reply #817 posted 05/02/17 9:21am

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jaypotton said:

BartVanHemelen said:

the inclusion of a concert video (i.e. Syracuse) in a box set was basically a given.

So when I speculate about a potential realistic scenario that there will be further Purple Rain releases in the future based on standard industry practice to repackage and resell existing works, you accuse me of baseless speculation.

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Because you presented it as if this is planned. It isn't. You're forgetting about Hanlon's razor.

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But when YOU say the inclusion of Syracuse was a given, which is clearly speculation on your part, that is ok? YOU have no idea if Syracuse was intended to be included as of the deal in 2014.

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Correct. But it would be absurd to release a box set and not include an already released concert.

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Reply #818 posted 05/02/17 9:32am

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sexton said:

dodger said:





Questlove insists its real and I think he's had it for a while. . The plot thickens with Mathieu Bitton saying on Twitter 'the master was not at WB and wasn't found anywhere. 7.21 version was sent back to Prince in June 87.' .


Lost in the vault. sad

How is Questlove getting all these tracks?

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Reply #819 posted 05/02/17 9:54am

NorthC

BartVanHemelen said:



RODSERLING said:



It would be such a smart-less and illogical decision to shot concerts only on video, even in 1985; especially from a firm/ artist that revolutionized the music industry by being #1 in album, radio, singles and theaters at the same time. I have hard time to actually believe that.



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Based on what? Go on, list all of those concerts that were filmed on film and not on video. Doing things on film was back then a fuckload harder than video, and more expensive. Sheesh, Prince filmed SOTT on film and then had close to zero workable footage and ended up reshooting a phoney concert at PP.


Ehhh... Dortmund 88? That one shows what could be done when Prince worked with a good director, the late great Egbert van Hees.
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Reply #820 posted 05/02/17 10:19am

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NorthC said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Based on what? Go on, list all of those concerts that were filmed on film and not on video. Doing things on film was back then a fuckload harder than video, and more expensive. Sheesh, Prince filmed SOTT on film and then had close to zero workable footage and ended up reshooting a phoney concert at PP.

Ehhh... Dortmund 88? That one shows what could be done when Prince worked with a good director, the late great Egbert van Hees.

Was that not filmed on video as well?

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Reply #821 posted 05/02/17 10:26am

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Hey everyone, I have a message to deliver here on behalf of Sifi:

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Reply #822 posted 05/02/17 10:30am

jaypotton

BartVanHemelen said:



jaypotton said:


BartVanHemelen said:

the inclusion of a concert video (i.e. Syracuse) in a box set was basically a given.




So when I speculate about a potential realistic scenario that there will be further Purple Rain releases in the future based on standard industry practice to repackage and resell existing works, you accuse me of baseless speculation.

.


Because you presented it as if this is planned. It isn't. You're forgetting about Hanlon's razor.


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But when YOU say the inclusion of Syracuse was a given, which is clearly speculation on your part, that is ok? YOU have no idea if Syracuse was intended to be included as of the deal in 2014.

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Correct. But it would be absurd to release a box set and not include an already released concert.



REALLY BART! oh FFS there is no difference in how I presented a speculative idea and how you did and don't talk about Hanlon's Razor because you do that all the time!

Just tell me, which of us is stupid and which of us has malice?
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Reply #823 posted 05/02/17 10:47am

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If it can't be found in the vault, I think Jesus would want that long version of 17 Days to be leaked.

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Reply #824 posted 05/02/17 10:59am

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BartVanHemelen said:

RODSERLING said:

It would be such a smart-less and illogical decision to shot concerts only on video, even in 1985; especially from a firm/ artist that revolutionized the music industry by being #1 in album, radio, singles and theaters at the same time. I have hard time to actually believe that.

.

Based on what? Go on, list all of those concerts that were filmed on film and not on video. Doing things on film was back then a fuckload harder than video, and more expensive. Sheesh, Prince filmed SOTT on film and then had close to zero workable footage and ended up reshooting a phoney concert at PP.


The Second Coming was shot on film and Prince bought the concert reels back from the director.

After about three days of meetings and discussions with Prince and his management, I spent a few days on the road watching and blocking the live show for the film shoot. We shot it at the Met Center [in Bloomington, Minnesota] on March 7, 1982. That was a very cold night towards the end of the tour. I’m pretty sure we covered it with five principal cameras—16mm color—and a possible sixth rolling camera for audience shots.

(...)

We were still in the process of cutting the concert at the same time. His management did come back to me several times over the years to discuss the project, but nothing materialized. The film just sat there.

(...)

About five years ago, I get a call from someone saying, “Prince wants to talk to you.” He gets on the phone and says, “You’re not gonna hold me hostage are you?” [laughs] I told him no, I just want to get paid what was due back then! There was no other issue—I just wanted to get my due. After we settled up, I turned over the Met Center footage to him. Including all the camera originals and work prints.

He was very protective of his image back in the day, a little less today, but still wants to keep everything under lock and key. At the time, he didn’t ask about the dramatic scenes; it was like they didn’t exist. Nothing has been done with it. There’s not a lot there though, because it was just the start of the whole idea.


In fact, I thought the footage of those sequences was lost. I called the film lab we originally used and various post-houses around Minneapolis looking for it. No luck. But a little over a year ago, I did manage to locate it in my vault. I sent him a few letters and never heard anything. So if I see him one day, I’ll let him know it’s safe and secure. Maybe if he sees this interview, he’ll reach out to me. Or sue me—one of the two. [laughs] I technically own the footage but can’t do anything with it due to licensing restrictions.

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Reply #825 posted 05/02/17 10:59am

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Hey everyone, I have a message to deliver here on behalf of Sifi:

"Hi all, due to the blocking of my account, I cannot read or answer any orgnotes. The block will last another 5 days I believe. However, I will cancel my account after that time anyway. Thank you for listening. Ciao! Sifi."


What a disappointment. ...pleaz Sifi. ..if u read me reconsider ur decision...please 2 times!
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Reply #826 posted 05/02/17 11:03am

NorthC

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:



NorthC said:


BartVanHemelen said:


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Based on what? Go on, list all of those concerts that were filmed on film and not on video. Doing things on film was back then a fuckload harder than video, and more expensive. Sheesh, Prince filmed SOTT on film and then had close to zero workable footage and ended up reshooting a phoney concert at PP.



Ehhh... Dortmund 88? That one shows what could be done when Prince worked with a good director, the late great Egbert van Hees.

Was that not filmed on video as well?


I don't know, that's why I'm asking.
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Reply #827 posted 05/02/17 11:06am

NorthC

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minneapolisgenius said:

Hey everyone, I have a message to deliver here on behalf of Sifi:

"Hi all, due to the blocking of my account, I cannot read or answer any orgnotes. The block will last another 5 days I believe. However, I will cancel my account after that time anyway. Thank you for listening. Ciao! Sifi."


What a disappointment. ...pleaz Sifi. ..if u read me reconsider ur decision...please 2 times!

Maybe WB didn't like it that Sifi was giving away insiders' information?
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Reply #828 posted 05/02/17 11:13am

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NorthC said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:

Was that not filmed on video as well?

I don't know, that's why I'm asking.

Ah fair enough, sorry :-p

I'm no expert but I think since the concert was broadcast live it would have almost certainly been shot on video.

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Reply #829 posted 05/02/17 11:22am

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master said:

KingSausage said:

It's always possible that someone will argue with mods instead of agreeing to not make further mistakes. In which case a ban could be appropriate. I'm not saying that's what happened here. But there might be stuff we don't know.

Regardless, I'd like to see SiFi back because he or she has GREAT inside information.

Anyone from Warner's should be banned until they release truthful statements or stop with the cashgrab releases.
They are causing a lot of disappointment.



WB can grab the fuck outta my cash as long as they keep releasing sets like this. Are they perfect? No. But it's not even $40 for the deluxe set. What the fuck.
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Reply #830 posted 05/02/17 11:31am

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NorthC said:

RaspBerryGirlFriend said:



NorthC said:


BartVanHemelen said:


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Based on what? Go on, list all of those concerts that were filmed on film and not on video. Doing things on film was back then a fuckload harder than video, and more expensive. Sheesh, Prince filmed SOTT on film and then had close to zero workable footage and ended up reshooting a phoney concert at PP.



Ehhh... Dortmund 88? That one shows what could be done when Prince worked with a good director, the late great Egbert van Hees.

Was that not filmed on video as well?


I don't know, that's why I'm asking.


Video
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Reply #831 posted 05/02/17 11:41am

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Okay.
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Reply #832 posted 05/02/17 11:46am

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One other thing I would like to see included in the release is the Purple Rain movie on Bluray. I know it's been released but maybe that would be a nice option to include in case someone does not own the Blu Ray
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Reply #833 posted 05/02/17 12:15pm

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dsimp8 said:

One other thing I would like to see included in the release is the Purple Rain movie on Bluray. I know it's been released but maybe that would be a nice option to include in case someone does not own the Blu Ray



They could just, I don't know, buy it right now or something. I wouldn't want to give them any crazy suggestions though.
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Reply #834 posted 05/02/17 1:30pm

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love2thenines2003 said:

minneapolisgenius said:
Hey everyone, I have a message to deliver here on behalf of Sifi: "Hi all, due to the blocking of my account, I cannot read or answer any orgnotes. The block will last another 5 days I believe. However, I will cancel my account after that time anyway. Thank you for listening. Ciao! Sifi."
What a disappointment. ...pleaz Sifi. ..if u read me reconsider ur decision...please 2 times!


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Reply #835 posted 05/02/17 1:38pm

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djThunderfunk said:



love2thenines2003 said:


minneapolisgenius said:
Hey everyone, I have a message to deliver here on behalf of Sifi: "Hi all, due to the blocking of my account, I cannot read or answer any orgnotes. The block will last another 5 days I believe. However, I will cancel my account after that time anyway. Thank you for listening. Ciao! Sifi."

What a disappointment. ...pleaz Sifi. ..if u read me reconsider ur decision...please 2 times!


yeahthat Solid info that's not mired in biased opinion is always welcome here. Please give us a 2nd chance. wink




I'M with u on this one....please. ...Minneapolisgenius transmit this message 2 Sifi !? Thanx
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Reply #836 posted 05/02/17 1:44pm

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KingSausage said:

master said:
Anyone from Warner's should be banned until they release truthful statements or stop with the cashgrab releases. They are causing a lot of disappointment.
WB can grab the fuck outta my cash as long as they keep releasing sets like this. Are they perfect? No. But it's not even $40 for the deluxe set. What the fuck.


Well said, KS!

Rather than focus on what the set doesn't include, I'll judge it by what is included and the price point.

Sure, I'd rather have an 8CD/4BD set, housed in a truly deluxe packaging that looks great displayed on a shelf and includes every possible track and video with any whatsoever relation to the Purple Rain project plus other collectible goodies like a t-shirt or reprint of the tour book. I'd gladly pay premium prices for such a release.

That said, for what IS included, I'm happy to drop less than $35 for the remaster, a disc of vault tracks, a disc of singles tracks and a DVD of the LOOOOONG out of print Syracuse show.

I get the feelings some have about the the singles tracks, but, including such things in sets like this is standard and logical and who isn't happy to finally get God Instrumental & Another Lonely Christmas Extended on CD? As for the DVD release of Syracuse, it's about fricking time! No?

I can't wait. Especially looking forward to pristine copies of Prince doing Dance Electric, Computer Blue Extended & We Can Fuck. Those 3 tracks alone make it a must have in my opinion.

cool


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Reply #837 posted 05/02/17 1:57pm

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djThunderfunk said:



love2thenines2003 said:


minneapolisgenius said:
Hey everyone, I have a message to deliver here on behalf of Sifi: "Hi all, due to the blocking of my account, I cannot read or answer any orgnotes. The block will last another 5 days I believe. However, I will cancel my account after that time anyway. Thank you for listening. Ciao! Sifi."

What a disappointment. ...pleaz Sifi. ..if u read me reconsider ur decision...please 2 times!


yeahthat Solid info that's not mired in biased opinion is always welcome here. Please give us a 2nd chance. wink


Like I said before, it may not be Si's decision. It could be that WB doesn't want Si leaking information. Or videos. That's an explanation that would make sense to me.
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Reply #838 posted 05/02/17 3:56pm

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BartVanHemelen said:

bluegangsta said:

And this is yet another example of why Warners/ Estate should be woking with fans. It wouldn't s

surprise me if we have more than what they do.

.

If they can't locate the master tape in the mess that Prince's vault seems to be, then it is pointless.

There have been plenty of "Deluxe Edition" where the bonus content hasn't been sourced from a master tape.

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Reply #839 posted 05/02/17 4:11pm

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I wonder if best buy or Target will have a exclusive extra song if u buy the purple rain cd from their store? That's a pretty common thing now days.
Just imagine , "17 days" extended version available on purple rain cd ONLY if you buy it from best buy
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