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Reply #600 posted 04/29/17 4:44am

MiceElfAgin

bluegangsta said:

You can tell from the snippet that upscaling the video (whatever format...) would be next to useless. The only benifit for a Blu Ray release would be lossless sound.

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It's not about upscaling (although a little bit of improvement can be achieved that way too). It's about having it on BluRay to avoid the horrible 4% speed up of PAL DVDs. It's a music video, so even if the picture quality is not that great, at least the music should play in the right key and tempo!

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Reply #601 posted 04/29/17 4:48am

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MiceElfAgin said:

bluegangsta said:

You can tell from the snippet that upscaling the video (whatever format...) would be next to useless. The only benifit for a Blu Ray release would be lossless sound.

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It's not about upscaling (although a little bit of improvement can be achieved that way too). It's about having it on BluRay to avoid the horrible 4% speed up of PAL DVDs. It's a music video, so even if the picture quality is not that great, at least the music should play in the right key and tempo!

[Edited 4/29/17 4:45am]

Many lables are aware of the 4% speed up, so they correct it before it goes to press. Otherwise, buy the NTSC version?

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Reply #602 posted 04/29/17 4:52am

MiceElfAgin

bluegangsta said:

MiceElfAgin said:

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It's not about upscaling (although a little bit of improvement can be achieved that way too). It's about having it on BluRay to avoid the horrible 4% speed up of PAL DVDs. It's a music video, so even if the picture quality is not that great, at least the music should play in the right key and tempo!

[Edited 4/29/17 4:45am]

Many lables are aware of the 4% speed up, so they correct it before it goes to press. Otherwise, buy the NTSC version?

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You can only correct the key by digital pitchshifting, but that won't correct the speedup in tempo.

NTSC is worse in picture quality.

We need BluRay.

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Reply #603 posted 04/29/17 4:55am

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MiceElfAgin said:

You can only correct the key by digital pitchshifting, but that won't correct the speedup in tempo.

What? They change the speed of the playback BEFORE they convert it to PAL. Then, it's the correct speed.

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Reply #604 posted 04/29/17 5:13am

MiceElfAgin

bluegangsta said:

MiceElfAgin said:

You can only correct the key by digital pitchshifting, but that won't correct the speedup in tempo.

What? They change the speed of the playback BEFORE they convert it to PAL. Then, it's the correct speed.

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smile It's far from being as simple as you might think. Coverting 24fps to 25fps is a tricky task and is never without negative side-effects.

We need BluRay. I think Warners could afford the the extra cost in mastering.

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Reply #605 posted 04/29/17 5:19am

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MiceElfAgin said:

bluegangsta said:

Many lables are aware of the 4% speed up, so they correct it before it goes to press. Otherwise, buy the NTSC version?

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You can only correct the key by digital pitchshifting, but that won't correct the speedup in tempo.

NTSC is worse in picture quality.

We need BluRay.


I don't know where you get that. NTSC has a faster frame rate than PAL, and besides the show was shot in NTSC. So, there's not going to be any conversion difficuties or anything like that.

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Reply #606 posted 04/29/17 5:20am

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MiceElfAgin said:

bluegangsta said:

What? They change the speed of the playback BEFORE they convert it to PAL. Then, it's the correct speed.

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smile It's far from being as simple as you might think. Coverting 24fps to 25fps is a tricky task and is never without negative side-effects.

Oh, boy - I guess I should have spent 3 years in film school or something...

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Reply #607 posted 04/29/17 5:27am

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1. Actually WE all actually KNOW nothing when it comes to the vault. None of us have seen it or been in it. The one thing we do know is that back in the 90s HM Buff (pretty sure it was him) said in an interview that the vault was in a bad way and that many of the tapes were deteriorating and needed to be baked and also digitised but that Prince wasn't that interested (at the time).

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There have been several independent stories of the vault's AC having failed, of tapes being strewn accross the floor, of it being so full tapes were stacked in the room before the vault, etc. Considering the Elvis estate admitting to having parties each weekend to fund repairs of PP because some parts were in a bad state is also not reassuring.

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Reply #608 posted 04/29/17 5:30am

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JudasLChrist said:

I don't have any love for Blueray. It makes films look like video.

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Utter nonsense.

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Reply #609 posted 04/29/17 5:34am

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BartVanHemelen said:



JudasLChrist said:



I don't have any love for Blueray. It makes films look like video.



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Utter nonsense.




Right?! I wonder if they have the "soap opera effect" but are blaming the blu-ray format rather than changing settings on their HDTV.
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Reply #610 posted 04/29/17 5:35am

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jaypotton said:

jaypotton said:
True. He even swore on Funknroll so I agree there was a relaxing of the JW side.
Actually Laura thought about this some more and still strongly believe THIS set is not what Prince envisaged (swearing point aside).

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What Prince envisaged was him having his cake and eating it as well.

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Reply #611 posted 04/29/17 5:37am

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When I had lunch with Manuela in February, she confirmed that there were occasions when Prince would ask for a reel to be brought up to the studio from the vault, and it would be damaged beyond repair cry

And that, of course, was over 10 years ago.



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Reply #612 posted 04/29/17 5:39am

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Sifi said:

Hi there, I am getting strong signals that Warner is definitely listening to the comments posted here and elsewhere online. They ARE 100% aware of the expectations based on previous statements. I am convinced they are working hard getting the First Avenue 1983 show up to standards for release.

Unfortunately, it won’t be in time for the announced June 23rd release, but that was the original plan.

It's not someone’s deliberate choice or fault, it's just a matter of how things are, production-wise.

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Exactly. And there couldn't be much more delay, because then they were competing with long-planned Autumn releases and the compilations etc. for the Christmas market etc. This needed to be out ASAP, simple as that. I wouldn't be surprised if there are other promo activities tied to this, including perhaps exclusive magazine features etc., and those were tied to a schedule as well. Delaying this more weeks or even months was likely not an option.

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Reply #613 posted 04/29/17 5:41am

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bluegangsta said:

Are you aware of any justifacation for the lack of "two albums of unreleased material"?

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As I've said before: August 1983 show = "album of unreleased material". I've warned in the past that you shouldn't take record company promises literally.

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Reply #614 posted 04/29/17 5:42am

tbokris

That's not good. Not good at all

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Militant said:

When I had lunch with Manuela in February, she confirmed that there were occasions when Prince would ask for a reel to be brought up to the studio from the vault, and it would be damaged beyond repair cry

And that, of course, was over 10 years ago.



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Reply #615 posted 04/29/17 5:51am

KingSausage

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Militant said:

When I had lunch with Manuela in February, she confirmed that there were occasions when Prince would ask for a reel to be brought up to the studio from the vault, and it would be damaged beyond repair cry



And that, of course, was over 10 years ago.






That's awful.
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Reply #616 posted 04/29/17 5:59am

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BartVanHemelen said:

JudasLChrist said:

I don't have any love for Blueray. It makes films look like video.

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Utter nonsense.


Fuck you Bart! smile

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Reply #617 posted 04/29/17 6:04am

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KingSausage said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Utter nonsense.

Right?! I wonder if they have the "soap opera effect" but are blaming the blu-ray format rather than changing settings on their HDTV.


Et tu, Brute?

Honestly, my only experiene with Blue Ray is going over to my friends house and watching classic movies, and they just look really weird. They look like video, that's the only way I can describe it. I don't know what 'the soap opera effect' is.

Note: I used to work in video production, and spent hours upon hours dealing with issues of video quality, but that was before blu-ray, really.

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Reply #618 posted 04/29/17 6:07am

Identity

BartVanHemelen said:

There have been several independent stories of the vault's AC having failed, of tapes being strewn accross the floor, of it being so full tapes were stacked in the room before the vault, etc. Considering the Elvis estate admitting to having parties each weekend to fund repairs of PP because some parts were in a bad state is also not reassuring.




Indeed, PP had suffered from long-neglected maintenance and needed repairs:


Several million dollars were spent last year to rehabilitate the 30-year-old building, including work on the roof and the heating and cooling systems. More structural work was needed. Money for all this could not come from the estate, which has the first priority of paying off an estimated $100 million tax bill heightened by Prince’s lack of a will. (Star Tribune, April 2017)

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Reply #619 posted 04/29/17 6:09am

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JudasLChrist said:



KingSausage said:


BartVanHemelen said:


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Utter nonsense.



Right?! I wonder if they have the "soap opera effect" but are blaming the blu-ray format rather than changing settings on their HDTV.


Et tu, Brute?

Honestly, my only experiene with Blue Ray is going over to my friends house and watching classic movies, and they just look really weird. They look like video, that's the only way I can describe it. I don't know what 'the soap opera effect' is.

Note: I used to work in video production, and spent hours upon hours dealing with issues of video quality, but that was before blu-ray, really.




The settings on your friend's TV are probably good for things like sports but shitty for films. For example, Samsung HDTVs have a setting called "Action Motion Plus" or some bullshit. It's terrible for movies. It WILL make them look like video because it messes with the frame rate.
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Reply #620 posted 04/29/17 6:46am

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Much appreciation to SiFi for bringing the real talk in here.

And you folks complaining that you have these (unreleased) songs already: are you the same ones who said, "hey man, I'd buy 'em if I could!"? lol

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Reply #621 posted 04/29/17 6:51am

tbokris

Touché. So many whiners up in this nasty joint

said:

Much appreciation to SiFi for bringing the real talk in here.

And you folks complaining that you have these (unreleased) songs already: are you the same ones who said, "hey man, I'd buy 'em if I could!"? lol

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Reply #622 posted 04/29/17 7:07am

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eyewishuheaven said:

Much appreciation to SiFi for bringing the real talk in here.

And you folks complaining that you have these (unreleased) songs already: are you the same ones who said, "hey man, I'd buy 'em if I could!"? lol

The primary complaint regarding the unreleased song is that there are supposed to be "two albums".

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Reply #623 posted 04/29/17 7:13am

leecaldon

JudasLChrist said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Utter nonsense.


Fuck you Bart! smile

I'm with Bart on this one smile

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Reply #624 posted 04/29/17 7:13am

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bluegangsta said:

eyewishuheaven said:

Much appreciation to SiFi for bringing the real talk in here.

And you folks complaining that you have these (unreleased) songs already: are you the same ones who said, "hey man, I'd buy 'em if I could!"? lol

The primary complaint regarding the unreleased song is that there are supposed to be "two albums".


I get that, and they have a fair point. I was talking to the people saying, "I already have these!"

That said, while it was pretty sketchy to say "two albums", we are getting 76 minutes of unreleased music here. That's longer than 1999, and almost as long as Sign o' the Times!

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Reply #625 posted 04/29/17 7:15am

leecaldon

KingSausage said:

Militant said:

When I had lunch with Manuela in February, she confirmed that there were occasions when Prince would ask for a reel to be brought up to the studio from the vault, and it would be damaged beyond repair cry

And that, of course, was over 10 years ago.



That's awful.

I'd not heard this before, and it fills me with sadness. I wonder if 'beyond repair' is beyond what they could do in PP or beyond what is possible with money and expertise.

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Reply #626 posted 04/29/17 7:25am

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Militant said:

When I had lunch with Manuela in February, she confirmed that there were occasions when Prince would ask for a reel to be brought up to the studio from the vault, and it would be damaged beyond repair cry

And that, of course, was over 10 years ago.



Manuela chats shite. No tapes are gonna be damaged "beyond repair" just laying in a room. Damaged sure, but not beyond repair

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Reply #627 posted 04/29/17 7:35am

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BartVanHemelen said:



bluegangsta said:





Are you aware of any justifacation for the lack of "two albums of unreleased material"?



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As I've said before: August 1983 show = "album of unreleased material". I've warned in the past that you shouldn't take record company promises literally.


If you promise two albums of unreleased music PLUS two concert films, then those are oviously two different things. And, no matter how you look at it, WB didn't keep that promise.
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Reply #628 posted 04/29/17 7:37am

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Revolution81 said:

Militant said:

When I had lunch with Manuela in February, she confirmed that there were occasions when Prince would ask for a reel to be brought up to the studio from the vault, and it would be damaged beyond repair cry

And that, of course, was over 10 years ago.



Manuela chats shite. No tapes are gonna be damaged "beyond repair" just laying in a room. Damaged sure, but not beyond repair


Of course tapes can be damaged beyond repair. In fact, stored properly tapes still deteriorate, given enough time they deteriorate beyond repair. Stored improperly, it happens even faster.


Ross Perot was right!!
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Reply #629 posted 04/29/17 7:40am

jjam

Revolution81 said:

Militant said:

When I had lunch with Manuela in February, she confirmed that there were occasions when Prince would ask for a reel to be brought up to the studio from the vault, and it would be damaged beyond repair cry

And that, of course, was over 10 years ago.



Manuela chats shite. No tapes are gonna be damaged "beyond repair" just laying in a room. Damaged sure, but not beyond repair

Yep. You even had the recent case of some Bob Marley reels having been discovered in a London hotel basement, which were heavily water damaged - but they've been restored.

I know I've mentioned this before but the multis for his albums were digitally transferred in the early 2000s - so I don't buy into this whole thing of a lot of what's in the vault being beyond salvaging.

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