Mumio said:

Mumio said:

I'd like to know if all of the Watson 385 pills contained lethal doses of Fentanyl.

I never got the impression that all the pills were tested, only that a sample of them were, and even then I still didn't get the impression that all the pills that were tested, tested positive for fentanyl.

[Edited 4/7/17 16:46pm]

TheFreakerFantastic said:

I find it odd that almost one year on there has been total radio silence about the circumstances of his untimely death. I know that the police were doing an investigation but surely by now there should have been updates? I am a little concerned that this is getting brushed under the carpet while we are distracted by all these books and celebration cashing in events.

Why is his death being celebrated? This is concerning for me, it's almost as if its been celebrated because now money can be made without the risk of being sued. Band members can reunite and everything can now get released and exploited for cash and his wishes seem to have beem ignored, it's as if he wasn't a living breathing human!

Why wasn't the celebration in June as they always were? Why is it so ridiculously expensive? It just takes hardcore fans for the mugs that they often are!

If you compare this with George Michael, a proper investigation was done, they did proper tests before allowing the funeral and we now know it was heart failure. In contrast, it seems that they couldn't cremate Prince quick enough - odd seeing as this was a potential crime scene. Why, 1 year on have we really heard nothing and why is the .org and other places almost complicit in trying to brush this under the carpet by not allowing discussion on it. If this was murder, as I suspect, then those that did the murder have got exactly what they want - distracted fans and no mention of the circumstances of his death.

COME ON PPL - WE NEED ANSWERS AND IF WE ARE TRUE FANS WE SHOULD BE FIGHTING FOR THE TRUTH AND HIS WISHES NOT JUST MINDLESSLY BUYING ALL THE CASHING IN TRASH!

[Edited 4/2/17 9:35am]

Hi, I have the feeling, that we may never know what really happened. I for myself have come to several conclusions. The frist is that prince must have been really veryill before his death, only the real cause, why he was so illl, we may never know. I saw pictures and vidoes from his last performance in Deuce and he looked terribly sick there, frail and was a shadow of his former self. Whether his condition was caused by an illness, painkiller abuse or even poison, we may never know, but to me, all three possibilties could be very well possible. I believe it could have been a mix of of several causes though, not only one. then his nonstop working, sometimes not eating at all. contributed all further to it. If one is on a strict vega diet, you always have to make sure, you have enough vitains and minerals available in thte body. For me, it is very well possible that he had a terminal illness,and also had used painkillers for a certain amunt of and everything somehow got out of hand, as his condition worsened.For myself I start to see changes in his appearances starting from 2014 onwards and also his energy had changed. I believe the investigation is still ongoing, but is not being disclosed to public. If he suffered from a terminal illness, it seems odd, why this should not been made known. We the fans, have a very huge loss and so many open questions are swirling around in o ur heads. All theories could be true, the illness, the painkillers, even foulplay. The mislabelled bottles are very mysterious and who had placed that deadly fentanyl in the container. Maybe he ordered the meds online and got a bad batch, or someone put it deliberatelly. Maybe he was poisoned some time ago, all seems possible, . Or somebody wanted to take him out, but it does not really make sense, because he was already so sick, I also wonder, why nobody stepped in and brought him to a hospital, its all so strange. He was extremely tough and still managed to play a concert, while being in a very very serious state of health. It is really really sad.. To me, all theories could be true, but we all dont know it for sure. I even considered it to be possible that he had been poisoned with something but maybe he was just ill with something for a quite some tiime already.... its all guessing and no answers...... fact to me remains, that he was very sick prior to his passing and it still hurts so bad, that he has gone way to soon...

fortuneandserendipity said:

morningsong said:

Explains the bottles they were found in. That's kind of obvious, unfortunately. Easier not trying to spin it.

It's ashame, because a doctor wouldn't have known what to look for unless he saw the actual pills, then he would have been able to identify if they were counterfeit. I doubt a regular non-medical person could spot the fake, most people don't inspect their pills that closely. And a wealthy person? I'm sure there was a degree of assumption, that wealth equaled access.

Does she think they're going to examine his vitamin c, aspirin bottles? Just not gonna happen.

They check those as well and they are more likely to check those bottles because that's a felony crime to put meds in bottles that are not labled.

Prince in recent times had been hyper critical of the US government and had written Baltimore which took sides with Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter was called a terrorist group by the Republicans during the 2016 elections. There is no way with that political scrutiny that Prince would have been able to travel with controlled substances in bottles that were not labeled properly.

angel22 said:

TheFreakerFantastic said:

I find it odd that almost one year on there has been total radio silence about the circumstances of his untimely death. I know that the police were doing an investigation but surely by now there should have been updates? I am a little concerned that this is getting brushed under the carpet while we are distracted by all these books and celebration cashing in events.

Why is his death being celebrated? This is concerning for me, it's almost as if its been celebrated because now money can be made without the risk of being sued. Band members can reunite and everything can now get released and exploited for cash and his wishes seem to have beem ignored, it's as if he wasn't a living breathing human!

Why wasn't the celebration in June as they always were? Why is it so ridiculously expensive? It just takes hardcore fans for the mugs that they often are!

If you compare this with George Michael, a proper investigation was done, they did proper tests before allowing the funeral and we now know it was heart failure. In contrast, it seems that they couldn't cremate Prince quick enough - odd seeing as this was a potential crime scene. Why, 1 year on have we really heard nothing and why is the .org and other places almost complicit in trying to brush this under the carpet by not allowing discussion on it. If this was murder, as I suspect, then those that did the murder have got exactly what they want - distracted fans and no mention of the circumstances of his death.

COME ON PPL - WE NEED ANSWERS AND IF WE ARE TRUE FANS WE SHOULD BE FIGHTING FOR THE TRUTH AND HIS WISHES NOT JUST MINDLESSLY BUYING ALL THE CASHING IN TRASH!

[Edited 4/2/17 9:35am]

Hi, I have the feeling, that we may never know what really happened. I for myself have come to several conclusions. The frist is that prince must have been really veryill before his death, only the real cause, why he was so illl, we may never know. I saw pictures and vidoes from his last performance in Deuce and he looked terribly sick there, frail and was a shadow of his former self. Whether his condition was caused by an illness, painkiller abuse or even poison, we may never know, but to me, all three possibilties could be very well possible. I believe it could have been a mix of of several causes though, not only one. then his nonstop working, sometimes not eating at all. contributed all further to it. If one is on a strict vega diet, you always have to make sure, you have enough vitains and minerals available in thte body. For me, it is very well possible that he had a terminal illness,and also had used painkillers for a certain amunt of and everything somehow got out of hand, as his condition worsened.For myself I start to see changes in his appearances starting from 2014 onwards and also his energy had changed. I believe the investigation is still ongoing, but is not being disclosed to public. If he suffered from a terminal illness, it seems odd, why this should not been made known. We the fans, have a very huge loss and so many open questions are swirling around in o ur heads. All theories could be true, the illness, the painkillers, even foulplay. The mislabelled bottles are very mysterious and who had placed that deadly fentanyl in the container. Maybe he ordered the meds online and got a bad batch, or someone put it deliberatelly. Maybe he was poisoned some time ago, all seems possible, . Or somebody wanted to take him out, but it does not really make sense, because he was already so sick, I also wonder, why nobody stepped in and brought him to a hospital, its all so strange. He was extremely tough and still managed to play a concert, while being in a very very serious state of health. It is really really sad.. To me, all theories could be true, but we all dont know it for sure. I even considered it to be possible that he had been poisoned with something but maybe he was just ill with something for a quite some tiime already.... its all guessing and no answers...... fact to me remains, that he was very sick prior to his passing and it still hurts so bad, that he has gone way to soon...

I agree.

He was sick from something and I don't believe it was from drug abuse.

Mumio said:

I'd like to know if all of the Watson 385 pills contained lethal doses of Fentanyl.

I was told the ones that one bottle had at least 20 pills that contained amounts of Fentanyl of differing amounts.

what still gets me mad is so many of his inner circle fricking KNEW! He ODed on the 14th and had some even on the 7th too and there had to be events before that too! and still they all left him alone.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

paulludvig said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

what still gets me mad is so many of his inner circle fricking KNEW! He ODed on the 14th and had some even on the 7th too and there had to be events before that too! and still they all left him alone.

They 7th? Other events?

something caused him to cancel the shows in the 7th and there was at leat one other time years ago (also on April 21) that he had his stomach pumped.

but yeah they had to know that he was in grave danger and he was desperate for pain relief and someone got him drugs from some source outside the legal channels.

accident or not it was a homicide...

I don't think the inner circle knew as much as people think.

How would someone know if you were given counterfeit drugs? Even if Prince got mail order drugs he would think that they were his regular meds. No one knew that Fentanyl was in those pills!

muleFunk said:

I don't think the inner circle knew as much as people think.

How would someone know if you were given counterfeit drugs? Even if Prince got mail order drugs he would think that they were his regular meds. No one knew that Fentanyl was in those pills!

they knew what happened on the flight

someone got him the drugs... do you think he called a dealer and no one knew?

they were with him at the drug store on the 20th... someone knew what was up... and they had called that doctor too! they knew...

muleFunk said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

Does she think they're going to examine his vitamin c, aspirin bottles? Just not gonna happen.

They check those as well and they are more likely to check those bottles because that's a felony crime to put meds in bottles that are not labled.

Prince in recent times had been hyper critical of the US government and had written Baltimore which took sides with Black Lives Matter. Black Lives Matter was called a terrorist group by the Republicans during the 2016 elections. There is no way with that political scrutiny that Prince would have been able to travel with controlled substances in bottles that were not labeled properly.

I doubt it. It's recognisably Prince Rogers Nelson and he's using a private plane. There's no way they're gonna spend wasted time looking through innocuously marked bottles.

Furthermore, the meds in these bottles were mislabelled so what's your point? They looked at them and just waived them through

muleFunk said:

angel22 said:

Hi, I have the feeling, that we may never know what really happened. I for myself have come to several conclusions. The frist is that prince must have been really veryill before his death, only the real cause, why he was so illl, we may never know. I saw pictures and vidoes from his last performance in Deuce and he looked terribly sick there, frail and was a shadow of his former self. Whether his condition was caused by an illness, painkiller abuse or even poison, we may never know, but to me, all three possibilties could be very well possible. I believe it could have been a mix of of several causes though, not only one. then his nonstop working, sometimes not eating at all. contributed all further to it. If one is on a strict vega diet, you always have to make sure, you have enough vitains and minerals available in thte body. For me, it is very well possible that he had a terminal illness,and also had used painkillers for a certain amunt of and everything somehow got out of hand, as his condition worsened.For myself I start to see changes in his appearances starting from 2014 onwards and also his energy had changed. I believe the investigation is still ongoing, but is not being disclosed to public. If he suffered from a terminal illness, it seems odd, why this should not been made known. We the fans, have a very huge loss and so many open questions are swirling around in o ur heads. All theories could be true, the illness, the painkillers, even foulplay. The mislabelled bottles are very mysterious and who had placed that deadly fentanyl in the container. Maybe he ordered the meds online and got a bad batch, or someone put it deliberatelly. Maybe he was poisoned some time ago, all seems possible, . Or somebody wanted to take him out, but it does not really make sense, because he was already so sick, I also wonder, why nobody stepped in and brought him to a hospital, its all so strange. He was extremely tough and still managed to play a concert, while being in a very very serious state of health. It is really really sad.. To me, all theories could be true, but we all dont know it for sure. I even considered it to be possible that he had been poisoned with something but maybe he was just ill with something for a quite some tiime already.... its all guessing and no answers...... fact to me remains, that he was very sick prior to his passing and it still hurts so bad, that he has gone way to soon...

I agree.

He was sick from something and I don't believe it was from drug abuse.

There's no convincing some people

fortuneandserendipity said:

muleFunk said:

I agree.

He was sick from something and I don't believe it was from drug abuse.

There's no convincing some people

I am not sure it was not both. Well, not abuse... but if he was on any form of opiate for chronic pain he would become dependent on it and unless he addressed the physical cause of the pain and then did a treatment he would still be dependent. and that is not a weakness. Add to any of that any other illness and it multiplies.

IIRC the tox report did not find evidence of a history of use.... I assume they did a hair test as well as blood and tissue. So what may have happened was a recent re-injury or due to some other health issue he resumed using pain pills but may have used a proxy (which can be legal). But in the end and apparently on the 14th he took a pill that was obtained from an illegitimate source.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

There's no convincing some people

I am not sure it was not both. Well, not abuse... but if he was on any form of opiate for chronic pain he would become dependent on it and unless he addressed the physical cause of the pain and then did a treatment he would still be dependent. and that is not a weakness. Add to any of that any other illness and it multiplies.

IIRC the tox report did not find evidence of a history of use.... I assume they did a hair test as well as blood and tissue. So what may have happened was a recent re-injury or due to some other health issue he resumed using pain pills but may have used a proxy (which can be legal). But in the end and apparently on the 14th he took a pill that was obtained from an illegitimate source.

No doubt and I agree with this but I think there was something sinister occuring.

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

His hairdresser of 29 yrs said in a podcast interview his death came as a shock, and said he was not ill... I have not heard anyone who was close to Prince ever say he was ill outside of hearing the flu. Where is the proof he was sick?

People need to realize that opiate withdrawal make people ill.

Will it give you a cold/congested type of reaction?

I know it will give you symptoms of stomach flu.

muleFunk said:

muleFunk said:

Strawberrylova123 said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said: People need to realize that opiate withdrawal make people ill.

Will it give you a cold/congested type of reaction?

I know it will give you symptoms of stomach flu.

here are some of the symptoms

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

muleFunk said:

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

His hairdresser of 29 yrs said in a podcast interview his death came as a shock, and said he was not ill... I have not heard anyone who was close to Prince ever say he was ill outside of hearing the flu. Where is the proof he was sick?

Mayte writes in her book that back in January she had gotten word that P was not doing well.

She wanted to go see him but sadly didn't make it.

I guess people close to him knew something was up a few months prior.

She also refers to it in the Build interview on YT, around 3:50 m.

https://www.youtube.com/w...eMyO_Csez0

[Edited 4/8/17 13:22pm]

rogifan said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

laurarichardson said:

fortuneandserendipity said:

There's no convincing some people

Because there is reason to think he had health issues do you not understand that joint pain is a health issue. Do you not understand what the long term effects of these meds. He was a human being who is capable of being ill. No one is saying he was not using drugs but if he was abusing so much how did even manage to his last tour? People who are dependent on these drugs manage but people who abusing them cannot. I believe he was taking those pills because he was in pain even Dr. K center deals with pain mgnt as well as rehab.

The 'living in denial of opiate withdrawal being a health issue' brigade

paradise000 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Um, first of all, no info has been made public about tests "that showed no long-term drug use." What was repoted: that he had a test prior to his death that was negative for fentanyl. It was not reported the date of that test, but fentanyl can be detected for only 3 - 5 days in the blood.

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Now, consider this: Perhaps the tests results Dr. S was delivering on April 21 were from drug tests conducted during Prince's April 20 visit with him. Not to tell Prince if he ODed a week earlier (I think Prince knew perfectly well he ODed on the plane) but to detect if any opioids were still in his system. Reason: Because to start on withdrawal treatment with Suboxone (the medication Dr F's son had with him), you cannot have opioids in your system. So either Prince agreed (or someone else convinced/tricked him) to be tested on April 20 so he could start treatment the next morning. Of course it was all moot since he never made it to the next morning.

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This make a million times more sense that the absurd theories going around here. Of course, I don't have some mental block acknowledging that at the time of his death Prince was struggling with a serious opioid addiction

PurpleDiamonds1 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

what still gets me mad is so many of his inner circle fricking KNEW! He ODed on the 14th and had some even on the 7th too and there had to be events before that too! and still they all left him alone.

Who knew this? It has been discussed that test results had showed no long term drug use.... If Prince knew he OD on the 14th he would not have gone to Dr S for tests to be told he OD on the plane ... he would have known what was going on with him but instead He went to Dr S for tests because he did not know what happened on the plane.

laurarichardson said: