iZsaZsa said:

When I finally hear this song it better be like the 8th wonder of the world.

PRNelson said:

I think equally as surprising is learning that Prince would record a song for somebody and then make a tape copy to send to the artist. He would then permenantly delete his vocal from the original version for the artist to record onto. This was stated by one of his 90s engineers in the remembering prince podcasts.

ow, that would be bad news i would love to hear prince's vocals on tracks like
'time waits for no one' and 'love...thy will be done' or '101' etc.

benefit is that we might still see more leaks of the tapes *with* his vocals, since
a lot of them are already circulating and more are bound to show up in future.

it would just have been very cool if the estate had been able to, in time, compile
a box of all the song he gave away, with his own vocals.

PRNelson said:

I think equally as surprising is learning that Prince would record a song for somebody and then make a tape copy to send to the artist. He would then permenantly delete his vocal from the original version for the artist to record onto. This was stated by one of his 90s engineers in the remembering prince podcasts.

It's been said to have happened to NC2U.

This is unlikely to have happened for each and every track he gave to others: he had kept his vocals for Mad and The Funky design at least, that we know. And we have numerous bootlegs with his guide vocals so many recording of those are also likely to have survived one way or another, if only on tape even if the multi-tracks vocals were deleted.

Regarding artists outside of his realm that he sent songs to, he would send them a multi-track with his guide vocals, so I fail to see why he would bother to erase his own vocal track after doing so. We also know that he kept his own cuts of Van Gogh and Five Women since he released them after giving them to another artist.

Regarding his side-projects it's not unthinkable that he'd sometimes do it though, because if he'd give a song to The Time or or Sheila or The Family or the NPG or Bria, he would consider the song as being intended to be sang by another person's voice, so keeping his original vocals would probably make as little sense to him as, say, keeping the original synth tracks he'd record as guidelines for Eric or the Hornheads to base their horns recordings on, or for Fischer to record the orchestra: for example we have a version of Pink Cashmere with synth, but he clearly never had any intention of releasing it as such, so he may have deleted his guidelines once he received the orchestral tapes.

Of course having his vocal versions of all those tracks or the synth guidelines he'd record for horns or strings would certainly be a formidable documentation and I hope as much of it as possible has survived, but we need to keep in mind that the released versions are the "final" product, and therefore represent Prince's vision of what those songs were meant to be, while the versions with his own vocals do not (I'm talking of the side projects under his control here, not the songs he sent to random artists to do whatever they wanted to with).

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^ This being said I would give a SHITLOAD of money to hear Prince's vocal guides for all the Carmen Electra tracks. It must just be so fucked up

databank said:

sulls said:

Militant said:

It did for me. I got incredibly emotional.

Whoa.

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TheEnglishGent said:

RJOrion said:

TheEnglishGent said:

That's right, it's just going to be another song. SR also talked about Moonbeam Levels with similar enthusiasm so I certainly wouldn't expecting anything earth shattering from Wally.

exactly....when i finally heard Moonbeam Levels, i was very disappointed...Prince didnt release them joints for a reason...

Prince liked ML a lot according to Susan.

dodger said:

TheEnglishGent said:

That's right, it's just going to be another song. SR also talked about Moonbeam Levels with similar enthusiasm so I certainly wouldn't expecting anything earth shattering from Wally.

Also, she didn't speak very highly of Adonis & Bathsheba, which I think is a stunning song, so I guess it's just her opinion.

So true! I LOVE Adonis and Bathsheba, so we can always be positively surprised.

Telecaster5 said:

dodger said:

TheEnglishGent said: Also, she didn't speak very highly of Adonis & Bathsheba, which I think is a stunning song, so I guess it's just her opinion.

So true! I LOVE Adonis and Bathsheba, so we can always be positively surprised.

One has to admit A&B is corny as fuck, though

databank said:

databank said:

RJOrion said:

TheEnglishGent said: exactly....when i finally heard Moonbeam Levels, i was very disappointed...Prince didnt release them joints for a reason...

Prince liked ML a lot according to Susan.

And also according to Prince. I remember a Q & A from one of his old websites, where a fan asked if Moonbeam Levels would ever be released, because it was one of her favorites, and he mentioned that it was one of his favorites, too.

databank said:

Telecaster5 said:

So true! I LOVE Adonis and Bathsheba, so we can always be positively surprised.

One has to admit A&B is corny as fuck, though

No doubt but he is the Prince of corn. I realised that when I first heard that 'I'm so cold, hold me' shit at the end of Do Me, Baby

paulludvig said:

databank said:

One has to admit A&B is corny as fuck, though

Not really. Some of the lyrics are quite odd and there's some unusual harmonic changes that make the song intriguing and a bit unsettling and not just sweet and beautiful

I have to admit I didn't listen to it much. i'll try again bearing that in mind

dodger said:

databank said:

One has to admit A&B is corny as fuck, though

No doubt but he is the Prince of corn. I realised that when I first heard that 'I'm so cold, hold me' shit at the end of Do Me, Baby

LOL Still, many in the audience would say he turned up the heat with that routine, so he got what he wanted. : )

Great points! To be honest, after hearing some descriptions of Wally, I would love to hear version(s) of it. It's good to remember other considerations and context, though. With an unreleased song, we can't know what the "final product(s)" would have been, had he ever decided to release the song.

databank said:

PRNelson said:

I think equally as surprising is learning that Prince would record a song for somebody and then make a tape copy to send to the artist. He would then permenantly delete his vocal from the original version for the artist to record onto. This was stated by one of his 90s engineers in the remembering prince podcasts.

It's been said to have happened to NC2U.

This is unlikely to have happened for each and every track he gave to others: he had kept his vocals for Mad and The Funky design at least, that we know. And we have numerous bootlegs with his guide vocals so many recording of those are also likely to have survived one way or another, if only on tape even if the multi-tracks vocals were deleted.

Regarding artists outside of his realm that he sent songs to, he would send them a multi-track with his guide vocals, so I fail to see why he would bother to erase his own vocal track after doing so. We also know that he kept his own cuts of Van Gogh and Five Women since he released them after giving them to another artist.

Regarding his side-projects it's not unthinkable that he'd sometimes do it though, because if he'd give a song to The Time or or Sheila or The Family or the NPG or Bria, he would consider the song as being intended to be sang by another person's voice, so keeping his original vocals would probably make as little sense to him as, say, keeping the original synth tracks he'd record as guidelines for Eric or the Hornheads to base their horns recordings on, or for Fischer to record the orchestra: for example we have a version of Pink Cashmere with synth, but he clearly never had any intention of releasing it as such, so he may have deleted his guidelines once he received the orchestral tapes.

Of course having his vocal versions of all those tracks or the synth guidelines he'd record for horns or strings would certainly be a formidable documentation and I hope as much of it as possible has survived, but we need to keep in mind that the released versions are the "final" product, and therefore represent Prince's vision of what those songs were meant to be, while the versions with his own vocals do not (I'm talking of the side projects under his control here, not the songs he sent to random artists to do whatever they wanted to with).

[Edited 1/26/17 0:32am]

[Edited 1/26/17 9:18am]

wonder why he redid it, wonder if he regretted erasing it.

dodger said:

databank said:

One has to admit A&B is corny as fuck, though

No doubt but he is the Prince of corn. I realised that when I first heard that 'I'm so cold, hold me' shit at the end of Do Me, Baby

LOLOLOL...i didnt really become a hardcore Prince fan until after 1999 had been out for awhile... i liked his first two albums immediately but when Dirty Mind & Controversy first came out, i thought he had lost his mind... i remember hearing the ending of "Do Me Baby", and thinking, "What kinda grown ass man says some punkass shit like that after gettin busy???"...but after awhile, it didnt matter tho...Prince was and still is, THAT dude...the years and years of brilliant music and amazing performances garnered him a lifetime pass for some of the head scratching things he's said and done over the years... that said, some of the shit he says on "Insatiable" is suspect and corny too

databank said:

^ This being said I would give a SHITLOAD of money to hear Prince's vocal guides for all the Carmen Electra tracks. It must just be so fucked up

Why have I never thought of this possibility?

dodger said:

databank said:

One has to admit A&B is corny as fuck, though

No doubt but he is the Prince of corn. I realised that when I first heard that 'I'm so cold, hold me' shit at the end of Do Me, Baby

I have now decided that "corny" is a completely meaningless word. I never could figure out what it really meant--any more than I could figure out cheesy.

But I don't guess it matters. I like real cheese and I'm okay with real corn, so I guess whatever it means metaphorically--sure, Adonis and Bathsheba is corny, the end of Do Me, Baby is corny, and The Arms of Orion is a big old plate of cheese on top of corn. I'll eat it.

Maybe not all three of them in a row, of course.

EddieC said:

databank said:

^ This being said I would give a SHITLOAD of money to hear Prince's vocal guides for all the Carmen Electra tracks. It must just be so fucked up

Why have I never thought of this possibility?

"my name is princey, princey on top"

EddieC said:

databank said:

^ This being said I would give a SHITLOAD of money to hear Prince's vocal guides for all the Carmen Electra tracks. It must just be so fucked up

Why have I never thought of this possibility?

IDK, I just want' em

jjam said:

TheEnglishGent said:

SR said he destroyed the song, then, "I heard he may have re-recorded the song later".

There is nothing in this interview to suggest that the original recording still exists.

There is! She states at 4.19 that Prince made a copy of the original version into cassette before the erasing of the recording tape happened.

Ah yes, that was subtle!

EddieC said:

dodger said:

No doubt but he is the Prince of corn. I realised that when I first heard that 'I'm so cold, hold me' shit at the end of Do Me, Baby

I have now decided that "corny" is a completely meaningless word. I never could figure out what it really meant--any more than I could figure out cheesy.

But I don't guess it matters. I like real cheese and I'm okay with real corn, so I guess whatever it means metaphorically--sure, Adonis and Bathsheba is corny, the end of Do Me, Baby is corny, and The Arms of Orion is a big old plate of cheese on top of corn. I'll eat it.

Maybe not all three of them in a row, of course.

you just blew Do Me, Baby out the water.

.

Yes, I guess as Prince fans we get accustomed to the corn and embrace the cheese.

dodger said:

TheEnglishGent said:

Moonbeam said:

TheEnglishGent said:

That's right, it's just going to be another song. SR also talked about Moonbeam Levels with similar enthusiasm so I certainly wouldn't expecting anything earth shattering from Wally.

And "Moonbeam Levels" might just be his greatest song, so I trust her judgment.

Nah.

IstenSzek said: