bluegangsta said:

seanski said:

I always wondered what were the songs on there and if he even gave it a title yet!!!

2000.

Strange Tales B4 the Rain

They will never release any full unreleased albums, apart from maybe crystal Ball or Dream Factory, something like 1989's Rave or 1996's Heart (acoustic album)... just too specific and limited in terms of sales.

Expect 'best of' the Vault series next year. No specific time frame concerning the tracks on them, but more a collection of classic outakes that we heard on Cystal Ball and other stuff like Electric Intercourse.

Sad but true. Personally it's a release of Rave i would love, great album and vibe, very bright catchy spiritual music.

databank said:

Madrid 2 Chicago. Well obviously that ain't gonna be the first thing they release, but I want this more than anything else!

This.

databank said:

Madrid 2 Chicago. Well obviously that ain't gonna be the first thing they release, but I want this more than anything else!

I am very surprised to see that many people asking for Dream Factory given that

1/ A lot of the songs on the last configuration were included on SOTT

2/ DF was, in the end, a work in progress of SOTT more than a different album

3/ It wasn't even finalised: Prince would have reworked that tracklist even if the Revolution hadn't been disbanded, given that the album wouldn't have been released before early 1987, i.e. 8 months or more after this configuration was made. If released, DF would probably have been more or less SOTT anyway.

I'm actually curious which of the 3 configurations exactly people would want out.

Of course, being a completist, I would certainly like to have all 3 configurations, and I would also like any other work in progress config of any other album released, but unless they do that digitally only, I fail to see much of a market for an album that's basically an early version of a released album, with so many songs already available.

Possibly all 3 configs, alongside Camille and CB, could be included on a massive digital package alongside a remastered SOTT, showing how the album was grown from start.

Or the unreleased songs from all 3 configurations of DF could maybe be compiled in a single DF album, if it doesn't conflict with Roadhouse Garden, admitting of course that RG was ever completed at all.

[Edited 11/7/16 2:28am]

I don't see them ever releasing things like Camille/CB/DF because of how much crossover there is with SOTT. I can see they could put a lot of the unrelesed material from these projects on a SOTT special edition bonus discs, but not release them by themselves. Like, maybe a limited LP of Camille on wreckastow day or something like that, maaaaaybe. But I still don't see it.

RumAndRaisin said:

They will never release any full unreleased albums, apart from maybe crystal Ball or Dream Factory, something like 1989's Rave or 1996's Heart (acoustic album)... just too specific and limited in terms of sales.

Expect 'best of' the Vault series next year. No specific time frame concerning the tracks on them, but more a collection of classic outakes that we heard on Cystal Ball and other stuff like Electric Intercourse.

Sad but true. Personally it's a release of Rave i would love, great album and vibe, very bright catchy spiritual music.

Yes, this is what I'm expecting. The Vault Series I, II etc with a bunch of unreleased, edits, remixes thrown together

Sign o the Times in remastered and stereophonic surround sound. The original album and the extended Adore Prince mentioned to the Peach and Black crew in 2010.

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Also add on out take jams like

Strange Relationship (With sitars and shit)

Crucial

Good Love

All of my Dreams

Dream Factory

Train

Witness 4 the prosecution

Big Tall Wall

Empty Room

Neon Telephone

Wouldn't u love 2 love me (1987 version)

interrorgator said:

I would be interested in the follow up that Prince spoke about years ago to 1999.

Yes hopefully it will get a release, this is one of the albums Im very curious to hear. I believe we will get many interesting albums in the years to come.

MIRvmn said:

interrorgator said:

I would be interested in the follow up that Prince spoke about years ago to 1999.

Yes hopefully it will get a release, this is one of the albums Im very curious to hear. I believe we will get many interesting albums in the years to come.

Actually there's no such thing. It's a common misconception that such an album exists, based on a misunderstanding of something Prince once said. Prince's quote from 1985 was: "I have the follow-up album to 1999. I could put it all together and play it for you".

People keep recognizing the first statement ("I have the follow-up album to 1999") while ignoring the second, which is in fact the key part: "I could put it all together".

In plain English this means: there is enough material in the vault for me to assemble such a record, I could do it (but I haven't). It's pretty far-fetched to understand this statement any other way.

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It is not unthinkable that working trackists exist, as it was rumored in the press back in 83-84 that Prince had began working on an album then scrapped it when WB greenlit PR (the film). Such tracklists may and probably do contain certain songs that ended-up on PR, though.

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It is also possible that Prince assembled such an album at a later date: IIRC he said in a recent interview something that suggested that he had been assembling some albums of vault material over the course of the last few years, for posterity.

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But, at least if we base our judgement on his 1985 quote, no such album was ever completed or even assembled, at least not at the time.

RumAndRaisin said:

They will never release any full unreleased albums, apart from maybe crystal Ball or Dream Factory, something like 1989's Rave or 1996's Heart (acoustic album)... just too specific and limited in terms of sales.

Expect 'best of' the Vault series next year. No specific time frame concerning the tracks on them, but more a collection of classic outakes that we heard on Cystal Ball and other stuff like Electric Intercourse.

Sad but true. Personally it's a release of Rave i would love, great album and vibe, very bright catchy spiritual music.

Roadhouse Garden would have public interest do to the Purple Rain connection. Prince and the Revolution. And if it's only 6 songs release it.

There's an issue in all of this that needs a bit of a rethink from the Org massive.
There seems to be a conflating of 'chart performance' with the idea of the viability of 'rarities' releases.
This doesn't hold any water because the market for the rarities side of things has never been other than specialist and most of these releases sell a consistent amount. Look at the McCartney or Dylan reissues/releases and their sales figures appear to be pretty much the same each time..to an audience with bated breath.
The fact that some of these, the McCartney ones in particular, earn a high chart placing is testament to the continuing low sales in general. Therefore Prince rarities/expanded releases can expect both factors to play.

The one exception to all of this, historically, even when record sales were much better, was 'The Beatles Anthology', a 6-disc three-release set of outtakes which 'sold more in the 90's than the Beatles had in the 60's' by some reports and certainly troubled the top 5 two years running.
This was exceptional, not just because it's them, but because their company's release strategy (a McCartney trait if you ask me as it follows with his own solo stuff) is to attempt to target a GENERAL audience even with rarities. A lot of people assume this is just the power of an artist's legacy when what should be 'minor' releases end up at number one (a very rare occurrence and I can only think of this example just now) but it's a strategic marketing that extends over the whole 'price-banding' attitude of the holding company.
I've been regularly comparing NPG to Apple Corps in its constitution as a holding/licensing company managed by the artists' intentions. I've no doubt that Prince watched what Apple Corps did closely (his comment in an interview revealing that he knew how much iTunes had paid The Beatles a clear testament since that figure is not on the record) and I expect 'high value' to be the strategy developed on his unreleased catalogue.
I've not seen 'discounted' Beatles since they got away from EMI control (when there were releases on budget labels) and although Warner have allowed Prince in the past few years to be selling well below what I'd expect, this may be on the side of retailers.

In any case, any slippage to 'low price high sales' thinking will be smacked hard on the bottom as the catalogue is devalued. In some ways, Prince, arguably, did this with his cover-mounted newspaper releases but then McCartney did it in the same period so it's hard to argue with the likely deals they made even if it did, perhaps, damage the expected price to pay for their releases, at least temporarily.

This also should affect end-user thinking. If you pay Warner premium price for repackaged hits, then surely there's an aspect of overvaluing the already-purchased that has an effect on the 'previously unreleased' packages we want.

In short, new material should be as highly priced as it is highly prized.

todesm said:

All of the "finished" unreleased projects ....

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I realize why you placed "finished" in quotes.

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And since nothing was truly finished unless Prince himself sanctioned the release... I say - none of them.

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I know, wishful thinking. But I'd bet money that however "finished" any of the projects might be, those in charge will figure out a way to "finish" them even more...

As others have said, I think it's highly unlikely that we'll see complete album configurations released in the future. The general public was aware of The Black Album, but the others are virtually unknown outside of the fandom, I suspect. And in the case of The Dream Factory/Crystal Ball/Camille - so much of that material has been released that it wouldn't make sense to reprodcue their tracklistings. I think it's a safer bet that we'll see some a collection focused on that period, including material from all three (and hopefully some stuff we don't already have).

CAL3 said:

paulludvig said:

CAL3 said:

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I realize why you placed "finished" in quotes.

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And since nothing was truly finished unless Prince himself sanctioned the release... I say - none of them.

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I know, wishful thinking. But I'd bet money that however "finished" any of the projects might be, those in charge will figure out a way to "finish" them even more...

Crystal Ball was finished and Prince wanted it released. It's time to right the wrong. Different with Dream Factory. That was just a work in progress.

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The only finished 'Crystal Ball' is the set that came out in '98.

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You really believe any wrongs will be righted at this point? I predict a whole new conception of "wrong" when vault releases eventually begin emerging...

Turn Me loose and the tracks on THAT album

The Rebels

The Second Coming

XSX said:

There's an issue in all of this that needs a bit of a rethink from the Org massive.
There seems to be a conflating of 'chart performance' with the idea of the viability of 'rarities' releases.
This doesn't hold any water because the market for the rarities side of things has never been other than specialist and most of these releases sell a consistent amount.

Over the course of many threads, I've come to realize that many people on the Org believe that:

1/ Every record by every artist sell by the millions.

2/ Except for Prince's.

3/ No record that sells less than 5 million copies is profitable.

4/ No label, including indies, will release an album by an artist that sells less than 5 million copies.

5/ Any artist that sells less than 5 million copies is a failure.

6/ Record sales haven't changed since 2000.

...which lead me to believe that in their views:

7/ The dozens of records that get released every day, and the labels that release them... well, they simply don't exist.

I'm exaggerating a bit but believe me, just a tiny bit. I've read things such as "certain Prince albums can't ever be rereleased because they wouldn't sell enough" (so much for the dozens of rereleases by totally obscure acts that one can see pop-up every week) or "Prince is unable to find a label, even an indie one, because he doesn't sell enough" (so much for the thousands of obscure artists releasing records that'll sell 10,000 copies on indie labels every year).

This is the reality of Prince.org. A certain side of it, at least.

Poorlovelycomputer said:

TwiliteKid said:

Poorlovelycomputer said:

One simple thing to look at with the release of this new hits collection is that Prince will still get the same radio play with the familiar"hits"as he has for years."Moonbeams is strategically the highlight of 4ever. the PR deluxe bonus material may be pushed as new posthumous releases who knows,and with streaming being the way a majority listen to music now will record sales even matter? Most hardcore fans want the unreleased material kept as prince left it.(I agree) Universal may surprise us all and release these albums as is,but the sound quality will play a big factor in how they release it.

Universal does not (as of now) have the right to release anything.

But nevertheless, another Org urban legend is born

Poorlovelycomputer said:

It has been talked about... either way its not in the fans hands. [Edited 11/9/16 0:02am]

but it should be...