rogifan said:

babynoz said:

leadline said:

There are no signs that point to that, only assumptions and folks creating scenrios off those assumptions that have no basis in reality. If you want to believe the stuff you read here ,and what you have been spoon fed by the media blindly, that is your perogative, and you are not alone.

Agreed.

In the absense of any new information for months I can't see why the same assumptions, theories, rumors, conjecture and assumptions keep getting rehashed on multiple threads ad nauseum.

Dependency, for example, can develop over a period of weeks or months. It does not have to be years.

Similarly, the ailment that caused his problems around '09 is not necessarily what happened in 2015 or thereabouts? It could have been some new source of pain, we do not know.

There are still too many unknowns to be making any kind of definitive statements.

It gets rather bizarre when people are so insistent on a particular agenda while lacking so many details.

Amen to that.

leadline said:

petalthecat said:

BS! 2the9's.................What a tangled web ye weave.

Chaos & Dissorder, Drugs, and Dig U Better Dead.

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leadline said:

LBrent said:

Actually, as an RN for 34 years, as I've said before in other threads on this topic, I think he was in pain, but it was recent. Possibly a year to 18 months. The pictures from that time period he looks different. Progressively thinner and more fragile. He was covered head to toe, including gloves for his 2015-2016 New Year's performance in St. Barts. That says to me that he was cold. Probably anemic. Multiple trips to WaLgreen's reported by TMZ, including pics of him in the parking lot, but on further investigation TMZ reported that he had not filled prescriptions for pain meds. A gal who is an orger and in similar in size to P reported that she had been on Fentanyl patches for pain and had awful tummy trouble, diarrhea and lost weight because of that. In her case, her doctor tested her and determined that her body metabolized Fentanyl quicker than normal so the medication wore off quicker than normal. All medication is prescribed based on your weight and height. Even at the best health, P was very tiny. He was 112 lbs when he passed. I'm guessing at his heaviest he might have been around 125-130 lbs. For him that's when he was young and had chubby cheeks. If P was throwing up, having diarrhea and losing weight due to all that plus a lack of appetite (he told his chef he couldn't/ didn't want to eat solids food, only smoothies and soups)...so now the original dosage prescribed for him would be too much for him. So, he's having all these embarrassing side effects and being a macho man, he chooses to be alone to preserve his dignity. And, being in pain, he takes his regular dose of pain med, but since the dose is too much because he's weak and has lost weight...he never makes it safely out of the elevator. What bothers me is that I don't r the source of his pain was hip pain. I know recently giving Fentanyl for pain is popular, but I still connect it to Cancer. I think he had a very aggressive/ terminal type of cancer that was discovered too late to treat with anything else but pain medication. Of course this is only my personal opinion based on observant and my own medical training. Jus sayin

Everything you are saying many of us have been saying. The evidence is there yet people want to make a sick man out to be a junky.

The black clothes in St. Barts should be a dead give away. The fact that numerous people keep saying they know something but will never tell. We know what he died from so something else is there to tell!!!! I want to take what you wrote and post it million times but it will not change anything. Appaled at the lack of compassion and the sterotyping.

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I agree with Leadline, Babynoz, L Brent and Petalthecat. We don't know any history of his drug/medication use. Hip surgery is usually very successful at removing pain and patients usually stop taking pain relief very shortly afterwards. We have no reason to believe this was not the case for P. Certainly by July 2010 he was touring and dancing again. This didn't seem to make things worse and he carried on touring and dancing and arranged the 21 night stand for early 2011.

The fact he died of a fentanyl OD 6 years later could be related or it might not. It could have been due to esculating health problems, esculating medication use or he could have been relatively pain free (who doesn't have some pain if they regularly take part in dance/sport/have had surgery) for most of these years and then had an injury/ problems with the same or other hip/ or a new issue. It all seems like guess work written as fact.

Have we established he was in outpatient care for withdrawal symptoms? Who said it and when?

He did once say (when asked if he took drugs) he was open to all experiences (or something like that, I forget). Occasional, one off, regular, what did he try? Has anyone acutally said?

We don't know, but as L Brent said, he seemed to be doing well until recently.

Yes but think about it realistically. Cancer would have shown up in autopsy, so even if we didn't get to see it the family sure as hell would have known. Now why on earth wouldn't they mention P had a terminal illness but prefer for all the world to think hes some kind of Junkie for 4 months. Doesn't add up, sorry.

laurarichardson said:

sunset3121 said:

sunset3121 said:

I agree with Leadline, Babynoz, L Brent and Petalthecat. We don't know any history of his drug/medication use. Hip surgery is usually very successful at removing pain and patients usually stop taking pain relief very shortly afterwards. We have no reason to believe this was not the case for P. Certainly by July 2010 he was touring and dancing again. This didn't seem to make things worse and he carried on touring and dancing and arranged the 21 night stand for early 2011.

The fact he died of a fentanyl OD 6 years later could be related or it might not. It could have been due to esculating health problems, esculating medication use or he could have been relatively pain free (who doesn't have some pain if they regularly take part in dance/sport/have had surgery) for most of these years and then had an injury/ problems with the same or other hip/ or a new issue. It all seems like guess work written as fact.

Have we established he was in outpatient care for withdrawal symptoms? Who said it and when?

He did once say (when asked if he took drugs) he was open to all experiences (or something like that, I forget). Occasional, one off, regular, what did he try? Has anyone acutally said?

We don't know, but as L Brent said, he seemed to be doing well until recently.

Billy Sparks said on the Tom Joyner show he did not have hip replacement but hip surgery. There are alternatives to hip replacment but none are guaranteed to work.

petalthecat said:

Yes but think about it realistically. Cancer would have shown up in autopsy, so even if we didn't get to see it the family sure as hell would have known. Now why on earth wouldn't they mention P had a terminal illness but prefer for all the world to think hes some kind of Junkie for 4 months. Doesn't add up, sorry.

His cousin said he was in pain and I think they are protecting his privacy but I think they will have to come out and say something sooner or later. I really think whatever comes out from the divorce papers being unsealed may make them open up a litte.

laurarichardson said:

petalthecat said:

Yes but think about it realistically. Cancer would have shown up in autopsy, so even if we didn't get to see it the family sure as hell would have known. Now why on earth wouldn't they mention P had a terminal illness but prefer for all the world to think hes some kind of Junkie for 4 months. Doesn't add up, sorry.

His cousin said he was in pain and I think they are protecting his privacy but I think they will have to come out and say something sooner or later. I really think whatever comes out from the divorce papers being unsealed may make them open up a litte.

The buck doesn't stop at his cousin, what kind of relationship did Prince have with his cousin? Did they speak, see each other all the time, did Prince confide in him? or, did they have an estranged relationship like Prince had with most his relatives? We don't know the answer, nor can we lend any substance to what his cousin is saying and why he is saying it. Wasnt this the same coisin that was exploiting him with some unnoffical documentary some years back?

There will be nothing in the divorce papers imo that will shed light on anything Prince related or make family members open up. It is simply Mani wanting to keep her private life private.

leadline said:

laurarichardson said:

His cousin said he was in pain and I think they are protecting his privacy but I think they will have to come out and say something sooner or later. I really think whatever comes out from the divorce papers being unsealed may make them open up a litte.

The buck doesn't stop at his cousin, what kind of relationship did Prince have with his cousin? Did they speak, see each other all the time, did Prince confide in him? or, did they have an estranged relationship like Prince had with most his relatives? We don't know the answer, nor can we lend any substance to what his cousin is saying and why he is saying it. Wasnt this the same coisin that was exploiting him with some unnoffical documentary some years back?

There will be nothing in the divorce papers imo that will shed light on anything Prince related or make family members open up. It is simply Mani wanting to keep her private life private.

Somebody know something maybe not his family but somone. No man is an island.

laurarichardson said:

leadline said:

The buck doesn't stop at his cousin, what kind of relationship did Prince have with his cousin? Did they speak, see each other all the time, did Prince confide in him? or, did they have an estranged relationship like Prince had with most his relatives? We don't know the answer, nor can we lend any substance to what his cousin is saying and why he is saying it. Wasnt this the same coisin that was exploiting him with some unnoffical documentary some years back?

There will be nothing in the divorce papers imo that will shed light on anything Prince related or make family members open up. It is simply Mani wanting to keep her private life private.

Somebody know something maybe not his family but somone. No man is an island.

Sure, I would agree with that, I just think the chances of it being his cousin are pretty darn slim.

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laurarichardson said:

leadline said:

The buck doesn't stop at his cousin, what kind of relationship did Prince have with his cousin? Did they speak, see each other all the time, did Prince confide in him? or, did they have an estranged relationship like Prince had with most his relatives? We don't know the answer, nor can we lend any substance to what his cousin is saying and why he is saying it. Wasnt this the same coisin that was exploiting him with some unnoffical documentary some years back?

There will be nothing in the divorce papers imo that will shed light on anything Prince related or make family members open up. It is simply Mani wanting to keep her private life private.

Somebody know something maybe not his family but somone. No man is an island.

all i know about chazz is the documentary i've seen (it's on youtube) and what I read on here and in books. First I read about Chazz, Prince borrowed his drumset early in his career, late 70's and chazz asked for it back, supposedly prince said "i'm a star now so I don't have to do anything". then, Prince supposedly aced him out of his band for the lesser drummer Bobby Z, who told Chazz that if he made it anywhere in the music business it would be at the counter in a record store. then he says prince got paranoid during purple rain. On the org. i read that Prince had been back in his life, having him around, buying him cars and that at funeral's for relatives Chazz was supposedly hanging out hoping prince would show. Other than that I don't know what the current relationship was.

I'm also going to call bullshit on the whole pupils thing. When I had Lasik surgery, the doctor had to verify that I don't have football-shaped pupils because apparently if you do you can't have the surgery for some reason. I have brown eyes, and they had to bring like every lamp in the place into my room just to see the overall shape of my pupils. Now, my eyes are darker than Prince's, but it's still harder to tell these things with dark eyes, period. That's why example pictures of pinned pupils usually use blue, green, or hazel eyes.

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I'm also a little annoyed at her kind of holier than thou attitude about treating pain with exercise and meditation. That works for some people but not others, and it still misses the larger point that hardly anybody is funding research to figure out the root causes of many pain disorders and finding better treatment options. I've never used opiates to treat my pain, but her attitude still annoys the fuck out of me.

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petalthecat said:

leadline said:

Amen to that.

Yet the general consensus on here is people assuming P became addicted to pain killers accidentally trying to manage chronic pain. There's no official word on this either and no proof yet people quote it frequently as fact?

What consensus?

The ME says it was an accidental overdose. That is all there is to it unless and until a credible source says more than that.

I do not consider the projections of some random broad on a blog, nor the baseless suppositions of fammys who keep regurgitating the same speculations ad nauseum on multiple threads to be credible sources.

Seriously, this is the thousanth time around.

RachB65 said:

laurarichardson said:

sunset3121 said:

Hip surgery is usually very successful at removing pain and patients usually stop taking pain relief very shortly afterwards. We have no reason to believe this was not the case for P. Certainly by July 2010 he was touring and dancing again. This didn't seem to make things worse and he carried on touring and dancing and arranged the 21 night stand for early 2011.

The fact he died of a fentanyl OD 6 years later could be related or it might not.

Billy Sparks said on the Tom Joyner show he did not have hip replacement but hip surgery. There are alternatives to hip replacment but none are guaranteed to work.

He seemed to be doing well in those years after the surgery though until recently so it looks like it worked - at least in the short term.

rogifan said:

RachB65 said:

That doctor who came to PP with test results, Dr. Shulenberg(?)told authorities he had been treating P for withrawal symptoms in previous weeks. Sorry, i dont have any link to an article right now

Yes I'd love to know the source for this. I wasn't aware that anything from the investigation has been released so how would we know Prince's doctor was treating him for withdrawal symptoms?

Yes, me too. Does anyone have more info on who said he was being treated for withdrawal?

sunset3121 said:

rogifan said:

RachB65 said: Yes I'd love to know the source for this. I wasn't aware that anything from the investigation has been released so how would we know Prince's doctor was treating him for withdrawal symptoms?

Yes, me too. Does anyone have more info on who said he was being treated for withdrawal?

try this link. http://prince.org/msg/7/425449 or google their names

No one else thinking about the Lollypop days? And his most skinny age, always wondered about the Lollypops.

wavesofbliss said:

sunset3121 said:

Yes, me too. Does anyone have more info on who said he was being treated for withdrawal?

try this link. http://prince.org/msg/7/425449 or google their names

I found this:

A source with knowledge of the investigation told the Star Tribune Friday that the doctor had been treating Prince for withdrawal symptoms from opioid addiction several weeks before his death.

Is that it?

babynoz said:

LBrent said:

Well, even in the picture of him at the Electric Fetus he looks very thin and his face is gaunt. I just hope in the end he passed peacefully and without pain.l

i do to. the way that woman described respiratory depression it sounds terrifying- like u know ur dying while it happening. like drowning, you can feel ur lungs fill ....it's too much

AaronA said:

No one else thinking about the Lollypop days? And his most skinny age, always wondered about the Lollypops.

No. He seemed to have more of an eating disorder then from the things that were said.