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Reply #90 posted 08/07/16 4:57am

BartVanHemelen

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Guitarhero said:

Can they do Lovesexy Dortmund in blue-ray too pray

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It's "Blu-ray", and no, since it was a TV capture.

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Reply #91 posted 08/07/16 4:58am

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leadline said:

Awesome stuff, will absolutely get this. Just wish it had SOTT on it as well as UTCM color option.

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Oh for crying out loud, Uptown debunked this "color UTCM" nonsense twenty years ago.

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Reply #92 posted 08/07/16 5:02am

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TheLotus said:

feeluupp said:

seems like the only new thing is it's 1080p hd remastered...

does WB own SOTT film?

Why wouldn't they make a release with all 4 films??

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No kidding, because that's the one I want most!

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Don't you lot ever pay attention, considering you claim to care so much about this? SOTT isn't owned by WB. Oh, and there are TWO Blu-ray releases already, region-free: Japan (also available ina gorgeous box set) and Australia.

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Hey, look at the top of this page, and notice the "search" box: now enter the words "sign times blu ray" in there and marvel at the results.

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Reply #93 posted 08/07/16 5:08am

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PeteSilas said:

i dunno, i never cared for quality, whether in music or movies, i was just watching a docu on the wizard of oz and they were showing how they cleaned up both the sound and the film of the movie, sounds like they put in a lot of time but personally, i never liked perfection unless it was my own music. the flaws are great whether it's the pops in old film or the mistakes in Elvis' sun sessions, it's part of what makes them spontaneious and great

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This is just nonsense. They removed technical flaws like scratches etc., things that were never supposed to be there.

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Blu-ray is a home format that allows people to watch a movie in the quality it was shown in theaters originally, and sometimes even better than that considering the shitty quality of plenty of movie theaters and the copies of movies that were used. Just compare the various home video versions of The Godfather to see how a great movie was put on DVD in seriously bad condition, only to get a much needed restoration in 2008.

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[Edited 8/7/16 5:13am]

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Reply #94 posted 08/07/16 5:11am

Guitarhero

BartVanHemelen said:

Guitarhero said:

Can they do Lovesexy Dortmund in blue-ray too pray

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It's "Blu-ray", and no, since it was a TV capture.

Yep you got me on Blu-ray wink

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Reply #95 posted 08/07/16 5:28am

udo

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7thday said:

What about the concert film during the Sign 'O' The Times era?

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You mean you do not have both SOTT blu-rays?!? eek

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Reply #96 posted 08/07/16 9:19am

leadline

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BartVanHemelen said:

leadline said:

Awesome stuff, will absolutely get this. Just wish it had SOTT on it as well as UTCM color option.

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Oh for crying out loud, Uptown debunked this "color UTCM" nonsense twenty years ago.


Not true, the film was filmed in color, then released in black and white. Warner has the color master.

[Edited 8/7/16 9:22am]

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Reply #97 posted 08/07/16 9:50am

dance4me3121

leadline said:



BartVanHemelen said:




leadline said:


Awesome stuff, will absolutely get this. Just wish it had SOTT on it as well as UTCM color option.



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Oh for crying out loud, Uptown debunked this "color UTCM" nonsense twenty years ago.




Not true, the film was filmed in color, then released in black and white. Warner has the color master.

[Edited 8/7/16 9:22am]


Also,pictures from the colored version were posted on this site a few weeks ago
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Reply #98 posted 08/07/16 9:57am

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Pre-ordered the set from Amazon. cool
"Just like the sun, the Rainbow Children rise."



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Reply #99 posted 08/07/16 10:01am

feeluupp

BartVanHemelen said:

TheLotus said:

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No kidding, because that's the one I want most!

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Don't you lot ever pay attention, considering you claim to care so much about this? SOTT isn't owned by WB. Oh, and there are TWO Blu-ray releases already, region-free: Japan (also available ina gorgeous box set) and Australia.

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Hey, look at the top of this page, and notice the "search" box: now enter the words "sign times blu ray" in there and marvel at the results.

duhhhh u dorkkkk... i own the japanese box set.

does ur apartment get lonely by urself?

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Reply #100 posted 08/07/16 10:35am

darkroman

BartVanHemelen said:

PeteSilas said:

i dunno, i never cared for quality, whether in music or movies, i was just watching a docu on the wizard of oz and they were showing how they cleaned up both the sound and the film of the movie, sounds like they put in a lot of time but personally, i never liked perfection unless it was my own music. the flaws are great whether it's the pops in old film or the mistakes in Elvis' sun sessions, it's part of what makes them spontaneious and great

.

This is just nonsense. They removed technical flaws like scratches etc., things that were never supposed to be there.

.

Blu-ray is a home format that allows people to watch a movie in the quality it was shown in theaters originally, and sometimes even better than that considering the shitty quality of plenty of movie theaters and the copies of movies that were used. Just compare the various home video versions of The Godfather to see how a great movie was put on DVD in seriously bad condition, only to get a much needed restoration in 2008.

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[Edited 8/7/16 5:13am]

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Not entirely true.

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Optimal quality would be optical. 4k is one step closer but we still have a long way to go in compression technnology before the quality of an optical print can be compressed enough to be stored on physical media or streamed. For example a none compressed film could be as large as 600Gb but even the capacity of an ultra blu ray disc is still only 100Gb but at least this allows for 3840x2160 resolution at 60 frames per second, 10-bit color and a data rate of 128 Mbit/s.

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So we have a long way yet to go!

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lol

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Reply #101 posted 08/07/16 12:19pm

dance4me3121

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Pre-ordered the set from Amazon. cool

I can't find it for sale on Amazon
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Reply #102 posted 08/07/16 12:21pm

Guitarhero

dance4me3121 said:

rainbowchild said:
Pre-ordered the set from Amazon. cool
I can't find it for sale on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/Pr...PDKIKX0DER

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Reply #103 posted 08/07/16 2:00pm

luvgirl

Guitarhero said:



dance4me3121 said:


rainbowchild said:
Pre-ordered the set from Amazon. cool

I can't find it for sale on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/Pr...PDKIKX0DER



Thanks for the link, just pre-ordered it. Too bad I don't own a Blu-Ray DVD player. Guess I'll have to go buy one now. Only Prince can get me to do crap like this falloff
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Reply #104 posted 08/07/16 2:34pm

dance4me3121

Guitarhero said:



dance4me3121 said:


rainbowchild said:
Pre-ordered the set from Amazon. cool

I can't find it for sale on Amazon

https://www.amazon.com/Pr...PDKIKX0DER


Thanks for the link.idk why I couldn't find it on amazon .I'll pre-order it very soon .
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Reply #105 posted 08/07/16 2:35pm

Guitarhero

^^ You are both welcome.

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Reply #106 posted 08/08/16 5:36am

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So, the Syracuse show from the Purple Rain tour - who owns that? It was a TV broadcast right, so does that mean there won't be higher quality versions with who ever 'owns' the broadcast. Also unsure why Lovesexy mightn't have a higher quality version somewhere - with whomever did the orig al broadcast.
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Reply #107 posted 08/08/16 5:53am

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mikeyaddict said:

So, the Syracuse show from the Purple Rain tour - who owns that? It was a TV broadcast right, so does that mean there won't be higher quality versions with who ever 'owns' the broadcast. Also unsure why Lovesexy mightn't have a higher quality version somewhere - with whomever did the orig al broadcast.

Both of those released concert videos were NOT shot with good equipment, they were shot with SD live video cameras. They weren't even shooting HD video at that time, and they, unfortunately, didn't shoot them on film.

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Reply #108 posted 08/08/16 5:58am

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ufoclub said:



mikeyaddict said:


So, the Syracuse show from the Purple Rain tour - who owns that? It was a TV broadcast right, so does that mean there won't be higher quality versions with who ever 'owns' the broadcast. Also unsure why Lovesexy mightn't have a higher quality version somewhere - with whomever did the orig al broadcast.


Both of those released concert videos were NOT shot with good equipment, they were shot with SD live video cameras. They weren't even shooting HD video at that time, and they, unfortunately, didn't shoot them on film.


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Thank you for your answer. Such a shame - just watching Syracuse for the first time in aeons. But the tape hasn't faired too well. Would be nice to see what they have digitised at least.
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Reply #109 posted 08/08/16 7:57am

BartVanHemelen

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leadline said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Oh for crying out loud, Uptown debunked this "color UTCM" nonsense twenty years ago.


Not true, the film was filmed in color, then released in black and white. Warner has the color master.

[Edited 8/7/16 9:22am]

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http://prince.org/msg/7/293007

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Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but there's no such thing as a color version
of Under the Cherry Moon. It's just one of those fan rumors that just won't die.
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And contrary to fan-myth, the whole movie wasn't shot on color film. Only a
few early scenes were shot on color film at the point where WB were unsure
about releasing a Black and White movie. After these initial test scenes, WB
agreed to the movie being shot in black and white (using black and white film).
So it's impossible for a color version of the movie to exist.

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Note who I quoted.

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Reply #110 posted 08/08/16 8:17am

udo

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Do we have urls to this set for bol.com or amazon.de?

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Reply #111 posted 08/08/16 8:20am

leadline

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I see who you quoted, anyone can write anything they want, why do you feel what this person writes is 100% accurate? I don't do backround checks on all the folks here, so school me as to why what this person says seems to be law.


BartVanHemelen said:

leadline said:

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http://prince.org/msg/7/293007

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Sorry to burst everyone's bubble, but there's no such thing as a color version
of Under the Cherry Moon. It's just one of those fan rumors that just won't die.
.
And contrary to fan-myth, the whole movie wasn't shot on color film. Only a
few early scenes were shot on color film at the point where WB were unsure
about releasing a Black and White movie. After these initial test scenes, WB
agreed to the movie being shot in black and white (using black and white film).
So it's impossible for a color version of the movie to exist.

.

Note who I quoted.

[Edited 8/8/16 9:13am]

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Reply #112 posted 08/08/16 9:03am

dayzofwyld

BartVanHemelen said:

leadline said:

Awesome stuff, will absolutely get this. Just wish it had SOTT on it as well as UTCM color option.

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Oh for crying out loud, Uptown debunked this "color UTCM" nonsense twenty years ago.

Actually it's true...friend of mine knows the producer (Paul Hitchcock) and he confirmed it was shot in colour.

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Reply #113 posted 08/08/16 9:12am

leadline

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dayzofwyld said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Oh for crying out loud, Uptown debunked this "color UTCM" nonsense twenty years ago.

Actually it's true...friend of mine knows the producer (Paul Hitchcock) and he confirmed it was shot in colour.


THANK YOU dayzofwyld, some actual concrete info from a legit source.



[Edited 8/8/16 9:14am]

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Reply #114 posted 08/08/16 12:58pm

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leadline said:

dayzofwyld said:

Actually it's true...friend of mine knows the producer (Paul Hitchcock) and he confirmed it was shot in colour.


THANK YOU dayzofwyld, some actual concrete info from a legit source.



[Edited 8/8/16 9:14am]


AFAIK, the official story has always been that it was shot in color and released in black & white.

Perhaps the problem is that no known color masters still exist or possibly that the restoration cost would be too great for a title with such limited appeal.

I would love to see it in color and no doubt would drop cash for a copy. That said, the movie works in B&W and this is the way it is meant to be seen. Anything else would merely be a bonus for me. Something to watch once or twice while the B&W version would remain my go-to version.

Just sayin'... wink

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Reply #115 posted 08/08/16 1:48pm

leadline

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djThunderfunk said:

leadline said:


THANK YOU dayzofwyld, some actual concrete info from a legit source.



[Edited 8/8/16 9:14am]


AFAIK, the official story has always been that it was shot in color and released in black & white.

Perhaps the problem is that no known color masters still exist or possibly that the restoration cost would be too great for a title with such limited appeal.

I would love to see it in color and no doubt would drop cash for a copy. That said, the movie works in B&W and this is the way it is meant to be seen. Anything else would merely be a bonus for me. Something to watch once or twice while the B&W version would remain my go-to version.

Just sayin'... wink


I would burn my b&w copy immediately if a color version came out, its a travesty to watch that movie in black and white imo.

Prince was WRONG to release this in black and white, from a commercial and an asthetic perspective.




[Edited 8/8/16 13:53pm]

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Reply #116 posted 08/08/16 1:51pm

4anothertime

I hate the fact that I own these movies and will STILL buy this...tha fuq is wrong with me? lol

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Reply #117 posted 08/08/16 1:52pm

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I hate to admit it, but I haven't seen UTCM. I like b&w movies, but I hink color would be cool too.
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Reply #118 posted 08/08/16 1:58pm

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leadline said:



djThunderfunk said:




leadline said:




THANK YOU dayzofwyld, some actual concrete info from a legit source.




[Edited 8/8/16 9:14am]




AFAIK, the official story has always been that it was shot in color and released in black & white.

Perhaps the problem is that no known color masters still exist or possibly that the restoration cost would be too great for a title with such limited appeal.

I would love to see it in color and no doubt would drop cash for a copy. That said, the movie works in B&W and this is the way it is meant to be seen. Anything else would merely be a bonus for me. Something to watch once or twice while the B&W version would remain my go-to version.

Just sayin'... wink





I would burn my b&w copy immediately if a color version came out, its a travesty to watch that movie in black and white imo.

Prince was WRONG to release this in black and white, from a commercial and an asthetic perspective.





[Edited 8/8/16 13:53pm]



You're wrong for thinking "Prince is wrong" for releasing it in B&W. wink
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Reply #119 posted 08/08/16 2:50pm

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rainbowchild said:

leadline said:


I would burn my b&w copy immediately if a color version came out, its a travesty to watch that movie in black and white imo.

Prince was WRONG to release this in black and white, from a commercial and an asthetic perspective.

You're wrong for thinking "Prince is wrong" for releasing it in B&W. wink


I gotta agree with you. That's like saying I'd burn my stereo-mixed Prince albums if 5.1 surround mixes were released.

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