zoso1978 said:

Ok, so I watched the whole 1 hour Live Facebook video that Estabon posted last night. He sang some Prince songs a cappela. Told a little about his life. Sang some songs he wrote. I don't usually watch anything like this and as soon as I started watching, I couldn't stop. He seems like he really wants to know if Prince really is his father.

To recap: Supposedly, Estabon's mom got pregnant in 1984 in the NY area. She did drugs & the Fraternal Twin brothers went into Foster Care and Estabon was adopted. He only recently found his mother. & found out Prince might be his father.

Someone in Prince's camp knows about this & took Estabon backstage to meet Prince, but he was too scared. Wow, I get that. Can u imagine? Estabon thought he still had time to meet Prince & determine if Prince was his father.

It seems like Estabon filed back in June or July, maybe further back. But since he is adopted, the court will not allow him to have the DNA test. Because of the adoption, he already has legal parents, even if he is a blood son, so the judge has said he can't be an heir.

Estabon can really sing. No lie, he's good. I'm leaning toward the fact that he might be Prince's son. It also sounds like Prince never knew this woman got pregnant. & that the mother sounds like a drug addict. Had twin boys, gave them up.

Prince's mom, Mattie, is a twin. So twins run in Prince's family.

If only for Estabon to find out yes or no, I hope he gets his DNA test. If Prince isn't his father, he can move on.

I believe there might actually be a child/children out there from Prince's early days. The Midwest guy that allegedly tested 99% could be proof of that.

A lot of Prince fams on Facebook believe Estabon might be his son and have started a petition for Estabon to get a DNA test. Not sure if it will do any good.

that is not how it works. Fraternal twins is due to the woman releasing more than one ovum and not connected to the father.

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LBrent said:

inovio said:

Its not just my opinion, his kid would have automatically been heir. There would be no need for this horse and pony show.

I'm not sure about this, but knowing P, I doubt he would've been able to help himself from "spilling the T" in a song. He did a lot of telling things that were publicly "secrets", but written in songs. He couldn't help himself.

Prince did tell us a lot about himself through his music. I remember a song on his 1st album called Baby, and it was about a young couple being pregnant; so I wonder if there is a kid out there:

Baby, what are we gonna do?
I'm so in love with you
Baby, what are we gonna do?
I know you're in love with me too

Should we go on livin' together
Or should we get married right away?
Whatever you decide, I'll still love you, baby
An' we'll grow stronger everyday

Baby, what are we gonna do?
I barely have enough money for two
Baby, what are we gonna do?
I don't want to regret what I've done to you

I never would've thought that this would happen
To a very careful man like me
But baby, pretty baby, we're gonna work it out, yeah
I love you, I love you, can't you see?

Baby, baby, baby
It's you, said it's you, I truly adore
Baby, baby, we're gonna work it out
I hope our baby has eyes just like yours

tmo1965 said:

Prince did tell us a lot about himself through his music. I remember a song on his 1st album called Baby, and it was about a young couple being pregnant; so I wonder if there is a kid out there:

Yup When that guy who is in prison Carlin Williams was claiming to be Prince's kid his birthday was April 8, 1977 mean he was conceived in July 1976 about the time of the initial recording of Baby!

zoso1978 said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

LBrent said:

I don't understand why the court is making such a big fuss about it. Heck, test him and be done with it. Sheesh

Heres the Link to a Petition started by Purple Family....

https://www.change.org/p/minneapolis-court-systems-allow-estabon-bennermon-to-take-a-paternity-test?recruiter=1414898&utm_source=petitions_show_components_action_panel_wrapper&utm_medium=copylink

I signed it...

We could send the poor boy some Purple LOVE and help him settle his very own personal

"What is the Answer, to the Question of U"

Lovejunky said:

The estates job is really to, low key, run off and/or diminish all rightful heirs and keep the money and power for themselves. That's the real game folks. They were able to knock this guy out of the picture early due to a technicality beyond his control.

LBrent said:

Lovejunky said:

Heres the Link to a Petition started by Purple Family....

https://www.change.org/p/minneapolis-court-systems-allow-estabon-bennermon-to-take-a-paternity-test?recruiter=1414898&utm_source=petitions_show_components_action_panel_wrapper&utm_medium=copylink

I signed it...

We could send the poor boy some Purple LOVE and help him settle his very own personal

"What is the Answer, to the Question of U"

Done and done.

Done and done 3.

LBrent said:

Lovejunky said:

Heres the Link to a Petition started by Purple Family....

https://www.change.org/p/minneapolis-court-systems-allow-estabon-bennermon-to-take-a-paternity-test?recruiter=1414898&utm_source=petitions_show_components_action_panel_wrapper&utm_medium=copylink

I signed it...

We could send the poor boy some Purple LOVE and help him settle his very own personal

"What is the Answer, to the Question of U"

Done and done.

I support his right to know. Signed the petition that is now at 250. Not sure if it will help since the law doesn't recognize legally adopted children. But he has a right to know.

If they can test that horrible convict, they can test someone who actually seems to have been in the process of meeting Prince and finding out if he was his father.

LBrent, saw your quote and clicked on it. I agree. Very well put!

Lovejunky said:

LBrent said:

I don't understand why the court is making such a big fuss about it. Heck, test him and be done with it. Sheesh

Heres the Link to a Petition started by Purple Family....

https://www.change.org/p/minneapolis-court-systems-allow-estabon-bennermon-to-take-a-paternity-test?recruiter=1414898&utm_source=petitions_show_components_action_panel_wrapper&utm_medium=copylink

I signed it...

We could send the poor boy some Purple LOVE and help him settle his very own personal

"What is the Answer, to the Question of U"

Signed!!

Obsessed said:

laurarichardson said:

Obsessed said:

Signed!!

-- I wonder if he got a sworn affidavit from the business associate or even one from his mom or family.He needs to have something to give him a little crediabilty.

Estabon's Objections stated his assertations were validated by P's business associate so you could infer this person filed a sworn affidavit with the Court.

I wonder if the denial was a procedural issue and the judge may have to rule against it based on prsumption of relation. Even if the orginal doucuments are sealed the court can get them. If his father did not sign off then the adouption can be undone. But the issue is by whome? In this case I think the court would.

I am thinking it is not very likely... but if he is... he will get it (well him and his twin) and if they are they should.

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I wonder if the denial was a procedural issue and the judge may have to rule against it based on prsumption of relation. Even if the orginal doucuments are sealed the court can get them. If his father did not sign off then the adouption can be undone. But the issue is by whome? In this case I think the court would.

I am thinking it is not very likely... but if he is... he will get it (well him and his twin) and if they are they should.

Yes, the denial by the Judge was a procedural issue. Estabon does not have access to his original birth certificate or any documents in regard to his mother's termination of parental rights as those documents are sealed due to adoption laws.

zoso1978 said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The thing that bothers me is Estabon states in his Court documents, I may not be his son, so let me test, it will end the question. Now it appears the whole equal protection of adoptees will be litigated to a higher court causing further attorney fees for all involved including the estate. Bremer Trust attorneys will be awarded astronimical attorney fees from P's estate.

They let a jail bird test with only the validation of his Mother stating she had a one night stand with Prince in 1976 in Missouri. Estabon has the validation of P's business associate who verified P's brief affair with the mother. But the Judge states it doesnt matter, you lost all legal rights once you were adopted.

Ok, so I watched the whole 1 hour Live Facebook video that Estabon posted last night. He sang some Prince songs a cappela. Told a little about his life. Sang some songs he wrote. I don't usually watch anything like this and as soon as I started watching, I couldn't stop. He seems like he really wants to know if Prince really is his father.

To recap: Supposedly, Estabon's mom got pregnant in 1984 in the NY area. She did drugs & the Fraternal Twin brothers went into Foster Care and Estabon was adopted. He only recently found his mother. & found out Prince might be his father.

Someone in Prince's camp knows about this & took Estabon backstage to meet Prince, but he was too scared. Wow, I get that. Can u imagine? Estabon thought he still had time to meet Prince & determine if Prince was his father.

It seems like Estabon filed back in June or July, maybe further back. But since he is adopted, the court will not allow him to have the DNA test. Because of the adoption, he already has legal parents, even if he is a blood son, so the judge has said he can't be an heir.

Estabon can really sing. No lie, he's good. I'm leaning toward the fact that he might be Prince's son. It also sounds like Prince never knew this woman got pregnant. & that the mother sounds like a drug addict. Had twin boys, gave them up.

Prince's mom, Mattie, is a twin. So twins run in Prince's family.

If only for Estabon to find out yes or no, I hope he gets his DNA test. If Prince isn't his father, he can move on.

I believe there might actually be a child/children out there from Prince's early days. The Midwest guy that allegedly tested 99% could be proof of that.

A lot of Prince fams on Facebook believe Estabon might be his son and have started a petition for Estabon to get a DNA test. Not sure if it will do any good.

Unfortunately, while twins may run in Prince's family, it would only be through the women. Fraternal twins are hereditary, but that only occurs if the mother's body releases two ovum. A man has no genetic say in that. Though, if Prince were to have a daughter, then that could be passed down, but just because he might have sex with a woman, would not indicate he would have twins. The only way would be if the woman he had sex with had fraternal twins that ran in her family.

rogifan said:

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

I wonder if the denial was a procedural issue and the judge may have to rule against it based on prsumption of relation. Even if the orginal doucuments are sealed the court can get them. If his father did not sign off then the adouption can be undone. But the issue is by whome? In this case I think the court would.

I am thinking it is not very likely... but if he is... he will get it (well him and his twin) and if they are they should.

Yes, the denial by the Judge was a procedural issue. Estabon does not have access to his original birth certificate or any documents in regard to his mother's termination of parental rights as those documents are sealed due to adoption laws.

even if estabon may not be able to view them the court can. but why even bother just allow the test. and i am going to go way out on a limb and say there is NO WAY an actual child of a person who was adopted can be denied inheritance based on an adoption

even if estabon may not be able to view them the court can. but why even bother just allow the test. and i am going to go way out on a limb and say there is NO WAY an actual child of a person who was adopted can be denied inheritance based on an adoption

Friendlygal said:

even if estabon may not be able to view them the court can. but why even bother just allow the test. and i am going to go way out on a limb and say there is NO WAY an actual child of a person who was adopted can be denied inheritance based on an adoption

To be adopted, the biological parents must terminate their rights (possibly an issue if P didn't know he had children with this woman). When rights are terminated, there is, in the eyes of the court, no longer any relationship between the child and the biological parents. So in most places a child who had been adopted would not be eligible to inherit from bio parents.

What if the mother put father unknown on the birth certificate to bipass having to get the father's signature to terminate thier rights? Does that change anything at all (doubtful i'm sure). I understand he was adopted so there for his adopted parents are his legal guardians/parents in the eyes of the court but you would think there would be some sort of stipulation for mothers who didn't notify the fathers so they could put the baby up for adoption.

Obsessed said:

Friendlygal said:

even if estabon may not be able to view them the court can. but why even bother just allow the test. and i am going to go way out on a limb and say there is NO WAY an actual child of a person who was adopted can be denied inheritance based on an adoption

To be adopted, the biological parents must terminate their rights (possibly an issue if P didn't know he had children with this woman). When rights are terminated, there is, in the eyes of the court, no longer any relationship between the child and the biological parents. So in most places a child who had been adopted would not be eligible to inherit from bio parents.

What if the mother put father unknown on the birth certificate to bipass having to get the father's signature to terminate thier rights? Does that change anything at all (doubtful i'm sure). I understand he was adopted so there for his adopted parents are his legal guardians/parents in the eyes of the court but you would think there would be some sort of stipulation for mothers who didn't notify the fathers so they could put the baby up for adoption.

The Judge in P's case ruled that since Estabon was adopted he could not be an heir under Minnesota law. Estabon has a legal father, his adopted father, and as such he cannot be an heir to P's estate.

I don't feel like reading all of this, so has he been tested and stuff? whats the status

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

The Judge in P's case ruled that since Estabon was adopted he could not be an heir under Minnesota law. Estabon has a legal father, his adopted father, and as such he cannot be an heir to P's estate.

That there is the key phrase. Not sure why anyone has further questions on this...but I am not a lawyer so.....

This guy seems like a model / quasi celebrity which makes it seem unlikely he is Prince's kid. Just too much of a coincidence and makes it seem like he is saying this to help his career.

FunkiestOne said:

This guy seems like a model / quasi celebrity which makes it seem unlikely he is Prince's kid. Just too much of a coincidence and makes it seem like he is saying this to help his career.

It makes for a a fascinating drama. Wanna see where it goes?

inovio said:

I don't feel like reading all of this, so has he been tested and stuff? whats the status

The Judge denied Estabon's request for DNA testing. The Judge ruled even if P is his genetic father, he is not Estabon's legal father under Minnesota law, and Estabon cannot be an heir of P.

ISaidLifeIsJustAGame said:

inovio said:

I don't feel like reading all of this, so has he been tested and stuff? whats the status

The Judge denied Estabon's request for DNA testing. The Judge ruled even if P is his genetic father, he is not Estabon's legal father under Minnesota law, and Estabon cannot be an heir of P.

Thank you!