Astasheiks said:

Is this stuff considered "New Age Movement" stuff?

No.

There is nothing new age or occult whatsoever about the study of the moon's phases. It isn't wiccan in origin and it isn't about spooks either.

FUNKNROLL said:

He seemed increasling preoccupied w/the astro moon calendar before he passed.

He always seemed to hint at ancient/new-age beliefs even after he became JW.

Not saying he's an occultist but it clearly meant something to him.

Any wiccans/druids on this board w/guesses what it might have meant?

- Hmmm...didnt know he was interested in astro moon calendar. Did he say it in an interview?

It´s interesting that even after he became a JW, he was interested in eastern beliefs. The 3rd Eye is proof of that. Always wondered why, because christians (and JW probably) avoid all these kinds of things.

Junglehop said:

I'm blown away that some of you here don't even seem to realise that months are units of time relating to the motions and cycles of the moon… people are so disconnected from nature now. even the etymology of the word 'month' is derived from the word 'moon'

Indeed.

In Old English "mona". The month was calculated from moon phases.

babynoz said:

RiotPaisley said:

Prince seemed to study things of that nature. I'd say religious study was a hobby of his, but I feel that trivializes it. That said- I have researched the moon and there's lots about it. Matriarchal societies often followed the moon- it's why we have months. It worth looking into. No matter what you believe spiritually. Also worth noting, Things with Prince that seem like they are one thing, may have more meanings. I found the idea of Rainbow Children to be pretty new age.its Kinda why the whole Rainbow Children / JW stuff didn't bother me overall. He studied a lot. His learning room library thing on that website sent me down countless rabbit holes. At one point I completely freaked myself out with some of the stuff I had discovered that seemed to me pretty legit and had to pause. I was waiting for him to start another thing like that. It's a big reason I'm so sad he left this plane.

Can u point me in the direction of what type of stuff he was reading in his learning room library?

MMJas said:

The lack of respect for some people is unbelievable. For instance, I have no understanding whatsoever of JW's faith and it makes no sense to me, but you'll never see me judge anyone who follows it. Follow your bliss.
Just my humble opinion. After all, at the end of the day, life and how you go about it is what really matters, this is just a forum on the net. Have a great day. I'm gonna catch me some

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This!!!

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MMJas said:

Junglehop said:

I'm blown away that some of you here don't even seem to realise that months are units of time relating to the motions and cycles of the moon… people are so disconnected from nature now. even the etymology of the word 'month' is derived from the word 'moon'

Indeed.

In Old English "mona". The month was calculated from moon phases.

Also Monday = Moon-day

blue22 said:

When did the planets and stars become the occult?

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Last time I checked they were a part of the universe and science (astronomy being the study of all that is there).

The word 'occult' simply means 'hidden'....all occult studies are not baneful....

FUNKNROLL said:

blue22 said:

When did the planets and stars become the occult?

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Last time I checked they were a part of the universe and science (astronomy being the study of all that is there).

I have no idea. Google included a lot of occult Wiccan stuff with that moon chart. Guess it's the astrology leanings, vs astronomy. Re: Thoth - Prince wrote a lot about "One" in those NPGMC reading room posts, though. Van Jones said he was preoccupied with Egypt history and wanted to fund a children's cartoon about a lost Egyptian city. Makes me wonder if there was a room at Paisley filled with one of those wall to wall "string maps". 😝 [Edited 6/7/16 4:18am]

Wiccan here....the moon as well as all planets and Nature are integral to us, we follow the seasons and are intune with them and Nature...the Moon is representative of the goddess or the female aspect of nature and divinity..... and moon phases affect all things, including us...there is a plethora of information on it widely available. Traditionally, before one can even initiate, they need to study the moon and Nature for a Year and A Day, which is 13 months of moon phases....to fully understand and become attuned to each lunar cycle~

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JediMaster said:

MANY societies have used the sun, moon, planets & stars to mark time's passing, to commemorate special days, etc. The ancient Hebrew calendar was based on the lunar cycle, just like the calendars of the druids and the modern Wiccans. Studying their movements is also...y'know...science!

Yes, Prince incorporated some beliefs that were rather New Age, or at least Eastern in their influence. I think he looked to those things that didn't contradict his JW beliefs, and absorbed them. His fascination with chakras, for example, predated his conversion, and he stated in the last Rolling Stone interview that he viewed them as "science", and not as contradictions to his faith.

The whole "third eye" chakra is a controversial one amongst Christians. Some view the whole chakra concept as being harmonious with Biblical thought, and thus have no issue with it, while others view it as occultism. Even within New Age circles, there is debate as to the meaning and spiritiual properties of chakras. The third eye, for example, is cited as being an opening to the truths of the spiritual world by many, while some take it further as a way of astral traveling and interacting with higher powers (naturally, some view the latter as rather dangerous, and avoid such activities).

To bring this back to the whole lunar cycle (as well as the movements of the sun, stars, etc), it is unsurprising that many religions would base their Holy Days & rituals upon these movements, as it was once the most reliable way to mark the passing of time. Sure, many occultists follow this, but that doesn't mean that it is necessarily "occult" in and of itself.

The word 'occult' simply means 'hidden'...as are most mystical teachings and archaic knowledge....and yes, much of wicca and occult is really science, and much that has not yet been discovered...nice post ...Chakras, etc acupuncture has to do with energy centers and meridians which run throught he body....nothing spooky or anti religious there...simply science and based on healing modalities eons old...

So has it been unravelled what his shirt is supposed to mean?

MMJas said:

Junglehop said:

I'm blown away that some of you here don't even seem to realise that months are units of time relating to the motions and cycles of the moon… people are so disconnected from nature now. even the etymology of the word 'month' is derived from the word 'moon'

Indeed.

In Old English "mona". The month was calculated from moon phases.

and women's cycles....no coincidence, our bodies if left without interference from technology, are in tune with the lunar cycles and nature...we are part of the whole of nature

paisleypunk said:

I remember reading in one interview that Prince had mentioned how he could affect peoples' energy and chakras with music, something to that effect, not remembering it verbatim....which is true, tones/vibrations affect everything....he was very much aware of energy and how it worked and affected life..I think that's why his music was so uplifting and inspiring as well as he himself....he didn't just perform, but he interracted with his audience...it was symbiotic

paisleypunk said:

I remember reading in one interview that Prince had mentioned how he could affect peoples' energy and chakras with music, something to that effect, not remembering it verbatim....which is true, tones/vibrations affect everything....he was very much aware of energy and how it worked and affected life..I think that's why his music was so uplifting and inspiring as well as he himself....he didn't just perform, but he interracted with his audience...it was symbiotic

music has documentable effects on the human body. traumatised emotionally disturbed children and even those diagnosed with autism are at times subject of medical music therapy. benefits have been recorded. it's fascinating. there are music therapy facilites here in the twin cities for both children and adults. i wonder has anyone ever 'musicized' the fibonacci series??

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paisleypunk said:

XxAxX said:

paisleypunk said:

I remember reading in one interview that Prince had mentioned how he could affect peoples' energy and chakras with music, something to that effect, not remembering it verbatim....which is true, tones/vibrations affect everything....he was very much aware of energy and how it worked and affected life..I think that's why his music was so uplifting and inspiring as well as he himself....he didn't just perform, but he interracted with his audience...it was symbiotic

music has documentable effects on the human body. traumatised emotionally disturbed children and even those diagnosed with autism are at times subject of medical music therapy. benefits have been recorded. it's fascinating. there are music therapy facilites here in the twin cities for both children and adults. i wonder has anyone ever 'musicized' the fibonacci series??

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There was something on YouTube that stated that some rock song (sorry don't remember which one) was like that. I thought I posted it years ago, but probably not.

morningsong said:

So has it been unravelled what his shirt is supposed to mean?

It means he needed a new shirt and he liked that one.

paisleypunk said:

Junglehop said:

I'm blown away that some of you here don't even seem to realise that months are units of time relating to the motions and cycles of the moon… people are so disconnected from nature now. even the etymology of the word 'month' is derived from the word 'moon'

Thank you, Jungle. Correction in saying the moon moved into Scorpio on the 22nd of April. the exact time was 1:25 Eastern Daylight Time, 10:25 Pacific Daylight Time. If you live on the west coast of the USA it is the 21st. Go around the globe from there to determine which day YOU were in mathematically when our Hero died.

Real astrologers get into family dynamics too. Prince's Mother and Mayte were/are Sun Scorpios. His Father was a Cancer - Cardinal Water sign (look it up) - talented and prone to insecurity.

GustavoRibas said:

FUNKNROLL said:

He seemed increasling preoccupied w/the astro moon calendar before he passed.

He always seemed to hint at ancient/new-age beliefs even after he became JW.

Not saying he's an occultist but it clearly meant something to him.

Any wiccans/druids on this board w/guesses what it might have meant?

- Hmmm...didnt know he was interested in astro moon calendar. Did he say it in an interview?

It´s interesting that even after he became a JW, he was interested in eastern beliefs. The 3rd Eye is proof of that. Always wondered why, because christians (and JW probably) avoid all these kinds of things.

the bible is actually full of moon and 3rd eye references. the new moon is a big deal in judaism. the word translated "forehead" in the bible means "place between the eyes" which is where the pineal gland is.

• thank you every1 for all the interesting moon info. it was interesting to be reminded of the elevator in underthecherrymoon.

• even though the technical full moon date in central time would be just barely 4/22, like others said the influence includes the surrounding dates. But out of curiosity, because of the songs 'i w d 4 21' and about dying under the cherry moon, i looked up past and future full moons that occur on 4/21. there was one in 1951, 1970, and 1989. then no more through the year 2100, though of course there are several on 4/20 and 4/22.

• there were some early 3eg instrumentals about "moondrop" and menstrual cycle in 2013. fallinlove2nite also mentions the moon.

• i was wondering if any1 else has experienced something like this.... i had planned to just keep this to myself but just in case any1 else can relate, i'll share. so i go to a couple of prince concerts at the myth in may 2013, unaware of the moon at that time, but walking to the hotel after the concert, i look up, and there is the full supermoon, very very big, and i see prince's face in it, as if the moon is a tv screen that is playing a video of prince talking to someone (without audio) to the right of where i was . His hair looked like the emancipation era (whereas at the concert his hair was natural). I did a double and triple take, prince still there, and no one else exiting the concert seemed to be experiencing this. i've been sober my whole life, totally free from drugs aside from a brief kahlua phase in 1990. I could only rationalize that i had been staring at prince a lot for the past 4 hours, and that it was my first prince concert in 15 years, so very exciting, and i was surrounded by drunks in the concert so maybe they rubbed off on me. But man, it was really cool

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

the bible is actually full of moon and 3rd eye references. the new moon is a big deal in judaism. the word translated "forehead" in the bible means "place between the eyes" which is where the pineal gland is.

- Cool. Didnt know it. I am starting to study the Bible on my own, also. But don´t know much of it yet, specially the Old Testament. Can you give me some verses about ´forehead´?

purplepoppy said:

Junglehop said:

eye'm blown away that some of U here don't even seem 2 realise that months are units of time relating 2 the motions and cycles of the moon… people are so disconnected from nature now. even the etymology of the word 'month' is derived from the word 'moon'

Thank U, Jungle. Correction in saying the moon moved into Scorpio on the 22nd of April. the exact time was 1:25 Eastern Daylight Time, 10:25 Pacific Daylight Time. If U live on the west coast of the USA it is the 21st. Go around the globe from there 2 determine which day U were in mathematically when our Hero died.

Real astrologers get into family dynamics too. Prince's Mother and Mayte were/are Sun Scorpios. His Father was a Cancer - Cardinal Water sign (look it up) - talented and prone 2 insecurity.

PurplePoppy - this is really cool. I would love to know more.

GustavoRibas said:

PURplEMaPLeSyrup said:

the bible is actually full of moon and 3rd eye references. the new moon is a big deal in judaism. the word translated "forehead" in the bible means "place between the eyes" which is where the pineal gland is.

- Cool. Didnt know it. I am starting to study the Bible on my own, also. But don´t know much of it yet, specially the Old Testament. Can you give me some verses about ´forehead´?

i will look up verses in my concordance and let you know. sorry i would like to be an expert and know it all by heart i know there's a lot in revelation .

• also, any verses about visions, dreams and seers, aka prophets are about the spiritual vision, which is perceived in the 3rd eye. but from a christian perspective, its probably best to ask the holy spirit to guide one to verses and reveal their true meaning. but if we agree that the function of the third eye is to see the spiritual world, then thats on most every page of the bible.
• i read an interesting book called "unlocking the hidden mysteries of the seer anointing" by kevin basconi, which says that anyone can ask God for the gift of being a seer, in order to be aware of the spiritual forces at work.

Superfan1984 said:

Yes, I would also like to know where the bible talks about third eye and the moon-- if anyone knows, I would appreciate...

i will look up in the concordance, there are dozens of moon verses. the only one i remember is psalm 89:37, where the moon is described as a faithful witness.