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PrintableVery good point. And a great advice. I've been hearing people say some increadible things about Prince, like they knew anything about him... | |
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I usually only discuss my obsession with Prince's music with other people who are deep into music, collect records and/or CDs and have a favorite that they themselves obsessively collect. They may not get "Prince", but they get the obsession. I've always enjoyed making the case that Prince absolutely has a place in the discussion of legends like Miles, James, Jimi, Bowie, Zappa, etc...
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What would be your response if someone who is into stamp collecting started talking to you about stamps all friggin day? At first you may enquire about the penny black 'cos everyones heard of that one, but you would quickly run out of things to say because you HAVE NO INTEREST IN STAMP COLLECTING. People who are into stamp collecting would logically turn to websites such as stamps.org to discuss their passion with like-minded souls, rather than bore everyone else to buggery over their minority interest.
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thank you for this thread radici27. i needed to see it in writing. i will be obedient. its been so hard to refrain from interjecting in random conversations while in line at Dunkin Donuts,etc. Casual fans go back under the rock you've been under since Purple Rain!! | |
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radici27 said: My aunt knows someone who knew Vanity and relayed what Vanity said about how Prince left her high and dry. Great I said, a second hand relaying of an over 30 year old anecdote, "what am I supposed to do with that?" I asked. Again, she relayed things she heard Carmen Electra say, great an over twenty year old anecdote. Prince's massive output in music, performing, collaborating, etc, lost on her. Over the years I've never cared about any of the would be "news" about Prince, the love life, supposed weirdness, and excentricity, etc. I cared about the next album, when is the next show and how can I get to it. The non-P fans don't value that obviously and are left to peddle media bits. Sorry if there are typos. I am on the subway. I don't know why this double posted. Sorry | |
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TheSkinMechanic said: What would be your response if someone who is into stamp collecting started talking to you about stamps all friggin day? At first you may enquire about the penny black 'cos everyones heard of that one, but you would quickly run out of things to say because you HAVE NO INTEREST IN STAMP COLLECTING. People who are into stamp collecting would logically turn to websites such as stamps.org to discuss their passion with like-minded souls, rather than bore everyone else to buggery over their minority interest. I don't get the analogy. Not talking about stamps here, talking about a very famous musician who recently passed.It's going to elicit some discussion.In my case someone initiated the conversation with me about Prince. Typically the family, friends and co-workers who know you're a fan will bring it up.
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Yes, but for the majority of people, if they know about Prince at all, it was primarily for the hits (the penny blacks), my point is that some people posting here seem to be annoyed that other people just dont find him that interesting (one person admitted that he/she felt like physically assaulting people over it), and think it's the other persons problem, not their own. | |
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I'm not a loud person at all but I have nearly went OFF on people. | |
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LOL ....I've actually thought this myself. Some people just know him for "Purple Rain"! And it's SOOO frustrating, because YES, Purple Rain is wonderful, but OH MY GOSH, HE IS ABOUT SOOOO SOOOO SOOOO MUCH MORE!!!! Really really annoying to have people talk about him when all they know about him is he did Purple Rain. I know I need to just leave it alone and not let my feathers get all ruffled, but he has done so much more both BEFORE AND AFTER Purple Rain!!!! AND GET THIS!! I actually had a lady at work (who I don't know all that well) be so ugly about him. This was last week and she had on some Purple Heels, which were GORGEOUS, and I walked in the copy room and I just said "I absolutely LOVE your purple heels!" ...she replies "yeah, but it's not because of that idiot Prince" ....I told her "now stop right there - I love Prince and am only able now to try and get through a day without crying" - she STILL says "I don't care about the man at all - he was an idiot" ....and I just looked at her - my face was probably all twisted in confusion because I couldn't believe this woman CONTINUED with negativity after I asked her to stop - and I said "Okay, well I think he is a GENIUS and I'm one of those people who adore everything about him and am soooo sad that he's gone - I've actually been to Paisley Park where he was found dead - so I'm serious about asking you to stop" - something along that line - thinking she will just stop with seeing how passionate I felt about it - BUT she STILL kept on with "I don't care, he's an idiot" ....I just looked at her and said "well, we can agree to disagree then" and I just grabbed my papers and walked out. I'm 48, and this woman is older than I am and I was just floored. It is just rude!! Whether you liked the man or not, it is just common courtesy to shut the hell up when someone brings to your attention that what you are saying could be hurtful. WHY ARE SOME PEOPLE SO AWFUL AND SO INSENSITIVE AND JUST SO MEAN SPIRITED. Needless to say, since that day, I have avoided being in the same room with her and will continue to do so. BUT, she is obviously a non-Prince fan - and this post is "Don't have Conversations about Prince with Non-Prince Fans!!" ....Amen to that one! | |
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For solace i come here everyday. | |
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Just like me. Thanks! | |
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I'd like to ask this trick that you speaketh about what makes him such a "idiot" in her opinion? She may have some bad karma come back on her speaking so bad about our boy. |
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People have already gotten annoyed of me because I don't stop posting stuff about Prince on Facebook and Instagram. On Twitter I barely have any followers so nobody cares. I made it pretty clear after he died that if I was being annoying then they should hit the "unfriend" button because I frankly don't give a sh!t what people think anymore. My whole life I have spent being afraid of what people thought of me and I've spent so much time hiding who I really am (including the fact that I'm a huge Prince fan) and now I regret all of that because I look like a new bandwagon fan to everyone on social media now.
I remember being in 5th grade and getting made fun of and outcasted so badly because I made up this stupid list of celebrities I thought were "cool" and others that "sucked" (I was 10 at the time so that explains it) and I included Prince very high in the list of "cool" and all the kids were giving me sh!t about it. This one girl, who even to this day annoys the hell out of me, took a bright colored pen and wrote next to Prince's name "Ewww he's gay and nasty" and then she told everyone "(my name here) likes Prince!" and everyone said "ew" and they started to spew out all this disrespectful and homophobic stuff about him. After that it was pretty clear to everyone that I was a "freak". I went home and started crying and I learned my lesson. "I was here in the beginning and I'll be here forever more" | |
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These posts have been very interesting for me to read as I have, I guess, been lucky enough to have mostly the exact oppisite experience during this really rough time. I too have spent the vast majority of my 30 plus years of "fandom" not really advertising it, and in fact, avoiding it usually as the discussion was usually not meaningful as people were usually ignorant. But during the immediate time after his passing, my phone as well as email and in person encounters were with people saying that I was the first person they thought about when they heard the news. They then would ask me or my wife how I was doing, and I was honest with them. I would say, "ya know, not too good actually. This may sound weird to you, but I feel like I lost a friend. He has been a part of my life for 30 plus years and I am really sad, sad to my core." "I would then say this hit me a thousand times harder than I could have ever imagined". And the response I received almost 100% of the time was a very supportive one.
Plus, I feel that people have opened their mind and ears up a bit more to him since this has happened and the BS snide comments about weirdness, etc. have given way to the casual fan and just man on the street to feelings of understanding how music lost a real treasure. I recently had a "Prince party" at my house and prob 80% of the people there knew just the hits or even less. So I gave a little intro talk and I said that many of these Prince parties that have happened around the world are people sitting around and watching Purple Rain together. Well, this ain't that kind of party, I am going to show you the real reason why this man was so special to not only me, but to the world. I then commenced to show multiple live performance videos showing him play many different instruments and many different styles. At the end of the night and even the days following, people who attended proactively contacted me and thanked me for the night and said they had no idea this guy was as talented as he was, and they felt sad that they somehow missed out on his full incredibleness and just thanked me again for "schooling" them about this treaure and about "my friend" that they didn't know. But for those casual fans who connected with him just through the hits, don't slam of look down on them. That was just where they were with him and they still had an appreciation for him. They just were not able to par take in the full bounty!!
So yea, I would prefer to have not had the events that happened to result in this new found interest transpire, but I always welcome sharing the magic of Prince with anyone who wants to experience what it was like to see him perform and watch him work. I am very sad for everyone who has had folks around them not be sensitive to what they are feeling. But again, I took the approach of being direct and honest, but not hysterical, at least not in public, and just said, "ya know, I am not doing too good with this", and let my sincerity speak and this has usually neutralized the insensative ones out there. Might not work 100% of the time, but maybe it will help. Hang in there everyone, it's been a trying few weeks and at least I am not crying everyday, but the tears can appear without warning!!! LOL | |
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I agree. It's better not say anything. I got lambasted for expressing grief over Prince's passing from a friend on Facebook. She wrote in response to my comment, that she was sick to death hearing about Prince's death in the media. According to this "friend", we should be focusing on true heroes like cops, firefighters, and soldiers who die everyday giving their lives for others. She said Prince was a junkie and I should get over it already. It was hurtful. I do care about all of those people as well. Needless to say, I deleted her. | |
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Not that it hasn't always been evident in every facet of life, but Prince's death really solidified for me that there is a distinct and innate difference between people who are musical (be it as a musician, a vocalist, a writer, or someone who just feels every beat, line and riff with their actual core) and people who just listen to music because it's what you do as a human. I've gone on and on since 4/21 and a few of my musician friends get where I'm coming from and have mourned with me, but my family just look at me like I'm an alien. They don't get it in any capacity. They don't think "Kiss" is art and fail to see Prince as anything more than an headline grabbing, synth-pop shock rocker. I'm done trying to make them get it because it will never happen. That devastates me and makes me feel like I'm alone on an island all at once. | |
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SoulAlive said: lol...I rarely discuss Prince with non-fans.They just don't "get" it,they don't understand him or his music. Agree! "I don't make the rules. I just play" | |
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I've had people show up to a Prince concert and told me they are not a Prince fan they are just there to be nosey. WHY? I can only relate and talk to a REAL Prince fam. Notice I said FAM. I also avoid because of the "isn't he gay" crap. I got replies to that question that are too raunchy to post. But one is -he's had more women in his life time they you'll ever get in yours. "I don't make the rules. I just play" | |
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The hardest time Being a Prince fan is now, just his passing. All folks around have been very understanding and nice, except two "funny" colleagues. But they knew what time it was when I stared at them and they stopped right away. And how can they know as much as me, a fan? I don't really blame them, they repeat what they read or hear. And I am there to educate them. When they talk about a few of his biggest hits, I say I can let them hear other stuff because I have almost forty official Prince albums on my iPhone. That one usually changes the look of a face. Produced, Arranged, Composed & Performed by PRINCE
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I was told by someone that they can't cry over someone they've never met or knew personally. They said "Well how do you think his family feels?", as if that somehow diminishes my feelings and what I'm going through. I'm not gonna lie, it made me feel like crap for a second. I said to myself well am I ridiculous for taking it this hard? Then I reminded myself, most folks just don't get it. They don't get him. My feelings are completely valid, and I shouldn't have to explain myself to anyone. Luckily we have the org where we don't have to explain ourselves and we're all able to help each other get through this. I don't waste my time talking to those who aren't into him unless they approach me about it and are truly interested. Plus I get extremely defensive and I'm very stubborn, so those arguments usually don't end well lol From now on, 4 U I shall be wild 💜 | |
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Your feelings about this are totally valid. Never doubt that. If people can't understand that.. to hell with em... | |
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Right....besaide the cats that post here or were in the NPG Music Club, Housequake.com or Vault.com, I'm the biggest Prince fan I know and I can't discuss his music with the average person because they have no knowledge of his craft besides the music he released in the 80's. [Edited 5/10/16 10:35am] | |
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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I appreciate this. I and one other friend here have been hardcore fans since the 80's and were looked upon as weird or strange. I'm talking the bootleg music, the performances that the average person has not seen, the undergound VHS tape were the purchase of them was like doing some illicit crime. Since 4/21/2016 I've had folks say they now understand were we were coming from and that they were so sorry that they did not give his music an honest listen when he was hot and alive. I also had many friends say that I was was the first person they thought of when they heard the news and was wondering if I was okay. Our time into his music was not and will continue to be not in vain. Many now know what we have known for years....This brother popped! [Edited 5/10/16 10:30am] [Edited 5/10/16 10:32am] | |
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This is why I come here and I'm grateful that we do have this forum.. because talking to someone that wasnt familiar with him is very frustrating. | |
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The day I found out about his passing a friend saw me tear up and followed me outside. She kept asking what was wrong and i kept replying nothing was wrong. Until I finally gave in and told her that prince had died. Her reply was: "Oh! I thought something bad had happened!" | |
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Yep. Generally, the rule I follow. | |
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I hear you. For me it's not about interest. It's them commenting on things they demonstrably know very little about. | |
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