SchlomoThaHomo said: I love this fucking record. I hadn't listened to it for many years, and recently played during a road trip back to Minne. It's absolutely brilliant. It hits me in the same place that albums like Lovesexy and Parade hit me. Totally free. . Fascinating story, thanks for sharing. Is this the same time as the Kevin Smith documentary? I have always imagined that Prince had a different side(s) to the stage persona. Like we all do in different settings. . I have met people who discovered religion and religious observance and they can become quite a zealot for their new found meaning of life. The absolutism, the insistence that their interpretation is the only true one can be really grating. . The Rainbow Children is musically an unbelievably beautiful album and I try not to listen to the lyrics too closely in order to enjoy it. It is one of my favorite Prince albums. . That era, the early 2000's I only discovered in the last few years including the jazzy albums and the ONA concerts and I find it superb. Hitnrun Phase 2 has a bit of that flair, with the horns etc. but without the religious zealotry. . If he had kept the religious imagery/storytelling a little bit more universal, this album would have been recognised more broadly a masterpiece imo. ...every night another symphony... | |
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Could the "Holocause Aside" line be interpreted as "Let's keep the Holocaust out of the equation. The Holocaust should not be compared with anything else"?
The jewish names could I suppose be a call for solidarity. Jews and African-Americans were both forced to let go of their family names.
The line about "sold 2 the one who can now mate the displaced bloodline" could be about African-American slaves being raped by their slave owners?
The line about women being subserviant... I don't know... Sounds like traditional patriarchal religion to me.
If interpreted literally, and as an expression of Prince's personal beliefs, those lyrics are really hard to defend. The wooh is on the one! | |
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TRC is the only album that I cant stick with from start to finish. I start it with plans to listen to every track, then eventually hop around to a couple and then bail. This is, by a wide margin, my least favorite Prince album. that said, I am still glad that it exists for no other reason than to continue showing the incredible diversity of Prince's talents.
Regarding the massage in it? Dont care. From religion to politics, Prince has always been all over the map and it never bothered me. (Insert something clever here) | |
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I'd be lying if I said that "The Rainbow Children" was one of the Prince albums I listened to most frequently, and like a lot of you, the lyrical content seems to be a bit of a hang-up for me, too. But having said that, I had to jump on this thread and say that in the wake of Prince's death, it was "The Last December" that I gravitated to the most. Yes, even more than "Sometimes it Snows in April." The lyrics are largely a series of questions and as I sat blindsided by the tragic news, I found myself considering those questions and contemplated how - whether I liked it or not - Prince might have accomplished what he was sent to accomplish. Certainly we can agree on the lyric: "In your life did you give just a little, or did you give all that you had?"
Musically, TRC is cohesive and organic. I'm able to absorb the lyrics with the same curiosity that I consume any of his other lyrics with and find interest in them as relics of a phase in his career. I don't find myself offended by them. But that's just me. In any case, just for "The Last December Alone," I'm back to listening to the album. And that's not the only good song on it. | |
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It's batshit and very exclusionary as was his whole attitude at the time. It was extremely off-putting and virtually extinguished my active interest in him for a couple of years. So much to the point that I didn't even buy "One Nite Alone... Live" and I stopped coming to the org for so long my account was deleted. lol
I know people say this was Prince's gospel album but it ignores the fact he made a much better gospel album back in 1988. Lovesexy is loving and inclusive... TRC is ugly and divisive.
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jtfolden said:
It's batshit and very exclusionary as was his whole attitude at the time. It was extremely off-putting and virtually extinguished my active interest in him for a couple of years. So much to the point that I didn't even buy "One Nite Alone... Live" and I stopped coming to the org for so long my account was deleted. lol
I know people say this was Prince's gospel album but it ignores the fact he made a much better gospel album back in 1988. Lovesexy is loving and inclusive... TRC is ugly and divisive.
I kind of feel bad for misremembering that it was an actual MLK sample at the end of Family Name. But, I don't feel too bad, because what precedes it is a load of quasi-mystical intentionally-confusing dross. I couldn't listen to Prince again properly for a good few years until Musicology. | |
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jpav said:
I think it's a masterpiece, his last real one.his last really great work. I agree, it was his last masterpiece. Welcome 2 The Dawn | |
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jtfolden said: TRC is ugly and divisive.
I actually feel angry, after just listening to that one song again. It just reminds me of him preaching about nonsense. Thank God that he eased-up on the sanctimonious Bible-waving, in the last few years of his life. | |
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It was certainly his most extreme departure.
I don't personally relate to his beliefs, but the way he goes about expressing them in song is very impressive here, Family Name, Everywhere, The Work Part 1, She loves me 4 Me... and a few others are worthy of being remembered. | |
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Good point about Lovesexy versus TRC! Aside from insensitive phrases like Holocaust aside which makes no sense (just reread the lyrics), the whole narrative of this album is gibberish. One thing he has been going on about though is the racial divide/issues in the US and black lives matter which are all good causes, though in interviews I felt he sometimes sounded a bit "reverse racist". Prince for sure had a few weird uncomfortable opinions and attitudes, and his belief in stuff like chemtrails and Dick Gregory even recently (and he had no will! who with large assets doesn't have a will??) suggests to me he was a genius in the music department but otherwise very naive, to put it nicely. ...every night another symphony... | |
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I listened to it and cried. I was so disconnected from it that I felt like that was it, I had to move on. Weirdest reaction to an album ever. 'Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it can only be changed from one form to another.'- Einstein
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I tend to agree with you. Prince's beliefs have always been all over the map when it comes to politics and religion and the way he would fishtail back and forth on things, often insulting friends and fans alike was frustrating... It was like he always had to be right, even if he would change his mind tomorrow.
After the shock of the TRC era wore off, I just learned to focus on the music and treat any commentary coming out of his mouth on those topics as quaint fancies. | |
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Yep, between the album itself and the comments coming back from the Celebration events in 2001 I felt really *done*. | |
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The thing I liked about Lovesexy was it seemed more spiritual and not as much bogged down in the dogma of religion, playing on larger themes of good vs evil, loneliness, etc.. that are more widely relatable than dissecting scriptures from the bible. ¡The Future Is Ours, If You Can Count! https://www.youtube.com/w...A_zTY0qWWk | |
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Yep, exactly... there was no real dogma in Lovesexy, not even a truly enforced idea of what God might personally be to you, the listener.
TRC on the other hand is very preachy and is actively judging the listener. | |
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I still feel that this is 1 of his best albums, tho i didnt get 2 caught up in the complete narrative, i didnt find it overly offensive. And even the most questionable lyrics have 2 be taken with a grain of salt and can be looked at from many different angles. There's nothing about this album that is cut and dry and thats the beauty of it. In a way it reminded me alot of 1 of my aunts, after a series of major life changing events she got really deep off in her bible and christianity, to the point that u couldnt even have a regular conversation with her without practically being beaten over the head with her notion of salvation and being saved. i got it. it was all she had 2 hold on to and religion made her feel...something. I was never sure if it was good or bad but it made her feel...eventually she found her true spirit again and learned wholeness and balance and that was just a phase...a phase i think she needed, but a phase nonetheless. Idk...that was a very long ramble 2 say that i can totally understand the making and the reasoning behind the album and still find it very enjoyable even if all the commentary wasnt 4 me per se...and idc what anyone says Everywhere is 1 of the best gospel songs ive ever heard | |
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Musically, this was IMO the best album he did since disbanding the NPG in 1995, and the tour that followed was even better (best tour since Lovesexy). Lyrically, it's not any worse than what he was saying in interviews starting in 1998. It was at this point that I realized that I'd always admire his musical talent, but that he's simply not very smart intellectually. No Candy 4 Me | |
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Lots of people get deeply religious at some point in their life. TRC was Prince's most publicly visible time of that, and understandably so with the tragedy of his son, combined with the usual midlife soul-searching that happens around age 40. . I'm a jazz lover from way back and TRC is quite great musically. Lots of fresh sounds for Prince, organic, love those horns. . And difficult to digest lyrically, and marred by the darth vader voiceovers. . It's a single record that has some of the best & worst that Prince ever released. . But who can doubt that Prince said what he wanted to say, in the way he wanted to say it? That artistic courage is to be appreciated. "..free to change your mind" | |
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I had only been into Prince for a few years when TRC came out. I was so excited for its release. I remember in Ahdio Show 5... The Digital Garden mixed right into N'Dambi's So Deep... I quit my job the night it came out to go listen to it with friends- when it was just one long track to the NPG members. Obviously such a contrast to his other stuff that I was loving. I did like a few tracks- thought they all definitely took on a new life in the live setting. I remember hearing what Prince was telling us all- but not totally understanding- as a lot of the NPGMC music club tracks were in such content opposition to TRC. I still have it though. I listen to the live record more. I'm just sad I sold My One Nite Alone Box Set which included the piano disc (members) and my Aladdin DVD. I could use some extra cash these days. And my Rave In2 disc... I made bad choices. I still have all the music. But those physically were cool. | |
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I pretty much groove up until Family Name, Everlasting Now and Last December which seem like the perfect past, present, future of what Prince was struggling with.
Never cared about the JW nature of it all. | |
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THis right here. I remember at that time, this was the album that I heard and immediately thought "THIS is a Prince album". | |
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lol this is the first time I've laughed reading Prince.org in quite a while. Thanks for clearing that lyric up for whoever said it was "god damned". And you're right it's not ambiguous at all, it's quite clear. It's a very inclusive line. | |
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The album is fascinating to me. One of my favorites. Pretty much like anything, the more passion I can pickup on my still janky radio, the easier it sometimes is to make it my own. Now I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. I'm not a leader or a follower. And I'm not religious. I'm someone who questions everything and can see parts of me in everyone (we're all very much the same if you're looking deep enough). Like a sponge I want to soak up all those things that might contribute to making me a little bit less of a jerk. Prince has always followed his muse bravely (extraordinarily so), even if he was laughed at or hated because of (and he often was). I would like to become that, even as ridiculously far away from that ideal as I remain. Here is an excerpt from Kevin Smith (the filmmaker) speaking about the death of Prince's child and the breakup of his marriage. It's done through already partially choked-backed tears. (Remember, Kevin is the guy who worked with Prince on a documentary built around this album over 15 years ago.) "He was in a sad place, obviously. But he turned to faith in a big way. Jehovah's Witnesses, man. [Kind of laughing at the notion.] You know, I'm okay with every faith on the planet so long as you don't hurt anybody. But you feel kinda like 'okay, thanks Jehovah's Witnesses' because they gave that dude some peace for awhile in this lifetime. [...] There was a reason for it. That's probably what kept that dude afloat during the worst fucking time of his life." http://youtu.be/kW5oQigsZbw | |
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jtfolden said:
It's batshit and very exclusionary as was his whole attitude at the time. It was extremely off-putting and virtually extinguished my active interest in him for a couple of years. So much to the point that I didn't even buy "One Nite Alone... Live" and I stopped coming to the org for so long my account was deleted. lol
I know people say this was Prince's gospel album but it ignores the fact he made a much better gospel album back in 1988. Lovesexy is loving and inclusive... TRC is ugly and divisive.
Well I was going to say something, but it's like you were in my fucking head, because I would have said exactly the same. Ha! Very divisive period. I felt betrayed... This was the Uptown guy pushing my white ass to the side? Didn't really return to the fold until Musicology. Bought NEWS and whatever else in between, but solely out of habit. Couldn't listen to it, though. Musicology brought me back, but I've always been a bit skeptical ever since. Like others though, I think the music is BRILLIANT. Too bad about the devisive lyrics. | |
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GirlBrother said: jtfolden said:
It's batshit and very exclusionary as was his whole attitude at the time. It was extremely off-putting and virtually extinguished my active interest in him for a couple of years. So much to the point that I didn't even buy "One Nite Alone... Live" and I stopped coming to the org for so long my account was deleted. lol
I know people say this was Prince's gospel album but it ignores the fact he made a much better gospel album back in 1988. Lovesexy is loving and inclusive... TRC is ugly and divisive.
I kind of feel bad for misremembering that it was an actual MLK sample at the end of Family Name. But, I don't feel too bad, because what precedes it is a load of quasi-mystical intentionally-confusing dross. I couldn't listen to Prince again properly for a good few years until Musicology. Ha! Just said the same thing. Interesting to see I wasn't alone here. | |
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maleeboo said: I listened to it and cried. I was so disconnected from it that I felt like that was it, I had to move on. Weirdest reaction to an album ever. Wow...I did the same! Can't believe how many felt like this... | |
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Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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This is possibly my equal favourite ever Prince album. It's a masterpiece. I adore every song on it and find new interpretations almost everytime I listen. I interpret some of the black/white struggles as a mirror for JW/non-JW struggles, which I can then relate to life philosophy and the search for satisfaction in life within the modern world. You need to really let your mind drift into some of your most abstract thoughts and you'll find all kinds of gems hidden in the lyrics. [Edited 5/9/16 19:50pm] Nobody I know gun' bite | |
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I'm with the folk that love this record.. I actually got into it near the beginning of my fandom and I bumped it alot at one point. I listened to it again last week for the first time im in probably 5 or 6 years and it still holds up for me... I never bought a physical copy and I probably won't at this point unless they re issue it. I'm not paying 100+ for a CD. Lol I enjoyed that it was dark at times musically. I wasnt and I am still not a fan of the story overall, But there are definitely some gems on the project. I tune alot of its lyrics out lol. But at the time they I heard it I chalked alot of its story to religious fanaticism and because of the org I kind of knew what to expect going into it... For me 1+1+1 is 3. was the toughest to reconcile re the lyrics, but the groove won me over, kind of like a rap song (vainandy would hate me for going there lol) "Where you are now is in a place that does not require time." - Rest In Power, PRINCE | |
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