BartVanHemelen said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Ok, we can agree to disagree.....

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No, you're wrong, djThunderfunk is right.

You're wrong, 4 the constant criticism & negativity, U spread of on here, year after year after year.

It's getting tired and old...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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No, you're wrong, djThunderfunk is right.

You're wrong, 4 the constant criticism & negativity, U spread of on here, year after year after year.

It's getting tired and old...

dodger said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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I vaguely recall some rumors about more contributions, something about a movie soundtrack IIRC -- mid-1990s?.

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I think that was From Dusk Till Dawn

Wasn't there a rumour/suggestion (from long ago) he re-recorded either The Joshua Tree or Like A Prayer??

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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No, you're wrong, djThunderfunk is right.

You're wrong, 4 the constant criticism & negativity, U spread of on here, year after year after year.

It's getting tired and old...

Although I would agree that Bart's consistent criticism on Prince's career can seem tiresome, I would say that your constant praise and automatic opinion that every move Prince makes is a masterpiece is even more annoying.

At least Bart is able to make his points and express himself with words and information in an attempt to back up his opinions. He succeeds in communicating in a civilized way that is much less offensive that your standard eye roll emoticon.

Yes. Bart should move on from Prince as it is obvious his fandom hasn't brought him joy in a very long time. But, at least he's able to debate and defend his opinions by communicating in a mature way. Giving people the eyeroll & head-shaking emoticons is a very childish way to communicate and suggests that you are unable to defend your point of view in an intelligent manner.

In my not-at-all-humble opinion, of course...

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rap said:

Wasn't there a rumour/suggestion (from long ago) he re-recorded either The Joshua Tree or Like A Prayer??

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dodger said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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I vaguely recall some rumors about more contributions, something about a movie soundtrack IIRC -- mid-1990s?.

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I think that was From Dusk Till Dawn

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Ah yes.

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This has never been confirmed,but supposedly,in 1995,Madonna and Prince recorded two duets---"Mad" and "Funk Of A Thousand Years"---for the 'From Dusk Til Dawn' movie soundtrack.Since nobody has ever heard these songs,I was reluctant to add them to my list.Could just be a rumor.

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I recall seeing this in The Prince Family newsletter.

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Yet another tidbit that's missing from PrinceVault. Then again, others on that thread say these tracks really don't exist:

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Funk Of A Thousand Years is one of the supposed Madonna/Prince tracks that was going to be in From Dusk Til Dawn. It wasn't. It was confirmed false by PP employees, as a joke that another PP employee had started in Prince circles.

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And then there's of course:

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By Alien Means is a Prince track from around 1988/1989, and he supposedly gave it to her after seeing her Blond Ambition show in 1990. I believe, at the time, it was either going to be a one-off single (or various artists compiliation track). The rumor of it resurfaced again for the Erotica album.

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^ I think maybe you meant to link THIS old thread? http://prince.org/msg/8/61125

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Wow, I didn't realize Madge had an expansive Vault of her own!

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CandaceS said:

^ I think maybe you meant to link THIS old thread? http://prince.org/msg/8/61125

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Gorram stupid internal link bug (which had been fixed and then just re-appeared).

djThunderfunk said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

You're wrong, 4 the constant criticism & negativity, U spread of on here, year after year after year.

It's getting tired and old...

Although I would agree that Bart's consistent criticism on Prince's career can seem tiresome, I would say that your constant praise and automatic opinion that every move Prince makes is a masterpiece is even more annoying.

At least Bart is able to make his points and express himself with words and information in an attempt to back up his opinions. He succeeds in communicating in a civilized way that is much less offensive that your standard eye roll emoticon.

Yes. Bart should move on from Prince as it is obvious his fandom hasn't brought him joy in a very long time. But, at least he's able to debate and defend his opinions by communicating in a mature way. Giving people the eyeroll & head-shaking emoticons is a very childish way to communicate and suggests that you are unable to defend your point of view in an intelligent manner.

In my not-at-all-humble opinion, of course...

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You're my hero.

BartVanHemelen said:

Vice has an interview with Mobeen Azhar, which I don't think has been linked here.

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No surprise, Prince was actively trying to sabotage this documentary:

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I have to say, getting a hold of Prince was hugely difficult. It's probably worth me telling you that I've been in touch with Prince's PR company for ages, and they weren't very helpful. The requests would go around in a circle. Once, every couple of months, I would call up and say, "We're doing this documentary. I want to know about Prince's availability. Is there any way we can interview 3rdEyeGirl, the current band, or Prince? Maybe I'd get a response back in two weeks saying, "We've put this request forward."

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When things really started moving and I went into full-time production, the first interview I got was with Matt Fink, the keyboard player for the Revolution. He plays that famous riff on "1999." A few days later, the PR company emails me one line—this is after six months of me being in touch—and the one line is, "Hey, Mobeen, who have you got signed up to do this documentary?" And I'm thinking, OK, do I tell them? Because at this point I've spoken to, I think, six or seven people and the only two who have really signed up are Cat and Matt Fink. So I think I don't want to mention Cat. I'll just test the water and say I'm speaking to Matt Fink and a host of other Prince associates and protégés. Within 24 hours, Matt Fink emailed me and says, "Hey, Prince's lawyers have been in touch. I can't do the interview. Take care. Bye."

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There's a ton of great stuff in that interview, go read it.

This interview is brilliant, thanks for the link. Michael B's story about recording Willing & Able and Money Don't Matter 2 Night is nuts!

Mobeen has done a great job with this, it's not easy to please the both fans and the public but - minor inaccuracies aside - he's pulled it off. Lets hope the TV/filmed version makes it to fruition.

Out of curiosity (maybe Militant knows), on what grounds can Prince's lawyers stop ex-bandmembers from speaking publicly? Have they previously signed non-disclosure agreements or something?

Interesting but my least favorite kind of Prince documentary: a bunch of people inflating their roles, perceptions, and perspectives in Prince history and talking about what they think Prince was thinking, doing, should have done or should do - (mostly of the "lighter persuasion" per Prince's phrase from an old Tavis Smiley interview on BET.)

djThunderfunk said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

You're wrong, 4 the constant criticism & negativity, U spread of on here, year after year after year.

It's getting tired and old...

Although I would agree that Bart's consistent criticism on Prince's career can seem tiresome, I would say that your constant praise and automatic opinion that every move Prince makes is a masterpiece is even more annoying.

At least Bart is able to make his points and express himself with words and information in an attempt to back up his opinions. He succeeds in communicating in a civilized way that is much less offensive that your standard eye roll emoticon.

Yes. Bart should move on from Prince as it is obvious his fandom hasn't brought him joy in a very long time. But, at least he's able to debate and defend his opinions by communicating in a mature way. Giving people the eyeroll & head-shaking emoticons is a very childish way to communicate and suggests that you are unable to defend your point of view in an intelligent manner.

In my not-at-all-humble opinion, of course...

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Ummm! No unable to entertain negativity DUDE....

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

djThunderfunk said:

Although I would agree that Bart's consistent criticism on Prince's career can seem tiresome, I would say that your constant praise and automatic opinion that every move Prince makes is a masterpiece is even more annoying.

At least Bart is able to make his points and express himself with words and information in an attempt to back up his opinions. He succeeds in communicating in a civilized way that is much less offensive that your standard eye roll emoticon.

Yes. Bart should move on from Prince as it is obvious his fandom hasn't brought him joy in a very long time. But, at least he's able to debate and defend his opinions by communicating in a mature way. Giving people the eyeroll & head-shaking emoticons is a very childish way to communicate and suggests that you are unable to defend your point of view in an intelligent manner.

In my not-at-all-humble opinion, of course...

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Ummm! No unable to entertain negativity DUDE....

So, going back, you made some claims about Prince's "rights" and I corrected you on having your facts wrong.

You responded as if we were talking about opinions rather than facts.

Bart responded that I had the facts right.
You responded to him that he was wrong, because of his negativity (which has no bearing on facts).

I compared his extreme negativity to your extreme positivity and the difference in your abilities to communicate.

You respond with the above.
No wonder you use the eyerolls so much, it's because you're just not very good with words.

So, whatever, "dude".

You think your opinion has more weight than legal facts.

Rather than attempt to defend that undefendable position you change the conversation and I guess try to prove you are right because of Bart's negativity.
As you are unable to use your words to debate and defend your position I guess this conversation is over, so...

Fact: Prince does not have a right to prevent former bandmates from talking about their time together. You are wrong on this and Bart's negativity has no bearing on the facts.

Bring on the eyerolls!!

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djThunderfunk said:

Fact: Prince does not have a right to prevent former bandmates from talking about their time together.

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Can we be completely sure about that?

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Is it a proven fact that there is no settlement with people like Matt Fink or Wendy and Lisa, which may have been agreed on after their time in the Prince camp, which might include a non-disclosure agreement?

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Do we have the exact correspondence of these people with Prince's lawyers in hand? I think we don't. Maybe all they wrote was something like "We would like to respectfully remind you of the settlement you have signed, including the non-disclosure agreement. We will observe with great care if any agreements of this settlement will be violated in the interview." etc.

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I'm not trying to defend Prince, I actually consider his secret service-type of behaviour to be rather silly. However, the exact facts behind all this might not be known around here, so we should be a bit more careful with the judgement.

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Just my 2 cents...

EmancipationLover said:

djThunderfunk said:

Fact: Prince does not have a right to prevent former bandmates from talking about their time together.

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Can we be completely sure about that?

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Is it a proven fact that there is no settlement with people like Matt Fink or Wendy and Lisa, which may have been agreed on after their time in the Prince camp, which might include a non-disclosure agreement?

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Do we have the exact correspondence of these people with Prince's lawyers in hand? I think we don't. Maybe all they wrote was something like "We would like to respectfully remind you of the settlement you have signed, including the non-disclosure agreement. We will observe with great care if any agreements of this settlement will be violated in the interview." etc.

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I'm not trying to defend Prince, I actually consider his secret service-type of behaviour to be rather silly. However, the exact facts behind all this might not be known around here, so we should be a bit more careful with the judgement.

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Just my 2 cents...

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Let's see:

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• Most courts require any confidentiality agreement to be "reasonable." To determine reasonableness, courts will look at issues such as:
  • the interests of the employer in keeping the information secret
  • the time the information must be kept secret
  • the burden on the employee, and
  • the interests of the public
• Most confidentiality agreements also include exceptions for information the employees already knew, materials already generally available to the public, and materials obtained illegally.

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Fink et al aren't saying anything that's business sensitive. Again: these NDAs are mere threats. Virtual sticks to beat a dog with. Prince is a bully and a control freak, that's all.

EmancipationLover said:

djThunderfunk said:

Fact: Prince does not have a right to prevent former bandmates from talking about their time together.

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Can we be completely sure about that?

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Is it a proven fact that there is no settlement with people like Matt Fink or Wendy and Lisa, which may have been agreed on after their time in the Prince camp, which might include a non-disclosure agreement?

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Do we have the exact correspondence of these people with Prince's lawyers in hand? I think we don't. Maybe all they wrote was something like "We would like to respectfully remind you of the settlement you have signed, including the non-disclosure agreement. We will observe with great care if any agreements of this settlement will be violated in the interview." etc.

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I'm not trying to defend Prince, I actually consider his secret service-type of behaviour to be rather silly. However, the exact facts behind all this might not be known around here, so we should be a bit more careful with the judgement.

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Just my 2 cents...

To be clear, I have no idea what is in the agreements that they may have signed, nor do I pretend to.

If they have signed agreements that place restrictions on their rights, then they may have voluntarily (presumably) given up some rights.

Regardless, it would still not be among Prince's "rights" to keep them silent. Prince may have a legally binding agreement to silence them. He does not have the "right" to silence them.

Two. Different. Things. No?

They have the legal right to say what they will. They may have signed contracts forgoing those rights, and there would be consequences to breaking such agreements, but, that is a separate discussion.

Again, I don't pretend to have any knowledge as to who may or may not have sold out their rights or what the terms of those agreements may be. I'm speaking merely of civil rights in the United States, not of restrictions imposed by non-disclosure agreements.

djThunderfunk said:

If they have signed agreements that place restrictions on their rights, then they may have voluntarily (presumably) given up some rights.

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I'm speaking merely of civil rights in the United States, not of restrictions imposed by non-disclosure agreements.

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We cannot have an abstract discussion about the principle right of freedom of speech here. That principle right can be limited under certain circumstances. For instance, someone is not allowed to spread false information about someone else which is potentially harmful for that other person. Similarly, if you have entered a working relationship, it can be common practice that your job requires you not to speak publicly on certain matters.

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No one here knows any details of any potential settlement or contract of former Prince employees with Prince. We don't even know if non-disclosure agreements exist.

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And that's the whole point. It was presented as fact that Prince's lawyer team just bullied these people without any legal foundation. All I'm saying that this claim would require us to know the details of the paperwork, which we don't. We know that Prince has a habit to go after people with legal forces which he can afford, and that this is not always based on actual laws, but merely on his ability to pay the bills (while others can't). Hence, we can speculate that this has been a similar situation, but we don't know it as a fact.

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That's my whole point. For someone as obsessed with facts as Bart is, it is interesting to see how much he is into speculation as soon as it adds to his negative overall view of Prince.

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Btw, it actually would be reasonable businesswise on Prince's side to have some sort of agreement with his former employees regarding infos on vault material. The vault does add to the Prince mystery, and it is some sort of value which he can use to negotiate with record companies, for instance. The sheer thought of some buried musical treasures in the vault puts him in quite a decent position, even if he decided to quit recording new material from now onwards. A former employee listing in detail what's in the vault and what isn't is not really helpful in this setting.

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Of course, I don't know if such agreements exist either - but it is something we can't rule out.

It is a FACT that Wendy & Lisa, were given a cease & desist letter, to shut them both up for good. That alone proves that, a non-disclosure agreement was signed by them & reinforced. They've both been mute ever since.

Thunderfake & Barf aren't credible of anything they've said. Why anyone would believe anything from them is beyond me.

has always controlled his privacy. He has every right to do so.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

It is a FACT that Wendy & Lisa, were given a cease & desist letter, to shut them both up for good. That alone proves that, a non-disclosure agreement was signed by them & reinforced.

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No, it does not prove that. It is also possible that Prince simply shut them up by threatening them with a long and costly lawsuit, which they didn't want to enter or simply couldn't afford.

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Again, we don't know if there are such agreements and what their exact content might be. That's true for both sides in this discussion.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

It is a FACT that Wendy & Lisa, were given a cease & desist letter, to shut them both up for good. That alone proves that, a non-disclosure agreement was signed by them & reinforced. They've both been mute ever since.

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Except for all the times they've spoken. Like to Alan Light for his book last year.

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Thunderfake & Barf

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How Christian of you.

BartVanHemelen said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

It is a FACT that Wendy & Lisa, were given a cease & desist letter, to shut them both up for good. That alone proves that, a non-disclosure agreement was signed by them & reinforced. They've both been mute ever since.

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Except for all the times they've spoken. Like to Alan Light for his book last year.

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Thunderfake & Barf

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How Christian of you.

That book was very biased toward . His reputation was very tarnished in that book.

I have been called far worse things on this site, but a child of God(which I am)..

Can the entire 51 minute file be found online? I have only heard something that was edited to half that length

"The Brown Mound of Sound" - Micheal Bland. That's awesome.

I am such a fan of Susan Rogers. I had no idea what she looked like or what her voice sounded like until this doumentary and it just made me fall in love with her!

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For me, she is one of the most reliable sources when it comes to Prince. When authors interview her I know she will always include new information each time. Her approach is super intellectual as well and you can tell she has massive respect for Prince his genius, but also points out how crazy it was to work with him, without being disrespectful.