Im kinda Joking...

I could've listed the Myriad of reasons why i said 'D wishes he were Prince'..

But I think most of us know them all at this point..

I was trying to say that IMO:

Prince's influence on D isn't blown out of proportion on the org.

Anyone that know's Prince, knows that D's been studying him hard!

That's cool w/ me..

KingSausage said:

Ego101 said:

D'angelo Clearly wishes he were Prince!

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Nah. He's probably very happy being who he is, making his own music and just being a huge Prince fan like we are.

[Edited 12/28/14 4:40am]

Ego101 said:

TASKAE said:

duccichucka said:

Prince's influence on D'Angelo is blown waaay out of proportion at the Org.

How unlike them, huh? <sarcasm>

Hahah. I just felt the need to temper the "Oh my gawd, Prynce is tha Fathuh of DeAngelow!"

posts going on around here when nobody really knows what they are talking about and just

going by what D'Angelo has said about Prince's influence.

You can easily hear Sly Stone and Curtis Mayfield in all of D'Angelo's work just as much as you

can hear Prince.

duccichucka said:

TASKAE said:

How unlike them, huh? <sarcasm>

Hahah. I just felt the need to temper the "Oh my gawd, Prynce is tha Fathuh of DeAngelow!"

posts going on around here when nobody really knows what they are talking about and just

going by what D'Angelo has said about Prince's influence.

You can easily hear Sly Stone and Curtis Mayfield in all of D'Angelo's work just as much as you

can hear Prince.

Agree!

People that only listen to Prince, will think D'angelo is a copycat. People that has listened to alot of Curtis Mayfield, Marvin Gaye, Al Green and Sly Stone KNOWS that he is very much inspired by these guys also. They have a different appoach at the similar things. D'angelo is also more heavily inspired by the loose and funk of Parliament mixed with the laidback feel of The Meters meets J Dilla. Prince was/is way more on the strict James Brown type of funk approach. He also would prefer the bass precision of Larrry Graham, even though he could be nasty like Bootsy. D would easily go for a more filthy and loose Bootsy approach. Prince is blending all genres into one undefinable genre. D'angelo might find inspiration in many genres, but ends up in the soul cathegory no matter what. He is just filtering it that way, cause that's him.

Like stated, there's no need to overrationalize it.

The elements on D'Angelo's album that remind of Prince's stuff really stick out on the record. There are all kinds of influences on it, but each time there's something that sounds like Prince the listeners will go "that really sounds like Prince!". I can hear the Sly influence on it too, but it doesn't evoke the same type "that really sounds like Sly!" reaction on me.

It's usually pretty clear when an artist is trying to "do a Prince thing". For example, many other artists have used the loud handclap sound at the end of a 2 or 4 bar rhythmic pattern, but you should know perfectly well that when someone that's obviously really into Prince does it he most likely does it because Prince did it too.

It doesn't change it if some other artists have used "similar sounds" prior to Prince in "historical sense" either. It's the same awkward argument as when some people here try to appear knowledgeable by making the claim that most 80s funk bands weren't strongly influenced by Prince because "Zapp used synths heavily on More Bounce To The Ounce" or some silly shit like that.

D'Angelo loves Prince's stuff. You can hear it on the record. Pretty simple in the end.

Black Messiah, sounds like a bunch of songs from old Prince albums lol.

I like your Style!

NewYorkCity said:

Black Messiah, sounds like a bunch of songs from old Prince albums lol.

^ Prince isnt worried about D'angelo...

***Im sure He could come up with & record 12 tunes of Black Messiah quality in 3 months if he wanted to.

Easily!

I will admit, on first listen of the first two or three songs, you will think, hey, D'Angelo has out Princed Prince.....

But then I continued to listen, and I found that imitation is still so easy to feel.

I found that all the songs on Black Messiah sound the same. A little variation, some faster, some slower, and some rhythm changes, but for the most part, it's like one long song.

You would be hard pressed to find a Prince album where all the songs sound the same.

So, no, he hasn't out Princed Prince.

I am not saying it is a bad album, I like it, and I would like to see Prince do another raw, Earthy, from the gut sound again

But let's face it, if we can say it sounds like Prince, then it means Prince has already done it, and somebody once again is paying homage to the master

And that is what makes Prince.... Prince.

(This is not saying AOA is a great album, it is not. It is an easily forgettable album. Has some very emotional songs on it, BUT, still, not Prince at his best.)

Ego101 said:

KingSausage said:

I wish new Prince albums sounded like a bunch of songs from Black Messiah.

Why?

Although i respect your opinion..

I dont 100% agree with you..

IMO Since 1988 Prince has made 'at least' One album' worth of music

that would blow any of D'angelo's (3) albums out the water!

You love Black Messiah but I honestly dont see any 'Hits'

coming from the album and record companies dont like losing Money!

So.. Cherish this D album,It may be another 14 years before the world is blessed with

another collection of un commercial, somewhat funky, unintelligible, Jams.

KingSausage said:

Ego101 said:

^ Prince isnt worried about D'angelo...

***Im sure He could come up with & record 12 tunes of Black Messiah quality in 3 months if he wanted to.

Easily!

He hasn't done so since 1988. (The flip side of my statement is that D hasn't produced anything on the level of 1980-1988 Prince.)

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to the OP, i don't think he got an advanced copy, and if he did, it'd be a coaster like mine is by now. I pulled the two listenable tracks/quasi songs off this non-enunciated ext'd funky jam session. D's fans are 14 years hungry put this is a "bad snack" at best

right on!

datdude said:

to the OP, i don't think he got an advanced copy, and if he did, it'd be a coaster like mine is by now. I pulled the two listenable tracks/quasi songs off this non-enunciated ext'd funky jam session. D's fans are 14 years hungry put this is a "bad snack" at best

Graycap23 said:

KingSausage said:

I wish new Prince albums sounded like a bunch of songs from Black Messiah.

Why?

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i can't answer for kingsausage, but i also wish prince albums sounded like black messiah, so i'll give you my reasons...

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The production on any new Prince album is terrible. I would love it if Prince wrote songs with the same sounds that D'Angelo was working with, and had them mixed by people who did Black Messiah, because that album sounds waay better (in my opinion). And even if you don't like the aesthetic of Black Messiah, at least we'd get a prince album that has a very distinct sound. It's cool that Parade, Lovesexy, The Rainbow Children, etc don't really sound like anything else in Prince's catalog. If AOA sounded like Black Messiah, regardless of whether or not I liked it, it would stick out in my mind as being the album with that sound. It's a more solid artistic statement.

fusk said:

KingSausage said:

datdude said:

fusk said:

Graycap23 said:

Why?

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i can't answer for kingsausage, but i also wish prince albums sounded like black messiah, so i'll give you my reasons...

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The production on any new Prince album is terrible. I would love it if Prince wrote songs with the same sounds that D'Angelo was working with, and had them mixed by people who did Black Messiah, because that album sounds waay better (in my opinion). And even if you don't like the aesthetic of Black Messiah, at least we'd get a prince album that has a very distinct sound. It's cool that Parade, Lovesexy, The Rainbow Children, etc don't really sound like anything else in Prince's catalog. If AOA sounded like Black Messiah, regardless of whether or not I liked it, it would stick out in my mind as being the album with that sound. It's a more solid artistic statement.

I don't even know how 2 respond 2 this. "That sound"? wth does that mean?

In today's market, BM is going 2 lose money. Can u imagine what it actually COST 2 make this project from start 2 finish?

The real difference between D and Prince these days? D, regardless of how much time it took, cared about his music, production, sound and lyrics. Prince puts his effort in one of those aspects if we are lucky, not 2 mention, that D worked with several artist..........Prince worked with a handful or less. It is comparing apples 2 oranges.

Just my 2 cents.

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Ego101 said:

^ Prince isnt worried about D'angelo...

***Im sure He could come up with & record 12 tunes of Black Messiah quality in 3 months if he wanted to.

Easily!

Of course! And he just doesn't want to because making half-baked and bland plastic records for 15 years is much more his style?

Every time someone says "Prince could but he doesn't want to!" I laugh. Prince desperately wants to. He can't. And he even pulls in The Help nowadays! He didn't even write most of the best material off his new records.

Graycap23 said:

fusk said:

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i can't answer for kingsausage, but i also wish prince albums sounded like black messiah, so i'll give you my reasons...

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The production on any new Prince album is terrible. I would love it if Prince wrote songs with the same sounds that D'Angelo was working with, and had them mixed by people who did Black Messiah, because that album sounds waay better (in my opinion). And even if you don't like the aesthetic of Black Messiah, at least we'd get a prince album that has a very distinct sound. It's cool that Parade, Lovesexy, The Rainbow Children, etc don't really sound like anything else in Prince's catalog. If AOA sounded like Black Messiah, regardless of whether or not I liked it, it would stick out in my mind as being the album with that sound. It's a more solid artistic statement.

I don't even know how 2 respond 2 this. "That sound"? wth does that mean?

In today's market, BM is going 2 lose money. Can u imagine what it actually COST 2 make this project from start 2 finish?

The real dife]ference between D and Prince these days? D, regardless of how much time it took, cared about his music, production, sound and lyrics. Prince puts his effort in one of those aspects if we are lucky, not 2 mention, that D worked with several artist..........Prince worked with a handful or less. It is comparing apples 2 oranges.

Just my 2 cents.

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Yep, I agree and I think you're hitting closer to the point than I am. It's not that I want Prince to sound like D'Angelo, it's that I want him to care as much as D'Angelo does. Or maybe 'care' is not the right word, because maybe Prince cares a lot about the music he makes, but just doesn't pay attention to the same things D'Angelo does.

Why are people comparing D'angelo to Prince? It's like people are determined to make these two musicians adversaries. D'angelo is a great musician but people are really swinging from his nuts hard if people think D "outprinced" Prince. More than 3 decades of albums with varied musicality spanning disco, new wave, pop, rock and jazz, essentially with a handful of collaborators as opposed to top grade studio musicians and producers. Prince has legacy and place in music history etched in stone, D is just now beginning to do that. Bottom line, Prince's departure from social media is nothing more than: returning to isolation from fans and media.

vainandy said:

murph said:

Nah....Black Messiah is far removed from those tired "neo soul" tags...The funk is strong on this one....

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I went to youtube last night and listened to several tracks from the album just to see what all the fuss was about. If there was a funk track on the album, I most have overlooked it. What I heard was a snoozefest of slow to midtempo that sounded like something a bunch of stuffy folks would sit around a lounge and listen to while sipping wine and trying to act all "cultured" while simply bobbing their heads.

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I didn't hear one single song that had a feel of folks coming down the Soul Train line and shaking the hell out of some asses while everyone hollers....."Aww hell yeah. You better work bitch! Work! Work! Work dammitt!"....Now, something that's got a feel like that is some funky shit. Some uptempo, get down, party, and shake ass till you drop type stuff, not some smooth lounge lizzards sitting around trying to be all saddity. Hell, that dull stuff wore the buzz off my drunk ass.

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I can see why many feel the same way you do .

I love this cd to death. Each song is non-conventional in song structure and tempo. To me I enjoy the journey of the songs. Its very rare that I enjoy that type experience because like you I want to dance and sing the lyrics and chorus and have a great time, but somehow D'Angelo nails it and sucked me in. Its hard to explain as long as i have my share of dance music from other cds I dont mind throwing this one in the mix to change it up a bit, especially since the musicianship and melodies are tight.

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bashraka said:

Why are people comparing D'angelo to Prince? It's like people are determined to make these two musicians adversaries. D'angelo is a great musician but people are really swinging from his nuts hard if people think D "outprinced" Prince. More than 3 decades of albums with varied musicality spanning disco, new wave, pop, rock and jazz, essentially with a handful of collaborators as opposed to top grade studio musicians and producers. Prince has legacy and place in music history etched in stone, D is just now beginning to do that. Bottom line, Prince's departure from social media is nothing more than: returning to isolation from fans and media.

BECAUSE MANY OF HIS TRACKS SOUND A LOT LIKE PRINCE.

Geez.

I personally dont care much for Black Messiah or AOA!

DiscoBallz said:

Ego101 said:

^ Prince isnt worried about D'angelo...

***Im sure He could come up with & record 12 tunes of Black Messiah quality in 3 months if he wanted to.

Easily!

Of course! And he just doesn't want to because making half-baked and bland plastic records for 15 years is much more his style?

Every time someone says "Prince could but he doesn't want to!" I laugh. Prince desperately wants to. He can't. And he even pulls in The Help nowadays! He didn't even write most of the best material off his new records.

IMO

95% of commercial music sounds shitty Today!

I blame lazy engineers & musicians & the biggest culprit?

KingSausage said:

Sometimes I wonder if it isn't so much that Prince doesn't care, but rather that he simply doesn't have an ear for good "sound" anymore. He is talented as fuck and can write good songs. But a lot of his music just sounds cheap and shitty.

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