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Reply #30 posted 07/29/14 1:17am

SmearMrTroof

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CharismaDove said:

... He also gave his dad writing credits on "The Ladder" and "Scandalous" (how it's possible to write a sex song with your dad, I don't know lol )

Scandalous, I think he - Prince's father - contributed in the music of this song. It is such an enormous heavy bunddle of chords.

What do you mean it's not in the computer?

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Reply #31 posted 07/29/14 1:34am

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SmearMrTroof said:




CharismaDove said:


... He also gave his dad writing credits on "The Ladder" and "Scandalous" (how it's possible to write a sex song with your dad, I don't know lol )





Scandalous, I think he - Prince's father - contributed in the music of this song. It is such an enormous heavy bunddle of chords.





It's commonly believed (by those who were around at the time) that Prince's dad did not contribute any musical input to these songs. Neither, it is asserted, did he contribute to "Christopher Tracy's Parade" nor "Around the World in a Day" - two other pieces for which he is co-credited. The longheld belief is that Prince credited John as means to generate automatic recurrent income for him.

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Reply #32 posted 07/29/14 1:39am

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kenkamken said:

Are there any recordings of his father's music? I'd like to hear what John's music was like, and of his mother's singing.

I'm not sure if his father did actually record music that he made in the past. The things we know of, where Prince credits his father, are a few.

On a certain disc like medium, tittled The Inner Sanctum - An Egyptian Connection, there are at least 4 tracks called John L. Nelson tracks:

15. YES AGAIN 4:33

16. THERE'D BE NO WAY FOR YOU AND I 5:42

17. AS I RECALL 3:15

18. FALLIN' DOWN 5:48

These are sort of funk repetitional tunes, hardly any bridges, with a couple of fusion-like piano chords, those maybe original recordings sampled from his father (a bit like Easy Mo Bee used the samples of Miles Davis), I don't think anyone played these from sheet music. It sound very original and sincere.

Thick funk bass slapping and much use of sequencing. The last song, FALLING DOWN, features a synthesizer tune that always remind me of that George Clinton chant. Anyway.

What do you mean it's not in the computer?

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Reply #33 posted 07/29/14 1:45am

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SmearMrTroof said:

kenkamken said:

Are there any recordings of his father's music? I'd like to hear what John's music was like, and of his mother's singing.

I'm not sure if his father did actually record music that he made in the past. The things we know of, where Prince credits his father, are a few.

On a certain disc like medium, tittled The Inner Sanctum - An Egyptian Connection, there are at least 4 tracks called John L. Nelson tracks:

15. YES AGAIN 4:33

16. THERE'D BE NO WAY FOR YOU AND I 5:42

17. AS I RECALL 3:15

18. FALLIN' DOWN 5:48

These are sort of funk repetitional tunes, hardly any bridges, with a couple of fusion-like piano chords, those maybe original recordings sampled from his father (a bit like Easy Mo Bee used the samples of Miles Davis), I don't think anyone played these from sheet music. It sound very original and sincere.

Thick funk bass slapping and much use of sequencing. The last song, FALLING DOWN, features a synthesizer tune that always remind me of that George Clinton chant. Anyway.

I know an elph who knows an elph who knows an elph, who just told me that there's another compilation called Platinum, an Excelent 77:53 minutes Studio Outtakes collection, that features the same 4 tracks by John L. Nelson, only the second song is spelled differently:

JOHN L. NELSON TRACKS
18. Yes Again

19. There'll Be No Way For You And I

20. As I Recall

21. Fallin' Down

Will of Would, tiny difference. Who does the writer refers to?

Who's the fool singing 'Will' it's 'Would'?

What do you mean it's not in the computer?

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Reply #34 posted 07/29/14 4:08am

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Well this thread is reliving its self.

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Reply #35 posted 07/29/14 4:12am

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hopefularranger said:


It's commonly believed (by those who were around at the time) that Prince's dad did not contribute any musical input to these songs. Neither, it is asserted, did he contribute to "Christopher Tracy's Parade" nor "Around the World in a Day" - two other pieces for which he is co-credited. The longheld belief is that Prince credited John as means to generate automatic recurrent income for him.

This sounds right.

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Reply #36 posted 07/29/14 5:51am

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I agree with Aerogram in that Papa is more likely to be loosely based on his stepfather Haywood Baker.
I have suspected that for some years now.
I remember Prince's cousin talking about how Haywood would find any excuse to punish him & that P would constantly be grounded/not aloud to leave the house.
Also something about him doing that to spite P when he had band practice etc to go to.
There's been bits & pieces over the years that make me think he beat P too, esp the lyric in Sacrifice of Victor.
"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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Reply #37 posted 07/29/14 6:02am

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I think Prince's Mum & Dad both loved him and Prince loved them too. I think things happened when he was young and they could never go back and change any of it.
The things that happened when he was growing up effected him deeply & his relationship with each parent.
Like most families there's much the outside world doesn't know so I don't like to speculate or talk ill of his parents who have passed on now.
My heart will always go out to him over the fact that his dad passed & then his mum passed six months later.
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"We just let people talk & say whatever they want 2 say. 9 times out of 10, trust me, what's out there now, I wouldn't give nary one of these folks the time of day. That's why I don't say anything back, because there's so much that's wrong" - P, Dec '15
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Reply #38 posted 07/29/14 8:56am

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NinaB said:

I agree with Aerogram in that Papa is more likely to be loosely based on his stepfather Haywood Baker.
I have suspected that for some years now.
I remember Prince's cousin talking about how Haywood would find any excuse to punish him & that P would constantly be grounded/not aloud to leave the house.
Also something about him doing that to spite P when he had band practice etc to go to.
There's been bits & pieces over the years that make me think he beat P too, esp the lyric in Sacrifice of Victor.

This also makes me believe his stepdad threatened to spank him as well. Even in P's lyrics, Dont abuse children of else they will turn out like me, or the lyrics to Sacrifice of Victor and even Papa is a second witness. His mom and stepdad also didnt want him going into the music industry like his dad so that put a serious strain on both relationships with his mom and stepdad.
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Reply #39 posted 07/29/14 11:52am

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Aerogram said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

How can u just leave me standing?
Alone in a world that's so cold? (So cold)
Maybe I'm just 2 demanding
Maybe I'm just like my father 2 bold
Maybe you're just like my mother
She's never satisfied (She's never satisfied)
Why do we scream at each other
This is what it sounds like
When doves cry

At least one author thinks WDC is written with his mother subliminally in mind.

If that were the case (and I don't know if it is), I'd say it has a lot to do with how black women take a disproportionate responsibility compared to black men. A black man straying and leaving? Oldest tale in America, but for his mother to remarry to a man he did not like -- Prince may have expected his father to be a certain way, but my theory is that he resented his mother more because she remarried to a guy he could not stand in any way -- and he so identified with his father. There are two standards here, and John L. got the best, Mattie got the worst.

I don't thank divorce situation are unique to any particular race. Women in general take more responsibility (or are given more) when a couple divorces -the woman usually get's the kids.

But I agree he probably had issues with his mother for the man she remarried.

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Reply #40 posted 07/29/14 12:01pm

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Vannormal said:


guitar credited to gemini but this it's prince playing
songs:




It's not Prince. He had nothing to do with this project and took no part in the sessions.



Whoops !
I found this information here on the org...
I didnt know Prince didn't have anything to do with it.
Thanks.
Strange though i have these songs on the aforementioned bootleg...
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves. And wiser people so full of doubts" (Bertrand Russell 1872-1972)
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Reply #41 posted 07/29/14 12:51pm

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Vannormal said:

hopefularranger said:


It's not Prince. He had nothing to do with this project and took no part in the sessions.

Whoops ! I found this information here on the org... I didnt know Prince didn't have anything to do with it. Thanks. Strange though i have these songs on the aforementioned bootleg...


It would seem the "Gemini" credit was used purposefully to draw Prince fans' attentions to the project and give it some "sales legs". From what we later learned, Prince, his dad and step sis were on this outs at the point in time this project was put together.

[Edited 7/29/14 12:51pm]

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Reply #42 posted 07/30/14 7:37am

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I always thought he had some sort of problem with his dad because in Purple Rain and in Graffiti Bridge the dad was always portrayed as making music "nobody wants to hear" while Prince was always "doing okay" I can't remember the line but obviously in PR when Billy and Morris are talking about how the kid is going to turn out like his old man Francis L, "playing a lot of shit nobody wants to hear" and then in Graffiti Bridge when P is writing his dad a letter and, I can't remember exactly what he says but something like, "So what if nobody wanted to hear your music, I'm doing okay with mine, we coulda made it" and then also, the mother was "in the nuthouse" -------- It all seemed sort of passive aggressive towards his mother and father, like, they got problems, he's fantastic. He obviously had a very competitive streak with his father even though he was clearly more successful than his father. I also have always thought that he took up with Larry Graham so intensely because he needed a father figure and just latched on to the whole JW thing because Larry acted like a father figure to him and P just swallowed up whatever Larry had to say.
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