luvsexy4all said:

I don't get this. He had the right of veto on the use of his material already. It's more likley that a third party publishing company would push for his work to be used as they are generally paid on commission.

An artist is more likely to be restrictive.

Is this simply Prince claiming control for a few cents more per play or commission? Thats fine, but it needs to be managed. I can see some poor gulible purple employee being sued in years to come, with Prince claiming he is owed millions in unpaid royalties due to publishing mis-management.

That said, someone has got very good at photoshop.

2freaky4church1 said:

Does this include the outtakes?

It includes any "Masterpiece" that Prince decides to publish through his multi million dollar

NPG Music Publishing Company...

The great thing is going to be sitting back and watching as Prince figures out a way to basically sue himself once NPGMP inevitably "screws him over" somehow.

Something about this doesn't seem like a good idea.

3rdeyeboy said:

here's whats strange.....he controls all this ...but bootlegs are being sold in the God knows how many....isnt THAT lost revenue?

Best of luck to him, but no one can do it more cost effective than the big boys. They are able to spread costs around the many artists they administer. I can't believe Prince would want the headache and in all likelihood earn far less in the long run.

friend2001 said:

kewlschool said:

It would be in the top 10 if not the number one spot on the top 100 billboard chart.

Purple Rain through out the last 29 years has sold on average of 100, 000 (minimum)

copies a year world wide.

Then why in the world dont artists who dont have the success and money they once had just re-record their old albums and release them? i disagree wholeheartedly that it would sell well.

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That does happen, but please know that re-recording your past catalogue is often contractually prohibite, mostly because some artists did do that in the past. IIRC Roy Orbison has done this, for instance.

In recent times Squeeze re-recorded their back catalogue because their former label wasn't doing anything with it (but wouldn't sell it back to them), whilst the band got plenty of requests for the songs to be used in adverts etc. Suzanne Vega also-re-recorded a bunch of her old songs recently.

Giovanni777 said:

errant said:

Ummmm.... Prince licensed his songs.... to himself? WTF does this even mean? And how is it news?

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It means a LOT of money. Most (if not all) of his WB stuff is ASCAP. If he's getting publishing rights to the WB catalog, that's worth millions. Publishing rights are about getting paid every time a song (or portion) is used ANYWHERE.

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Dude, ASCAP *collects* all that money. If P would try to handle that job he'd be poor.

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Sheesh, is googling a bit so hard? Why do people insist on venting opinions about topics they clearly know ZILCH about?

samt said:

I think this is a positive step for Prince, first and foremost he seems to have gained full control over his back catalogue which I think is a massive step forward for any artist let alone an African American artist, who for many years have been used and abused by the record industry.

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Yet another person mistaking his unfounded fantasies for facts.

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P does NOT have control over his back catalogue. WB ain't gonna give that up without a fight, simple as that.

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Oh, and plenty of those who abused AA artists were/are African-American themselves.

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And FYI: owning all aspects of your recordings is not trailblazing. Bands like Fugazi have done so since the 1980s.

eugny1 said:

The "commercial use" thing is kind of a bummer. I've loved pointing out to folks that whatever Prince may be, he's no sellout (unlike a certain other Pepsi-shilling now deceased pop star I can mention).

I've pointed out that long ago, P could have made millions selling Kiss to Revlon, or You Got The Look to Maybelline, or Let's Go Crazy to Six Flags, but no, the songs and his integrity were far too important to him.

Um, so much for that?

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Yes, let's ignore that P has REPEATEDLY sold his music for commercials. I mean, why bother with FACTS when you can just make shit up. Forgot about LRC? Forgot about Tina Turner's "Baby I'm A Star" cover being used in a Target ad?

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Oh, and when P does exclusive deals with retailers, that isn't selling out?

Se7en said:

First and foremost, this has nothing to do with remasters or the upcoming release of Plectrum Electrum.

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This is a notice that his music will be available for purchase to be used in films, commercials, video games and most likely the inevitable hip-hop sampling.

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This is going to be a huge cash cow for Prince, since his music has largely been "off limits" for this kinda of usage.

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BS. The ONLY person who decided about that is P. This now being handled by NPG MP has got ZILCH to do with that. Both Warner-Chappell and Universal simply followed P's orders, they weren't the ones to decide to license his music or not, that was ALWAYS P's decision.

RodeoSchro said:

You are correct. Bart has a personal gripe with Prince,

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No, that's your PROJECTION. Stick to the facts, don't make shit up.

laurarichardson said:

errant said:

he already had those publishing rights. and licensed them to Universal.

now he's ... licensing them to himself. we've seen how Prince's forays into business have gone before. this is the next fiasco.

How he will be getting all of the money instead of portion.

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Deluded much? The reason companies take a part of that money is because they've got OVERHEAD. But far less overhead than some rinky-dink company P will run.

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Unless he applies the NPG Records approach, and this company ends up being Levi in an office in PP with zilch budget.

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If he starts licensing music like crazy he will make millions.

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Both Warner-Chappell and Universal are industry leaders on that front; nothing stopped P from doing so before. The ONLY problem was P, and we already know that his music is barely used in Late Night shows because P demands absurd amounts of money AND NOBODY IS WILLING TO PAY THOSE. P can demand millions, doesn't mean anyone is going to pay that.

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I honestly think that it bother you and a lot of others to see this guy on top of his business game.

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Oh yes, please inform us again of his massive successes. Ignore that his latest album wasn't even released worldwide, or that he bitched for years because the likes of iTunes won't pay him the milliuons he feels he deserves. Ignore that anything he's released in the past 15+ years is utterly ignored by everyone and their dog, that none of those songs get covered or used in soundtracks etc. and that P himself can't be arsed to perform most/all of it in concert. Ignore that he's been peddling his 3EG crap to record companies for over a year and that there's still no release date.

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"Top of his business game". Laughable. I can come up with plenty of ideas that would be so lucrative Prince wouldn't need to tour anymore and perform his sad greatest hits sets night after night.

naffi said:

NPG Music Publishing was founded by Artists for Artists. The team will be led by some of the best talent in the industry.

Wonder who will actually be doing it, Julia now that Donna's husband seems to be the manager? Robbajobba said:

So what happened to Controversy Music? I thought that was his personal publishing company?

Good question, nothing has really been said about Controversy Music, perhaps it is being kept for those songs that Prince does not want commercialised?

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Oh for crying out loud, Controversy Music is just his personal company and is likely nothing more than a bunch of notarized papers and a bank account. Why not ask about Ecnirp Music or the likes? P has used dozens of vanity firms over the years, in the end they all license the songs to major companies.

Superconductor said:

I don't get the significance.

Doesn't this just mean that the Kobalt deal is dead

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Oh for crying out loud, why is it so bloody difficult to READ? One is a RECORDING deal, the other's a MUSIC PUBLISHING deal. Look, different words. Wonder what they mean? Google is your friend!

Se7en said:

I believe that his mindset has changed recently, in that he finally realizes (or desires) how much money licensing his songs can bring in - and that now he will receive most of the money instead of WB/Universal getting their cut.

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I love how P fans think that companies just take part of that money because they're mean and evil, not because THEY HAVE GOT ACTUAL COSTS. Costs which BTW are much higher when you handle those things yourself.

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Also, such firms have address books and relationships. I'm a programmer, and I get placed at companies via agencies. Sure, I could perhaps do that myself instead of giving up a piece of my paycheck to them, but guess what -- that takes time and effort and a well-filled address book, and it's far better for me to have someone else deal with all that.

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I bet this is P looking at how he handled the New Girl deal and thinking "see that was easy", utterly ignoring that there was probably a lot of effort and time involved that he wasn't aware of. And as per usual, P's acolytes don't speak up and hope this latest brain fart will just disappear down the drain once it becomes clear this is a huge money loss and there's a trail of unpaid bills and the one non-P artist that signed with them is badmouthing them in the press.

3rdeyeboy said:

I don't get this. He had the right of veto on the use of his material already. It's more likley that a third party publishing company would push for his work to be used as they are generally paid on commission.

An artist is more likely to be restrictive.

Is this simply Prince claiming control for a few cents more per play or commission? Thats fine, but it needs to be managed. I can see some poor gulible purple employee being sued in years to come, with Prince claiming he is owed millions in unpaid royalties due to publishing mis-management.

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Exactly. This is a disaster waiting to happen.

BartVanHemelen said:

BartVanHemelen said:

RodeoSchro said:

You are correct. Bart has a personal gripe with Prince,

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No, that's your PROJECTION. Stick to the facts, don't make shit up.

Then I am very happy you have finally forgiven Prince for shutting down your website.

BartVanHemelen said:

BobGeorge909 said:

BartVanHemelen said:

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Exactly. This is a disaster waiting to happen.

So with some input from you...I gather that something very specialized is going to be handled by prince? The press anncmnt intimates that a group of people will be running it and not just prince or is this just some malarkey. If it is a group of people what kind of people/kind of background typically run publishing firms?...attys?, bookkeepers? I hope p doesn't pull a 'ask the hairdresser to direct a concert movie' bit. Also...does this 'commitment' to change seem genuine or passè. I'm referring to the commercials, video games, and sdtks. This seems to be the biggest change and something Prince was sometime very against. Like rock band approaching him for a deal but turning it down for some uppity type reason. Those r the go to games for music deals or maybe he still isn't welcoming of that and is just looking in for plain video game sdtks? And yes...p music's been in like three whole commercials..not counting the self marketing target stuff. VW with Housequake. A little red corvette commercial...no? I presume...with no facts to back it up....that MANY more offers come P's way but he turns them down seemingly, according to passing mentions by him, on some kind of general principal and he doesn't seem to have given such deals much thought in the past. Anyways...the press release seems intent on the idea of allowing things now that prince was generally against in the past. A 'change of culture' seems to be the intent. The 'handing the reigns over' bit also alludes to people who aren't prince having a large, but probably not ultimate, say-so in licensing deals. He seems in the past to generally not be OK with renting out his kids despite numerous offers he mentions...but now, it seems he's OK with renting his kids out, but since they're his kids, people with some objectivity might need to have a large hand in it. In don't understand why the presumption is that this will fail, or how it can fail. If sarcasm is coming across, it unintentional as these r genuine question to someone who appearsb to have at least a small handle of the answers. Regardless...I'm prepared for a smartass response but I hope it can be avoided.

This is just my take, but it seems Prince has noticed how much things have changed in the industry and with his own position within it as an artist, so it looks like things he'd previously not given time and energy he now has the time and energy to invest in it. Its not like he's recording and putting out new music like he was in the 90-00's. He seems to be slowing down. So I think any reference to his past lackadaisical attitude towards his "businesses" is a bit presumptuous. He's not that same man anymore and I'm sure he's learned a lot from what he did wrong in previous eras or with opportunities he previously passed up. And Im also sure he's noticed how many of his peers have capitalized on business opportunities in ways in which he could have but didn't. But anyway, I dont think its meaningful to speculate how it will do. You gotta take risks to reap rewards. And better to try and fail than never do anything and just coast or fade away into music oblivion.

purplethunder3121 said:

They DO write songs about vulvas, apparently.

so if chevy wants to use LRC for their latest model...he WILL be willing?

luvsexy4all said:

BobGeorge909 said:

luvsexy4all said:

so if chevy wants to use LRC for their latest model...he WILL be willing?

I unno...but seemingly, others that have some say at not music publishing will probably be willing. Records/albums/CD's just aren't selling anywhere close to what they had been in the past. Any person that's NOT in the business of becoming a pauper needs to utilize other methods of generating revenue with that music or your income will steadily decline. Even radio publishing royalties r shrinking cuz fewer and fear people listen to radio and radio is generating less cuz advertisers r paying less due to shrinking audiences.

im thinking he wants to put it out there and see who bites..and then pick and choose who he feels is suitable

So, instead of Universal controlling the publishing rights and doing nothing, it'll be Prince controlling them (and doing nothing) but, in an incompetent manner??

rap said:

So, instead of Universal controlling the publishing rights and doing nothing, it'll be Prince controlling them (and doing nothing) but, in an incompetent manner??

Stop with this insulting Prince's business sense! Its getting old & uncalled for. STOP IT!!!!

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

rap said:

So, instead of Universal controlling the publishing rights and doing nothing, it'll be Prince controlling them (and doing nothing) but, in an incompetent manner??

Stop with this insulting Prince's business sense! Its getting old & uncalled for. STOP IT!!!!

Maybe you should learn to to accept other people's opinions.

And and isn't it ironic that you have that "rude boy"-sticker as an avatar? I think it is.