philmoreliz said:

OzlemUcucu said:

I actually saved this article now, cause I found the article very daring, inspring, creative and honest, and on an on. Furhermore, I am gonna check some more writings by Hilton. I am gonna make a presumption now, but many many gay black man over 50 will understand what Hilton is talking about Prince. He is just describing what every other gay black man at Prince age group felt.

Many people on the org don't fit into that catagory, so it's understandable they don't understand what Hilton is talking about. However to label somebody's creative "memoir" as a piece of bullshit writing is laughable. I don't know what drugs people are on when they critise.

Take your medications!

He usually writes theater reviews in the NYer. I am guessing they passed on this one and Harper's took it. Harper's likes the ledge or edge more. I liked Hilton's perspective, the date, the pie, the description of JF as the opening.

I already checked his biography and site. Yes, he has written other stuff on similar subculture topics too. I like Hilton, he looks like some bad ass (reread what he's saying about what ass used to be mean in the context of his writing). I loved that quote!!!

SometimesIwonder said:

Genesia said:

Sure. He said,

^^^ Oh my, I really tried to read this, I really did. But in all seriousness, what on earth was that all about? I understood parts of it but the rest either went right over my head or it was just a big pile of steaming horse manure? I haven't a clue what the writer was on about apart from meeting Prince backstage. What happened after that? That there is some weird stuff. [Edited 12/4/12 14:28pm]

Fanboy stuff... that's it.

OzlemUcucu said:

philmoreliz said:

He usually writes theater reviews in the NYer. I am guessing they passed on this one and Harper's took it. Harper's likes the ledge or edge more. I liked Hilton's perspective, the date, the pie, the description of JF as the opening.

I already checked his biography and site. Yes, he has written other stuff on similar subculture topics too. I like Hilton, he looks like some bad ass (reread what he's saying about what ass used to be mean in the context of his writing). I loved that quote!!!

He has created CONTROVERSY. Got under people's skin.

Hmm... he writes like vainandy.

philmoreliz said:

OzlemUcucu said:

I already checked his biography and site. Yes, he has written other stuff on similar subculture topics too. I like Hilton, he looks like some bad ass (reread what he's saying about what ass used to be mean in the context of his writing). I loved that quote!!!

He has created CONTROVERSY. Got under people's skin.

Ok, have you read any other of his stuff? I wanna check, any reccommendations? I like his writing, and I'd love to read excerpts on gay black subculture from his age group.

He ain't create no controversy, just talk. Interesting talk nonetheless. He just loves him some Prince. I don't find a problem with that.

OzlemUcucu said:

philmoreliz said:

He has created CONTROVERSY. Got under people's skin.

Ok, have you read any other of his stuff? I wanna check, any reccommendations? I like his writing, and I'd love to read excerpts on gay black subculture from his age group.

Mostly, I have read his theater reviews. His Village Voice things should be worth a look. They have great writers and then the New Yorker snaps them up. I will get his book but have not yet. His was a name I saw a lot but I knew only the reviews.

Timmy84 said:

He ain't create no controversy, just talk. Interesting talk nonetheless. He just loves him some Prince. I don't find a problem with that.

It's not exactly what you say. You gotta re-read that few times, then come back and write what you read.

philmoreliz said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Ok, have you read any other of his stuff? I wanna check, any reccommendations? I like his writing, and I'd love to read excerpts on gay black subculture from his age group.

Mostly, I have read his theater reviews. His Village Voice things should be worth a look. They have great writers and then the New Yorker snaps them up. I will get his book but have not yet. His was a name I saw a lot but I knew only the reviews.

The reviews would not be good for me, cause I probably have not seen what he's talking about. I may get his book. He's got a very witty and good writing. In this article I loved this article and it was very inspring to me personally.

OzlemUcucu said:

philmoreliz said:

Mostly, I have read his theater reviews. His Village Voice things should be worth a look. They have great writers and then the New Yorker snaps them up. I will get his book but have not yet. His was a name I saw a lot but I knew only the reviews.

The reviews would not be good for me, cause I probably have not seen what he's talking about. I may get his book. He's got a very witty and good writing. In this article I loved this article and it was very inspring to me personally.

It looks as though he wrote about Eminem too. http://www.thenation.com/...ilton-als#

Many writers like to hear from peple who appreciate their work. Just saying.

OzlemUcucu said:

Genesia said:

OzlemUcucu said:

No, it is not sorry. Your professional opinion is only valid for you, unless you prove that you have the same biography as Hilton has. OR you have published your own Memoir on Prince with your OWN writing that we can compare.

Sorry Genesis I am not having a go at you, but many critism was just uncalled for.

For all the other that don't get it: This is black gay man writing on his own memoir about Prince, same age group as Prince and anything that used to be color & gay when way back then in his OWN Memoir.

[Edited 12/5/12 16:32pm]

After reading this post, I can see why you'd think he's a fine writer. Sheesh.

Yes, cause I am a gay black man 50+

Timmy84 said:

Hmm... he writes like vainandy.

Oh. My. DAMN!

Andy is gonna KILL you for comparing anything he's ever written to this artsy-fartsy nonsense...

babynoz said:

Timmy84 said:

Hmm... he writes like vainandy.

Oh. My. DAMN!

Andy is gonna KILL you for comparing anything he's ever written to this artsy-fartsy nonsense...

Well at least Andy cuts to the chase. This motherfucker gives you as much metaphors as Prince.

OzlemUcucu said:

Genesia said:

OzlemUcucu said: After reading this post, I can see why you'd think he's a fine writer. Sheesh.

Yes, cause I am a gay black man 50+

Pictures or I don't believe you...

OzlemUcucu said:

Genesia said:

OzlemUcucu said: After reading this post, I can see why you'd think he's a fine writer. Sheesh.

Yes, cause I am a gay black man 50+

Nice!

purplethunder3121 said:

I like the part where he writes that the New Power Generation has changed lineups routinely from the late 1970s. That's where I stopped reading.

Se7en said:

I like the part where he writes that the New Power Generation has changed lineups routinely from the late 1970s. That's where I stopped reading.

I noticed that and was like "wait, did he really say that?"

I take it back, vainandy wouldn't have written something stupid like that.

Harper's reacted to the discussion in this thread (after finding it googling at midnight):

http://harpers.org/blog/2...ntroversy/

As they wanted to "weigh in" "on the matter of conscious v. conscience in Prince’s 'I Would Die 4 U'".

To do so they link to "[t]he Artist's manuscript draft of “I Would Die 4 U,” explain how the lyric changed, and let you listen to a three seconds snippet of the song with the line in question.

Mentions — December 3, 2012, 4:05 pm

Controversy

On the matter of conscious v. conscience in Prince’s “I Would Die 4 U”

By Harper's Magazine

Definitive evidence?

We were pleased recently to find, in the course of our usually disconsolate midnight googlings, a discussion in the fan forums at Prince.org of Hilton Als’s memoir “I Am Your Conscious, I...Prince,” which appears in the current issue of the magazine.

Though the contributors to the thread seem mostly to support the idea of reading Als’s piece, a conclusion we applaud, there is one small point on which we would like to weigh in. A user calling herself Genesia writes:

Lord…get the lyrics right. It’s
I’m your conscience…I am love.

Later, she adds:

[I]f it’s a paean to Prince (as claimed), you’d have to think it was a quotation of the lyrics. I think [Als] just got it wrong.

Genesia, author of some 21,774 Prince.org posts, is partially correct. The Artist’s manuscript draft of “I Would Die 4 U,” the source song of the lyric in question, quite clearly renders the line as “I’m your conscience, I am love.” But at some point between Prince’s composition of the song and its appearance on Purple Rain, the lyric changed. The album’s liner notes — along with the perhaps slightly less authoritative adaptation for piano, voice, and guitar published by Hal Leonard — give the version Als quotes in his title, “I am your conscious, I am love.” Prince’s articulation of the line in the recording of “I Would Die 4 U,” far from resolving the Als–Genesia debate, begets only further confusion:

conscious v. conscience

It was decided in the final days of the December production cycle — after many hours spent discussing the Princely syllabication of the phrase “not cha body” and the degrees of skew necessary to make the pictographic title of the Love Symbol Album appear italicized (answer: 11) — that the idiosyncratic and uncontracted version of the lyric resonated best with Als’s essay, and that the liner notes could reasonably be treated as definitive. Perhaps can tell us whether we were mistaken — though there must, we imagine, be a private joy in allowing the question to linger.

© 2012 Harper’s Magazine.

[Edited 12/6/12 8:43am]

That's actually creepy they read the comments here... just saying...

I just posted this in the comments over there...

Genesia said:

I just posted this in the comments over there...

Liner notes? Manuscript draft? Good lord - just listen to the damn song! It's clear as day that he sings "conscience." THAT was the basis for my comment. (I had never seen the lyrics in Prince's hand.)

Yes, I am Genesia at prince.org

And yeah anyone would know he said "conscience", not "conscious". I can't believe they're even defending this.

Genesia said:

Peach pie...

Timmy84 said:

That's actually creepy they read the comments here... just saying...

I know...

Elle85n09 said:

naffi said: