OzlemUcucu said:

Graycap23 said:

I hope that u are right.

Seems that he has shut it down.

Don't know if you saw him at a gig last year, but he looked nothing like ova. If Prince will be ova, then he'll be ova on stage, just like that. Bang, and he's gone.

He said he needed a break, he said he was ill on that stupid radio show. He needs a little break!

I'm speaking on his releasing of records/CDs.

Graycap23 said:

OzlemUcucu said:

Don't know if you saw him at a gig last year, but he looked nothing like ova. If Prince will be ova, then he'll be ova on stage, just like that. Bang, and he's gone.

He said he needed a break, he said he was ill on that stupid radio show. He needs a little break!

I'm speaking on his releasing of records/CDs.

Yes, but you know it, you know he will eventually release new stuff. He has no other choice, and I don't think he can stop with it, even if he wanted. I don't think he feels too old to be retiring, and Prince knows there is always gonna be an audience for him.

We'd need to lower our expectations on the musical output, however! The few fiascos that people experienced last year weren't really great, something that was unknown in the Prince world, but they happened, and it'll continue, but that's what it is.....his stance is changing but so are the times...we'll still be here tho...

Graycap23 said:

There was a time when I was fully on board with the stuff that Prince does regarding his career. After all..........it is his journey. That said, I truly believe that Prince has been successful in killing or severly limiting what remains of his career from a record releasing standpoint. I won't rehash what we already know, but his current stance on the internet, youtube, distribution methods, and religion have all contributed 2 destroying (my opinion) what was a fantastic career.

I am sad 2 see this day come....................but it is here.

Agreed.. A younger me would have been jumping out of my skin at the news of the possible upcoming concert in St Paul. I would have already taken off time from work, booked a hotel etc. This time I'm not one bit interested. I've been asking myself why and it's really weird, cuz this time, I'm simply just not interested.

Graycap23 said:

There was a time when I was fully on board with the stuff that Prince does regarding his career. After all..........it is his journey. That said, I truly believe that Prince has been successful in killing or severly limiting what remains of his career from a record releasing standpoint. I won't rehash what we already know, but his current stance on the internet, youtube, distribution methods, and religion have all contributed 2 destroying (my opinion) what was a fantastic career.

I am sad 2 see this day come....................but it is here.

[Flame snip - luv4u]

sovembol said:

Graycap23 said:

There was a time when I was fully on board with the stuff that Prince does regarding his career. After all..........it is his journey. That said, I truly believe that Prince has been successful in killing or severly limiting what remains of his career from a record releasing standpoint. I won't rehash what we already know, but his current stance on the internet, youtube, distribution methods, and religion have all contributed 2 destroying (my opinion) what was a fantastic career.

I am sad 2 see this day come....................but it is here.

Agreed.. A younger me would have been jumping out of my skin at the news of the possible upcoming concert in St Paul. I would have already taken off time from work, booked a hotel etc. This time I'm not one bit interested. I've been asking myself why and it's really weird, cuz this time, I'm simply just not interested.

I agree with all of this. Sad to say but that's how I feel too. When I was younger , and he was really doing something great, I would have QUIT my job and spent my rent money to get good seats to a show but now.... I could care less. I have friends who feel this way too.

IstenSzek said:

he makes so much money off his tours these days that even the money he gets up front

if he chooses to make a deal with a newspaper (that was 5 million up front, no?) is gonna

be peanuts compared to the tour income.

so then why not, if you'r an artist and you write music every day and have tons and tons

of stuff in your vault, why then, would you not just set up a site and release it yourself?

digital formats with the option of buying a cd for some of the more 'major' releases you

put out.

that costs hardly anything to achieve if you have your own studio complex and your own

website. indie bands without a deal and without money do it all the time.

a multi millionaire like prince would not be able to do that very thing? please, come on.

he also knows that he has roughly 300,000 (if i make a very low estimate) of fans all round

the world who will buy whatever he releases and are eagerly awaiting new product. be it an

album of vault tracks, a new studio album or a live document.

if and when he releases an album he always breaks even, even in the current model. heck,

he probably makes a million or 2.

going to completely independent route through a website would generate even more cash

since there are no more 'gatekeepers' or whatever blabla prince likes to moan about.

so then why not?

as an artist, if you know that you still have the drive to record and to create, and you know

that you have at least a quarter of a million people worldwide who are interested to hear it,

or even totally psyched to hear it, why then would you stop releasing new music?

it makes no sense. it can't be about a few million bucks. as we all know, he makes so much

from touring that 2 or 3 million dollars from a new albums' sales is hardly worth that kind of

thought going into it.

so maybe he feels that his music is wasted now that there aren't millions of people out there

who want to hear it? once again, there are enough people out there, not millions, no and not

even 1 million anymore i'd guess. but so what. 250,000 people is enough, right? jeez.

assuming that isn't the reason either, than what else could be the reason?

maybe he's just taking his time, planning his remasters, going through the vault, getting his

shit together to finally spend enough time and effort on his back catalogue and give it the

treatment it deserves.

in a world where obscure 80s 1 hit wonders are re-issuing albums with bonus tracks, it is a

crime that there are still no prince extended remasters. an absolute crime.

so before i just throw my hands up and go 'oh fuck it, i give up', i'm just gonna hold on a bit

longer and kind of keep telling myself that prince will come through one day and finally just

release those remastered/extended albums, finally set up that website where he will put up

all his music, every album, every protege album, every single, remix, non album and single

track etc. a solid base, built on the foundation of his WB prime material, all the way through

his indi releases and his co-op albums.

because at the end of the day, that's what almost all of us want, isn't it? a new album right

now is gonna be nice, but it will be only something of a comforting diversion.

you don't keep adding extensions to your house when the foundation is slowly starting to

fall apart of when your basement is leaky and full of water.

fix everything, preserve it, catalogue it and make it available. then add to that whatever you

feel you want to and whenever you want to.

it's the only way he'll demand the attention once again that his carreer deserves.

releasing albums that are out of print the minute today's newspaper is sold out, is not the

way to build a legacy.

It's a matter of PRINCiple.

You are right in almost every respect, except that.

lauralevesque said:

sovembol said:

Agreed.. A younger me would have been jumping out of my skin at the news of the possible upcoming concert in St Paul. I would have already taken off time from work, booked a hotel etc. This time I'm not one bit interested. I've been asking myself why and it's really weird, cuz this time, I'm simply just not interested.

I agree with all of this. Sad to say but that's how I feel too. When I was younger , and he was really doing something great, I would have QUIT my job and spent my rent money to get good seats to a show but now.... I could care less. I have friends who feel this way too.

I would argue that is only sane and reasonable, thus good.

Tremolina said:

IstenSzek said:

he makes so much money off his tours these days that even the money he gets up front

if he chooses to make a deal with a newspaper (that was 5 million up front, no?) is gonna

be peanuts compared to the tour income.

so then why not, if you'r an artist and you write music every day and have tons and tons

of stuff in your vault, why then, would you not just set up a site and release it yourself?

digital formats with the option of buying a cd for some of the more 'major' releases you

put out.

that costs hardly anything to achieve if you have your own studio complex and your own

website. indie bands without a deal and without money do it all the time.

a multi millionaire like prince would not be able to do that very thing? please, come on.

he also knows that he has roughly 300,000 (if i make a very low estimate) of fans all round

the world who will buy whatever he releases and are eagerly awaiting new product. be it an

album of vault tracks, a new studio album or a live document.

if and when he releases an album he always breaks even, even in the current model. heck,

he probably makes a million or 2.

going to completely independent route through a website would generate even more cash

since there are no more 'gatekeepers' or whatever blabla prince likes to moan about.

so then why not?

as an artist, if you know that you still have the drive to record and to create, and you know

that you have at least a quarter of a million people worldwide who are interested to hear it,

or even totally psyched to hear it, why then would you stop releasing new music?

it makes no sense. it can't be about a few million bucks. as we all know, he makes so much

from touring that 2 or 3 million dollars from a new albums' sales is hardly worth that kind of

thought going into it.

so maybe he feels that his music is wasted now that there aren't millions of people out there

who want to hear it? once again, there are enough people out there, not millions, no and not

even 1 million anymore i'd guess. but so what. 250,000 people is enough, right? jeez.

assuming that isn't the reason either, than what else could be the reason?

maybe he's just taking his time, planning his remasters, going through the vault, getting his

shit together to finally spend enough time and effort on his back catalogue and give it the

treatment it deserves.

in a world where obscure 80s 1 hit wonders are re-issuing albums with bonus tracks, it is a

crime that there are still no prince extended remasters. an absolute crime.

so before i just throw my hands up and go 'oh fuck it, i give up', i'm just gonna hold on a bit

longer and kind of keep telling myself that prince will come through one day and finally just

release those remastered/extended albums, finally set up that website where he will put up

all his music, every album, every protege album, every single, remix, non album and single

track etc. a solid base, built on the foundation of his WB prime material, all the way through

his indi releases and his co-op albums.

because at the end of the day, that's what almost all of us want, isn't it? a new album right

now is gonna be nice, but it will be only something of a comforting diversion.

you don't keep adding extensions to your house when the foundation is slowly starting to

fall apart of when your basement is leaky and full of water.

fix everything, preserve it, catalogue it and make it available. then add to that whatever you

feel you want to and whenever you want to.

it's the only way he'll demand the attention once again that his carreer deserves.

releasing albums that are out of print the minute today's newspaper is sold out, is not the

way to build a legacy.

It's a matter of PRINCiple.

You are right in almost every respect, except that.

I should add that I also think it may not be as easy as we think to do all that

And also, that Prince certainly is not "ova".

An amusing but sensationalist claim. I wouldn't be surprised if that is what Prince really wants to hear first before he decides to release something major again.

Isn't Prince planning on releasing a new album next year? It seems like he's just working out the business side of the equation. Didn't he tell Arsenio Hall to save him a spot on the premier of his new show? That probably means new music by the fall of 2013.

I don't believe that Prince is "ova"

He has an odd habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory now and then, but the phenomenal talent and singular creativity is still there. I wasn't a big fan of 20ten but I certainly dug Lotusflower and I love the hell outta 3121.

I'm not particularly worried.

powersoul99 said:

Graycap23 said:

There was a time when I was fully on board with the stuff that Prince does regarding his career. After all..........it is his journey. That said, I truly believe that Prince has been successful in killing or severly limiting what remains of his career from a record releasing standpoint. I won't rehash what we already know, but his current stance on the internet, youtube, distribution methods, and religion have all contributed 2 destroying (my opinion) what was a fantastic career.

I am sad 2 see this day come....................but it is here.

[Flame snip - luv4u]

What did Richard do?

Prince is.......OVA

You sound like Elton John

sovembol said:

Graycap23 said:

There was a time when I was fully on board with the stuff that Prince does regarding his career. After all..........it is his journey. That said, I truly believe that Prince has been successful in killing or severly limiting what remains of his career from a record releasing standpoint. I won't rehash what we already know, but his current stance on the internet, youtube, distribution methods, and religion have all contributed 2 destroying (my opinion) what was a fantastic career.

I am sad 2 see this day come....................but it is here.

Agreed.. A younger me would have been jumping out of my skin at the news of the possible upcoming concert in St Paul. I would have already taken off time from work, booked a hotel etc. This time I'm not one bit interested. I've been asking myself why and it's really weird, cuz this time, I'm simply just not interested.

I'm less excited about a possible upcoming concert in St.Paul than I'd be normally, as I'm suspicious it would be more about showcasing Andy and her new CD than being a true "Prince concert", and I'm not interested in the slightest in Andy or her attempt at music.

As for those who've said perhaps Prince doesn't care so much anymore about success...well, I respect those opinions, but I must say that for a guy who doesn't care about success anymore, he sure continues to adopt tedious, silly gimmicks, glom onto superficial trends, and overuse ridiculous hype in order to 'promote' himself or his "protege artists". If he didn't care about success, why bother with all that? He cares.

I wish he'd stop diluting himself and drop the Brias and Andys et al, and just focus on his own music.

[Edited 8/28/12 20:26pm]

Not OVA...just slowed down and that's okay U know Prince has given us 30 yrs of his life, his talent has touched many and if and when he decides to call it quits no one should have any complaints.

nursev said:

Not OVA...just slowed down and that's okay U know Prince has given us 30 yrs of his life, his talent has touched many and if and when he decides to call it quits no one should have any complaints.

Exactly. We know he's not planning to quit anytime soon...but if and when he does, I have a life of my own and I no longer anticipate a new album or concert the way I did before my kids. I'll always love Prince and his music, but my little ones come first.

Long live the !

Giovanni777 said:

I must say that I was concerned about him releasing new material just months after '20ten' was released. When I aired my concern on this site, I was flamed for even having this concern, which was based on my feeling that he's essentially given up releasing new music, and may have difficulty in finding distribution if he did wish to release something.

But in the words of Teddy Riley... "The party ain't over"

As far as YouTube goes, I really don't care about that.

I actually applaud his stance on iTunes... I don't want mp3s, nor any digital file (even if it's WAV).

However, I still have this feeling that he may be working on his own distribution, which would be challenging and costly, but it could be done fairly easily if he has decided to give up on brick and mortar distribution... Set up a site and allow folks to order physical (and possibly digital) copies.

What do you want if even Wav, which is no different to CD, isn't good enough? I can't see an analogue only release doing very well.

Graycap23 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

I think Youtube/videos are a very good way of people discovering you, Some people won't hear until they see, and videos are a part of his musical career, so many that even I haven't seen

ok I get him not wanting people showing concert footage... I think it can only help him though

I'm just saying he has cut off avenues that could be better utilized.

I'm agreeing

all our threads like Prince is ova or where is new music show that we were used of getting an album a year or a big tour...this waiting is just too long for us, i think )

He will surely release something the next months...otherwise the world is flat

Sometimes reading this forum is a bit like being the main character in Groundhog Day...

Just because the OP spells over as "ova" doesn't mean you have to do it too.

babynoz said:

I don't believe that Prince is "ova"

He has an odd habit of snatching defeat from the jaws of victory now and then, but the phenomenal talent and singular creativity is still there. I wasn't a big fan of 20ten but I certainly dug Lotusflower and I love the hell outta 3121.

I'm not particularly worried.

If Prince retired from releasing records/cd............do u think he would say anything or just fade 2 black?

TheEnglishGent said:

Giovanni777 said:

I must say that I was concerned about him releasing new material just months after '20ten' was released. When I aired my concern on this site, I was flamed for even having this concern, which was based on my feeling that he's essentially given up releasing new music, and may have difficulty in finding distribution if he did wish to release something.

But in the words of Teddy Riley... "The party ain't over"

As far as YouTube goes, I really don't care about that.

I actually applaud his stance on iTunes... I don't want mp3s, nor any digital file (even if it's WAV).

However, I still have this feeling that he may be working on his own distribution, which would be challenging and costly, but it could be done fairly easily if he has decided to give up on brick and mortar distribution... Set up a site and allow folks to order physical (and possibly digital) copies.

What do you want if even Wav, which is no different to CD, isn't good enough? I can't see an analogue only release doing very well.

Good question and good point. I would be happy with a properly packaged CD, but I don't want WAV, because I neither want to burn a homemade CD, nor just play it on my computer.

TheDigitalGardener said:

Just because the OP spells over as "ova" doesn't mean you have to do it too.

2020 said:

Breaker, breaker come in good buddy Welcome 2 the Dawn Ova

databank said:

Sometimes reading this forum is a bit like being the main character in Groundhog Day...

so put your little hand in mine..get up everybnody..today we are going to talk about james brown and mj onstage at the same time with Pr..."

i think when Andy Allo cd comes out we'll get an idea what hes up to....shutter to think NO NEW MUSIC ANYMORE