Wall said:

Spinlight said:

You know damn well he isn't going to release it due to his fanatical religious beliefs.

Exactly.

I'm sure the only reason he sought it out was to destroy it. The director mentioned he's aware Prince is now embarrassed of his risque' past since becoming a JW.

Larry probably poured holy water over the tape, babbled some bigoted rhetoric from the good book, then they all jammed on some shitty Sly Stone medley while it burnt to ash.

You religion bashers never give it a fucking rest. Maybe the movie part of the project is shitty crap.

(kind of like Graffitt Bridge is crap). Anyway you can goggle and find plenty of "Controversey footage which P doing all sorts of rauchy shit if that floats your boat.

PoorLonelyComputer said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince doesn't get high he only tried X. Its one of the reasons he still looks decades younger...

U better stop with the name calling b 4 U get ------ again boo boo...

I used to be as delusional as you. Thank goodness I finally woke up.

Nothing delusional about not thinking that P was some raging coke head back in the day.

Just about anyone who ever worked for him will tell you he was against drugs however, he has admitted himself to being a drinker so the red eyes may have something to do with some beer drinking. I cannot be made to believe that a raging coke head would have been able to work at P's pace back in the day.

Wall said:

Spinlight said:

You know damn well he isn't going to release it due to his fanatical religious beliefs.

Exactly.

I'm sure the only reason he sought it out was to destroy it. The director mentioned he's aware Prince is now embarrassed of his risque' past since becoming a JW.

Larry probably poured holy water over the tape, babbled some bigoted rhetoric from the good book, then they all jammed on some shitty Sly Stone medley while it burnt to ash.

Which is very tragic. Sure he's changed, whatever. If it wasn't for that "risque" past he wouldn't be where he is now, and he seems pretty content. Hell, he doesn't have to embrace his past, he doesn't even have to openly acknowledge it for Christ's sake, but to act as if it never happened or that it was wrong, a shame, or anything of the like is an artistic crime.

Above anything else, his actions regarding his past are the most unsettling to me.

It seems promising that Prince actually paid to get the concert footage back. Would he have done that if he had no intention of ever using it for anything? We have bootleg video of other concerts from that tour, so it's not like we don't know what he was doing on stage.

electricberet said:

It seems promising that Prince actually paid to get the concert footage back. Would he have done that if he had no intention of ever using it for anything? We have bootleg video of other concerts from that tour, so it's not like we don't know what he was doing on stage.

I think its more likely he bought it to make sure there are no leaks. Its the only legal way he can prevent it from getting out. He probably got all the physical copies or film rolls/cans etc to put in the vault.

I am sure he wouldn't approve of these screen grabs getting out... Its a good ploy to make sure he coughs up for these films as well... My guess is he won't resurect the film but may in the future show snippets of it...

How cool would it be if it was made into a theatrical release....

funkylust said:

electricberet said:

It seems promising that Prince actually paid to get the concert footage back. Would he have done that if he had no intention of ever using it for anything? We have bootleg video of other concerts from that tour, so it's not like we don't know what he was doing on stage.

I think its more likely he bought it to make sure there are no leaks. Its the only legal way he can prevent it from getting out. He probably got all the physical copies or film rolls/cans etc to put in the vault.

I am sure he wouldn't approve of these screen grabs getting out... Its a good ploy to make sure he coughs up for these films as well... My guess is he won't resurect the film but may in the future show snippets of it...

How cool would it be if it was made into a theatrical release....

But, if I read the article correctly, he only paid for the concert footage, not the dramatic scenes in the stills featured here.

electricberet said:

But, if I read the article correctly, he only paid for the concert footage, not the dramatic scenes in the stills featured here.

Thats what I meant when I said its a good ploy to leak these screen grabs to motivate Prince to need or what to buy this footage as well. The guy said he has it, but cant legally use it but he has leaked screen grabs... My guess is Prince will want to prevent any risk of it getting out and he will buy this out as well..

SoulAlive said:

yeah,it's amazing how cheap the concert tickets were,back in the day!

That was 30 years ago...when $10.00 was worth more than it is today.

funkylust said:

electricberet said:

But, if I read the article correctly, he only paid for the concert footage, not the dramatic scenes in the stills featured here.

Thats what I meant when I said its a good ploy to leak these screen grabs to motivate Prince to need or what to buy this footage as well. The guy said he has it, but cant legally use it but he has leaked screen grabs... My guess is Prince will want to prevent any risk of it getting out and he will buy this out as well..

Yes good point. He did say he attempted to contact Prince on numerous occasions.

funkylust said:

electricberet said:

But, if I read the article correctly, he only paid for the concert footage, not the dramatic scenes in the stills featured here.

Thats what I meant when I said its a good ploy to leak these screen grabs to motivate Prince to need or what to buy this footage as well. The guy said he has it, but cant legally use it but he has leaked screen grabs... My guess is Prince will want to prevent any risk of it getting out and he will buy this out as well..

Ah, I see. I agree that, if any of the footage sees the light of day, it's likely to be some snippets edited into a larger project.

Stand up, everybody, this is your life
Let me take U 2 another world, let me take U 2night
U don't need no money, U don't need no clothes
The second coming, anything goes


Prince - The second coming Live November 21st 1981 Warner

The Second Coming Film
The Second Coming was planned to be a documentary film and live album from Prince's Controversy tour in 1981. The tour was professionally filmed but the project was abandoned, likely due to Prince's schedule producing The Time and Vanity 6. The title comes from a prerecorded a cappella intro to the tour, immediately preceding the song "Uptown."

The Second Coming
This prerecorded a cappella track by Prince opened the Controversy tour set. It concerns the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and a warning to all His children to learn how to love, in addition to gun control (a similar topic in "Annie Christian"). A film concept of the same name was considered by Prince to document the Controversy Tour but was eventually canceled.

It won't be long
All of God's children must learn 2 love
It won't be long (I said it won't be long)
Before the Second Coming, yeah
It won't be long, no, it won't be long

How many more good men must die before there's gun control
U've got 2 love your brother if U want 2 free your soul (Soul, soul, soul)

It won't be long (It won't be long)
All of God's, all of God's children must learn 2 love



Chuck Statler's small film crew who worked on the pseudo-concert film 'The Second Coming' - the Prince documentary film that never saw the light of day...

9th December, 1981
The concert in Houston is filmed for a planned documentary, tentatively called 'The Second Coming'. Several concerts on the tour were filmed by rock video pioneer Chuck Statler, who had worked with Devo and Elvis Costello. His Minneapolis-based Location Services filmed Prince in concert and off-stage, but the resulting documentary was never released.
- Entry taken from Per Nilsen's 'Prince - A Documentary'


Part I]
Hey, thanks RC! Gee, I'm probably gonna use up all my good stories within a week, but here goes...

I didn't work on Purple Rain, but in 1982 I did work on the unreleased film that preceeded it. This was originally just going to be a simple concert film and Chuck Statler was hired as the director. I had worked as a grip/gopher on a few of Chuck's shoots so I got this gig too.

We were filming Prince at (I think) the St Paul Civic Center. They were using multiple cameras and real film, not video, so that meant that every 10-15 minutes a fresh film magazine was needed for each camera. My job was to ferry an exposed magazine from a camera on the floor in the middle of the crowd, all the way to backstage. There a couple of guys did nothing but remove the exposed film from the magazines inside black bags, and put fresh film in. Then I would bring a fresh magazine back to the camera in the crowd. Fortunately one of the bouncers kind of adopted me, and blazed a trail thru the crowd each time.

So, then the concert's over and we're done, right? Wrong! A few weeks later, I hear from Chuck that Prince has now decided to film some scenes to "frame" the concert sequences. For one scene, he wants a roomfull of dolls. So Chuck and I go to this nutty old doll collector's house to rent a roomfull of dolls. She's got a lot of 'em, all right, although she also has a wildly inflated idea of what they're worth. I don't collect dolls, but I do collect other stuff, and these were mostly pretty cheesy dolls. But anyway, Chuck worked out a deal with her and we scored the dolls.

Then a couple of days later, the film crew heads out to Prince's house in Chanhassen, where the filming was going to take place. The house wasn't purple yet, it was just a fairly ordinary large suburban house, kind of sparsely furnished really -- but there was a grand piano in the living room in front of a mirrored wall.

So we spend a few hours getting the props and equipment set up. The gaffer (electrician) decides to tap into Prince's power line ahead of the meter and get some free power. Then we took a break to eat before we started filming. In the early evening we're just getting started, about 8000 watts of lights get fired up, and then all of a sudden, pweeeenngg! All the lights go out. The power load was too much for Prince's transformer and completely fried it.

We're way out in the sticks and it takes forever just to figure out who to contact, and by now it's getting a little late. We finally get a hold of the right guy and he says he'll send somebody out.

So we've got time to kill, and for a while we sit around in the living room while Prince plays that grand piano. Finally the power guys get there, and luckily the gaffer remembered to remove his line tap so they didn't see what he was up to. They replace the transformer and leave. It's kind of late, but we decide to keep going and get at least something done.

So we get started again, get stuff set up again, get those 8000 watts of lights fired up again, and then all of a sudden, pweeeenngg! All the lights go out AGAIN! The new transformer was fried too! So we have to go thru the whole mess again, and of course this time it's even later and the power company guys are not at all happy -- especially when they get to the house. This time the gaffer forgot to remove his line tap so they realized what he was doing. Boy were they pissed! Everything finally gets straightened out without too much bloodshed, but this time it's so late that we decide to bag it for the night and pull an all-nighter the next evening instead.

Did we ever get any filming done? If so, why didn't the film ever come out? And how does Vanity 6 fit into the picture? These questions and more will be answered in my next post -- suspenseful, huh? Meanwhile, here's a Polaroid of Prince that I fished out of the trash at the shoot . It was just taken to check the light so you can only see his silhouette -- but it's him. Take my word for it!



[Part II]
OK, here's the second half of the story I'm calling "Purple Ruin."

After the disastrous first night of filming (or trying to), we all went home and slept thru the day and then regrouped again in the late afternoon and made another trek out to Prince's house in Chanhassen. This time the gaffer brought along a portable generator so we could avoid burning out Prince's transformer a 3rd time. Good idea!

And I should say that, although his patience was sorely tested by other people's screw-ups, director Chuck Statler never lost his cool. He was always totally professional, even under the most trying conditions. It was a privilege to work with him.

Anyway, we got out to the house and this time we actually did get some filming done! The main scene involved the aforementioned roomful of dolls and (surprise!) two women in lingerie. One of them, named Susan, shortly thereafter turned up in Vanity 6. I always thought this scene was the germ of Prince's whole Vanity 6 idea. I don't know who the other woman was -- as far as I know, she didn't show up in subsequent Prince projects, but I could be wrong about that.

Oddly enough, Prince never discussed his concept of the film with me, but here's what I was able to glean from working on the scene: two women clad in lingerie spend most of their time in a roomful of dolls, pining for their lover (Prince, duh!) and awaiting his return from his far-flung wanderings. When he does finally show, he's cloaked in fog and an aura of mystery. After that, I have no specific knowledge... but presumably there was sex.

So we're going to film the scene of Prince's return. Susan is supposed to crawl on her hands and knees over to the door, which then mysteriously opens as if by itself. An eerie fog wafts into the room and Prince is revealed standing in the doorway.

To create the effect, a wall of paper was put up about 2 or 3 feet back from the door. Then a huge bank of lights was set up on the other side of the paper. (The paper was to diffuse the light.) In effect, this created a small closet with one paper wall, which had the proverbial 8000 watts of light on the other side. The picture of Prince in my previous post shows him standing in the doorway, with light shining thru the paper wall behind him.

They wanted smoke drifting around when Prince walked in, and even curling out from under the closed door before it opened, so somebody had to get into that little closet and pump it full of smoke with a smoke machine. Now, even though it was supposed to be Prince on the other side of the door, for some reason he didn't care to get into this hot stuffy closet full of smoke. Guess what? I got the job.

So I'm standing in this blindingly bright and blazing hot little room, pumping it full of (cancer-causing, no doubt) smoke. And all I can think of is, "Wow! I'm really making movies now!"

I pump the closet full of smoke, Susan crawls over, the door slowly opens, and cut. We do that a half-dozen times or so, and finally Susan complains a little about having to crawl over to the door again and again. "Hey, baby, it's rock and roll," Prince says. I was really tempted to retort, "Well, why aren't YOU in here then?" -- but I restrained myself.

And really, that was one of the few times that Prince made any sort of audible comment. Usually, if he had anything to say he would just speak quietly to Chuck. And most of the time he just observed what was going on. Even when the whole electrical disaster of the first night was going on, I never heard him complain. (Not to say he never did, but if he did he was discreet about it.)
Prince was aloof, but not in an arrogant or mean-spirited way. He just seemed kind of self-involved and removed from the mundane details of what we were doing. He was no glad-hander, for sure, but I certainly didn't come away from the experience thinking he was a prick, either. (Unlike some others -- Steve Nieve comes immediately to mind).

We finally finished filming in the early morning, packed up, and headed home. Some time later, I was told that Warner Brothers had pulled the plug on the whole project -- supposedly because the concert footage wasn't that good. I heard that one problem was that Prince hadn't allowed the cameras out onstage, which limited the shots the camera operators could get. I also heard that supposedly one camera operator's footage was out of focus, but I don't know if that's true. In any case, the film was shelved.

But then, a year or two later, Prince gave the world "Purple Rain." And then he gave it "Under the Cherry Moon." Oh, well...

For your edification, I'm including a couple of Polaroids of Susan and the other lingerie-clad woman in the roomful of dolls. The pictures were taken just to check the lighting and they've deteriorated over the years, but I think you'll get the idea:

Spinlight said:

laurarichardson said:

You religion bashers never give it a fucking rest. Maybe the movie part of the project is shitty crap.

(kind of like Graffitt Bridge is crap). Anyway you can goggle and find plenty of "Controversey footage which P doing all sorts of rauchy shit if that floats your boat.

Quit shoving your bible up your ass and maybe read some pages. You'll be less likely to post so much stupid fucking drivel next time.

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Wow what a intelligent post !!! I hope you did not burn out in any of the few brain cells you have with that response. Not one fucking word of your two stupid sentences has anything to do with my post at all. Now go eat dinner your mom is calling you to come from the basement.

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laurarichardson said:

Wow what a intelligent post !!! I hope you did not burn out in any of the few brain cells you have with that response. Not one fucking word of your two stupid sentences has anything to do with my post at all. Now go eat dinner your mom is calling you to come from the basement.

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Physician, heal thyself. You're the most miserable person on the org. End it, already.

This sounds like an interesting project,but maybe it's a good thing that it wasn't released back then.We may not have gotten the Purple Rain film.Prince did the right thing by waiting a few more years before doing a movie.

SoulAlive said:

This sounds like an interesting project,but maybe it's a good thing that it wasn't released back then.We may not have gotten the Purple Rain film.Prince did the right thing by waiting a few more years before doing a movie.

He should have released it like a mini movie video and beat Michael Jackson to the Punch

maybe it could have featured: Sexuality Tick Tick Bang Let's Work, Private Joy & Do Me Baby

Gohi said:

Sometimes KCOOL scares the crap out of me. This is one of those times. He seems to have some sort of complex.

I think he is the ying to Bart's yang.

If U scare that easy U need a psychiatrist....

Just because feel Prince has never done drugs(Which he hasn't) doesn't make me crazy. My hero has always been drug free. That is why he still looks two decades younger than his age....

laurarichardson said:

PoorLonelyComputer said:

I used to be as delusional as you. Thank goodness I finally woke up.

Nothing delusional about not thinking that P was some raging coke head back in the day.

Just about anyone who ever worked for him will tell you he was against drugs however, he has admitted himself to being a drinker so the red eyes may have something to do with some beer drinking. I cannot be made to believe that a raging coke head would have been able to work at P's pace back in the day.

Except there's a huge difference between being a "raging coke head" and what we're talking about in this thread. People really love to show their ignorance while they're sticking their necks out to tongue Prince's butthole.

Spinlight said:

Except there's a huge difference between being a "raging coke head" and what we're talking about in this thread. People really love to show their ignorance while they're sticking their necks out to tongue Prince's butthole.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Just because feel Prince has never done drugs(Which he hasn't) doesn't make me crazy. My hero has always been drug free. That is why he still looks two decades younger than his age....

Your hero? Really?!? Hero?!? Wow!! That explains alot. Good luck with that...

It's been said that the outtake "Schoolyard" is autobiographical. If that's the case, he talked about smoking weed in the song.

Is it not possible that Prince tried a few drugs but never developed a habit because he was already addicted to music and didn't have the time or desire to be addicted to drugs.

Also, you know alcohol is a drug right? Your hero has had lots of experience with that one. Also, painkillers.... It's been reported that he's used/abused them a bit too.

It's been said that the outtake "Schoolyard" is autobiographical. If that's the case, he talked about smoking weed in the song.

Is it not possible that Prince tried a few drugs but never developed a habit because he was already addicted to music and didn't have the time or desire to be addicted to drugs.

Also, you know alcohol is a drug right? Your hero has had lots of experience with that one. Also, painkillers.... It's been reported that he's used/abused them a bit too.

He also mentioned cigarettes in the B-side hit "17 Days". But that song was originally 4 Apolonia 6. Doesn't mean he actually tried them. Alcohol is alcohol.Nothing wrong with a drink here & there most people have a glass of wine or red wine. Painkillers of course with all the thousands of splits and jumping off speakers over the many years he per4rmed. He would have some kind of pain. Doesn't mean he is addicted to them. Most people have used some kind of painkiller. I'm talking about Coke,meth,etc.

Sorry if U people have tried hard drugs in ur life. Doesn't mean Prince has. Sorry if U wanted him to. Its sad with all the recent deaths of past superstars over drug overdoses. But Prince is still here 4 a reason. Because he has remained drug free & a devout Jehovah...Don't hate...

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

It's been said that the outtake "Schoolyard" is autobiographical. If that's the case, he talked about smoking weed in the song.

Is it not possible that Prince tried a few drugs but never developed a habit because he was already addicted to music and didn't have the time or desire to be addicted to drugs.

Also, you know alcohol is a drug right? Your hero has had lots of experience with that one. Also, painkillers.... It's been reported that he's used/abused them a bit too.

He also mentioned cigarettes in the B-side hit "17 Days". But that song was originally 4 Apolonia 6. Doesn't mean he actually tried them. Alcohol is alcohol.Nothing wrong with a drink here & there most people have a glass of wine or red wine. Painkillers of course with all the thousands of splits and jumping off speakers over the many years he per4rmed. He would have some kind of pain. Doesn't mean he is addicted to them. Most people have used some kind of painkiller. I'm talking about Coke,meth,etc.

Sorry if U people have tried hard drugs in ur life. Doesn't mean Prince has. Sorry if U wanted him to. Its sad with all the recent deaths of past superstars over drug overdoses. But Prince is still here 4 a reason. Because he has remained drug free & a devout Jehovah...Don't hate...

Are you really tryna say that in his whole life, Prince has never tried drugs once?

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

It's been said that the outtake "Schoolyard" is autobiographical. If that's the case, he talked about smoking weed in the song.

Is it not possible that Prince tried a few drugs but never developed a habit because he was already addicted to music and didn't have the time or desire to be addicted to drugs.

Also, you know alcohol is a drug right? Your hero has had lots of experience with that one. Also, painkillers.... It's been reported that he's used/abused them a bit too.

He also mentioned cigarettes in the B-side hit "17 Days". But that song was originally 4 Apolonia 6. Doesn't mean he actually tried them. Alcohol is alcohol.Nothing wrong with a drink here & there most people have a glass of wine or red wine. Painkillers of course with all the thousands of splits and jumping off speakers over the many years he per4rmed. He would have some kind of pain. Doesn't mean he is addicted to them. Most people have used some kind of painkiller. I'm talking about Coke,meth,etc.

Sorry if U people have tried hard drugs in ur life. Doesn't mean Prince has. Sorry if U wanted him to. Its sad with all the recent deaths of past superstars over drug overdoses. But Prince is still here 4 a reason. Because he has remained drug free & a devout Jehovah...Don't hate...

Sorry if you believe that alcohol is a safe drug and all others are not. You are wrong.

Alcohol kills people every day. Prescription drugs like pain killers kill people every day.

Marijuana, which Prince is high on in the pictures above, NEVER killed one person in the history of mankind. This is a FACT.

Marijuana is the safest and most natural drug that anyone can get high on. Oh yeah, it's medicine too. Get with the 21 Century, will ya?

Gohi said:

Sometimes KCOOL scares the crap out of me. This is one of those times. He seems to have some sort of complex.

I think he is the ying to Bart's yang.

Y'know, Bart's an ass, but at least he has his FACTS straight (if not his opinions).

KCOOL, however, has his/her/whatever facts AND opinions wrong.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

It's been said that the outtake "Schoolyard" is autobiographical. If that's the case, he talked about smoking weed in the song.

Is it not possible that Prince tried a few drugs but never developed a habit because he was already addicted to music and didn't have the time or desire to be addicted to drugs.

Also, you know alcohol is a drug right? Your hero has had lots of experience with that one. Also, painkillers.... It's been reported that he's used/abused them a bit too.

He also mentioned cigarettes in the B-side hit "17 Days". But that song was originally 4 Apolonia 6. Doesn't mean he actually tried them. Alcohol is alcohol.Nothing wrong with a drink here & there most people have a glass of wine or red wine. Painkillers of course with all the thousands of splits and jumping off speakers over the many years he per4rmed. He would have some kind of pain. Doesn't mean he is addicted to them. Most people have used some kind of painkiller. I'm talking about Coke,meth,etc.

Sorry if U people have tried hard drugs in ur life. Doesn't mean Prince has. Sorry if U wanted him to. Its sad with all the recent deaths of past superstars over drug overdoses. But Prince is still here 4 a reason. Because he has remained drug free & a devout Jehovah...Don't hate...

seriously, what are you?

If getting high inspired him to come up with amazing stuff like the 1999 album,I say "OK!!" No one should have a problem with that.It's not like he got hooked on anything and destroyed his career.

Prince only gets high off music. That is why he named his tour W2A. So he can play on stages all over America the rest of his life & expose us more 2 his "Masterpieces"....

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Prince only gets high off music. That is why he named his tour W2A. So he can play on stages all over America the rest of his life & expose us more 2 his "Masterpieces"....

Please stop. You're embarrassing yourself.

I want this movie now!!!! I looks like porno though