L4OATheOriginal said:

Bohemian67 said:

Well Bart, why don't you go and set up a research about

1. What criteria are needed to be qualified a sophisiticated/smart Prince fan.

2. How many of those fans can handle news songs in concert.

3. Why they can (what factors are involved)

4. Why they can't. Ditto

As there's no discrimination in Prince's concert as to who can attend, i.e. casual and new fans, also run a research, on at least please 500 participants and find out what songs they want to hear.

As for Madonna. She has always been the material girl and she's continued to survive in this market by conforming and participating in this mega throw away society. Out with the old in the new. If it works for her, good for her.

Doesn't mean Prince needs to follow suite.

By the way with all your business models you propose. Is your stack as high as the man's yet?

here's the thing, whenever Bart points out the truth then he's jumped upon. Your forgetting that Prince used 2 focus on his new music in his live shows up until the jam of the year tour then it became all about his past even under a new moniker and still continues 2 do so today. The difference between prince and other artists that have been around the same time as he has, they have less material to offer 2 fans but they STILL DO IT THO. Prince has been stuck in the 80's so much that at this point, it might be hard 2 introduce new material but it SHOULD still be done.

the fans are the ones keeping him in a bubble and that's a damn shame cause in this thread alone, people are questioning about details of a new album which would mean NEW MATERIAL. so what is so wrong with comprising a show that gives every type of fan, diehard to casual what they want 2 hear?

fans are also stuck in the 80's and want to keep Prince in that bubble too, constantly complaining how his new music suck and how he has not done anything good in 20 years. You know who you are.

I do agree that a mix of new and old music is more enjoyable for me, but to the average fan who does obsess over Prince who watch every concert he's done on Earth like we do, they don't care. I don't know why Prince does not do more of his new music, only he knows. I can only speak from experience that the three concerts I went to recently did not ruin it for me.

wonder505 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

here's the thing, whenever Bart points out the truth then he's jumped upon. Your forgetting that Prince used 2 focus on his new music in his live shows up until the jam of the year tour then it became all about his past even under a new moniker and still continues 2 do so today. The difference between prince and other artists that have been around the same time as he has, they have less material to offer 2 fans but they STILL DO IT THO. Prince has been stuck in the 80's so much that at this point, it might be hard 2 introduce new material but it SHOULD still be done.

the fans are the ones keeping him in a bubble and that's a damn shame cause in this thread alone, people are questioning about details of a new album which would mean NEW MATERIAL. so what is so wrong with comprising a show that gives every type of fan, diehard to casual what they want 2 hear?

fans are also stuck in the 80's and want to keep Prince in that bubble too, constantly complaining how his new music suck and how he has not done anything good in 20 years. You know who you are.

I do agree that a mix of new and old music is more enjoyable for me, but to the average fan who does obsess over Prince who watch every concert he's done on Earth like we do, they don't care. I don't know why Prince does not do more of his new music, only he knows. I can only speak from experience that the three concerts I went to recently did not ruin it for me.

u get it perfectly

Would you rather play to an audience who came to hear some good music and have a good time or an elitist set of know-it-alls who are going to over analyze every move you make on stage. Artists feed off the energy of an audience. When we went to the W2A shows in NYC I went to have a good time not to dissect Prince's intentions and his connection(or lack thereof) to his core fanbase. Either buy a ticket and go or stop paying for something you don't want to see then complaining about it ad nauseum. I completely get that some aren't feeling his current band or the set lists. Then why are you still following the info on this tour? It's not going to radically change up because you scrutinize it. Until there's a band lineup change of major proportion I doubt there will be a major change in sets being played. You want Prince to know your dissatisfaction with the current shows then stop paying them any and all attention(financial or otherwise).

Amusing

HonestMan13 said:

Would you rather play to an audience who came to hear some good music and have a good time or an elitist set of know-it-alls who are going to over analyze every move you make on stage. Artists feed off the energy of an audience. When we went to the W2A shows in NYC I went to have a good time not to dissect Prince's intentions and his connection(or lack thereof) to his core fanbase. Either buy a ticket and go or stop paying for something you don't want to see then complaining about it ad nauseum. I completely get that some aren't feeling his current band or the set lists. Then why are you still following the info on this tour? It's not going to radically change up because you scrutinize it. Until there's a band lineup change of major proportion I doubt there will be a major change in sets being played. You want Prince to know your dissatisfaction with the current shows then stop paying them any and all attention(financial or otherwise).

Exactly my thoughts. I understand that some don't like the setlists, or the band, or whatever ... but then why keep going on and on about it, instead of just turning to other things/music/performers??

I do think Prince enjoys the audience in an arena singing and cheering, so much that he prefers that over playing songs the majority of the crowd won't know - which would most likely kill the mood. When he is ready to play smaller venues again, I bet he will also perform other songs. And I do believe that will happen at some point in the future.

So why not let him enjoy himself on stage AND those fans who do not see him on every tour, as well as those who appreciate his concerts no matter what he plays! The good thing is that Prince and the fans have a great time anyway, despite all the criticism here!

i like especially well 7 and 8. Regarding 12, "it is not up to the past 2 dictate", it feels like a karma buster statement for life, as life is not as solid as it appears or feels. thank U.

Dreamer20ten said:

HonestMan13 said:

Would you rather play to an audience who came to hear some good music and have a good time or an elitist set of know-it-alls who are going to over analyze every move you make on stage. Artists feed off the energy of an audience. When we went to the W2A shows in NYC I went to have a good time not to dissect Prince's intentions and his connection(or lack thereof) to his core fanbase. Either buy a ticket and go or stop paying for something you don't want to see then complaining about it ad nauseum. I completely get that some aren't feeling his current band or the set lists. Then why are you still following the info on this tour? It's not going to radically change up because you scrutinize it. Until there's a band lineup change of major proportion I doubt there will be a major change in sets being played. You want Prince to know your dissatisfaction with the current shows then stop paying them any and all attention(financial or otherwise).

Exactly my thoughts. I understand that some don't like the setlists, or the band, or whatever ... but then why keep going on and on about it, instead of just turning to other things/music/performers??

I do think Prince enjoys the audience in an arena singing and cheering, so much that he prefers that over playing songs the majority of the crowd won't know - which would most likely kill the mood. When he is ready to play smaller venues again, I bet he will also perform other songs. And I do believe that will happen at some point in the future.

So why not let him enjoy himself on stage AND those fans who do not see him on every tour, as well as those who appreciate his concerts no matter what he plays! The good thing is that Prince and the fans have a great time anyway, despite all the criticism here!

I agree. I can't deny the fact that I had so much fun. Its not like I was miserable during the show.

HonestMan13 said:

Would you rather play to an audience who came to hear some good music and have a good time or an elitist set of know-it-alls who are going to over analyze every move you make on stage. Artists feed off the energy of an audience. When we went to the W2A shows in NYC I went to have a good time not to dissect Prince's intentions and his connection(or lack thereof) to his core fanbase. Either buy a ticket and go or stop paying for something you don't want to see then complaining about it ad nauseum. I completely get that some aren't feeling his current band or the set lists. Then why are you still following the info on this tour? It's not going to radically change up because you scrutinize it. Until there's a band lineup change of major proportion I doubt there will be a major change in sets being played. You want Prince to know your dissatisfaction with the current shows then stop paying them any and all attention(financial or otherwise).

if i may ask or comment on something u wrote about good music: are u saying that his current output is not good or any material since the 90's? By paying for a ticket, how is the consumer gonna know what is going 2 be played before hand? but once a ticket is bought and the presentation is performed and the so said consumer who paid their money didn't like the product then what? In those that are performers give a bad performance, then how do u propose the consumer express their dislike of so said performance?

with someone like prince, each show is different indeed. that being said, there are some members who do like his work are looking for that spark that is always there but is has gone dim. so do u suggest that in order that he gets the message is 2 not show up at all or carry big ass signs that he can see on stage asking him 2 stop doing this or that? not saying he would anyway but i'm just curious on how u suggest this be told 2 him 2 let him know that there is a dislike for his output of recent years.

@L4OATheOriginal

First, apologies for offering some form of answer to your question as I realise you were asking Wonder505 specifically - Wonder can certainly take this up with you, but, respectfully, I wanted to respond to your thoughtful questions

I offer the following:

"how is the consumer gonna know what is going 2 be played before hand?"

Clearly, they're not gonna know - for me this is certainly an attraction (as it was last time I saw him 2007 London @ O2)

"how do u propose the consumer express their dislike of so said performance?"

Reviews would be universally bad; in context what is a 'bad' Prince performance? One where he doesn't play what an individual wants to hear? One where he 'only' plays for 2 hours and not three...?

As 'a consumer' if I didn't rate a performance i wouldn't attend again - certainly not another date for the same tour. Low turnout means revenue loss, means P would lose money....

"in order that he gets the message is 2 not show up at all or carry big ass signs that he can see on stage asking him 2 stop doing this or that? not saying he would anyway but i'm just curious on how u suggest this be told 2 him 2 let him know that there is a dislike for his output of recent years."

Again, I wouldn't attend. If enough people feel the same way he won't pack venues, and then, maybe, Prince will work on why this is and you/ others may see the change you crave. This clearly isn't the case right now.

Fans who don't like the current line up/ hits format -be patient - it seems plenty enjoy the W2 hits tour so why sweat it?- Realistically P will need to change things up at some point as a hits tour will run it's natural course i.e. the market will dry up/ P will get bored/ band members will leave etc

ONA tour showed us how the future will be - let the masses enjoy what we've (selfishly) enjoyed for years - our day will come round again.

80spfantwp said:

@L4OATheOriginal

First, apologies for offering some form of answer to your question as I realise you were asking Wonder505 specifically - Wonder can certainly take this up with you, but, respectfully, I wanted to respond to your thoughtful questions

I offer the following:

"how is the consumer gonna know what is going 2 be played before hand?"

Clearly, they're not gonna know - for me this is certainly an attraction (as it was last time I saw him 2007 London @ O2)

"how do u propose the consumer express their dislike of so said performance?"

Reviews would be universally bad; in context what is a 'bad' Prince performance? One where he doesn't play what an individual wants to hear? One where he 'only' plays for 2 hours and not three...?

As 'a consumer' if I didn't rate a performance i wouldn't attend again - certainly not another date for the same tour. Low turnout means revenue loss, means P would lose money....

"in order that he gets the message is 2 not show up at all or carry big ass signs that he can see on stage asking him 2 stop doing this or that? not saying he would anyway but i'm just curious on how u suggest this be told 2 him 2 let him know that there is a dislike for his output of recent years."

Again, I wouldn't attend. If enough people feel the same way he won't pack venues, and then, maybe, Prince will work on why this is and you/ others may see the change you crave. This clearly isn't the case right now.

Fans who don't like the current line up/ hits format -be patient - it seems plenty enjoy the W2 hits tour so why sweat it?- Realistically P will need to change things up at some point as a hits tour will run it's natural course i.e. the market will dry up/ P will get bored/ band members will leave etc

ONA tour showed us how the future will be - let the masses enjoy what we've (selfishly) enjoyed for years - our day will come round again.

Wow. You beat me to it! Thank You!!!

L4OATheOriginal said:

HonestMan13 said:

Would you rather play to an audience who came to hear some good music and have a good time or an elitist set of know-it-alls who are going to over analyze every move you make on stage. Artists feed off the energy of an audience. When we went to the W2A shows in NYC I went to have a good time not to dissect Prince's intentions and his connection(or lack thereof) to his core fanbase. Either buy a ticket and go or stop paying for something you don't want to see then complaining about it ad nauseum. I completely get that some aren't feeling his current band or the set lists. Then why are you still following the info on this tour? It's not going to radically change up because you scrutinize it. Until there's a band lineup change of major proportion I doubt there will be a major change in sets being played. You want Prince to know your dissatisfaction with the current shows then stop paying them any and all attention(financial or otherwise).

if i may ask or comment on something u wrote about good music: are u saying that his current output is not good or any material since the 90's? By paying for a ticket, how is the consumer gonna know what is going 2 be played before hand? but once a ticket is bought and the presentation is performed and the so said consumer who paid their money didn't like the product then what? In those that are performers give a bad performance, then how do u propose the consumer express their dislike of so said performance?

with someone like prince, each show is different indeed. that being said, there are some members who do like his work are looking for that spark that is always there but is has gone dim. so do u suggest that in order that he gets the message is 2 not show up at all or carry big ass signs that he can see on stage asking him 2 stop doing this or that? not saying he would anyway but i'm just curious on how u suggest this be told 2 him 2 let him know that there is a dislike for his output of recent years.

Seeing what 80spfantwp wrote pretty much summed up what I've been saying. Also to add to that L4AO your opinion is one of a hardcore fan. Most casual fans want to hear the songs you don't and wouldn't know what a "Moonbeam Level" was if it hit them in the head. Not every person in attendance has the vast knowledge of Prince entire discography the way a lot of orgers do. They want the hits and that's what they're getting. Does this mean that Prince new material isn't good, no. It does mean it's not popular or well known, neither of which is a requirement of good music. I think Prince is fully aware of this fact and that's why the shows are less experimental than older tours. Touring is Prince's bread and butter now and he cannot afford to fill arenas only to play to 15% to 25% of the audience.

wonder505 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

here's the thing, whenever Bart points out the truth then he's jumped upon. Your forgetting that Prince used 2 focus on his new music in his live shows up until the jam of the year tour then it became all about his past even under a new moniker and still continues 2 do so today. The difference between prince and other artists that have been around the same time as he has, they have less material to offer 2 fans but they STILL DO IT THO. Prince has been stuck in the 80's so much that at this point, it might be hard 2 introduce new material but it SHOULD still be done.

the fans are the ones keeping him in a bubble and that's a damn shame cause in this thread alone, people are questioning about details of a new album which would mean NEW MATERIAL. so what is so wrong with comprising a show that gives every type of fan, diehard to casual what they want 2 hear?

fans are also stuck in the 80's and want to keep Prince in that bubble too, constantly complaining how his new music suck and how he has not done anything good in 20 years. You know who you are.

I do agree that a mix of new and old music is more enjoyable for me, but to the average fan who does obsess over Prince who watch every concert he's done on Earth like we do, they don't care. I don't know why Prince does not do more of his new music, only he knows. I can only speak from experience that the three concerts I went to recently did not ruin it for me.

I don't miss Princes 80s SOUND. I miss Princes 80s innovation and drive. BIG difference. He hasn't moved forward imo- just sideways.

But I agree people want hits- and should get them.

Zannaloaf said:

wonder505 said:

fans are also stuck in the 80's and want to keep Prince in that bubble too, constantly complaining how his new music suck and how he has not done anything good in 20 years. You know who you are.

I do agree that a mix of new and old music is more enjoyable for me, but to the average fan who does obsess over Prince who watch every concert he's done on Earth like we do, they don't care. I don't know why Prince does not do more of his new music, only he knows. I can only speak from experience that the three concerts I went to recently did not ruin it for me.

I don't miss Princes 80s SOUND. I miss Princes 80s innovation and drive. BIG difference. He hasn't moved forward imo- just sideways.

He had a teenager/young adult mentality during the 80's. It was all about sex and funk! The worlds youth were a revolutionary bunch and railed against pretty much anything and everything. They wanted to be different and they wanted to be heard.

now fast forward...

Here's a man with two marriages and divorces under his belt and tack on the loss of his parents and that of a child. He's not the wild kid in bikini underwear screaming at Reagan anymore. He's a grown up with a lot of good and bad memories and experiences inside of him. It's still Prince but a Prince who has lived a life that most of us can only speculate upon from afar.

Zannaloaf said:

wonder505 said:

fans are also stuck in the 80's and want to keep Prince in that bubble too, constantly complaining how his new music suck and how he has not done anything good in 20 years. You know who you are.

I do agree that a mix of new and old music is more enjoyable for me, but to the average fan who does obsess over Prince who watch every concert he's done on Earth like we do, they don't care. I don't know why Prince does not do more of his new music, only he knows. I can only speak from experience that the three concerts I went to recently did not ruin it for me.

I don't miss Princes 80s SOUND. I miss Princes 80s innovation and drive. BIG difference. He hasn't moved forward imo- just sideways.

Well as a fan of his new music I would obviously disagree. At the same time I'm realistic, and understand that people mature and change and are not the same person they were in their 20's. A person's "drive" may not be the same as before because he/she is in a different space right now. AFter 30 years in the business and still doing pretty okay, Prince probably believes he has nothing to prove anymore. Only some fans believe he has something to prove but Prince will never answer to these people....so they are to left bitch on the Org for eternity because Prince doesnt care.

...Did he just clown Robin Thicke?

HonestMan13 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

if i may ask or comment on something u wrote about good music: are u saying that his current output is not good or any material since the 90's? By paying for a ticket, how is the consumer gonna know what is going 2 be played before hand? but once a ticket is bought and the presentation is performed and the so said consumer who paid their money didn't like the product then what? In those that are performers give a bad performance, then how do u propose the consumer express their dislike of so said performance?

with someone like prince, each show is different indeed. that being said, there are some members who do like his work are looking for that spark that is always there but is has gone dim. so do u suggest that in order that he gets the message is 2 not show up at all or carry big ass signs that he can see on stage asking him 2 stop doing this or that? not saying he would anyway but i'm just curious on how u suggest this be told 2 him 2 let him know that there is a dislike for his output of recent years.

Seeing what 80spfantwp wrote pretty much summed up what I've been saying. Also to add to that L4AO your opinion is one of a hardcore fan. Most casual fans want to hear the songs you don't and wouldn't know what a "Moonbeam Level" was if it hit them in the head. Not every person in attendance has the vast knowledge of Prince entire discography the way a lot of orgers do. They want the hits and that's what they're getting. Does this mean that Prince new material isn't good, no. It does mean it's not popular or well known, neither of which is a requirement of good music. I think Prince is fully aware of this fact and that's why the shows are less experimental than older tours. Touring is Prince's bread and butter now and he cannot afford to fill arenas only to play to 15% to 25% of the audience.

for someone who proclaims on stage that school is in and such other sentiments, don't u feel it's up 2 the 'teacher" and no i don't mean maceo 2 educate the audience that there was and is life after the hits? or can u imagine the "outrage" if he did actual do a balance show?

HonestMan13 said:

Zannaloaf said:

I don't miss Princes 80s SOUND. I miss Princes 80s innovation and drive. BIG difference. He hasn't moved forward imo- just sideways.

He had a teenager/young adult mentality during the 80's. It was all about sex and funk! The worlds youth were a revolutionary bunch and railed against pretty much anything and everything. They wanted to be different and they wanted to be heard.

now fast forward...

Here's a man with two marriages and divorces under his belt and tack on the loss of his parents and that of a child. He's not the wild kid in bikini underwear screaming at Reagan anymore. He's a grown up with a lot of good and bad memories and experiences inside of him. It's still Prince but a Prince who has lived a life that most of us can only speculate upon from afar.

he was still revolutionary in some aspects but now it seems it's a person with no fight left in him and waiting 4 the world 2 convert 2 his way of business deals and distributing music.

that is so boring!! boring interview & answers... it's not nearly as doolally as it should be, i'm very disappointed

L4OATheOriginal said:

HonestMan13 said:

Seeing what 80spfantwp wrote pretty much summed up what I've been saying. Also to add to that L4AO your opinion is one of a hardcore fan. Most casual fans want to hear the songs you don't and wouldn't know what a "Moonbeam Level" was if it hit them in the head. Not every person in attendance has the vast knowledge of Prince entire discography the way a lot of orgers do. They want the hits and that's what they're getting. Does this mean that Prince new material isn't good, no. It does mean it's not popular or well known, neither of which is a requirement of good music. I think Prince is fully aware of this fact and that's why the shows are less experimental than older tours. Touring is Prince's bread and butter now and he cannot afford to fill arenas only to play to 15% to 25% of the audience.

for someone who proclaims on stage that school is in and such other sentiments, don't u feel it's up 2 the 'teacher" and no i don't mean maceo 2 educate the audience that there was and is life after the hits? or can u imagine the "outrage" if he did actual do a balance show?

whenever he referred to that I thought he meant performing with live instruments and live singing? i don't think its anymore serious than that.

BartVanHemelen said:

And yet her oh-so-dumb audience (that is what you're saying) can stomach concerts that feature a majority of new music, whereas Prince's sophicticated connaisseurs of True Live Music (trademark pending) cannot.

Love the "people go to see the event , not watch a living musician legend perform" bullcrap, as if the same isn't true about Prince.

Do you not recognize that its a bit nutty that you rant about the same thing in about 98% of the threads that you post in that 98% percent of the time originally had nothing to do with your repeitious obsession with his set lists? Just a slight bit ridiculous? I think the real question is, do you not have a hobby?? Or a shrink? Thanks!

I for one like Prince doing email interviews a lot better. It may not offer up a ton of details but its safer, and keeps him out of trouble.

The interview is hilarious. I like that Prince is private and reveals only what he wants to, when he wants to.

I'm a BIG Prince fan and I've never been to one of his shows. Hopefully he performs in the States again and I can catch a show.

Whatever setlist he plays at the show I attend, I'll be satisfied by being in his presence. The man has WAY TOO MANY songs and such a huge catalog, it'll be impossible for him to play all of my favorites.

Accept it for what it is and keep it moving.

wonder505 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

for someone who proclaims on stage that school is in and such other sentiments, don't u feel it's up 2 the 'teacher" and no i don't mean maceo 2 educate the audience that there was and is life after the hits? or can u imagine the "outrage" if he did actual do a balance show?

whenever he referred to that I thought he meant performing with live instruments and live singing? i don't think its anymore serious than that.

Exactly. He's not talking about educating the audience to his new music or to his unreleased material. He's taling about the audience coming to a live show and hearing real music played by real musicians. Not lip-synching and hyped up dance sequences to fill up 3 hours.

HonestMan13 said:

wonder505 said:

whenever he referred to that I thought he meant performing with live instruments and live singing? i don't think its anymore serious than that.

Exactly. He's not talking about educating the audience to his new music or to his unreleased material. He's taling about the audience coming to a live show and hearing real music played by real musicians. Not lip-synching and hyped up dance sequences to fill up 3 hours.

granted but educating that he's still making music is another education tool oh dare i say a business move

I get the point you're making L4OAThe Original - however I still maintain that Prince is setting setlists in response to his audiences

Most of us have surely heard/ seen the Welcome 2 ... performances where Prince has played current tracks (Future Soul Song, Sticky Like Glue - and was it Beginning Endlessly as an opener once?). It was clear (to my ears and sight) that most of the audience weren't really familiar with these tracks and, because of that, gave a lacklustre response.

Prince is not part of the corporate machine - lacks airplay from new releases Mainstream audiences outside of Europe (20TEN) have not heard the album. Is it not then reasonable to assume that because oof this Prince has since chosen to drop 20TEN tracks from current set lists?

What i'm trying to say, in a long winded way - is that I think Prince has tried to incorporate current tracks with the hits but since decided not to for the reasons above.

I think that's much of the reason Prince is now ASKING his audience what they wanna hear in advance of his shows. I think we have to give respect that he is at least trying to satisfy everyone by doing this.

L4OATheOriginal said:

HonestMan13 said:

Exactly. He's not talking about educating the audience to his new music or to his unreleased material. He's taling about the audience coming to a live show and hearing real music played by real musicians. Not lip-synching and hyped up dance sequences to fill up 3 hours.

granted but educating that he's still making music is another education tool oh dare i say a business move

80spfantwp said:

I get the point you're making L4OAThe Original - however I still maintain that Prince is setting setlists in response to his audiences

Most of us have surely heard/ seen the Welcome 2 ... performances where Prince has played current tracks (Future Soul Song, Sticky Like Glue - and was it Beginning Endlessly as an opener once?). It was clear (to my ears and sight) that most of the audience weren't really familiar with these tracks and, because of that, gave a lacklustre response.

Prince is not part of the corporate machine - lacks airplay from new releases Mainstream audiences outside of Europe (20TEN) have not heard the album. Is it not then reasonable to assume that because oof this Prince has since chosen to drop 20TEN tracks from current set lists?

What i'm trying to say, in a long winded way - is that I think Prince has tried to incorporate current tracks with the hits but since decided not to for the reasons above.

I think that's much of the reason Prince is now ASKING his audience what they wanna hear in advance of his shows. I think we have to give respect that he is at least trying to satisfy everyone by doing this.

L4OATheOriginal said:

granted but educating that he's still making music is another education tool oh dare i say a business move

u hit it on the head in regards 2 the 20ten songs that no one knows it cause it wasn't available in convential methods. but lotusflow3r was, 3121 was, and so was musicology and every other album previously that may be "new". let's just say that a few of the recent tunes were staples in the setlist just as if kiss has been, isn't that better then playing a one off song in a concert? or even he offered his latest music at the vendors so that people could actually buy physical copies?

L4OATheOriginal said:

HonestMan13 said:

Exactly. He's not talking about educating the audience to his new music or to his unreleased material. He's taling about the audience coming to a live show and hearing real music played by real musicians. Not lip-synching and hyped up dance sequences to fill up 3 hours.

granted but educating that he's still making music is another education tool oh dare i say a business move

Let's be real. You and all the others in a snit over setlists aren't concerned about Prince's financial status or his album sales or his demographics. Y'all simply want to hear what you want to hear and you're not getting what you want. It's always been as simple as that. You're not concerned with the rest of the concert goers sitting next to you and how they seem to be enjoying what you are not. It's a selfish desire for a show you feel you've earned for being such a loyal diehard fan of Prince throughout the years.

HonestMan13 said:

L4OATheOriginal said:

granted but educating that he's still making music is another education tool oh dare i say a business move

Let's be real. You and all the others in a snit over setlists aren't concerned about Prince's financial status or his album sales or his demographics. Y'all simply want to hear what you want to hear and you're not getting what you want. It's always been as simple as that. You're not concerned with the rest of the concert goers sitting next to you and how they seem to be enjoying what you are not. It's a selfish desire for a show you feel you've earned for being such a loyal diehard fan of Prince throughout the years.

that's funny. cause at the new york shows i was sitting next 2 a couple who didn't even know what adore was or what album it was from so I informed them what album and the song title. don't get in a snit urself that there might be the same chance u could be sitting next 2 someone that is tired of hearing the hits all the time. when u and some others get on here saying rhertoric that we don't take in consideration the person sitting next 2 us, u don't take that same consideration that u might be sitting 2 a non casual fan but a hardcore one.

smart business is smart business and prince isn't the best marketing agent for his work.

have fun at the next arena show spending all that money hearing the same shit u've heard over and over again for years. me? i'll be chilling waiting 4 the smaller venues and if that doesn't happen, cool. i'm content in knowing that i've seen the best prince and not the run of the mill artist the majority of his "fanbase" on here contends with.

and further more if u don't like what i have 2 say or others that can be TRUTHFUL about his career at this moment in time, then skip over the post.