thebanishedone said:

He let Wendy play when she was just starting out. It's cool he gives people the opportunity. It's up the the individual to take it from there.

Dave1992 said:

ConsciousContact said:

Says who? Prince is showing you that there is room. He's created that possibility by doing it! Of course, if you don't like it then there's nothing wrong with that.

Says me...!? You even quoted the message with my name on top of it.

Prince obviously things otherwise, but I'm not Prince.

[Edited 11/28/11 5:06am]

Ok then, where does it say that a musician is not allowed to have a rookie on stage and teach them at the same time. Where is it written? 'Cos the way you are talking it's like there is a law that says it shouldn't be done.

[Edited 11/28/11 8:26am]

V10LETBLUES said:

ConsciousContact said:

When Andy is singing in the microphone and it's not a solo, you can't hear her voice. You can hear Shelby's, Elisa's, Livs', and Prince's but her voice is not even audible. I think she's got a REALLY SOFT voice. I think she's acquaited with guitar playing, but not able to keep up with Prince, so he turns the sound off. I think that Prince wants her up front with Ida(he doesn't want her as back up because he's trying to get her an album) so he doesn't care if the guitar is inaudible as long as she's holding one.

Andy is not playing the guitar at all. Period. THAT is why you can't hear her

She just struts around on stage holding the guitar awkwardly. I went to both shows and watched her closely the second show (im a guitar player myself).

She is beautiful tho so I can understand Prince wanting her around. To me, though, what makes a woman hotter is if she can actually play an instrument...I like the bass player ;p

he will eventually dump her

I have not watched Andy close enough to judge her talent, and that's probably because she has not, as of yet, done anything that entertains me or catches my attention. But, if it is true that she can't play the guitar, that's a shame, and I would be greatly disappointed in Prince for compromising his art for some butt or whatever reason. Again, I'm one of those people who have enjoyed his music for the past ten years. I'm diggin' the remake of "Extralovable" and "Rich Friends". However, having people pose or fake as artists who aren't really artists can cause one to question his musical integrity. Of course, he's had sex kittens before, Vanity, Apollonia, Cat, and Mayte, but he never tried to present them as serious talent. We all knew it was his "Big Pimpin'" persona saying, "Look at me with these fine ass women," and we took them for what they were. But, if he has now put an instrument in the hand of a sex kitten just because she is a sex kitten, that will cause me to question his artistic sincerity. Like someone else said, you don't get the best job of your life before you learn how to do the job. When we pay for Prince, regardless of how we may feel or disagree about his current work, most, if not all, of us are paying for a master musician working with master musicians. If that is not the case, then he can never again say, "real music by real musicians." Hey, I like fine ass women also, but when I pay for Prince I want fine ass musicians.

ConsciousContact said:

Dave1992 said:

Says me...!? You even quoted the message with my name on top of it.

Prince obviously things otherwise, but I'm not Prince.

[Edited 11/28/11 5:06am]

Ok then, where does it say that a musician is not allowed to have a rookie on stage and teach them at the same time. Where is it written? 'Cos the way you are talking it's like there is a law that says it shouldn't be done.

[Edited 11/28/11 8:26am]

If you were familiar enough with Prince, his (live) music and what it stands for you'd definitely understand.

When a support act of a support act brings his younger brother along to help out on 2nd guitar or when a 70-people-choire allow a rookie to sing along for a couple of small shows it's okay. When Prince takes rookies into the studio and to rehearsals to teach them things it's okay and cool.

But hundreds of people worked hard just to be named in the same sentence as Prince, part of his legacy and mystique is due to his perfection on stage.

There are no rules to be applied here, but sensible thinking.

But remember he also once let Tony M loose with a guitar on stage!

Bria 2.0

She meets all of his criteria (if his history is any indication): the biracial look, light skin, long hair, exotic nationality, with just enough musicality, and most importantly younger, inexperienced student to his teacher, mentor, svengali persona.

Prince can be full of surprises, but this is not one.

wickyb said:

But remember he also once let Tony M loose with a guitar on stage!

I don't know why I seemed surprised (since I wasn't really all up in Prince like that then, as I was only 7 around the time he and Tony worked together) but I am.

and she butchered bob marley.

Dave1992 said:

ConsciousContact said:

Ok then, where does it say that a musician is not allowed to have a rookie on stage and teach them at the same time. Where is it written? 'Cos the way you are talking it's like there is a law that says it shouldn't be done.

[Edited 11/28/11 8:26am]

If you were familiar enough with Prince, his (live) music and what it stands for you'd definitely understand.

When a support act of a support act brings his younger brother along to help out on 2nd guitar or when a 70-people-choire allow a rookie to sing along for a couple of small shows it's okay. When Prince takes rookies into the studio and to rehearsals to teach them things it's okay and cool.

But hundreds of people worked hard just to be named in the same sentence as Prince, part of his legacy and mystique is due to his perfection on stage.

There are no rules to be applied here, but sensible thinking.

But you seem to have applied your own rules, because you are basically suggesting if not stating already, that only musicians/artists of a particular caliber should have the right to be on stage with Prince. Now 'mystique' may have played a part of his image and legacy, but it is obvious, with his 30-years plus experience as a musician/artist/performer, he doesn't seem to require that 'mystique' he displayed as part of his own image, to be a necessary requirement for musicians/artists he extends an opportunity to, when he invites them to perform on stage with him and challenge their skills/talents as musicians/artists. Confidentiality I'm sure is expected as band members, music collaborators and businesswise, but that's not the same as being 'mystique'. It's obvious he sees Andy's musical talents/skills as having potential for growth, and growth takes time, so one can say he pretty much is using 'sensible thinking' in his decision to work with her and educate her musically, by assisting in enhancing her musical talents/skills.

If having the same level of skills/talent like that was the case of very, established musicians like the late Miles Davis, James Brown, and living legends like Santana, Stevie Wonder, etc., would have turned their backs to artists who were/are younger than them, and had/have less experience as musicians/artists, and not invite them on stage to perform with them or those established/well-known artists themselves, would not choose to join less established artists on stage, as well.

Back in the day, when established artists discovered others who were not that known, they took them under their wing and had them open for them or join them on stage. Often times, this is how those famous/established artists' fans, were able to be introduced to new artists.

I think by doing this he gives many artists a way to challenge their own talents/skills, and the opportunity to embrace and share the experieince of performing with well-established musicians, while testing and enhancing their own music talents/skills..hands-on-experience, if you will.

If anything that Andy gets from this experience it will be a lesson of gratitude, that a well-established musician/artist is able to help her with her music career. I'm sure, that will be on her resume for a long time, even if one day she is no longer a member of the NPG, and continues a solo career. Just my two cents.

double 'is' edit

[Edited 11/28/11 20:40pm]

From what I've heard I really enjoy her studio stuff more than her live performances. With that said, I'm kind of looking forward to her album

IamFunkay7 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

U can say he's wrong, if you've never heard her play...

that's like a judge making judgment without hearing the case

yeah but I meant that in a hilarious way, like you know you wrong for that

you wrong oldfriends4sale so wrong lol

lol I think that was some personal life stuff coming out lol

"Fine as she is she dont have to know how to (play) sing"-Morris E Day/Purple Rain?

I think that P needs to realize that he doesn't have to share every new friend he makes with the world.

I'm glad he's having fun but I don't necessarily want to see his friends onstage with him unless they're very talented singers, dancers or musicians. That goes for any show I pay to see by any artist, not just Prince.

rdhull said:

"Fine as she is she dont have to know how to (play) sing"-Morris E Day/Purple Rain?

"Huh, this ain't a movie dawg! " -Jay-Z/Public Service Announcement

IamFunkay7 said:

lol you wrong

I think she's got style and she may be a beginner but thats the only way you're going to learn. He probably see's her potential so thats probably why. I think if you give her a few years, she'll sound better. I've never heard her guitar playing, I always try to listen but I can't hear it.

I don't think that, for a professional who can be described as an expert in his field, allowing someone to learn "on the job" is professional. If people wanted to see amatuer chops, they'd go to a bar and hear it for the price of a few beers. She's hella cute, but the critics are correct; her playing is sub-par at best. It's like allowing someone a few years into ballet lessons with rudimentary skills take the lead in a NY City Ballet production.

OzlemUcucu said:

he always had talentless but beautiful girls around him.

[Edited 11/28/11 5:28am]

BlackandRising said:

IamFunkay7 said:

lol you wrong

I think she's got style and she may be a beginner but thats the only way you're going to learn. He probably see's her potential so thats probably why. I think if you give her a few years, she'll sound better. I've never heard her guitar playing, I always try to listen but I can't hear it.

I don't think that, for a professional who can be described as an expert in his field, allowing someone to learn "on the job" is professional. If people wanted to see amatuer chops, they'd go to a bar and hear it for the price of a few beers. She's hella cute, but the critics are correct; her playing is sub-par at best. It's like allowing someone a few years into ballet lessons with rudimentary skills take the lead in a NY City Ballet production.

Word to the mother!

alexnvrmnd777 said:

Astasheiks said:

Maybe P is woop!

Ain't no "maybe" in it. It's definite.

It's pretty obvious that this one is under a different set of rules. Homegirl would've been fined up the wazoo by now.

* cues up We Don't Work for Free *

2elijah said:

Dave1992 said:

If you were familiar enough with Prince, his (live) music and what it stands for you'd definitely understand.

When a support act of a support act brings his younger brother along to help out on 2nd guitar or when a 70-people-choire allow a rookie to sing along for a couple of small shows it's okay. When Prince takes rookies into the studio and to rehearsals to teach them things it's okay and cool.

But hundreds of people worked hard just to be named in the same sentence as Prince, part of his legacy and mystique is due to his perfection on stage.

There are no rules to be applied here, but sensible thinking.

But you seem to have applied your own rules, because you are basically suggesting if not stating already, that only musicians/artists of a particular caliber should have the right to be on stage with Prince. Now 'mystique' may have played a part of his image and legacy, but it is obvious, with his 30-years plus experience as a musician/artist/performer, he doesn't seem to require that 'mystique' he displayed as part of his own image, to be a necessary requirement for musicians/artists he extends an opportunity to, when he invites them to perform on stage with him and challenge their skills/talents as musicians/artists. Confidentiality I'm sure is expected as band members, music collaborators and businesswise, but that's not the same as being 'mystique'. It's obvious he sees Andy's musical talents/skills as having potential for growth, and growth takes time, so one can say he pretty much is using 'sensible thinking' in his decision to work with her and educate her musically, by assisting in enhancing her musical talents/skills.

If having the same level of skills/talent like that was the case of very, established musicians like the late Miles Davis, James Brown, and living legends like Santana, Stevie Wonder, etc., would have turned their backs to artists who were/are younger than them, and had/have less experience as musicians/artists, and not invite them on stage to perform with them or those established/well-known artists themselves, would not choose to join less established artists on stage, as well.

Back in the day, when established artists discovered others who were not that known, they took them under their wing and had them open for them or join them on stage. Often times, this is how those famous/established artists' fans, were able to be introduced to new artists.

I think by doing this he gives many artists a way to challenge their own talents/skills, and the opportunity to embrace and share the experieince of performing with well-established musicians, while testing and enhancing their own music talents/skills..hands-on-experience, if you will.

If anything that Andy gets from this experience it will be a lesson of gratitude, that a well-established musician/artist is able to help her with her music career. I'm sure, that will be on her resume for a long time, even if one day she is no longer a member of the NPG, and continues a solo career. Just my two cents.

double 'is' edit

[Edited 11/28/11 20:40pm]

Why would I apply someone else's rules to my opinion?!

I was talking about his live legacy and mystyque, which is still held in high regard by himself and his fans and casual fans, as everybody is always stating how the NPG is the best, hardest-working, most perfectionist, most all-round band in the world. His including Andy makes this legacy invalid.

You can't compare today's live music scene with what it was like 50 years ago. Today, every gig has to be nearly perfect (especially when your name is Prince) and you can't "afford" to bring friends onto the stage when 30 000 people are watching and 200 000 will be watching on youtube.

I'm not saying what he is doing is bad for Andy, so there is no need to explain the profits she might get from being on stage with him. I am just saying that his band is losing in value in terms of musical perfection and skill.

Give it one more year or so and then she's gone.
But it's silly indeed. Last interview he said "have you heard our new guitar player?"

Yes Prince, I did... and she's the worst guitar player that I've ever seen on a big stage.

Dave1992 said:

2elijah said:

But you seem to have applied your own rules, because you are basically suggesting if not stating already, that only musicians/artists of a particular caliber should have the right to be on stage with Prince. Now 'mystique' may have played a part of his image and legacy, but it is obvious, with his 30-years plus experience as a musician/artist/performer, he doesn't seem to require that 'mystique' he displayed as part of his own image, to be a necessary requirement for musicians/artists he extends an opportunity to, when he invites them to perform on stage with him and challenge their skills/talents as musicians/artists. Confidentiality I'm sure is expected as band members, music collaborators and businesswise, but that's not the same as being 'mystique'. It's obvious he sees Andy's musical talents/skills as having potential for growth, and growth takes time, so one can say he pretty much is using 'sensible thinking' in his decision to work with her and educate her musically, by assisting in enhancing her musical talents/skills.

If having the same level of skills/talent like that was the case of very, established musicians like the late Miles Davis, James Brown, and living legends like Santana, Stevie Wonder, etc., would have turned their backs to artists who were/are younger than them, and had/have less experience as musicians/artists, and not invite them on stage to perform with them or those established/well-known artists themselves, would not choose to join less established artists on stage, as well.

Back in the day, when established artists discovered others who were not that known, they took them under their wing and had them open for them or join them on stage. Often times, this is how those famous/established artists' fans, were able to be introduced to new artists.

I think by doing this he gives many artists a way to challenge their own talents/skills, and the opportunity to embrace and share the experieince of performing with well-established musicians, while testing and enhancing their own music talents/skills..hands-on-experience, if you will.

If anything that Andy gets from this experience it will be a lesson of gratitude, that a well-established musician/artist is able to help her with her music career. I'm sure, that will be on her resume for a long time, even if one day she is no longer a member of the NPG, and continues a solo career. Just my two cents.

double 'is' edit

[Edited 11/28/11 20:40pm]

Why would I apply someone else's rules to my opinion?!

I was talking about his live legacy and mystyque, which is still held in high regard by himself and his fans and casual fans, as everybody is always stating how the NPG is the best, hardest-working, most perfectionist, most all-round band in the world. His including Andy makes this legacy invalid.

You can't compare today's live music scene with what it was like 50 years ago. Today, every gig has to be nearly perfect (especially when your name is Prince) and you can't "afford" to bring friends onto the stage when 30 000 people are watching and 200 000 will be watching on youtube.

I'm not saying what he is doing is bad for Andy, so there is no need to explain the profits she might get from being on stage with him. I am just saying that his band is losing in value in terms of musical perfection and skill.

Don't get upset, it's just a matter of sharing opinions, but who is 'everybody?' We all (fans of Prince) have a different opinion and expectations of Prince, and how we see Prince as a musician/artist, including who he brings/invites on stage with him to perform. Having Andy or any other established/new musician on stage with him, won't take anything away from his mystique, legacy or his years of experience as a musician/artist. Those skills/talents are something no one can take away. If he had another artist on stage with him for a week or a month how does that take anything away from his mystique or legacy? He already owns that, so that's not going to happen.

Oh and yes I can compare music from 50 years ago to today, because 50 years ago musicians/artists had to work harder than they did today, to get a record label or have someone give them a break, by intoducing them to the rest of the world or by having them open for a well-established musician/artist, and not everyone was lucky to have that happen to them. This happened to MJ and his brothers, when Diana Ross introduced them to the world, and often had them perform on stage with her, before they became famous and were able to grow their own fan base. So it's good to know, that an artist who has been around for a while, is willing and still able to do that today, as not many musicians/artists from Prince's generation are able to do that, because most are no longer touring or performing or making new music, even though they are well-respected musicians/artists recognizable by name.