HonestMan13 said:

Serious said:

And Prince still owes me ticket refunds from years ago .

Just because Prince can get away with that kind of selfish behaviour does not make it morally right. This kind of handling his business (or better lack of) is one of the reasons why I stopped travelling to numerous of his shows (as well as buying his records BTW as I don't want to support that kind of behaviour). And I was very hesitant to even attend one show this year and only did as it was pretty close to where I live and as I did not have to pay for a hotel as I could stay with a friend or for the journey as some friends took me with them. Otherwise these days I don't go to see Prince anymore, because it is very likely that he will cancel his shows last minute anyway. Not worth all the trouble.

See that's what I'm talking about. You got burned once and changed your way of dealing with Prince rather than sit around waiting for him to change to suit you. People call Prince out all the time but then repeat the same thing that put them in the undesirable predicament again. So when do adults start to accept responsibility for trusting someone they claim to know is untrustworthy. I respect your stance on this because you made adult decisions to insure you never have to deal with a situation like this again. Since none of us can change Prince you have to change yourself.

[Edited 8/27/11 8:37am]

Not sure why you don't respect everyone in this thread, instead of just one person, but the highlighted sentence applies to me too. I could have gone to LA to see one of the concerts (and wanted to) but chose not to because of the possibility of cancellation, having learned my lesson from Dallas. So Prince missed out on some money that he would have gotten from me if not for his past behavior. I did buy the recent vinyl reissues but I didn't buy them from Prince, rather from a reliable record dealer. Some of that money goes to support Bernie Grundman's mastering work and the Rhino Records reissue program.

As for your suggestion that my irritation with Prince is personal, it's no more personal than when a taxi driver is supposed to pick me up at a certain time and doesn't show up, or when a landscaper charges me a bunch of money to plant some trees and shrubs and then fails to perform the work as agreed. To quote Michael Corleone, it's not personal, it's strictly business. I would expect an explanation from anyone who agrees to perform a service at a certain time and fails to do it. And I post negative feedback on various websites when someone jerks me around, whether it's the landscaper breaching his contract or Prince. Even if I get my money back or the problems are fixed, I'll write a negative review on Angie's List or another site if I'm not pleased with the way the person handled it. The same goes for leaving negative feedback on eBay or discogs.com for people who sell me records that never show up. I do it as a favor to others so that they don't do business with the same person and get burned like I did.

I will admit that, since I love Prince's classic music so much, and remember fondly waiting for the latest brilliant album to come out when I was a teenager, that his behavior is more upsetting than my other examples above, which involve people I know little about. My irritation with Prince is tinged with regret because I used to admire him for creating such wonderful music. If not for that fact, I would be even more pissed.

I think what is most upsetting to people here is the lack of any explanation from Prince, not the fact that he cancelled. Every big artist has to cancel from time to time but no one treats his fans, or customers, as disrespectfully as Prince does.

[Edited 8/27/11 9:34am]

[Edited 8/27/11 9:39am]

HonestMan13 said:

udo said:

If you assume some type of normal social interaction between the artist and the public that he attracts to his shows one would wish for some more elaborate excuses then what we see from mr Prince.

Your defensive wtiting makes it look like you work for mr Prince and think it is normal to cancel a show or even pause a show without a proper explanation.

People invest in seeing a show.

They arrange their schedule.

They obtain tickets.

They arrange transportation.

Maybe even a hotel.

That costs.

So an explanation would be very nice indeed.

Prince to my knowledge does not own an airline, hotel, car rental service or approve people vacation schedules. He is on the hook for a ticket refund. Everything else is at the risk of the buyer and then they should protect themselves with trip insurance. since everyone on the org documents every canncelled concert this should not be a 'surprise expense' to add on to any trip you plan revolving around Prince.

P.S. - You're in Brazil people. I'm sure there's something else to do(hookers, drugs, hooker with drugs) than sit around moaning about Prince!

If I wanted hookers and drugs I would visit Brooklyn, not Rio. Bada-bing!

electricberet said:

HonestMan13 said:

See that's what I'm talking about. You got burned once and changed your way of dealing with Prince rather than sit around waiting for him to change to suit you. People call Prince out all the time but then repeat the same thing that put them in the undesirable predicament again. So when do adults start to accept responsibility for trusting someone they claim to know is untrustworthy. I respect your stance on this because you made adult decisions to insure you never have to deal with a situation like this again. Since none of us can change Prince you have to change yourself.

[Edited 8/27/11 8:37am]

Not sure why you don't respect everyone in this thread, instead of just one person, but the highlighted sentence applies to me too. I could have gone to LA to see one of the concerts (and wanted to) but chose not to because of the possibility of cancellation, having learned my lesson from Dallas. So Prince missed out on some money that he would have gotten from me if not for his past behavior. I did buy the recent vinyl reissues but I did that to support WMG.

As for my irritation with Prince being personal, it's no more personal than when a taxi driver is supposed to pick me up at a certain time and doesn't show up, or when a landscaper charges me a bunch of money to plant some trees and shrubs and then fails to perform the work as agreed. To quote Michael Corleone, it's not personal, it's strictly business. I would expect an explanation from anyone who agrees to perform a service at a certain time and fails to do it. And I post negative feedback on various websites when someone jerks me around, whether it's the landscaper breaching his contract or Prince. Even if I get my money back or the problems are fixed, I'll write a negative review on Angie's List or another site if I'm not pleased with the way the person handled it. The same goes for leaving negative feedback on eBay or discogs.com for people who sell me records that never show up.

I think what is most upsetting to people here is the lack of any explanation from Prince, not the fact that he cancelled. Every big artist has to cancel from time to time but no one treats his fans, or customers, as disrespectfully as Prince does.

[Edited 8/27/11 9:28am]

That's a normal reaction. somehow implying that Prince or any artist should therefore be on the hook for people's airfare, hotel, car rentals, et al. is not realistic and pointless. If my flight gets cancelled am I going to call Delta or Paisley Park? Being upset is normal and expected being overly dramatic is useless to anyone trying to find out what recourse they may have in this situation. What see a lot of on this site in this circumstance is a 'mob mentality' forms. People who've been in the situation grab a torch and inflame the newer offendees. They don't offer advice on getting refunds or how to deal with airlines, hotel etc. Just a whole bunch of negative spewing.

HonestMan13 said:

electricberet said:

Not sure why you don't respect everyone in this thread, instead of just one person, but the highlighted sentence applies to me too. I could have gone to LA to see one of the concerts (and wanted to) but chose not to because of the possibility of cancellation, having learned my lesson from Dallas. So Prince missed out on some money that he would have gotten from me if not for his past behavior. I did buy the recent vinyl reissues but I did that to support WMG.

As for my irritation with Prince being personal, it's no more personal than when a taxi driver is supposed to pick me up at a certain time and doesn't show up, or when a landscaper charges me a bunch of money to plant some trees and shrubs and then fails to perform the work as agreed. To quote Michael Corleone, it's not personal, it's strictly business. I would expect an explanation from anyone who agrees to perform a service at a certain time and fails to do it. And I post negative feedback on various websites when someone jerks me around, whether it's the landscaper breaching his contract or Prince. Even if I get my money back or the problems are fixed, I'll write a negative review on Angie's List or another site if I'm not pleased with the way the person handled it. The same goes for leaving negative feedback on eBay or discogs.com for people who sell me records that never show up.

I think what is most upsetting to people here is the lack of any explanation from Prince, not the fact that he cancelled. Every big artist has to cancel from time to time but no one treats his fans, or customers, as disrespectfully as Prince does.

[Edited 8/27/11 9:28am]

That's a normal reaction. somehow implying that Prince or any artist should therefore be on the hook for people's airfare, hotel, car rentals, et al. is not realistic and pointless. If my flight gets cancelled am I going to call Delta or Paisley Park? Being upset is normal and expected being overly dramatic is useless to anyone trying to find out what recourse they may have in this situation. What see a lot of on this site in this circumstance is a 'mob mentality' forms. People who've been in the situation grab a torch and inflame the newer offendees. They don't offer advice on getting refunds or how to deal with airlines, hotel etc. Just a whole bunch of negative spewing.

I added some more to my post above while you were writing yours. I admit that Prince is different from the other service providers I mentioned because I grew up loving his music and once admired him for creating it. So it is more upsetting when he acts like a fool than it is when a random person on eBay pulls similar antics.

And as for inflaming newer offendees, I never got an honest explanation from Prince as to why he bailed on the Dallas concert (not that I would expect one). So I'm still in the category of newer offendees as far as I'm concerned.

"Do you own your masters, Charlie Brown?"

HonestMan13 said:

Prince to my knowledge does not own an airline, hotel, car rental service or approve people vacation schedules. He is on the hook for a ticket refund. Everything else is at the risk of the buyer and then they should protect themselves with trip insurance. since everyone on the org documents every canncelled concert this should not be a 'surprise expense' to add on to any trip you plan revolving around Prince.

That, right there, is the bottom line. Prince is not responsible for decisions other people make. If someone wants to shell out megabucks to fly halfway around the world to see a concert, that's on them. If they try to do it on the cheap and don't get a refundable ticket - or don't buy insurance - how is that Prince's fault? What if they got sick and couldn't go? Or what if their flight got cancelled and they missed the show? Would they still expect a refund? I mean...they're still out something, right?

It is amazing to me that people expect Prince to take responsibility - not just for his actions - but for theirs. Booking a trip is a choice. And booking a trip solely to see a concert is a very risky choice.

Don't gamble what you can't afford to lose.

Genesia said:

HonestMan13 said:

Prince to my knowledge does not own an airline, hotel, car rental service or approve people vacation schedules. He is on the hook for a ticket refund. Everything else is at the risk of the buyer and then they should protect themselves with trip insurance. since everyone on the org documents every canncelled concert this should not be a 'surprise expense' to add on to any trip you plan revolving around Prince.

That, right there, is the bottom line. Prince is not responsible for decisions other people make. If someone wants to shell out megabucks to fly halfway around the world to see a concert, that's on them. If they try to do it on the cheap and don't get a refundable ticket - or don't buy insurance - how is that Prince's fault? What if they got sick and couldn't go? Or what if their flight got cancelled and they missed the show? Would they still expect a refund? I mean...they're still out something, right?

It is amazing to me that people expect Prince to take responsibility - not just for his actions - but for theirs. Booking a trip is a choice. And booking a trip solely to see a concert is a very risky choice.

Don't gamble what you can't afford to lose.

Somebody finally gets it!

He needs to do a full South American tour, to make up for this.

Genesia said:

HonestMan13 said:

Prince to my knowledge does not own an airline, hotel, car rental service or approve people vacation schedules. He is on the hook for a ticket refund. Everything else is at the risk of the buyer and then they should protect themselves with trip insurance. since everyone on the org documents every canncelled concert this should not be a 'surprise expense' to add on to any trip you plan revolving around Prince.

That, right there, is the bottom line. Prince is not responsible for decisions other people make. If someone wants to shell out megabucks to fly halfway around the world to see a concert, that's on them. If they try to do it on the cheap and don't get a refundable ticket - or don't buy insurance - how is that Prince's fault? What if they got sick and couldn't go? Or what if their flight got cancelled and they missed the show? Would they still expect a refund? I mean...they're still out something, right?

It is amazing to me that people expect Prince to take responsibility - not just for his actions - but for theirs. Booking a trip is a choice. And booking a trip solely to see a concert is a very risky choice.

Don't gamble what you can't afford to lose.

Following this advice, many people simply will not be able to afford going to a Prince concert unless he comes to their own town. A refundable airline ticket can cost three times as much as a nonrefundable ticket, or more. And trip insurance generally doesn't cover issues that were foreseeable when you bought your ticket--which a Prince concert cancellation certainly is. That's why I suggested (only half-jokingly) that there should be a special insurance plan for Prince concert cancellations. The other issues you mention would be covered by trip insurance, but generally not a concert cancellation, and certainly not a cancellation by an artist with a track record of not showing up. Don't believe me? Look at some policies and their terms and conditions. I did.

If you live in a place like London, New York, or Los Angeles, or within a short drive or train ride of a city like that, or if you've been lucky enough to see him multiple times already, it's all very well to say you aren't going to travel to see Prince. But not all of us live in those places, so we have to take some risks if we want to see Prince live, and not all of us have seen so many Prince concerts that we have become jaded about the experience. We know we have no legal recourse against hotel and airline companies. We're lucky to get a refund on the concert tickets. But if you think we should just shut up and take it from Prince, I would ask, who do you think you're sticking up for? If everyone followed your advice, Prince would sell fewer tickets and might have to cut back on the extra shows in places like NY and LA. So don't act like we're the haters and you're Prince's loyal defenders. He's like an addict who needs an intervention, and people who defend his actions are his enablers.

My wife has never been to a Prince concert, and Dallas would have been her first. I'd like to take my son to see a Prince concert when he's older. But none of us are going to make a trip to LA or NY just to see him and end up like the Griswolds at Walley World when he cancels:

You don't care whether my family ever goes to a Prince concert? You think we're morons for even wanting to go? Fine. We'll spend our entertainment money on something else. But I expect Prince would like to sell tickets to us and others like us, because that's how he makes a living these days. If he had more fans, he would sell more tickets, which means he wouldn't have to cancel as often and would be able to travel to more cities. If he treats his existing fans like crap, I don't think he's going to acquire many new ones. So maybe he should at least pretend to care, and until he does I'm certainly not going to shut up about it.

[Edited 8/27/11 21:31pm]

HonestMan13 said:

That's a normal reaction. somehow implying that Prince or any artist should therefore be on the hook for people's airfare, hotel, car rentals, et al. is not realistic and pointless.

So why assume we do?

Being upset is normal and expected being overly dramatic is useless to anyone trying to find out what recourse they may have in this situation. What see a lot of on this site in this circumstance is a 'mob mentality' forms. People who've been in the situation grab a torch and inflame the newer offendees. They don't offer advice on getting refunds or how to deal with airlines, hotel etc. Just a whole bunch of negative spewing.

That is only secondary.

P cancels without explaining himself properly.

That is the beginning of all evil.

Next of course is the fight with getting a refund on your non-cancellable airfare, hotel or whatever.

By focussing on the money issue you completely forget about mr Prince.

electricberet said:

Genesia said:

That, right there, is the bottom line. Prince is not responsible for decisions other people make. If someone wants to shell out megabucks to fly halfway around the world to see a concert, that's on them. If they try to do it on the cheap and don't get a refundable ticket - or don't buy insurance - how is that Prince's fault? What if they got sick and couldn't go? Or what if their flight got cancelled and they missed the show? Would they still expect a refund? I mean...they're still out something, right?

It is amazing to me that people expect Prince to take responsibility - not just for his actions - but for theirs. Booking a trip is a choice. And booking a trip solely to see a concert is a very risky choice.

Don't gamble what you can't afford to lose.

Following this advice, many people simply will not be able to afford going to a Prince concert unless he comes to their own town. A refundable airline ticket can cost three times as much as a nonrefundable ticket, or more. And trip insurance generally doesn't cover issues that were foreseeable when you bought your ticket--which a Prince concert cancellation certainly is. That's why I suggested (only half-jokingly) that there should be a special insurance plan for Prince concert cancellations. The other issues you mention would be covered by trip insurance, but generally not a concert cancellation, and certainly not a cancellation by an artist with a track record of not showing up. Don't believe me? Look at some policies and their terms and conditions. I did.

If you live in a place like London, New York, or Los Angeles, or within a short drive or train ride of a city like that, or if you've been lucky enough to see him multiple times already, it's all very well to say you aren't going to travel to see Prince. But not all of us live in those places, so we have to take some risks if we want to see Prince live, and not all of us have seen so many Prince concerts that we have become jaded about the experience. We know we have no legal recourse against hotel and airline companies. We're lucky to get a refund on the concert tickets. But if you think we should just shut up and take it from Prince, I would ask, who do you think you're sticking up for? If everyone followed your advice, Prince would sell fewer tickets and might have to cut back on the extra shows in places like NY and LA. So don't act like we're the haters and you're Prince's loyal defenders. He's like an addict who needs an intervention, and people who defend his actions are his enablers.

My wife has never been to a Prince concert, and Dallas would have been her first. I'd like to take my son to see a Prince concert when he's older. But none of us are going to make a trip to LA or NY just to see him and end up like the Griswolds at Walley World when he cancels:

You don't care whether my family ever goes to a Prince concert? You think we're morons for even wanting to go? Fine. We'll spend our entertainment money on something else. But I expect Prince would like to sell tickets to us and others like us, because that's how he makes a living these days. If he had more fans, he would sell more tickets, which means he wouldn't have to cancel as often and would be able to travel to more cities. If he treats his existing fans like crap, I don't think he's going to acquire many new ones. So maybe he should at least pretend to care, and until he does I'm certainly not going to shut up about it.

Nothing you said in your little rant challenges my assertion that going to a Prince concert is a choice. You opted for a risky, high-priced ticket, in part (I suspect) so you could play the bigshot. Well, congratulations. The concert was cancelled - through no fault of Prince's. (I wouldn't perform if the terms of my contract weren't fulfilled, either.) For what those tickets cost, you could have gone to LA - and probably seen multiple shows in a single weekend. Again, your choice.

Oh - and let the record show that it was you who used the word moron - not I. And, no - I don't care whether you and your family ever see Prince. It is entirely up to you - and no skin off my nose either way.

suomynona said:

Chiquetet said:

Maybe someone might be bothered doing some stats on what percentage of shows artists cancel on average.

Prince has had to cancel a number of concerts, yes, but he also tours a heck of a lot - possibly moreso than most acts that would be subject to the same level of fan scrutiny.

I'm not saying there isn't a problem here - some of those cancellations did seem a little fishy, I know - but since he tends not to release any info about his side of the story, in many cases we'll never know. Just like we currently don't know what's prompted this cancellation and, perhaps if we knew, most people would have a different attitude towards it all.

Absolutely none of this changes the fact that it is obviously terribly sad for those who planned to see him in Rio, particularly those with travel plans in order to do so, but I don't see why this should be another reason for people completely unaffected by this news to go another round of Prince-bashing.

I also find it interesting that the fact that he was doing a concert in Brazil was never considered important enough to be a news item on the homepage, but within hours (if not less) of this thread being created, it hit the front page - a pattern for all the bad news stories and so rarely true for the good ones.

1. Prince doesn't tour like an average band does anymore. Not since Musicology (?) has he toured on a regular basis. Why? Because it's more about the money. If Prince can make more money playing 50 nights in a row at a Holiday Inn in Wyoming -- instead of hitting 50 different cities to play to as many fans as possible, then that's what he's going to do.

2. Prince is the *ONLY* artist that I can think of that doesn't stay in touch with fans on tour information. Most artists have a Facebook page, or an official Twitter account -- or even an official website. That sword cuts both ways when it comes to Prince. 95% of what comes out of Prince's mouth, I could do without -- so I am pretty happy about the lack of social networking that Prince does. I miss the pre-internet days where we would get a interview when a new album came out -- and that's it. When it was about the music -- and fuck warner for not putting out a 3 disc version of SOTT. Instead, everytime Prince opens his trap, we end up on the ORG saying, "WTF did Prince say?" Ugh. So yeah, an official site would be nice, but none of us are ignorant enough to think that he would use it to say, "Hey -- I'm sorry, can't make it to Rio -- so and so had chlamydia, and now I do. Thus, my vocal chords are screwed up. And you don't have to tell me. Nobody wants to hear Shelby sing anymore than she already is at concerts, so I'm canceling. I'm sorry, please forgive me." That would never happen. No version of it. The only time you'd hear something is that it's time to re-up at $77777 for 7 more months.

3. People bash Prince because that's the environment that Prince has created for fans of his music. If he didn't say, "Fuck YOU" at every turn, then people wouldn't be this way. Fans are just as guilty. Took me a while to learn that. So I added the ORG for news stories in case there was a tour, or news of remasters -- but again -- the only news that ever comes up is a different remix of Prince's version of 3 girls and a cup.

4. Are you serious? The only reason this made the front page is because otherwise fans in Rio (and those unfortunate fans that flew in for Rio) would not hear about it otherwise. Nobody visits Dr. Funkenberry's website on a regular basis hoping for Prince news. They go there when it is linked to from the ORG. The only way Prince fans are told anything of value is through the ORG. It's been that way since Ben started this website, and unfortunately Prince never learns from mistakes (thedawn.com, love4oneanother.com, lotusflow3r.com, npgmc.com), so this will remain the only website to get the truth about what is going on musically with Prince. That is why this news story made the front page.

Lastly, kudos to whoever made this a front page news story. If you saved anyone that long-ass flight -- made it possible for them to get their money back for their hotel room, etc, then you deserve to be applauded in my book.

Actually he does have a twitter account and this is what he posted: Quote:"Sorry Rio. Not Everythin' Goes 2 plan"

style66 said:

suomynona said:

1. Prince doesn't tour like an average band does anymore. Not since Musicology (?) has he toured on a regular basis. Why? Because it's more about the money. If Prince can make more money playing 50 nights in a row at a Holiday Inn in Wyoming -- instead of hitting 50 different cities to play to as many fans as possible, then that's what he's going to do.

2. Prince is the *ONLY* artist that I can think of that doesn't stay in touch with fans on tour information. Most artists have a Facebook page, or an official Twitter account -- or even an official website. That sword cuts both ways when it comes to Prince. 95% of what comes out of Prince's mouth, I could do without -- so I am pretty happy about the lack of social networking that Prince does. I miss the pre-internet days where we would get a interview when a new album came out -- and that's it. When it was about the music -- and fuck warner for not putting out a 3 disc version of SOTT. Instead, everytime Prince opens his trap, we end up on the ORG saying, "WTF did Prince say?" Ugh. So yeah, an official site would be nice, but none of us are ignorant enough to think that he would use it to say, "Hey -- I'm sorry, can't make it to Rio -- so and so had chlamydia, and now I do. Thus, my vocal chords are screwed up. And you don't have to tell me. Nobody wants to hear Shelby sing anymore than she already is at concerts, so I'm canceling. I'm sorry, please forgive me." That would never happen. No version of it. The only time you'd hear something is that it's time to re-up at $77777 for 7 more months.

3. People bash Prince because that's the environment that Prince has created for fans of his music. If he didn't say, "Fuck YOU" at every turn, then people wouldn't be this way. Fans are just as guilty. Took me a while to learn that. So I added the ORG for news stories in case there was a tour, or news of remasters -- but again -- the only news that ever comes up is a different remix of Prince's version of 3 girls and a cup.

4. Are you serious? The only reason this made the front page is because otherwise fans in Rio (and those unfortunate fans that flew in for Rio) would not hear about it otherwise. Nobody visits Dr. Funkenberry's website on a regular basis hoping for Prince news. They go there when it is linked to from the ORG. The only way Prince fans are told anything of value is through the ORG. It's been that way since Ben started this website, and unfortunately Prince never learns from mistakes (thedawn.com, love4oneanother.com, lotusflow3r.com, npgmc.com), so this will remain the only website to get the truth about what is going on musically with Prince. That is why this news story made the front page.

Lastly, kudos to whoever made this a front page news story. If you saved anyone that long-ass flight -- made it possible for them to get their money back for their hotel room, etc, then you deserve to be applauded in my book.

Actually he does have a twitter account and this is what he posted: Quote:"Sorry Rio. Not Everythin' Goes 2 plan"

He doesn't have a twitter account. that's a fake one!

Genesia said:

Nothing you said in your little rant challenges my assertion that going to a Prince concert is a choice. You opted for a risky, high-priced ticket, in part (I suspect) so you could play the bigshot. Well, congratulations. The concert was cancelled - through no fault of Prince's. (I wouldn't perform if the terms of my contract weren't fulfilled, either.) For what those tickets cost, you could have gone to LA - and probably seen multiple shows in a single weekend. Again, your choice.

Oh - and let the record show that it was you who used the word moron - not I. And, no - I don't care whether you and your family ever see Prince. It is entirely up to you - and no skin off my nose either way.

Yes, going to a Prince concert is a choice. Prince also made a choice to enter into a contract with some third-rate amateur promoters in Dallas when he could have smelled a rat and walked away. Seems like he has chosen to do this again if what we're hearing about the Rio organizers is true. I made a choice not to fly to LA not because I couldn't afford the trip, but because I didn't want to waste money and time to go to a concert that might not materialize. I didn't find out about Prince's history of cancelling concerts until I had already bought the Dallas tickets, and I'm not going to end up in that situation again.

Thanks for confirming that you don't care about whether I or my family go to see Prince in the future. Now can you explain why you care when people complain about what Prince does? Has he done you any special favors lately? There are lot of people in the world deserving of sympathy, but he isn't one of them. It's hard to understand why someone would care enough about him to want to defend him, but not care that he's losing his fans by blowing off their concerns.

And, by the way, I didn't buy those expensive Dallas tickets to "play the bigshot." There were no cheaper tickets available for that concert (but there were VIP tickets that were more expensive). If Prince had played the American Airlines Center I would have bought normal seats like everyone else, because that's what I've done for every concert I've attended before and after Prince's non-visit. Interesting that you don't know me but you assume that I'm an egotistical person, in contrast (I suppose) to the obviously humble Mr. Nelson.

[Edited 8/28/11 11:46am]

electricberet said:

Yes, going to a Prince concert is a choice. Prince also made a choice to enter into a contract with some third-rate amateur promoters in Dallas when he could have smelled a rat and walked away. Seems like he has chosen to do this again if what we're hearing about the Rio organizers is true. I made a choice not to fly to LA not because I couldn't afford the trip, but because I didn't want to waste money and time to go to a concert that might not materialize. I didn't find out about Prince's history of cancelling concerts until I had already bought the Dallas tickets, and I'm not going to end up in that situation again.

- Agreed. Now that we are talking about choices, Prince should be very experienced and do the correct ones too.

electricberet said:

Genesia said:

Nothing you said in your little rant challenges my assertion that going to a Prince concert is a choice. You opted for a risky, high-priced ticket, in part (I suspect) so you could play the bigshot. Well, congratulations. The concert was cancelled - through no fault of Prince's. (I wouldn't perform if the terms of my contract weren't fulfilled, either.) For what those tickets cost, you could have gone to LA - and probably seen multiple shows in a single weekend. Again, your choice.

Oh - and let the record show that it was you who used the word moron - not I. And, no - I don't care whether you and your family ever see Prince. It is entirely up to you - and no skin off my nose either way.

Yes, going to a Prince concert is a choice. Prince also made a choice to enter into a contract with some third-rate amateur promoters in Dallas when he could have smelled a rat and walked away. Seems like he has chosen to do this again if what we're hearing about the Rio organizers is true. I made a choice not to fly to LA not because I couldn't afford the trip, but because I didn't want to waste money and time to go to a concert that might not materialize. I didn't find out about Prince's history of cancelling concerts until I had already bought the Dallas tickets, and I'm not going to end up in that situation again.

Thanks for confirming that you don't care about whether I or my family go to see Prince in the future. Now can you explain why you care when people complain about what Prince does? Has he done you any special favors lately? There are lot of people in the world deserving of sympathy, but he isn't one of them. It's hard to understand why someone would care enough about him to want to defend him, but not care that he's losing his fans by blowing off their concerns.

And, by the way, I didn't buy those expensive Dallas tickets to "play the bigshot." There were no cheaper tickets available for that concert (but there were VIP tickets that were more expensive). If Prince had played the American Airlines Center I would have bought normal seats like everyone else, because that's what I've done for every concert I've attended before and after Prince's non-visit. Interesting that you don't know me but you assume that I'm an egotistical person, in contrast (I suppose) to the obviously humble Mr. Nelson.

[Edited 8/28/11 11:46am]

I hate that the Brazil concert got cancel; but some of you all act like he cancels a lot concerts like 1 in 5 or 1 in 10 etc. etc. For example since the W2A concerts how many W2A concerts were cancelled and not reschedule??? I know he has played a hell of bunch of concerts since W2A started, ....NYC, San Jose, The Carolinas, LA, Oakland, and then Europe!!!

Let me just make it clear again that we - me and most brasilian fans I read commenting on the web - arent angry at Prince and we understand that he had his reasons to cancel. That´s not the point. We are only annoyed because:

1) it´s not every year he performs here. Most of us never saw Prince live

2) It was cancelled too close to the event and some people lost money

3) the concert probably wont be rescheduled

4) No explanation about the real causes.

In other words: we are still fans, we will still buy Prince´s music, but these points above left us frustrated. We arent being dramatic, like some orgers here believe.

[Edited 8/28/11 15:27pm]

Astasheiks said:

electricberet said:

Yes, going to a Prince concert is a choice. Prince also made a choice to enter into a contract with some third-rate amateur promoters in Dallas when he could have smelled a rat and walked away. Seems like he has chosen to do this again if what we're hearing about the Rio organizers is true. I made a choice not to fly to LA not because I couldn't afford the trip, but because I didn't want to waste money and time to go to a concert that might not materialize. I didn't find out about Prince's history of cancelling concerts until I had already bought the Dallas tickets, and I'm not going to end up in that situation again.

Thanks for confirming that you don't care about whether I or my family go to see Prince in the future. Now can you explain why you care when people complain about what Prince does? Has he done you any special favors lately? There are lot of people in the world deserving of sympathy, but he isn't one of them. It's hard to understand why someone would care enough about him to want to defend him, but not care that he's losing his fans by blowing off their concerns.

And, by the way, I didn't buy those expensive Dallas tickets to "play the bigshot." There were no cheaper tickets available for that concert (but there were VIP tickets that were more expensive). If Prince had played the American Airlines Center I would have bought normal seats like everyone else, because that's what I've done for every concert I've attended before and after Prince's non-visit. Interesting that you don't know me but you assume that I'm an egotistical person, in contrast (I suppose) to the obviously humble Mr. Nelson.

[Edited 8/28/11 11:46am]

I hate that the Brazil concert got cancel; but some of you all act like he cancels a lot concerts like 1 in 5 or 1 in 10 etc. etc. For example since the W2A concerts how many W2A concerts were cancelled and not reschedule??? I know he has played a hell of bunch of concerts since W2A started, ....NYC, San Jose, The Carolinas, LA, Oakland, and then Europe!!!

The only one I recall being cancelled was the IZOD show and that was replace with a show at MSG a month later. The Dallas show and this one in Brazil are the only one recently.

HonestMan13 said:

Astasheiks said:

I hate that the Brazil concert got cancel; but some of you all act like he cancels a lot concerts like 1 in 5 or 1 in 10 etc. etc. For example since the W2A concerts how many W2A concerts were cancelled and not reschedule??? I know he has played a hell of bunch of concerts since W2A started, ....NYC, San Jose, The Carolinas, LA, Oakland, and then Europe!!!

The only one I recall being cancelled was the IZOD show and that was replace with a show at MSG a month later. The Dallas show and this one in Brazil are the only one recently.

I haven't kept track of all the cancellations. I had never heard of Croke Park until after the Dallas non-concert, for example. I have heard great things about the various W2A residencies and I'm happy for those of you who got to see him. I just hope that threads like this one get the message out to fans that travelling to see a Prince concert (at least of the one-off variety) is a risky endeavor, so that they can make an informed choice. Everyone seems to agree on that.

[Edited 8/28/11 19:14pm]

Just read another comment of a Prince fan that went to Chaka concert at the Festival. She confirmed that a Prince concert would be very likely to have some kind of trouble. Unfortunately, it seems that the B2B organizers arent prepared for a concert in Prince´s standards.

In portuguese: ""Gente, ontem eu fui no Back2Black, foi tudo ótimo e tals (Chaka Khan arrasou e o Jorge Ben me surpreendeu positivamente), mas se tivesse show do Prince ali COM CERTEZA iria dar merda. O palco do Prince estava muito longe do restante da Leopoldina, os shows atrasaram ( como era o esperado), e o palco em si era uma porcaria. Sem, contar que o povo que só foi ver os shows do Palco Oi COM CERTEZA iriam dar dum jeito de burlar e assistir o show do Prince tb..."

electricberet said:

Following this advice, many people simply will not be able to afford going to a Prince concert unless he comes to their own town. A refundable airline ticket can cost three times as much as a nonrefundable ticket, or more. And trip insurance generally doesn't cover issues that were foreseeable when you bought your ticket--which a Prince concert cancellation certainly is. That's why I suggested (only half-jokingly) that there should be a special insurance plan for Prince concert cancellations. The other issues you mention would be covered by trip insurance, but generally not a concert cancellation, and certainly not a cancellation by an artist with a track record of not showing up. Don't believe me? Look at some policies and their terms and conditions. I did.

I actually think that "Purple Insurance" could be a reasonable business idea. Whether as a side arm of PPE or a completely independent company, they could market to Prince fans (and potentially beyond) and make it feasible again for people to travel to see concerts again.

My travel agent actually wrote it into my travel package that I was travelling for the sole purpose of seeing Prince perform, which she hoped (it wasn't guaranteed) would mean I could claim on my travel insurance if he cancelled, much like what people do if they're travelling for a wedding or other special event that is subsequently cancelled or postponed.

I doubt many insurers do that though, so a dedicated company that covers travel and ticket costs (meaning they would chase up promoters, airlines, hotels, etc... after your refund is already on its way to you) would be excellent.

Imagine if it were connected to Prince...the profit margins would ideally be calculated based on average concert cancellation rates (of all comparable artists). If his stats are better than average, he gets more profit. If they are below average, he loses money. So the incentive is to be at least as reliable, if not more so, than his peers.

I still wonder if that's already the case (given how many concerts that do go ahead successfully), but at least it would offer financial reparations to the unlucky % who miss out.

As for everyone being so keen for him to explain why the concert was cancelled, I understand that it's more a gesture than anything else, but I can't help but think that if he did release a statement, it would be judged, overanalysed, people would be cynical as to whether or not it was the truth, etc... and in the end, no one even feels better about not getting to see him.

It sounds good in theory, but I really don't think it's a huge deal that he hasn't shared the details.

The much broader issue of Prince rebuilding his connection, trust and rapport with his fanbase would be infinitely more useful, imo.

Chiquetet said:

electricberet said:

Following this advice, many people simply will not be able to afford going to a Prince concert unless he comes to their own town. A refundable airline ticket can cost three times as much as a nonrefundable ticket, or more. And trip insurance generally doesn't cover issues that were foreseeable when you bought your ticket--which a Prince concert cancellation certainly is. That's why I suggested (only half-jokingly) that there should be a special insurance plan for Prince concert cancellations. The other issues you mention would be covered by trip insurance, but generally not a concert cancellation, and certainly not a cancellation by an artist with a track record of not showing up. Don't believe me? Look at some policies and their terms and conditions. I did.

I actually think that "Purple Insurance" could be a reasonable business idea. Whether as a side arm of PPE or a completely independent company, they could market to Prince fans (and potentially beyond) and make it feasible again for people to travel to see concerts again.

My travel agent actually wrote it into my travel package that I was travelling for the sole purpose of seeing Prince perform, which she hoped (it wasn't guaranteed) would mean I could claim on my travel insurance if he cancelled, much like what people do if they're travelling for a wedding or other special event that is subsequently cancelled or postponed.

I doubt many insurers do that though, so a dedicated company that covers travel and ticket costs (meaning they would chase up promoters, airlines, hotels, etc... after your refund is already on its way to you) would be excellent.

Imagine if it were connected to Prince...the profit margins would ideally be calculated based on average concert cancellation rates (of all comparable artists). If his stats are better than average, he gets more profit. If they are below average, he loses money. So the incentive is to be at least as reliable, if not more so, than his peers.

I still wonder if that's already the case (given how many concerts that do go ahead successfully), but at least it would offer financial reparations to the unlucky % who miss out.

As for everyone being so keen for him to explain why the concert was cancelled, I understand that it's more a gesture than anything else, but I can't help but think that if he did release a statement, it would be judged, overanalysed, people would be cynical as to whether or not it was the truth, etc... and in the end, no one even feels better about not getting to see him.

It sounds good in theory, but I really don't think it's a huge deal that he hasn't shared the details.

The much broader issue of Prince rebuilding his connection, trust and rapport with his fanbase would be infinitely more useful, imo.

"Purple Insurance" sounds like a great name. Since Prince shows up more often than he cancels, it could be profitable if enough people buy it, as you note. But if it were offered by Prince himself, there would be the added problem of not being sure whether he would actually pay up if he cancelled. He doesn't exactly have a perfect track record when it comes to paying creditors.

I also agree with you that Prince would have a hard time making anyone happy with a statement. But that's partly because the reason for these odd cancellations may be a lack of adequate ticket sales, which would not satisfy fans as an explanation. If Prince didn't try to create his own unique business model (which involves trying to do as much as possible himself rather than through industry middlemen), he wouldn't need to deal with third-rate promoters, and he wouldn't have to cancel as often. Then, an occasional cancellation and apology for a legitimate reason (such as someone being sick, or real travel problems) would be accepted by the fans, I think.

[Edited 8/29/11 1:19am]

I´m brazilian and I was sooooo excited about the show...so, you all can imagine my frustration...

So, Mr. Nelson, when are you coming for real????

electricberet said:

Chiquetet said:

I actually think that "Purple Insurance" could be a reasonable business idea. Whether as a side arm of PPE or a completely independent company, they could market to Prince fans (and potentially beyond) and make it feasible again for people to travel to see concerts again.

My travel agent actually wrote it into my travel package that I was travelling for the sole purpose of seeing Prince perform, which she hoped (it wasn't guaranteed) would mean I could claim on my travel insurance if he cancelled, much like what people do if they're travelling for a wedding or other special event that is subsequently cancelled or postponed.

I doubt many insurers do that though, so a dedicated company that covers travel and ticket costs (meaning they would chase up promoters, airlines, hotels, etc... after your refund is already on its way to you) would be excellent.

Imagine if it were connected to Prince...the profit margins would ideally be calculated based on average concert cancellation rates (of all comparable artists). If his stats are better than average, he gets more profit. If they are below average, he loses money. So the incentive is to be at least as reliable, if not more so, than his peers.

I still wonder if that's already the case (given how many concerts that do go ahead successfully), but at least it would offer financial reparations to the unlucky % who miss out.

As for everyone being so keen for him to explain why the concert was cancelled, I understand that it's more a gesture than anything else, but I can't help but think that if he did release a statement, it would be judged, overanalysed, people would be cynical as to whether or not it was the truth, etc... and in the end, no one even feels better about not getting to see him.

It sounds good in theory, but I really don't think it's a huge deal that he hasn't shared the details.

The much broader issue of Prince rebuilding his connection, trust and rapport with his fanbase would be infinitely more useful, imo.

"Purple Insurance" sounds like a great name. Since Prince shows up more often than he cancels, it could be profitable if enough people buy it, as you note. But if it were offered by Prince himself, there would be the added problem of not being sure whether he would actually pay up if he cancelled. He doesn't exactly have a perfect track record when it comes to paying creditors.

I also agree with you that Prince would have a hard time making anyone happy with a statement. But that's partly because the reason for these odd cancellations may be a lack of adequate ticket sales, which would not satisfy fans as an explanation. If Prince didn't try to create his own unique business model (which involves trying to do as much as possible himself rather than through industry middlemen), he wouldn't need to deal with third-rate promoters, and he wouldn't have to cancel as often. Then, an occasional cancellation and apology for a legitimate reason (such as someone being sick, or real travel problems) would be accepted by the fans, I think.

[Edited 8/29/11 1:19am]

It seems his travelling fanbase are dealing with third rate travel agencies so they're even!

Prince never issued public statements regarding his actions in the 30 years he's been in the music business so why does anyone expect him to start doing so now. You said it yourself he's a jerk!

"Imagine... holding planet earth in the palm of your hand"

Unfortunately, there are many parts of the so-called planet which don't "live 2 get funky", at least not by the purple one...not surprisingly, all those places share almost the same features

20 years we have been waiting 2 see him over here, and while i never considered the Rio gig as real as it did seem, i sure got excited about it, bought my plane ticket, booked an apartment and all the stuff

Many things have changed ever since the shows in Rio & Argentina... in 1990, P was around here asking 2 get 2 his hotel cheap models whom he saw on TV

The experience wasn't as pleasant as in other countries... U can tell that by the length of his shows

Now it's all about the mighty J...and the most popular girl in the whole wide world 2day

Like Gustavo, i didn't get mad or anything... a huge sadness invaded me, still glimpses of it remain

But now, for sure, i doubt he'll ever come back... The reasons may be simple, as visible as the differences between Rio and Paris, or Buenos Aires and Copenhague

Is anybody hot here in LatinAmerica? no... u know why? cuz we've been cooled off...

[Edited 9/2/11 8:27am]

HelFromInfra said:

"Imagine... holding planet earth in the palm of your hand"

Unfortunately, there are many parts of the so-called planet which don't "live 2 get funky", at least not by the purple one...not surprisingly, all those places share almost the same features

20 years we have been waiting 2 see him over here, and while i never considered the Rio gig as real as it did seem, i sure got excited about it, bought my plane ticket, booked an apartment and all the stuff

Many things have changed ever since the shows in Rio & Argentina... in 1990, P was around here asking 2 get 2 his hotel cheap models whom he saw on TV

The experience wasn't as pleasant as in other countries... U can tell that by the length of his shows

Now it's all about the mighty J...and the most popular girl in the whole wide world 2day

Like Gustavo, i didn't get mad or anything... a huge sadness invaded me, still glimpses of it remain

But now, for sure, i doubt he'll ever come back... The reasons may be simple, as visible as the differences between Rio and Paris, or Buenos Aires and Copenhague

Is anybody hot here in LatinAmerica? no... u know why? cuz we've been cooled off...

[Edited 9/2/11 8:27am]

wow.

Yeah, no mad at all, but very very very sad...I still am...

imago said:

udo said:

Helsinki 2010
Geneva 2010 (twice, and yes he chose the local promotor/producer)

Holy shit.

Prince really doesn't give a toss about his fans, does he?

London, Wembley Stadium 1987... anybody remember that one? I had tickets. 17 yrs old, huge fan at the time, and massively disappointed at the cancellation. It was supposed to be 'in the round', and on the reverse of the tickets was all sorts of info re: filming of the gig etc. I know that's on the back of every ticket, but it made me think that the SOTT film might have been planned for London... who knows? Still... just goes to show there's a long history of last minute cancellations with little or no explanation. It didn't stop me buying a ticket for Malahide castle this year tho, and the risk paid off - awesome show. Not quite Lovesexy, but still truly awesome.

At this point, who would risk money on a trip to see him, when he's cancelled so many shows at the last moment and without explanation?

Astasheiks said:

some of you all act like he cancels a lot concerts

Shows that were cancelled (not mentioning the ones that were rescheduled or cancelled before being announced.)

(I got this list a few years ago from JooZt at HQ...let me know if you see any errors)

03 dec 79: Atlanta, GA: Capri Ballroom

05 dec 79: Philadelphia, PA: Bijou

06 dec 79: Philadelphia, PA: Bijou

08 dec 79: Washington D.C.: Ontario Theatre

09 dec 79: New York, NY: Bottom Line

10 dec 79: Boston, MA: Paradise

12 dec 79: Detroit, MI: Latin Quarter

13 dec 79: Chicigo, IL: Park West

14 dec 79: St. Louis, MO: Ville Auditorium

16 dec 79: Minneapolis, MN: Orpheum Theatre

30 nov 81: Detroit, MI: Pontiac Silverdome: supporting The Rolling Stones

01 dec 81: Detroit, MI: Pontiac Silverdome: supporting The Rolling Stones

18 jan 83: Amsterdam: Jaap Edenhal

26 jan 83: London: Hammersmith Odeon

15 may 83: Amsterdam: Jaap Edenhal

18 may 83: London: Dominion Theatre

19 may 83: London: Dominion Theatre

01 jul 87: London: Earl’s Court

02 jul 87: London: Earl’s Court

03 jul 87: London: Earl’s Court

04 jul 87: London: Earl’s Court

02 jul 87: Rome: Stadio Flaminio

03 jul 87: Rome: Stadio Flaminio

05 jul 87: Turin: Stadio Comunale

07 jul 87: Birmingham: NEC

08 jul 87: Birmingham: NEC

25 jan 88: Ames, IA: Hilton Coliseum

07 aug 88: Helsinki: Jaaihalli

08 aug 88: Helsinki: Jaaihalli

05 sep 88: Rome: Stadio del Marme

07 sep 88 am: Madrid: Oh! Madrid

19 oct 88: Philadelphia, PA: Spectrum

26 oct 88: Ann Arbor, MI: Crisler Arena

oct?? 88 : Lexington, KY: Rupp Arena

27 apr 90: Dublin: Royal Dublin Showgrounds

28 apr 90: Dublin: Royal Dublin Showgrounds

29 apr 90: Dublin: Royal Dublin Showgrounds

08 may 90: Helsinki

09 may 90: Helsinki

15 may 90: Oslo

22 may 90: Lyon: Hall Tony Garnier

23 may 90: Strasbourg

25 may 90: Vienna

30 may 90: Rotterdam: Ahoy’: international press preview concert

09 jun 90: Cologne: Mungersdorfer Stadion

17 jun 90: Paris: Palais des Versailles

17 jun 90: Paris: Parc des Princes

20 jul 90: Turin: Stadio Comunale

28 jul 90: Würzburg: Talaverawiesen

30 jul 90: Udine: Stadio Friuli

07 aug 90: Dortmund: Westfalenhalle

14 aug 90: Oldenburg

18 aug 90: Nimes

31 aug 91: Woodstock, Oxfordshire: Blenheim Palace

1992 Zurich Hallenstadion regular gig

03 jun 92: Cologne: Sporthalle

16 jun 92 am: London: Yard Club

01 jul 92: Mannheim: Eisstadion

14 mar 93: Columbia, SC: Township

14 mar 93: Fairfax, VA: Patriot Center

20 mar 93: New York, NY: Apollo Theatre

17 apr 93: New York, NY: Saturday Night Live

20 aug 93: San Sebastian

1994 Berne Stufenbau club gig

21 apr 94: Minneapolis, MN: Glam Slam

The complete Japan Tour 1995.

1995 Manchester Studdebaker's aftershow

02 sep 95: Cleveland, OH: Cleveland Municipal Stadium: concert for the Hall of Fame

02 sep 95: Cleveland, OH: Agora: RnR hall afterparty

30 sep 95: New York, NY: NBC Studios: Satuday Night Live

14 jun 96: Copenhagen: Valby Idrætsparken : Festival

Some Paisley Park Friday Nite shows (last minute cancellations after announcing them on the website) in the late 1990s.

14 jan 97: Pittsburgh, PA: A.J. Palumbo Center

15 jan 97: Hampton, VA: Convocation Center, Hampton University

17 jan 97: Charlotte, NC: Hornet's Training Facility

20 jan 97: Tallahassee, FL: The Moon, Florida A&M University

22 jan 97: New Orleans, LA: Saegner Theatre

24 jan 97: Dallas, TX: SMU Moody Coliseum

25 jan 97: Hattiesburg, MS: Univ. of Southern Mississippi

26 jan 97: Houston, TX: International Ballroom

13 apr 97 am: San Fransisco: DNA Lounge

22 may 97: Montreal, PQ

25 may 97: Ottawa, ON: NAC

03 jun 97: Stockholm

05 jun 97: Oslo

07 jun 97: Berlin

10 jun 97: London

26 jul 97: Columbus, OH: Polaris Amphitheatre

10 aug 97: New Orleans, LA: Lakefront Arena

27 aug 97: Columbus, OH: Polaris Amphitheatre

26 aug 97: Hampton, VA: Hampton Coliseum

14 sep 97: Meriden, CT: The Vault

09 oct 97: Los Angeles, CA: Shrine Auditorium: World Healing Honours concert

oct 97: Dublin:

01 nov 97 : Baton Rouge, LA: Riverside Centroplex Arena

23 nov 97: Baton Rouge, LA: Riverside Centroplex Arena

dec 97: Baton Rouge, LA: Riverside Centroplex Arena

18 dec 97: Peoria, IL: Civic Center

21 dec 97: Miami, FL: Glam Slam South Beach: (2 shows)

22 dec 97: Miami, FL: Glam Slam South Beach: (2 shows)

29 dec 97: Shreveport, LA

06 jan 98: Wichita, KS: The Kansas Coliseum

08 jan 98: Fort Wayne, IN : -

09 jan 98: Charleston, WV : Civic Center

15 jan 98: Albanby, NY: Pepsi Arena

16 jan 98: Worcester, MA: Centrum

22 jan 98: Indianapolis, IN : -

24 jan 98: San Diego, CA: Cox Arena

10 may 98: Birmingham, AL: Boutwell Auditorium

03 jun 98: Baton Rouge, LA: Riverside Centroplex

04 jun 98: Montgomery, AL: Joe L. Reed Acadome ASU

22 aug 98 : Paris: Les Bains Douches

01 sep 98: Rotterdam: Ahoy’

05 sep 98: Frankfurt: Festhalle

29 sep 98: Rosemont, IL: Horizon

06 oct 98: Inglewood, CA: Great Western Forum

09 oct 98: Houston, TX: Compaq Center

30 jul 99: Minneapolis, MN: Northrup Auditorium: (2 shows)

26 nov 99: Cologne: Köln-Arena: TV show

30 nov 99: Stockholm: TV show

10 dec 99: New York, NY: Chris Rock Show: TV show

02 dec 00 am: Dallas, TX: Gypsy Tea Room

Almost the complete 2001 Celebration tour (as announced by Prince on his website/newsletter, see below)...

06/15: St. Paul, MN - Xcel Energy Center

06/16: St. Paul, MN - Xcel Energy Center

06/21: Columbus, OH - Nationwide Arena

06/22: Peoria, IL - Civic Center Arena (*** only announced online, not in newsletter)

06/23: Detroit, MI - Joe Louis Arena

06/27: Omaha, NB - Auditorium

06/28: Milwaukee, WI - Summerfest

06/30: Dayton, OH - Nutter Center

07/01: Rochester, NY - Arena

07/03: Saskatoon, SK - Sask. place

07/04: Winnipeg, MB - Arena

07/07: Toronto, ON - Air Canada Center

07/10: Portland, ME - Civic Center

07/11: New Haven, CT - Coliseum

07/13: Chicago, IL - United Center

07/14: Indianapolis, IN - Conseco

07/15: Pittsburgh, PA - Mellon Arena

07/17: Savanagh, GA - Civic Center

07/18: Greenville, SC - Civic Center

07/20: Tampa, FL - Ice Palace

07/21: Columbus, GA - Civic Center

07/22: Greensboro, NC - Coliseum

07/26: Edmonton, AB - Skyreach Center

07/28: Vancouver, BC - GM Place

07/29: Seattle, WA - Key Arena

07/30: Spokane, WA - Arena

08/04: Fairbanks, AL - Carlson Center

08/05: Anchorage, AL - Sullivan Arean

(Please keep checking Ticketmaster.com 4 onsale dates and we will continue 2 send out presale info in the weeks 2 come. These r all the dates tentatively planned right mow, do not ask us about a city not listed, we do not have any additional info.

All in4mation is subject 2 change at the last minute without notice. Please check the CONCERTS section on the NPG Music Club 4 more info.

It's going 2 b a LONG HOT SUMMER!

Love4oneanother,

The NPG Music Club)

2002 Berlin aftershow

2002 Milan aftershow (Helloween: no venue available)

05 mar 02: Cincinnati, OH: Music House: due to conflicting date

04 Jun 02: Saskatoon, SK: Centennial Auditorium & Convention Centre

30 Oct 03: Honolulu, HI: Pipeline Cafe: : due to Prince illness

1 Nov 03: Maui Kahului Harbor, HI: MMCC Castle Theater

2004 New York BB King's aftershow (2nd nite)

2006 concert in Milan (after Versace show); canx after tickets were already sold

5 & 6 Jan. 2007 Las Vegas Club 3121 shows, with no explanation

August 2007 Benidorm, Spain show cancelled in late June; HQ moderator Cateto showed ticket/contract scans, was also widely reported in the media. However, a concert in London that same day had already been announced and tickets sold.