Shouldn't this thread be called 'You're a homophobe'?

Spinlight said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

If Prince were to ever tell one of his employees that she looked sexy or called her a sexy MF and it made her uncomfortable, then it could be sexual harrassment.

Well, thank God he's never done that then...

I wonder what would have happened if, during a dance rehearsal, one of his dancers performed a particular move, Prince referred to it as 'sexy', and the dancer immediately stormed off and out of the rehearsal.

Vogue (From Controversy Magazine)

Ain't talkin' about Madonna's Vogue, this is Vogue magazine, the major fashion magazine which ordered a photo shoot on Prince by noted rock photgrapher Herb Ritts. Ritts has photgraphed Madonna and many others for Rolling Stone magazine covers, so he thought that he was experienced in dealing with rock stars, but was surprised to find that Prince wasn't quite what he expected.

On the other hand, Prince was no prima donna but a professional, a perfect gentleman who was willing to sit for Ritts from 10:00am to 7:30pm with nothing but a mug of herbal tea to sustain him. On the other hand, Ritts found that what Prince is professional at is being a musician and performer, not being a fashion model. When asked to pose, jump and spin for the camera, Prince said that he felt like an idiot when he tried to dance for a photographer, that it didn't feel natural to do it for the camera. They actually got along pretty well except for this little exchange below, whereby Ritts learned not to play up to Prince the way he would one of his models. Prince was asked to stand on top of the baby blue piano:

Prince: Tell me if this makes you want to puke.

Ritts: You look sensational

Prince: I can change if you want.

Ritts: Instead of standing, why don't you perch on the edge of the piano and pretend you're playing the keys with the heels of your yellow shoes?

After Prince complied, Ritts continued.

Ritts: You look great! You look so sexy!

Prince: Burn those negatives (walking off the set in a huff)!

motherfunka said:

On the other hand, Prince was no prima donna but a professional, a perfect gentleman who was willing to sit for Ritts from 10:00am to 7:30pm with nothing but a mug of herbal tea to sustain him. On the other hand, Ritts found that what Prince is professional at is being a musician and performer, not being a fashion model. When asked to pose, jump and spin for the camera, Prince said that he felt like an idiot when he tried to dance for a photographer, that it didn't feel natural to do it for the camera.

That offers a lot more insight into the day and his mindset.

Thanks so much for posting

My best friend is 100% straight and the org is full of 100% straight men who are complimented by gay men all the time. They are comfortable enough in their own skins to take it for what it is: a compliment. Anyone want to tell them they should be rethinking their sexuality?

robinhood said:

If this is true, the correct response would have been "thanks, but no thanks." To simply walk off because someone had the audacity to pay a compliment is childish more than anything. And the people agreeing with it are equally childish.

=0P

robinhood said:

If this is what "Herb R" truly said, then I think both of them did the right thing.

At least Herb was upfront with what he was feeling for/about Prince. From there on it was Prince's call.

Herb was putting what he was feeling into words, giving Prince a clue as to maybe what he thought about Prince and wanted. Not like he was trying to become his 'friend' fiirst and then expect/hoping certain things from him. It doesn't matter what we think, more that it was Prince's choice to act on whatever he felt.

[Edited 10/1/10 17:52pm]

motherfunka said:

Spinlight said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Prince letting the dude know don't say sh*t to him!! HE only wants women saying that!! Haven't some people realized this man is as straight as an arrow?!?!?! Herb is lucky, some guys would have punched him in the face! I don't blame Prince, that's rude and crossing the line! I would have walked out too!!

It's not rude or crossing the line. You're homophobic.

This is such bullshit. I do not know any straight African-American man who would want another man calling them sexy. He got up and left and did not want to use the photos.

He did not hit the dude or rant and rave which would be homophobic.

People have a right to like what they like without having the a lable tossed on them.

Spinlight said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Prince letting the dude know don't say sh*t to him!! HE only wants women saying that!! Haven't some people realized this man is as straight as an arrow?!?!?! Herb is lucky, some guys would have punched him in the face! I don't blame Prince, that's rude and crossing the line! I would have walked out too!!

It's not rude or crossing the line. You're homophobic.

Th

[Edited 9/29/10 19:56pm]

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

motherfunka said:

Vogue (From Controversy Magazine)

Ain't talkin' about Madonna's Vogue, this is Vogue magazine, the major fashion magazine which ordered a photo shoot on Prince by noted rock photgrapher Herb Ritts. Ritts has photgraphed Madonna and many others for Rolling Stone magazine covers, so he thought that he was experienced in dealing with rock stars, but was surprised to find that Prince wasn't quite what he expected.

On the other hand, Prince was no prima donna but a professional, a perfect gentleman who was willing to sit for Ritts from 10:00am to 7:30pm with nothing but a mug of herbal tea to sustain him. On the other hand, Ritts found that what Prince is professional at is being a musician and performer, not being a fashion model. When asked to pose, jump and spin for the camera, Prince said that he felt like an idiot when he tried to dance for a photographer, that it didn't feel natural to do it for the camera. They actually got along pretty well except for this little exchange below, whereby Ritts learned not to play up to Prince the way he would one of his models. Prince was asked to stand on top of the baby blue piano:

Prince: Tell me if this makes you want to puke.

Ritts: You look sensational

Prince: I can change if you want.

Ritts: Instead of standing, why don't you perch on the edge of the piano and pretend you're playing the keys with the heels of your yellow shoes?

After Prince complied, Ritts continued.

Ritts: You look great! You look so sexy!

Prince: Burn those negatives (walking off the set in a huff)!

Thanks for posting. Prince obviously was tired and felt uncomfortable with the entire shoot. And that "SO sexy" remark was the final straw! I don't think he was going for "sexy" perhaps...

It appears he just got tired of the whole "model" crap.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

robinhood said:

daphne if ur merely speculating then you dont need to defend ur position as if it is a fact darlin.

you got urself in a whole bunch of mess here cuz you arent open to other people's views

relax and listen to what others have to say hun

You need to be telling that to all the others who jumped on me yet again for defending Prince. I never said I wasn't open to their views. I didn't even reply to an earlier post of someone calling Prince a homophobe. The problem is that some people tend to a. Take others opinions as a personal insult and therefore feel the need to insult that person (which displays immaturity and a lack of intelligence, not to mention a lack of self confidence). And b. Decide that their opinion is correct and anyone else that differs must be wrong and decide to badger that person like vultures! I'm simply discussing an issue on a forum...that's what is supposed to be done here. I'm defending my opinion, just like everyone else. I didn't create the mess, others did b/c they don't like my supporting Prince (b/c who would support Prince on a Prince fan site? The nerve of that person!) I stated that I supported Prince in him not allowing himself to sexualized by a man...he is a straight man and doesn't want the lines to be crossed. That doesn't make him a homophobe nor does it make me one. So those calling anyone supporting Prince a homophobe is in the wrong....they are taking the stance "I'm straight and only want to be called sexy by the opposite sex" as a personal attack...which is a problem w/ii themselves. Not the person saying. I could see if Prince had said something derrogatory against Herb...thn I could see the outrage. But what's the surprise, as far as what we know...Prince is a straight, religious man...why would anyone think he weren't against certain things?

Good points that very few people will be honest enough to admit are true.

everyones assuming why prince reacted that way ...cant really judge since we dont know his facial expression etc

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

The problem is that some people tend to a. Take others opinions as a personal insult and therefore feel the need to insult that person (which displays immaturity and a lack of intelligence, not to mention a lack of self confidence). And b. Decide that their opinion is correct and anyone else that differs must be wrong and decide to badger that person like vultures!

ok daphne, i have some questions for you if that's ok

1. have you ever decided that your opinion is correct and anyone else that differs must be wrong?

2. does your pubic hair come up to your navel?

3. how big are your tits?

robinhood said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

The problem is that some people tend to a. Take others opinions as a personal insult and therefore feel the need to insult that person (which displays immaturity and a lack of intelligence, not to mention a lack of self confidence). And b. Decide that their opinion is correct and anyone else that differs must be wrong and decide to badger that person like vultures!

ok daphne, i have some questions for you if that's ok

1. have you ever decided that your opinion is correct and anyone else that differs must be wrong?

2. does your pubic hair come up to your navel?

3. how big are your tits?

Just say no to drugs

laurarichardson said:

robinhood said:

ok daphne, i have some questions for you if that's ok

1. have you ever decided that your opinion is correct and anyone else that differs must be wrong?

2. does your pubic hair come up to your navel?

3. how big are your tits?

Just say no to drugs

thanks laura i do anyway, and my questions are for daphne, but while ur here...

have you ever decided that your opinion is correct and anyone else that differs must be wrong?

laurarichardson said:

I do not know any straight African-American man who would want another man calling them sexy.

laurarichardson said:

People have a right to like what they like without having the a lable tossed on them.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

exodus said:

This is repoted to have happened during the Herb Ritts photo shoot. Prince was sitting on the piano with his heels on the keys and when Herb said how sexy it looked, Prince walked out and said to burn the negatives.

Prince letting the dude know don't say sh*t to him!! HE only wants women saying that!! Haven't some people realized this man is as straight as an arrow?!?!?! Herb is lucky, some guys would have punched him in the face! I don't blame Prince, that's rude and crossing the line! I would have walked out too!!

I'm straight, btw, and while some of y'all are clearly homophobic (whether you realize it or not), some of you aren't. No, some of you are just hateful, sheltered, rude and straight up ignorant! Oh, and you're most definitely NOT sexy. Mm.

Cerebus said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Prince letting the dude know don't say sh*t to him!! HE only wants women saying that!! Haven't some people realized this man is as straight as an arrow?!?!?! Herb is lucky, some guys would have punched him in the face! I don't blame Prince, that's rude and crossing the line! I would have walked out too!!

uhhhwhaaaa? Herb Ritts was known for taking sexy photos. Photographers telling their subjects that they look sexy is incredibly normal. It's often a requested "look". "Give me sexy." Your comment is beyond bizarre. You really think somebody in THAT situation would have punched the photographer?

OK, I'll tell you what, go to Alabama, Arkansas, or Kentucky and ask that question to any "country" type of man. Then on your way back, stop in Detroit, Philadelphia, or St. Louis and ask the "thug" type of guys that. For best results, take a gay male photographer with you and instruct him to call one of the guys "sexy" and you will have your answer.

And I never said a photographer saying "sexy" wasn't normal. But that doesn't make it right, nor does it mean Prince has to deal with it. And he didn't! Kudos to him! And for the record, I've never seen a male photographer tell another man he was sexy on a shoot that wasn't a "sexy" themed photoshoot. Nowhere have we read that the look requested was sexy. It seems it was about music, not looking sexy. It was for rolling stones after all. Herb Ritz crossed the line, whether intentional or unintentional, Prince didn't like it, and he split! Not really much to debate, just read what happened...

robinhood said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

The problem is that some people tend to a. Take others opinions as a personal insult and therefore feel the need to insult that person (which displays immaturity and a lack of intelligence, not to mention a lack of self confidence). And b. Decide that their opinion is correct and anyone else that differs must be wrong and decide to badger that person like vultures!

ok daphne, i have some questions for you if that's ok

1. have you ever decided that your opinion is correct and anyone else that differs must be wrong? NO!!! OK, sure, but do I decide to insult them for it? No. That's the point. Obviously people's opinions differ. It's when the so called "righteous" people start attacking the so called "closed minded" people that bothers me. Sounds like the so called "open minded" people, are only open minded when it suits them...

2. does your pubic hair come up to your navel? There's only 1 way to find out...

3. how big are your tits? ~See answer to #2~

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

Cerebus said:

uhhhwhaaaa? Herb Ritts was known for taking sexy photos. Photographers telling their subjects that they look sexy is incredibly normal. It's often a requested "look". "Give me sexy." Your comment is beyond bizarre. You really think somebody in THAT situation would have punched the photographer?

OK, I'll tell you what, go to Alabama, Arkansas, or Kentucky and ask that question to any "country" type of man. Then on your way back, stop in Detroit, Philadelphia, or St. Louis and ask the "thug" type of guys that. For best results, take a gay male photographer with you and instruct him to call one of the guys "sexy" and you will have your answer.

Helloooo! Not what I asked. I asked about THAT situation SPECIFICALLY. Also, you live in a world of terrible stereotyping. It's kind of sad, really. Don't believe the hype. All people are different, regardless of what you've been told.

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

robinhood said:

1. have you ever decided that your opinion is correct and anyone else that differs must be wrong?

NO!!! OK, sure, but do I decide to insult them for it? No.

thanks for answering my questions, i have one more:

4. what would Jesus do in this situation?

robinhood said:

maybe he thought the photographer wasnt being sincere, maybe prince thought he was mocking him

maybe it made him feel self-conscious, maybe he's paranoid and takes offense really easily

maybe prince imagines insult where there is none, maybe he's just insecure and precious

Prince: Tell me if this makes you want to puke.

Ritts: You look sensational

Prince: I can change if you want.

Ritts: Instead of standing, why don't you perch on the edge of the piano and pretend you're playing the keys with the heels of your yellow shoes?

After Prince complied, Ritts continued.

Ritts: You look great! You look so sexy!

Prince: Burn those negatives (walking off the set in a huff)!

Cerebus said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

OK, I'll tell you what, go to Alabama, Arkansas, or Kentucky and ask that question to any "country" type of man. Then on your way back, stop in Detroit, Philadelphia, or St. Louis and ask the "thug" type of guys that. For best results, take a gay male photographer with you and instruct him to call one of the guys "sexy" and you will have your answer.

Helloooo! Not what I asked. I asked about THAT situation SPECIFICALLY. Also, you live in a world of terrible stereotyping. It's kind of sad, really. Don't believe the hype. All people are different, regardless of what you've been told.

OK...since my answer wasn't clear...YES some people would have punched Herb!! Alot of men wouldn't have even worked with him in the first place! Did I say Prince SHOULD have punched him? NOPE!! Prince handled it the best way!

And yes, we live in a world of stereotyping. As displayed on this board...Straight people who don't want someone of the same sex calling them "sexy" = homophobic, close minded, ignorant, childish, blah, blah, blah. Yes, it is sad really!

robinhood said:

DaphneLovesPR1NCE said:

NO!!! OK, sure, but do I decide to insult them for it? No.

thanks for answering my questions, i have one more:

4. what would Jesus do in this situation?

Maybe YOU should ask HIM yourself...

I don't like the word homophobia because of its focus on the 'irrational fear' of someone's hatred rather than focusing on the hatred itself. Seeing it so deeply engrained everywhere (even up in here, a fan site for a guy who made his career by selling sex) and in so many ways (also within LGBT people, tragically) has desensitized me from caring enough about the reason or rationale for hate to make a special consideration for it more than just describing the hate ... but not to worry; I'm sure most 'real men' could give a fuck about my level of sensitivity toward them, right?

By the way, if you're scared that I can turn you gay then you're probably right.