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Reply #150 posted 09/12/10 9:05am

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I think a lot of people actually are talking about the last great Prince era vs album, there putting the whole thing: the tour the aftershows the look etc together. It was an exciting era.

Oh that is different of course, I'm sure it was great to live it through and arguably it was his last "proper" era in several aspects (not in terms commercial success though). But when you're comparing it to a newer album, you're only supposed to compare it to the 9 songs of Lovesexy. For example if you're saying Lovesexy is better than Planet Earth, it's unfair to include Lovesexy Tour and say how much those live performances were better than the O2 residency, or how back then Prince still bothered to film videos. Those are separate stuff from the music itself. I still recall comments about Lovesexy being his last "AMAZING" album and that's only supposed to refer to the music. And I just don't get how this music became the benchmark of what he's supposed to achieve to be called "great" again.

Don't get me wrong, I really like the Lovesexy music but it just doesn't move me the way I can listen to ATWIAD. It's just that I don't listen as often, but I think overall it is a cohesive album with an intact direction. Which I love. One reason I love the Rainbow Children. I don't think Planet Earth is a cohesive album. It's a collection of songs.

The direction of Lovesexy (I wish Black album was the SOTT followup) helped make it a great era.

Personally I don't think the songs were rendered well, live. Some great outtakes came out of it.

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Reply #151 posted 09/12/10 9:53am

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Aftershow I guess, but which one?

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Reply #152 posted 09/13/10 12:59am

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Don't get me wrong, I really like the Lovesexy music but it just doesn't move me the way I can listen to ATWIAD. It's just that I don't listen as often, but I think overall it is a cohesive album with an intact direction. Which I love. One reason I love the Rainbow Children. I don't think Planet Earth is a cohesive album. It's a collection of songs.

The direction of Lovesexy (I wish Black album was the SOTT followup) helped make it a great era.

Personally I don't think the songs were rendered well, live. Some great outtakes came out of it.

I guess I didn't pay enough attention to the concept, since I don't think it comes across. Musically I do see some patterns, but like I said, I kinda think those good ideas were wasted on songs he had to write quickly. The cohesiveness is also killed when you have a song like "Alphabet St." with "Eye No" or "When 2 R In Love" on the same album. I kinda think it was his first non cohesive album (though Parade can be argued).

I don't know if Prince ever talked about W2RIL being on Lovesexy (he probably said "it fits the concept too!") but obviously he thought it was too good to waste and couldn't come up with a proper replacement...

Also, I think the album wanted to be BOTH artistic/experimental/conceptual and both successful with hits, but he didn't achieve any of them, whereas SOTT managed to be both deeper yet still melodic enough. "Glam Slam" is hardly an artistic statement but the first 2 tracks are way too unconventional for pop songs.

And before you get me wrong, I'm not bashing you or anyone else who likes this album, far from it, like I said I enjoy some bits from it as well. I just don't comprehend to its supposed importance in his discography, because since then he had better concepts that stood the test of time, and even hits.

Don't know if you discussed this before, but what do you think of the purpose of the albumcover?

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Don't get me wrong, I really like the Lovesexy music but it just doesn't move me the way I can listen to ATWIAD. It's just that I don't listen as often, but I think overall it is a cohesive album with an intact direction. Which I love. One reason I love the Rainbow Children. I don't think Planet Earth is a cohesive album. It's a collection of songs.

The direction of Lovesexy (I wish Black album was the SOTT followup) helped make it a great era.

Personally I don't think the songs were rendered well, live. Some great outtakes came out of it.

Don't know if you discussed this before, but what do you think of the purpose of the albumcover?

Prince being nude prior to that was nothing new, nude as far the the extent on an album cover yes. We've seen him in the album sleeves, posters & videos 'nude'. I just think it was an image of being reborn. I have no problem with it, it's pretty good artistry. I had no problem buy it, I did have a problem letting my parents see it.

Not completely nude but xxx enough

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Reply #154 posted 09/13/10 11:25am

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Mmmmm... Nakey Prince. Me likey.

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Reply #158 posted 09/15/10 11:33pm

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Prince being nude prior to that was nothing new, nude as far the the extent on an album cover yes. We've seen him in the album sleeves, posters & videos 'nude'. I just think it was an image of being reborn. I have no problem with it, it's pretty good artistry. I had no problem buy it, I did have a problem letting my parents see it.

But it was the first very explicit image since he hit big, wasn't it? And using it as an album cover can most likely be considered as his only way of drumming the release up. I guess it was also inconsistent for those people who liked "Alphabet St." but then imagined the album would be way different than that, due to the album cover, so in that aspect, it didn't help at all. But saying it flopped mainly because of the cover, that would be exaggeration.

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October 2. 1988
( LoveSexy Tour )
"Madison Square Garden"New York

"RoseLand Ballroom"New York
Aftershow
1.Positivity
2.Wide In The Water
3.The Ballad Of Dorothy
Parker/Four
4.Just My Imagination
5.Jack Off
6.I'll Take You There
7.Down Home Blues
8.Cold Sweat
9.Purple Rain
10.1999
11.80's Medley
12.Chain Of Fools
13.Instrumental

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Anna Stesia

Have U ever been so lonely
That U felt like U were the only one in this world?
Have U ever wanted 2 play with someone so much
U'd take any one boy or girl?

CHORUS:
Anna Stesia come 2 me, talk 2 me, ravish me
Liberate my mind
Tell me what U think of me, praise me, craze me
Out this space and time

Between white and black, night and day
Black night seemed like the only way
So I danced
Music late, nothing great
No way 2 differentiate
I took a chance

Gregory looks just like a ghost
And then a beautiful girl the most
Wets her lips 2 say
"We could live 4 a little while
If U could just learn 2 smile
U and I could fly away, fly away"
Oh…

CHORUS

Maybe, maybe, maybe I could learn 2 love
I mean the right way, I mean the only way
Perhaps U could show me, baby

Anna Stesia come 2 me, talk 2 me, ravish me
Liberate my mind

Maybe, maybe, maybe I could learn 2 love
Ah, if I was just closer 2 somethin' (Closer)
Closer 2 your higher self? I don't know
Closer 2 heaven? Maybe
Closer 2 God {x3}

Save me Jesus, I've been a fool
How could I forget that U are the rule
U are my God, I am Your child
From now on, 4 U I shall be wild
I shall be quick, I shall be strong
I'll tell Your story no matter how long
No matter how... (No matter {x4})

We're just a play in Your master plan
Now, my Lord, I understand
(I understand)

Love is God, God is love
Girls and boys love God above {repeat till end}

CHORUS

© 1988 Controversy Music - ASCAP

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Anyone seen Shakira's video with the black 1 legged outfit like Sheila E?

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Plaid and Pok a Dot's generally don't work 2gether

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ufoclub said:

[img:$uid]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/ufoclub/blackprincecopycopy-1.jpg[/img:$uid]

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I love this! Never seen it before. cool

I like that, I never saw it before either wink

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2 Nigs United 4 West Compton

Serve it up, Frankie

This is precisely what I intend 2 do, honey

Honey, do U know I let Robert cut my hair this morning?
(Honey, look at this one here) (I'm lookin' Joe tryin' 2 see)

Oh girl, where'd U get those shoes?

U know he had me lookin' so bad (Honey, she's so free)
I'm so tired

These are "come-and-fuck-me" pumps (Who, Robert?)

Maurice thinks… (Mm, I think that's right, honey)

Go on up 2 her, say something

Maurice, what, what can I serve U? (U mean he's male?)

Baby, I swear 2 God if U don't kiss 'em
I'm gonna kick your super natural ass!

Frankie, play something, bitch! (Squirrel Meat!)

Uh! Don't try it!

Cat, what's happenin' babe? (Bitch, would U play something?)

Get outta my face! (Honey, it's not that type of party)
(Talk 2 me, talk 2 me – do U remember me?)

What cha mean? (Honey, he could teach U the answer 2 life)

Honey, U see these pumps? (Bitch!)
(Answer? Honey, U ain't gonna quit)

I wanna, I wanna… (Who U callin' bitch? Ho bitch!)
I want U 2 meet some friends of mine (Bitch!)
(Frankie, play somethin' – shit!)
(Who U callin' ho bitch? Black ho bitch!)
No, no - U'll like them
They're, they're musicians

2 nigs united 4 West Compton {x2}

© 1994 Controversy Music - ASCAP

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Blue Tuesday 12.1.1987



Ruperts Dance Club [Minneapolis Minn.]
Paisley Park studios [Minneapolis Minn.]

Prince
Warner Bro.
Ingrid Chavez
Karen Krattinger
Susan Rogers
Matt Fink
Gilbert Davison
Mo Ostin
Marylou Badeaux
Eric Leads



From the perspective of Warner Bros., the Black Album was emblematic of the label's concerns about Prince's career. Increasingly, his marketing decisions seemed designed to alienate the public rather than to increase his record sales; meanwhile, his material was becoming consistently less accessible. The company desperately wanted Prince to come up with catchy songs that would re-establish him as a potent hit-maker and guide him back towards Purple Rain-like levels of fame. What it got instead was The Black Album.

Despite Warners trepidation, plans for the release went forward and hundreds of thousands of vinyl albums, cassettes, and compact discs were pressed for distribution. As he often did just before putting out new albums, Prince went to a nightclub to audition it for an unsuspecting public. On December 1,1987- a little more than a week before its scheduled release-Prince went to Rupert's, a Minneapolis dance club. Entering undetected by the crowd, he made his way to the deejay booth and played songs without fanfare to see how club goers would react.



insert from: NightGod My source: Cat Glover

I filmed a behind the scenes video of her modeling shoot last year (the one many of you have seen on youtube), and spent a couple days hanging out with Cat Glover. She is very open and shared some amazing stories with me. This is one:

1987: Prince had never tried Ecstasy, and was curious about it after Cat told him what it felt like. He asked Cat to get him some (it came from her, where the common misconception is that it came from Ingrid). Cat was in LA when Prince made his request. She got some and flew in to MN and was staying at a hotel when Prince's limo showed up. While they were both in her room, Cat suggested Prince take half a dose "because he was so small". He took the full dose and told Cat to wait for him. He rode off in his limo and Cat didn't hear from him until much later.

Prince decided to go to a club while he was tripping. It was here that he met Ingrid Chavez, which eventually led them to Paisley Park. Cat said she didn't think Ingrid knew Prince was tripping on E. Prince called Cat later from the limo and told her about Ingrid. She was riding with him at that point, and the three of them went out to Paisley, making for a historical night in Prince's career.

Even more interesting is her source for where she got the Ecstasy in the first place: Anthony Kiedis from the Red Hot Chili Peppers.








As the music played over the sound system, Prince mingled with the crowd and eventually became involved in a detailed conversation with a singer-songwriter-poet in her early twenties named Ingrid Chavez. An attractive brunette with a serious and reflective air, Chavez had moved to Minneapolis several years earlier to work on music with a friend. But that collaboration had soured, and since then she had been working alone on her poetry and spoken-word pieces. Like Prince, Chavez had grown up in a strictly religious home (in her case, Baptist), but as an adult she too sought spiritual answers outside the confines of any specific religion.

Prince and Chavez seemed fascinated by each other despite an apperent lack of sexual chemistry, and, after a while, they drove back to the recently completed Paisley Park studio complex. They continued a lengthy and intense conversation about religious issues, love, and life fulfillment, but Prince eventually excused himself, saying he had a stomachache. Waiting to see where the strange night would go next, Chavez stayed put while Prince disappeared elsewhere in the complex.

At about 1:30am Karen Krattinger received a strange phone call. Speaking with uncharacteristic emotion, Prince apologized for having been so hard on her, said he had trouble expressing his feelings, and that he loved her.

At about the same time that night, Susan Rogers also got a phone call from Prince, asking her to come to Paisley Park. After four years as Prince's engineer, she had resigned that post shortly after the completion of the Black Album i October 1987. But she agreed to go to the studio. Arriving in the rehearsal room, she found it dark, save for a few red candles that cast ominous shadows across the walls. Out of the gloom she heard a woman's voice.

"Are you looking for Prince?"
Rogers, who would later learn this was Chavez, answered, "Yes."
"Well, he's here somewhere," Chavez replied.
Abruptly, Prince emerged out of the darkness, looking unlike she had ever seen him before. "I'm certain he was high," Rogers said. "His pupils were really dilated. He looked like he was tripping."
As he had with Krattinger, Prince struggled to connect emotionally with Rogers. "I just want to know one thing. Do you still love me?" Rogers, startled, said she did, and that she knew he loved her.
"Will you stay?" Prince asked.
"No, I won't," she said, and left the complex.
"It was really scary," she recalled of the evening.
Matt Fink confirmed the sequence of events, saying he was told by bodyguard Gilbert Davison, who was present at Paisley Park that evening, that Prince had taken the drug Ecstasy. "He had a bad trip, and felt that [the Black Album] was the devil working through him," Fink said. Chavez has also said that in the course of the evening Prince decided that The Black Album represented an evil force.



...



But something had changed. Prince believed that he had experienced a spiritual and moral epiphany, and that Chavez, serving as a guide, had shown him the way to greater connection with God and other people. The Black Album, he decided, represented the anger and licentiousness that he must leave behind. After casting about for months for a way to truly put the Revolution era behind him, he had found one.

Days after the ecstasy trip, Prince contacted Warner Bros. chairman Mo Ostin and insisted that the Black Album, with its release just days away, be canceled. "Prince was very adamant and pleaded with Mo," recalled Marylou Badeaux. Although Ostin ultimately agreed, halting the release was a logistical nightmare for Warners. Five hundred thousand LPs - which now needed to be destroyed - had been pressed, and were on loading docks ready for shipment to stores. A small number of vinyl records and cds escaped destruction, and The Black Album quickly became available on the bootleg market, with fans selling and trading cassette duplicates of widely varying fidelity.

Prince has never given a clear public explanation of the decision to shelve the album, but the program from his next tour included a cryptic discussion of the Black Album's "evil" nature, and refers to December 1, 1987 (the night he spent with Chavez at Paisley Park), as "Blue Tuesday."

Having shelved the Black Album, Prince immediately threw himself into the recording of his next LP, Lovesexy, which he conceived as a document of his epiphany.

...

Moreover, very few of Prince's associates related to the lyrical messages, and also wondered why Ingred Chavez, who seemed to some a bit odd, was playing such a huge role. When band members seemed confused by the lyrics of the title track, he rerecorded it to make the meaning ring out more clearly. It still didn't work. "I did not understand what the term 'lovesexy' was supposed to mean," Eric Leeds said. "People weren't getting it."

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February 1. 1989
Lovesexy Japan Tour
Sendai Stadium Sendai Japan
Regularshow
1.Erotic City

2.House Quake
incl "Take TheA Train"
3.Slow Love
4.Adore
5.Delirious
6.Jack U Off
7.Sister
8.Do Me Baby
9.Adore
#2
10.I Wanna Be Your Lover
intro

11.Girls & Boys
12.A Love Bizarre
13.When You Were Mine
14.Little Red Corvette
15.Controversy
16.U Got The Look
17.SuperFunkyCalifragiSexy
18.Bob George
19.Anna Stesia
20.Interlude
21.Eye Know
22.Love Sexy
23.Glam Slam
24.The Cross
25.I Wish U Heaven
26.Kiss
27.Dance On
28.Sheila E, Drum Solo
29.Let's Go Crazy
30.When Doves Cry
31.Purple Rain
32.1999
33.Alphabet, St

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January 20. 1989
"Gatwick Airport"London

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