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Reply #120 posted 10/10/09 7:54am

muleFunk

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HonestMan13 said:

ernestsewell said:



So you're going to take the blame for Lotusflow3r.com having no real content and dropping the ball on what it was supposed to offer? No responsibility on Prince at all, huh? No responsibility for lying, misrepresenting, and falsely advertising? It's YOUR fault, not his, for all that. Should people call you if they haven't gotten their t-shirts?


He's saying he made the choice to join up. Prince didn't do it for him.
Most orgers who complained about lotusflow3r.com were members of Prince's previous sites and had reservations and they still joined up without seeing a single thing or waiting for another person to say what was on there. All for the chance to get a t-shirt. If Prince fooled any of you once then that's cool. If he fooled any of you twice then who's the fool?


Thank you .

And I still joined the new Lotisflow3r KNOWING what to expect.
I got my T-shirt, I got my Crystal Ball 11 years ago, I got all of my stuff with the NPGMC. Was I still dissapointed with the product ? Hell yes.

You know what you are getting with Prince. So cowboy up and be ready to get fucked. Is it right no but I chose to spend my money anyway.

Now you have the right to be pissed if you did not get what you were promised but lets raise Hell together instead of blasting EVERYTHING or ANYONE who likes the little bastard.
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Reply #121 posted 10/10/09 8:02am

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cborgman said:

HonestMan13 said:



He's saying he made the choice to join up. Prince didn't do it for him.
Most orgers who complained about lotusflow3r.com were members of Prince's previous sites and had reservations and they still joined up without seeing a single thing or waiting for another person to say what was on there. All for the chance to get a t-shirt. If Prince fooled any of you once then that's cool. If he fooled any of you twice then who's the fool?


granted, but who's the either incompetant or deceptive fool who keeps screwing his fans?


If Lotusflow3r.com was the personal slap in the face some orgers take it to be then I'd be long gone but I don't invest too much in the promises of any celebrity. It's great if Prince does everything that he says crossed his mind to do but if not then so be it. As a fan of Prince we all have the option of supporting him or abandoning him. Criticism of Prince is only worth it if it's constructive to effect a change. Complaining to other fans will not get you your 77 dollars back and it just paints you as bitter. Now explaining why no one else should join Lotusflow3r.com in a thread would probably come across as more informative to those trying to make that choice. A pointless tirade against something an individual is going to continue to support is just that pointless!
When eye go 2 a Prince concert or related event it's all heart up in the house but when eye log onto this site and the miasma of bitchiness is completely overwhelming!
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Reply #122 posted 10/10/09 10:11am

PurpleDiamond2
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cborgman said:

ugh... fams.

who else would angrily defend a man that sues them because they post pictures of him?



nod

and another orger said it best "if prince told them to jump they would be asking "how high?" lol
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Reply #123 posted 10/10/09 10:14am

PurpleDiamond2
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popcorn popcorn popcorn
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Reply #124 posted 10/10/09 10:17am

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thebumpsquad said:

Bohemian67 said:

Harassment: Is infringement upon your personal copyrighted material harassment? e.g. illegal file sharing/bootlegs/pictures
Were HQ and other sites infringing upon Prince's copyrighted material? Some on this board have openly admitted to doing so.
Is copyright infringement illegal?
Did HQ shut down voluntarily or was there a court document demanding such?
Can harassment, in the form of character defamation on the internet be taken to court? Yes just google. Has Prince done this? No.



lol
You are really stretching with this.

For the zillionth time : Since 2004 (ish) HQ never allowed illegal file sharing, whether that be official material or bootlegged material. Prior to that, bootlegs were openly traded on the board, but that ended quite harmoniously and members went off to conduct their business elsewehere. HQ allowed the discussion of unofficial material in it's bootleg duscussion section, but the mods enforced the "no trading" rule very strictly.

Pictures? HQ was a victim of Prince's ridiculous "no posting my likeness" rule as much as the Org was. Prince doesn't own the copyright to each and every picture with his mug splattered across it. He'd like to think he is, but he isn't (London 2007 tourbook fuck-up, anyone?).

So no, no harassment, and no illegal activities commited in the open thus far.

Yes copyright infringement is illegal, but I specifically asked for example. So far you have given me a lot of waffle with no substance, and certainly not a single specific example of them infringing his copyright.


If you read back...your question was to another poster, not me. You also quoted his message. So no need to be rude.

But if you really want me to answer YOUR question I'll say this.

When sweeping statements such as "Prince shut down HQ" and "Prince is this and Prince is that" peppers certain folks' posts, then the credibility of such folk are no longer worthy to me. I prefer to go along with the thinking of legal professionals, Prince and AEG.

Law suits take years and this is a landmark turn in the industry. It would not be as big as this if it was all about nothing.

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Reply #125 posted 10/10/09 10:20am

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PurpleDiamond2009 said:

cborgman said:

ugh... fams.

who else would angrily defend a man that sues them because they post pictures of him?



nod

and another orger said it best "if prince told them to jump they would be asking "how high?" lol


I don't even know what a fam is so you're wasting your time. cool
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Reply #126 posted 10/10/09 11:12am

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thebumpsquad said:

Bohemian67 said:

Harassment: Is infringement upon your personal copyrighted material harassment? e.g. illegal file sharing/bootlegs/pictures
Were HQ and other sites infringing upon Prince's copyrighted material? Some on this board have openly admitted to doing so.
Is copyright infringement illegal?
Did HQ shut down voluntarily or was there a court document demanding such?
Can harassment, in the form of character defamation on the internet be taken to court? Yes just google. Has Prince done this? No.



lol
You are really stretching with this.

For the zillionth time : Since 2004 (ish) HQ never allowed illegal file sharing, whether that be official material or bootlegged material. Prior to that, bootlegs were openly traded on the board, but that ended quite harmoniously and members went off to conduct their business elsewehere. HQ allowed the discussion of unofficial material in it's bootleg duscussion section, but the mods enforced the "no trading" rule very strictly.

Pictures? HQ was a victim of Prince's ridiculous "no posting my likeness" rule as much as the Org was. Prince doesn't own the copyright to each and every picture with his mug splattered across it. He'd like to think he is, but he isn't (London 2007 tourbook fuck-up, anyone?).

So no, no harassment, and no illegal activities commited in the open thus far.

Yes copyright infringement is illegal, but I specifically asked for example. So far you have given me a lot of waffle with no substance, and certainly not a single specific example of them infringing his copyright.



evillol I'll bet Prince turned a lovely shade of crimson after seeing the Housquake imprint on that photo.
If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot.
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Reply #127 posted 10/10/09 11:12am

ernestsewell

I have no desire to file a complain because I didn't make the stupid decision to join the site. I never have actually.
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Reply #128 posted 10/10/09 12:14pm

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Reply #129 posted 10/10/09 12:27pm

FunkyDissCo

Some of the craziest stuff I've read in a while is included in this thread and related ones. My favourite argument still is: "Hey, you knew you were going to be ripped off, then you got, and now you don't have a right to complain." Close second: "He's an artist. He doesn't owe you anything." ...and no. 3 goes to: "Well I'm satisfied with what i got" (most popular bonus punch: "...so everybody else has to shut up!").

L-M-F-A-O!

Prince's "fans" sure are among the most ridiculous people in the world, if there ever was a doubt about that, now's the time to acknowledge it.
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Reply #130 posted 10/10/09 1:11pm

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FunkyDissCo said:

Some of the craziest stuff I've read in a while is included in this thread and related ones. My favourite argument still is: "Hey, you knew you were going to be ripped off, then you got, and now you don't have a right to complain." Close second: "He's an artist. He doesn't owe you anything." ...and no. 3 goes to: "Well I'm satisfied with what i got" (most popular bonus punch: "...so everybody else has to shut up!").

L-M-F-A-O!

Prince's "fans" sure are among the most ridiculous people in the world, if there ever was a doubt about that, now's the time to acknowledge it.


Exactly. Constantly whining and complaining about an artist you don´t even like is beyond ridiculous.
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Reply #131 posted 10/10/09 1:47pm

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Bohemian67 said:

If you read back...your question was to another poster, not me. You also quoted his message. So no need to be rude.

But if you really want me to answer YOUR question I'll say this.

When sweeping statements such as "Prince shut down HQ" and "Prince is this and Prince is that" peppers certain folks' posts, then the credibility of such folk are no longer worthy to me. I prefer to go along with the thinking of legal professionals, Prince and AEG.


I posed the question in a general term as it was being passed off as a fact that HQ infringed Prince's intellectual property rights - a statement you yourself believed with a "cool, thanks for that" post.

I then asked for a specific example, something I'm still waiting for. From either the person who made the statement, or one of the believers (that would be you).

As for sweeping statements, you yourself are making numerous on this thread by falsely accusing others of breaching Prince's rights without having a single piece of evidence.

Character defamation and harassment issues are not the same as copyright, no matter how hard you try and convince yourself they are.

So anyway, back to his shitty fans.

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Reply #132 posted 10/10/09 5:49pm

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HonestMan13 said:

cborgman said:



granted, but who's the either incompetant or deceptive fool who keeps screwing his fans?


If Lotusflow3r.com was the personal slap in the face some orgers take it to be then I'd be long gone but I don't invest too much in the promises of any celebrity. It's great if Prince does everything that he says crossed his mind to do but if not then so be it. As a fan of Prince we all have the option of supporting him or abandoning him. Criticism of Prince is only worth it if it's constructive to effect a change. Complaining to other fans will not get you your 77 dollars back and it just paints you as bitter. Now explaining why no one else should join Lotusflow3r.com in a thread would probably come across as more informative to those trying to make that choice. A pointless tirade against something an individual is going to continue to support is just that pointless!


but what is the difference between constructive criticism and what you are decrying as bitter? what is the difference between explaining why no one should join lotusflower and the posts about what a ripoff lotusflower is in this thread?
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Reply #133 posted 10/10/09 5:52pm

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PurpleDiamond2009 said:

cborgman said:

ugh... fams.

who else would angrily defend a man that sues them because they post pictures of him?



nod

and another orger said it best "if prince told them to jump they would be asking "how high?" lol

my response would be "midget, please. gimme some unreleased material and i might."
Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton
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Reply #134 posted 10/10/09 5:54pm

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Bohemian67 said:

PurpleDiamond2009 said:




nod

and another orger said it best "if prince told them to jump they would be asking "how high?" lol


I don't even know what a fam is so you're wasting your time. cool


fam: zealot who prince could kick them in the face and they would smile and say "HE TOUCHED ME!!!"
Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton
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Reply #135 posted 10/10/09 5:55pm

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ernestsewell said:

I have no desire to file a complain because I didn't make the stupid decision to join the site. I never have actually.


smart man. i didnt fall for npgmc (no credit card at the beginning, and once i heard of the board censorship there: no FUCKING way, not to mention a memory of the crystal ball debacle), but did for lotusflower, which makes me an even bigger idiot.
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Reply #136 posted 10/10/09 7:41pm

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cborgman said:

but what is the difference between constructive criticism and what you are decrying as bitter? what is the difference between explaining why no one should join lotusflower and the posts about what a ripoff lotusflower is in this thread?


The difference between being critical and being bitter is reading the posts from the individuals postings. I agree with 90% of everything critical stated about Lotisflow3r.com in regards to the lack of substantial material. I agree with 60% of what is stated on here about the death of Housequake. There are people here on this site who can make very rational defenses of their positions and I might disagree with some of those but I can read and at least understand their stances.

Others come here everytime a new release and say negative things about the music.Or they will come here and state how (fill in the blank former associated artist) new album is better than Prince's new output. Next it's someone from the old AMP bitching about Crystal Ball.(Which 10 years ago really made sense but now it's tired bullshit.)

It's people who have blasted me on this site that I really like reading their rants because they make sense. The ORG is on it's game when good disagreements start and we used to have discussions about the stuff. Now it's lame ass flame wars and web bullying.

Start a survey or a thread of people who used to post here and now just lurk because of the massive negativity here and I think the answer would shock.
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Reply #137 posted 10/10/09 8:12pm

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muleFunk said:

cborgman said:

but what is the difference between constructive criticism and what you are decrying as bitter? what is the difference between explaining why no one should join lotusflower and the posts about what a ripoff lotusflower is in this thread?


The difference between being critical and being bitter is reading the posts from the individuals postings. I agree with 90% of everything critical stated about Lotisflow3r.com in regards to the lack of substantial material. I agree with 60% of what is stated on here about the death of Housequake. There are people here on this site who can make very rational defenses of their positions and I might disagree with some of those but I can read and at least understand their stances.

Others come here everytime a new release and say negative things about the music.Or they will come here and state how (fill in the blank former associated artist) new album is better than Prince's new output. Next it's someone from the old AMP bitching about Crystal Ball.(Which 10 years ago really made sense but now it's tired bullshit.)

It's people who have blasted me on this site that I really like reading their rants because they make sense. The ORG is on it's game when good disagreements start and we used to have discussions about the stuff. Now it's lame ass flame wars and web bullying.

Start a survey or a thread of people who used to post here and now just lurk because of the massive negativity here and I think the answer would shock.


well, i can't speak for everyone, but as an old school orger (almost 7 years and over 40,000 posts), here's the reason i don't do much more thank lurk in this forum, when i can even stomach that. the fams go somewhat crazy when middle of the road peeps like me and you post intelligent and fair reviews of subpar material. they attack to the point it's not even worth posting and trying to have a discussion.

granted there are trolls, who are relentlessly negative for the sake of stirring up the fams (every board has them), but they are a small minority and are best ignored. there is however, a vast multitude of their counterparts, the fams, who are just as disruptive and rabid.

and the sad part is it wasn't like this in the old days. this forum used to have a sense of humor and a balance. now, with npgmc closed, we are rather overrun with the purple kool-aid drinking fams who would angrily defend a cd of prince farting repeatedly.

that's just me though.
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Reply #138 posted 10/10/09 8:19pm

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cborgman said:

muleFunk said:



The difference between being critical and being bitter is reading the posts from the individuals postings. I agree with 90% of everything critical stated about Lotisflow3r.com in regards to the lack of substantial material. I agree with 60% of what is stated on here about the death of Housequake. There are people here on this site who can make very rational defenses of their positions and I might disagree with some of those but I can read and at least understand their stances.

Others come here everytime a new release and say negative things about the music.Or they will come here and state how (fill in the blank former associated artist) new album is better than Prince's new output. Next it's someone from the old AMP bitching about Crystal Ball.(Which 10 years ago really made sense but now it's tired bullshit.)

It's people who have blasted me on this site that I really like reading their rants because they make sense. The ORG is on it's game when good disagreements start and we used to have discussions about the stuff. Now it's lame ass flame wars and web bullying.

Start a survey or a thread of people who used to post here and now just lurk because of the massive negativity here and I think the answer would shock.


well, i can't speak for everyone, but as an old school orger (almost 7 years and over 40,000 posts), here's the reason i don't do much more thank lurk in this forum, when i can even stomach that. the fams go somewhat crazy when middle of the road peeps like me and you post intelligent and fair reviews of subpar material. they attack to the point it's not even worth posting and trying to have a discussion.

granted there are trolls, who are relentlessly negative for the sake of stirring up the fams (every board has them), but they are a small minority and are best ignored. there is however, a vast multitude of their counterparts, the fams, who are just as disruptive and rabid.

and the sad part is it wasn't like this in the old days. this forum used to have a sense of humor and a balance. now, with npgmc closed, we are rather overrun with the purple kool-aid drinking fams who would angrily defend a cd of prince farting repeatedly.

that's just me though.



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Reply #139 posted 10/10/09 8:29pm

jimino1

^^definitely you are not alone!!

the real question is why isn't he doing something with Lotusfailure.com to keep his fan-base happy?

why did he take our money and run....and where has that money gone...
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Reply #140 posted 10/10/09 8:57pm

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You are right but don't forget the people who would lynch Prince for any damn reason too.

However you really hit it home, the balence is not there.
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Reply #141 posted 10/10/09 9:06pm

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^^definitely you are not alone!!

the real question is why isn't he doing something with Lotusfailure.com to keep his fan-base happy?

why did he take our money and run....and where has that money gone...
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Now that is what pisses me off with Prince and the whole HQ/Org/other fam sites debacle. Prince easily could let or pay people like HQ or Ben to run the fan end of it and have his business people or some of "us" that were on the up and up run the CD/distribution of his stuff. The web thing is not that hard once you get around copyrights and payments.

The people who are running the websites did 100000% better job that what he's doing with Lotusflow3r. And Lotus is lightyears better than NPGMC.
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Reply #142 posted 10/10/09 9:43pm

violetblues

He has the best fans, we stuck with him through the 90's and bought Rave & Emancipation. We played "The Rainbow Children" over and over in hopes of one day liking it.
We give Prince our money to pre-order a cd or website even though we know better.
While most 80's pop stars have been abandoned by their fans, we were still eagerly trading early snippets of "chocolate box" and "planet earth" before their release.

Prince is a great artist, supported by great fans.
Yes we are crazy, no doubt, but we are not MJ fan delusional, and THAT'S a BIG BIG plus for him, us and the entire world.
lets give ourselves a big round of applause.....and by that, i mean a big kick in the butt lol


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Reply #143 posted 10/10/09 9:51pm

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violetblues said:

He has the best fans, we stuck with him through the 90's and bought Rave & Emancipation. We played "The Rainbow Children" over and over in hopes of one day liking it.
We give Prince our money to pre-order a cd or website even though we know better.
While most 80's pop stars have been abandoned by their fans, we were still eagerly trading early snippets of "chocolate box" and "planet earth" before their release.

Prince is a great artist, supported by great fans.
Yes we are crazy, no doubt, but we are not MJ fan delusional, and THAT'S a BIG BIG plus for him, us and the entire world.


the mj fams make our prince fans look like haters by comparison. the mj fams scare the crap outta me.

remember this one?

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Reply #144 posted 10/10/09 10:08pm

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allegedly, several committed suicide after mj died.

disbelief
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Reply #145 posted 10/10/09 10:28pm

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I love Prince... on a microphone...a CD..and the stage..

i don't know him to judge him..

i lost that "GA GA" bulls%$# a few years back for ethical reasons..

i can love the artist and back away from the man...
~Live Free ... Be Wyld~AlwaysOnlyMakeBelieve - LiveUrLyfe... laissez le bon temps rouler...vivre sans être sauvage...हमेशा ही बना विश्वास ~Change and do so CONSTANTLY...
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Reply #146 posted 10/11/09 6:02am

Dayclear

It's the Haters, not the real fans that won't leave him alone. confused
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Reply #147 posted 10/11/09 6:25am

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thebumpsquad said:

Bohemian67 said:

If you read back...your question was to another poster, not me. You also quoted his message. So no need to be rude.

But if you really want me to answer YOUR question I'll say this.

When sweeping statements such as "Prince shut down HQ" and "Prince is this and Prince is that" peppers certain folks' posts, then the credibility of such folk are no longer worthy to me. I prefer to go along with the thinking of legal professionals, Prince and AEG.


I posed the question in a general term as it was being passed off as a fact that HQ infringed Prince's intellectual property rights - a statement you yourself believed with a "cool, thanks for that" post.

I then asked for a specific example, something I'm still waiting for. From either the person who made the statement, or one of the believers (that would be you).

As for sweeping statements, you yourself are making numerous on this thread by falsely accusing others of breaching Prince's rights without having a single piece of evidence.

Character defamation and harassment issues are not the same as copyright, no matter how hard you try and convince yourself they are.

So anyway, back to his shitty fans. hammer Tame edit
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The OP was about negative fans hating on Prince. Immediately the "so inclined" lstarted throwing punches at the OP and other posters for their comments. Reply 25 says "it has nothing to do with Prince it has to do with the internet and the people on it." Meaning just because a few opinions on a board say the man is "the worst bully, liar, fraudelent businesman there is" doesn't make it the truth. Then the name calling and swearing began. There is a difference between speaking intelligently & courteously and just "letting it all hang out," just to boost one's ego. Go and count how many allegations there are against Prince. in this entire thread. From people, who either, want their own fame and fortune or job from him or who feel diddled out of money.

When someone tries to see the other side of the coin, (Prince's side) they are attacked, critisized and called names, again only making my point correct that it's "not about Prince but people on the internet." You find my "empathy" waffle. So be it. I find your lack of empathy, blind. You tell me you're telling me something for the "zillioneth time" when I've never spoken to you here before. So what's the deal? I don't know you, or who is from ex-HQ and I don't care, I've been on this board since August.

Your "brothers in arms" shared info about a "font" that was considered copyright. A previous thread "Were you threatened/sued by Prince" led to admittances of copyright infringement by certain "so inclined" fans. In this thread, the reason of bitterness and closure of HQ became clear. The claim is that "Prince shut down HQ" but alas, there's no evidence of that.

Post 108 from BEYONDSPACE also said: "I think Aaron was asking for it. He knew that Prince and his camp didn't like photoshopped images on the header, but yet Aaron or whoever did it constantly. Even changed his symbol. Prince's camp provided housequake with banners and album art, but still they did that photoshopped header that looked like it could have been official but wasn't. I knew it wouldn't stay there for long."
When Prince's camp provides art etc but people photoshop and change things I would call that harassment.

As far as answering your question and this is my last post to you. You of all people should know that an example of something infringing copyright versus something "deemed to be of fair use" is a grey area.
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Reply #148 posted 10/11/09 6:28am

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muleFunk said:

jimino1 said:

^^definitely you are not alone!!

the real question is why isn't he doing something with Lotusfailure.com to keep his fan-base happy?

why did he take our money and run....and where has that money gone...
[Edited 10/10/09 20:30pm]
[Edited 10/10/09 20:32pm]


Now that is what pisses me off with Prince and the whole HQ/Org/other fam sites debacle. Prince easily could let or pay people like HQ or Ben to run the fan end of it and have his business people or some of "us" that were on the up and up run the CD/distribution of his stuff. The web thing is not that hard once you get around copyrights and payments.

The people who are running the websites did 100000% better job that what he's doing with Lotusflow3r. And Lotus is lightyears better than NPGMC.


Prince would be making a mistake if he did that. The word fan comes from "fanatic" right?
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Reply #149 posted 10/11/09 6:30am

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muleFunk said:

cborgman said:

but what is the difference between constructive criticism and what you are decrying as bitter? what is the difference between explaining why no one should join lotusflower and the posts about what a ripoff lotusflower is in this thread?


The difference between being critical and being bitter is reading the posts from the individuals postings. I agree with 90% of everything critical stated about Lotisflow3r.com in regards to the lack of substantial material. I agree with 60% of what is stated on here about the death of Housequake. There are people here on this site who can make very rational defenses of their positions and I might disagree with some of those but I can read and at least understand their stances.

Others come here everytime a new release and say negative things about the music.Or they will come here and state how (fill in the blank former associated artist) new album is better than Prince's new output. Next it's someone from the old AMP bitching about Crystal Ball.(Which 10 years ago really made sense but now it's tired bullshit.)

It's people who have blasted me on this site that I really like reading their rants because they make sense. The ORG is on it's game when good disagreements start and we used to have discussions about the stuff. Now it's lame ass flame wars and web bullying.

Start a survey or a thread of people who used to post here and now just lurk because of the massive negativity here and I think the answer would shock.


Join any other forum on line, be it sport, religion or another topic.
It's the same everywhere. It's noT the topic. IT'S THE PEOPLE!!!!!
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