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Thread started 08/14/08 6:13am

tricky99

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Prince challenge

For those complaining that the last 3 Prince albums have been of low quality I challenge u to put forth a musician that has matched or exceeded Prince with their work over the time period of 2004-2007.

The challenge should take into account quantity, quality, variety, musicianship, etc. This will give us folks who have appreciated the last 3 albums some reference point to understand where the critisizism is based.

Ok which artists top Musicology, 3121, and Planet Earth?
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Reply #1 posted 08/14/08 6:16am

Handel

Mika?
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Reply #2 posted 08/14/08 6:20am

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Handel said:

Mika?


who?
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Reply #3 posted 08/14/08 6:24am

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Mika?

falloff
OMG...r u serious
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Reply #4 posted 08/14/08 6:32am

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Well the poster asked to take into account quantity variety musicianship etc, didnt he?... Mika is said to have recorded all vocals on his album around 500 times -thats quantity for you, sang the same in a variety of tones, semi-deep to hitting some really high notes before finally settling on no-testicles-really high notes. Fact folks. As for musicianship the voice is the most underrated musical instrument. Mika is now perceived as the sucessor to Freddie Mercury.Plus he's twice as flamboyant onstage. Looks like a winner to me
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Reply #5 posted 08/14/08 6:36am

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Erika2k8 said:

Handel said:

Mika?

falloff
OMG...r u serious


Ok so this Mika character is a flake? I would think anyone that is comparable to Prince I would have at least heard the name. Mika?
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Reply #6 posted 08/14/08 6:41am

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UB40's new album is better than anything prince has done since emancipation.

check out some of the songs live at youtube
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Reply #7 posted 08/14/08 6:44am

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Handel said:

Mika?

eek Are you serious? lol Hasn't he done like one CD? lol
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I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #8 posted 08/14/08 6:45am

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RumAndRaisin said:

UB40's new album is better than anything prince has done since emancipation.

check out some of the songs live at youtube


Again people can't read. Don't come in here with some one-off record say Radiohead "moonbeams and whatever". This a specific time period and a specific amount of work. Any fool can claim album such-and-such is greater than some other album. Follow the criteria or shut-up.
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Reply #9 posted 08/14/08 6:46am

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tricky99 said:

For those complaining that the last 3 Prince albums have been of low quality I challenge u to put forth a musician that has matched or exceeded Prince with their work over the time period of 2004-2007.

The challenge should take into account quantity, quality, variety, musicianship, etc. This will give us folks who have appreciated the last 3 albums some reference point to understand where the critisizism is based.

Ok which artists top Musicology, 3121, and Planet Earth?

Do you mean any artist that has done 3 albums in the last 3 years who's quality matches or is better than Prince's or an artist with maybe one CD in that time period with great if not better work?
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #10 posted 08/14/08 6:52am

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purplecam said:

tricky99 said:

For those complaining that the last 3 Prince albums have been of low quality I challenge u to put forth a musician that has matched or exceeded Prince with their work over the time period of 2004-2007.

The challenge should take into account quantity, quality, variety, musicianship, etc. This will give us folks who have appreciated the last 3 albums some reference point to understand where the critisizism is based.

Ok which artists top Musicology, 3121, and Planet Earth?

Do you mean any artist that has done 3 albums in the last 3 years who's quality matches or is better than Prince's or an artist with maybe one CD in that time period with great if not better work?


The first part. Anyone can argue that album A is better then album B. I think people so overlook the work that prince does that they are down playing what it means to produce those 3 albums in that short of time containing the music they include.
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Reply #11 posted 08/14/08 6:57am

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tricky99 said:

purplecam said:


Do you mean any artist that has done 3 albums in the last 3 years who's quality matches or is better than Prince's or an artist with maybe one CD in that time period with great if not better work?


The first part. Anyone can argue that album A is better then album B. I think people so overlook the work that prince does that they are down playing what it means to produce those 3 albums in that short of time containing the music they include.

Now I understand. Thank you tricky99. Based on the question, I can't find anyone who can match this.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #12 posted 08/14/08 7:07am

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No.
I could list at least half a dozen and we both know what's going to happen.
You're going to get all "Prince fam-y" and puff out your chest and strike down with great vengeance and furious anger any artist/musician that doesn't completely write and produce and perform all of their stuff. And even then, you'll argue that P is better than "blank" musically.


So, no thanks. Don't want to play.

Have fun, though.
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Reply #13 posted 08/14/08 7:19am

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ButterscotchPimp said:

No.
I could list at least half a dozen and we both know what's going to happen.
You're going to get all "Prince fam-y" and puff out your chest and strike down with great vengeance and furious anger any artist/musician that doesn't completely write and produce and perform all of their stuff. And even then, you'll argue that P is better than "blank" musically.


So, no thanks. Don't want to play.

Have fun, though.


Someone already said Beck in my other thread. I respect Beck as an artist. Why bother to answer if u are afraid of the reply?
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Reply #14 posted 08/14/08 7:24am

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Jack White....White Stripes and Raconteurs.
Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
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Reply #15 posted 08/14/08 8:01am

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muirdo said:

Jack White....White Stripes and Raconteurs.


Feel free to expound on why u feel he/they belong in the same class as the trio albums. Some of us aren't that familiar with their work. I known he produces and white stripes that I have heard are pretty rock-funk sounding. Any latin ballads? r&b ballads? James brown knock offs? Any synth funk like black sweat? and weird future funk like 3121? Any acoustic ballads? how about a rap?
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Reply #16 posted 08/14/08 8:12am

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tricky99 said:

muirdo said:

Jack White....White Stripes and Raconteurs.


Feel free to expound on why u feel he/they belong in the same class as the trio albums. Some of us aren't that familiar with their work. I known he produces and white stripes that I have heard are pretty rock-funk sounding. Any latin ballads? r&b ballads? James brown knock offs? Any synth funk like black sweat? and weird future funk like 3121? Any acoustic ballads? how about a rap?



That sure didn't take long.
I rest my case.
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Reply #17 posted 08/14/08 8:24am

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tricky99 said:

muirdo said:

Jack White....White Stripes and Raconteurs.


Feel free to expound on why u feel he/they belong in the same class as the trio albums. Some of us aren't that familiar with their work. I known he produces and white stripes that I have heard are pretty rock-funk sounding. Any latin ballads? r&b ballads? James brown knock offs? Any synth funk like black sweat? and weird future funk like 3121? Any acoustic ballads? how about a rap?


Because his body of work since 2004 has been better than Prince's.
The White Stripes dont do Latin Ballads (Te Amo Corazon is shit) nor do they do any R&B ballads because that isnt the audience they are after.He doesnt do any James Brown knock offs because to be honest it is only Prince that knocks off James Brown these days.
Prince has been trying to get a commercial hit since 2004 and he's failed.And thats what his last 3 albums have been,they have some decent pop tunes but there isnt anything groundbreaking on them. ie The Rainbow Children.

But please dont take my word for it go listen to Get Behind Me Satan(2005),Broken Boy Soldiers(2006),Icky Thump(2007) and Consolers Of The Lonely (2008) and then come back here and tell me what Prince has done better than that since 2004 instead of us doing the work and trying to convince you.
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Fuck the funk - it's time to ditch the worn-out Vegas horns fills, pick up the geee-tar and finally ROCK THE MUTHA-FUCKER!! He hinted at this on Chaos, now it's time to step up and fully DELIVER!!
woot!
KrystleEyes 22/03/05
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Reply #18 posted 08/14/08 8:42am

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muirdo said:

tricky99 said:



Feel free to expound on why u feel he/they belong in the same class as the trio albums. Some of us aren't that familiar with their work. I known he produces and white stripes that I have heard are pretty rock-funk sounding. Any latin ballads? r&b ballads? James brown knock offs? Any synth funk like black sweat? and weird future funk like 3121? Any acoustic ballads? how about a rap?


Because his body of work since 2004 has been better than Prince's.
The White Stripes dont do Latin Ballads (Te Amo Corazon is shit) nor do they do any R&B ballads because that isnt the audience they are after.He doesnt do any James Brown knock offs because to be honest it is only Prince that knocks off James Brown these days.
Prince has been trying to get a commercial hit since 2004 and he's failed.And thats what his last 3 albums have been,they have some decent pop tunes but there isnt anything groundbreaking on them. ie The Rainbow Children.

But please dont take my word for it go listen to Get Behind Me Satan(2005),Broken Boy Soldiers(2006),Icky Thump(2007) and Consolers Of The Lonely (2008) and then come back here and tell me what Prince has done better than that since 2004 instead of us doing the work and trying to convince you.
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Excellant reply. This is what I'm looking for. Mr. White has had an excellant run. I can't critique those albums since I haven't heard them but I know Mr. White has been a critical darling as of late. Basically what u are saying is that Mr. White while very hard working and talented is running in one lane. U seem to imply that they don't do R&B ballads because that is not there audience. How about they don't do R&B ballads because they can't do them? That is also a possibility. From your own mouth they failed in one of the criteria I set forth and that was scope of variety.
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Reply #19 posted 08/14/08 8:44am

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tricky99 said:

muirdo said:



Because his body of work since 2004 has been better than Prince's.
The White Stripes dont do Latin Ballads (Te Amo Corazon is shit) nor do they do any R&B ballads because that isnt the audience they are after.He doesnt do any James Brown knock offs because to be honest it is only Prince that knocks off James Brown these days.
Prince has been trying to get a commercial hit since 2004 and he's failed.And thats what his last 3 albums have been,they have some decent pop tunes but there isnt anything groundbreaking on them. ie The Rainbow Children.

But please dont take my word for it go listen to Get Behind Me Satan(2005),Broken Boy Soldiers(2006),Icky Thump(2007) and Consolers Of The Lonely (2008) and then come back here and tell me what Prince has done better than that since 2004 instead of us doing the work and trying to convince you.
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Excellant reply. This is what I'm looking for. Mr. White has had an excellant run. I can't critique those albums since I haven't heard them but I know Mr. White has been a critical darling as of late. Basically what u are saying is that Mr. White while very hard working and talented is running in one lane. U seem to imply that they don't do R&B ballads because that is not there audience. How about they don't do R&B ballads because they can't do them? That is also a possibility. From your own mouth they failed in one of the criteria I set forth and that was scope of variety.



CLASSIC.
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Reply #20 posted 08/14/08 8:59am

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ButterscotchPimp said:

tricky99 said:



Excellant reply. This is what I'm looking for. Mr. White has had an excellant run. I can't critique those albums since I haven't heard them but I know Mr. White has been a critical darling as of late. Basically what u are saying is that Mr. White while very hard working and talented is running in one lane. U seem to imply that they don't do R&B ballads because that is not there audience. How about they don't do R&B ballads because they can't do them? That is also a possibility. From your own mouth they failed in one of the criteria I set forth and that was scope of variety.



CLASSIC.


hey if u play the game u have follow the rules. I told everybody the criteria. Its up the participants to make their case or argue thier points..
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Reply #21 posted 08/14/08 9:01am

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tricky99 said:

For those complaining that the last 3 Prince albums have been of low quality I challenge u to put forth a musician that has matched or exceeded Prince with their work over the time period of 2004-2007.

The challenge should take into account quantity, quality, variety, musicianship, etc. This will give us folks who have appreciated the last 3 albums some reference point to understand where the critisizism is based.

Ok which artists top Musicology, 3121, and Planet Earth?



LOL lol

I said that to the complainers the last time they were discussing PE...
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Reply #22 posted 08/14/08 9:15am

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I like the last three Prince albums a lot but if I didn't, how would the fact that none of the other artists of the last three years not being as talented as Prince change my opinion about Prince's last three albums? An artist can be talented as hell and still make a boring ass album. Hell, Shitney Houston is a very talented vocalist. That doesn't change the fact that her music is a bunch of dull ass shit that should have never been released to influence other dull people just like her and kill funk and ruin music forever. lol

Anyway, it sounds more like you are trying to stop people from complaining about Prince albums that they don't like. That ain't gonna happen because this is America and we have the right to complain about something we don't like. I know I'm gonna complain about dull ass acoustical albums like "The Truth", dull classical type albums like "NEWS" or "Karmasutra", and shit hop type albums like "New Power Soul" as much as I can. You never know, Prince himself may be reading the site and it's our way of saying...."don't do that dull shit no more". lol
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #23 posted 08/14/08 9:16am

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Handel said:

Mika?


I like his song Grace Kelly,but since he has only released 1 CD I don't think he can be compared to P. smile
Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life. ~Berthold Auerbach
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Reply #24 posted 08/14/08 9:19am

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tricky99 said:

ButterscotchPimp said:




CLASSIC.


hey if u play the game u have follow the rules. I told everybody the criteria. Its up the participants to make their case or argue thier points..


rolleyes
whaaaaatever.

like i said, you don't want a "discussion".
you want to judge every other artist that someone else might mention to "Prince standards".

like a three-year-old that wants to make up the rules to their own game, so they always win.

like i said, have fun with that.
don't be shocked if most people don't want to play.
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Reply #25 posted 08/14/08 9:28am

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Erika2k8 said:

Handel said:

Mika?

falloff
OMG...r u serious


falloff falloff falloff falloff
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Reply #26 posted 08/14/08 9:29am

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vainandy said:

I like the last three Prince albums a lot but if I didn't, how would the fact that none of the other artists of the last three years not being as talented as Prince change my opinion about Prince's last three albums? An artist can be talented as hell and still make a boring ass album. Hell, Shitney Houston is a very talented vocalist. That doesn't change the fact that her music is a bunch of dull ass shit that should have never been released to influence other dull people just like her and kill funk and ruin music forever. lol

Anyway, it sounds more like you are trying to stop people from complaining about Prince albums that they don't like. That ain't gonna happen because this is America and we have the right to complain about something we don't like. I know I'm gonna complain about dull ass acoustical albums like "The Truth", dull classical type albums like "NEWS" or "Karmasutra", and shit hop type albums like "New Power Soul" as much as I can. You never know, Prince himself may be reading the site and it's our way of saying...."don't do that dull shit no more". lol


God bless your soul but I'm already aware how limited your likes are. Your listening pleasures seem to fill a pretty narrow bandwidth. By the way there is nothing "classical" about NEWS and NPS can hardly be described as hip-hop.

I don't think I'm trying to change opinions. Either u like something or u don't but what I do want people to do is put Prince's output in context with what other people are doing or not doing. If I say PE is shit and Britney Spears is shit then I am equating them as equals. I don't believe that is the case and I don't think many of us do. But when u spout off that this or that is shit it is exactly what u are doing.
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vainandy said:

You never know, Prince himself may be reading the site and it's our way of saying...."don't do that dull shit no more". lol

If Prince really reads this thread he'd probably be like, "They don't like it huh? Well I'll show them!" and then proceed to make the same kind of album just to try and show you why we're wrong for complaining. I'm not saying that we shouldn't complain at all cause I have my issues too but I've learned that Prince doesn't care about our complaints. He'll change it up whenever he feels like changing it up, whether we like it or not.
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #28 posted 08/14/08 9:31am

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I think ur point is made,Tricky.Nobody'z come up with a legitimate challenge yet-bcuz there r none. wink
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Reply #29 posted 08/14/08 9:32am

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ButterscotchPimp said:

tricky99 said:



hey if u play the game u have follow the rules. I told everybody the criteria. Its up the participants to make their case or argue thier points..


rolleyes
whaaaaatever.

like i said, you don't want a "discussion".
you want to judge every other artist that someone else might mention to "Prince standards".

like a three-year-old that wants to make up the rules to their own game, so they always win.

like i said, have fun with that.
don't be shocked if most people don't want to play.


What do they have to lose? If u really feel that such-and-such has had a better run than the trio why not make a case for it? Why don't u put up or shut up?
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