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Reply #150 posted 10/09/07 3:43am

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kenlacam said:

NatePerk said:


WOW! You sure are reading too much into those lyrics!

And you sound like a crazed Prince fan who will believe any and everything written about him.


kenlacam - given that your very next post after this said "Believe what you will, unless Prince says himself that he took drugs, I don't believe it. Heresay(sic)", you sound like a crazed Prince fan who will believe any and everything Prince says!!! lol Believing everything Prince says can lead to a whole world of hurt for some fans!!!

In case you hadn't noticed, Prince was the author of this track, so whilst this is something that is written about him, it is written by him, which is as good as Prince coming round to yours and admitting it in person. To me and many others, this song is about the/a night that Prince took Ecstasy - he is describing it himslef it, 4 of his closest colleagues of the time also corroborate the story and, yet, you still dismiss it as hearsay? Incredible! A question for you - what would any of the witnesses who describe what happened that night gain by making up a story such as this?
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Reply #151 posted 10/09/07 5:10pm

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Flowerz said:



actually.. 'Anna Stesia' was written about his Xstacy night.. Greg n Ingrid were with him.. and Susan Rogers also was with him that night @ PP ... i dont believe all those ppl (like 3-4 accounts) would just make those stories up

Believe what you will, unless Prince says himself that he took drugs, I don't believe it. Heresay


and too .. if it's all 'heresy' .. Prince could have sued all those ppl for defamation ..
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Reply #152 posted 10/09/07 5:36pm

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First of all, your entitled to give your own interpretation of the lyrics to the song. I just don't agree with your interpretation. Second, I'm not one of those people who considers lyrics as meaningless. How can you say that about me, when you don't even know me?


Thanks for letting me know what my rights are rolleyes

So, what is your interpretation then? I'd like to hear another slant on what the lyrics mean.

And I made my suggestion based on your intial comment and it wasn't a statement of fact (I didn't say you "are" , I said you "seem") however, all is not lost because here, right now, you have the opportunity to dispel the notion - by supporting what you said. See, you didn't just say "I disagree", you said I was "reading too much" in to the lyrics. This implies that I am uncovering meanings that aren't there (suggesting a lack of comprehension) and also puts forward the idea that, somehow, the song has less meaning than what was stated. However. what I wrote was a brief summary of the general message of each verse and the chorus with the lyric to support my theory. If there is anywhere I have written something that flies in the face of the lyric the preceeds it, then please demonstrate this.

Furthermore, don't you think it rude to just comment on what you think I have done, without offering anything yourself? I can readily accept criticism, or a difference of opinion, but unsubstantiated knocking of someone's thoughts is unacceptable and sheer laziness on your part. (well, its either that or, as someone else suggested, you are possibly blinded by Prince fandom and just don't want to believe that Prince wrote a song about him taking drugs (despite that fact that he clearly decides God is more important) - though, by all means, prove me wrong by putting your take on the song here)
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I think the whole ecstacy story is a rumor probably started with Prince and his "associates" as a joke and a means to make more money.

If the whole ecstasy trip was such an awakening to the extent that Prince decided not to release the black album, why did Prince play some of the songs from the black album on the lovesexy tour?

Also, since the 90's Prince has been more accessible to the media, know one has ever asked Prince in an interview about the Ecstasy story, Why ?

I've never heard of anyone who was under the influence of any illegal substances draw closer to God as a result, Have you ?

Finally, I won't deny the lyrics suggest Prince was choosing God over evil, but I don't believe ecstasy nor any other drug for that matter leads anyone to experience the grace of God.
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Reply #153 posted 10/09/07 6:06pm

Mindflux

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NatePerk said:

Mindflux said:



Thanks for letting me know what my rights are rolleyes

So, what is your interpretation then? I'd like to hear another slant on what the lyrics mean.

And I made my suggestion based on your intial comment and it wasn't a statement of fact (I didn't say you "are" , I said you "seem") however, all is not lost because here, right now, you have the opportunity to dispel the notion - by supporting what you said. See, you didn't just say "I disagree", you said I was "reading too much" in to the lyrics. This implies that I am uncovering meanings that aren't there (suggesting a lack of comprehension) and also puts forward the idea that, somehow, the song has less meaning than what was stated. However. what I wrote was a brief summary of the general message of each verse and the chorus with the lyric to support my theory. If there is anywhere I have written something that flies in the face of the lyric the preceeds it, then please demonstrate this.

Furthermore, don't you think it rude to just comment on what you think I have done, without offering anything yourself? I can readily accept criticism, or a difference of opinion, but unsubstantiated knocking of someone's thoughts is unacceptable and sheer laziness on your part. (well, its either that or, as someone else suggested, you are possibly blinded by Prince fandom and just don't want to believe that Prince wrote a song about him taking drugs (despite that fact that he clearly decides God is more important) - though, by all means, prove me wrong by putting your take on the song here)
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I think the whole ecstacy story is a rumor probably started with Prince and his "associates" as a joke and a means to make more money.

If the whole ecstasy trip was such an awakening to the extent that Prince decided not to release the black album, why did Prince play some of the songs from the black album on the lovesexy tour?

Also, since the 90's Prince has been more accessible to the media, know one has ever asked Prince in an interview about the Ecstasy story, Why ?

I've never heard of anyone who was under the influence of any illegal substances draw closer to God as a result, Have you ?

Finally, I won't deny the lyrics suggest Prince was choosing God over evil, but I don't believe ecstasy nor any other drug for that matter leads anyone to experience the grace of God.


OK, we are getting somewhere, at least.

However, you are basing your opinion on the dismissal of overwhelming evidence to the contrary - do you seriously believe that Prince sat down with 4 cohorts and weaved an intricate web of deception so contrived as to seem utterly ridiculous? eek Come on! And look at the extent that Prince played this apparent game - he even includes a song about it on Lovesexy. Boy, that is some convoluted, far-reaching untruth to profess, no?

How on earth did this make Prince any money? The story didn't come out at the time and don't you think that is some major gamble? "Hmmm, if I pretend that I take drugs, I'll make mo money" - that just doesn't make sense. It wasn't the E story that turned Black in to the biggest bootleg of all time (er, which means Prince LOST a load of money!), it was the fact that one of the world's biggest stars at the time, on the back of the masterpiece SOTT had just inexplicably pulled his next album. THAT is what generated the hype and interest - not a supposed lie about popping a pill!

What does make sense is Prince performing some songs from the Black album (along with the rest of his more risqué material from previous years) for the first half of the concert as (and this perfectly mirrors his epiphany, no less) the whole "concept" of the concert is overcoming "worldy" pleasures (money/sex/drugs) and becoming a more spiritual being - aspiring to a higher self. Its part of the story and drama of the concert, so it is perfectly acceptable for Prince to perform these songs - if only for himself, he was re-living the experience on-stage and, perhaps, re-affirming his decisions.

You ask why Prince has never been asked about the Ecstasy story? You do realise that there are a multitude of obstacles and rules when it comes to a Prince interview! No pens, recorders, cameras, no EYE CONTACT! Most journalists shit themselves at the prospect of a Prince interview because he could pull it just like that and one of the biggest coups of that journalist's career has just disappeared through carelessness. However, despite not being asked specifically about that story, he has been asked whether he does drugs or not. The most recent I remember was in 1995 in an interview with Q magazine - I'm sure someone already quoted it on this thread, but Prince did not deny or admit it - he simply said "I'm open to lots of different experiences". That statement deliberately leads the reader to think that it is more likely that he has tried drugs (through its non-commital ambiguity), without actually admitting to it.

Actually, I know of many people who have turned from drugs to a more positive, even spritual/religious life. I know many that haven't - horses for courses...it depends on what you are looking for.

You casually substitue "drug" for "evil" in your last statement (a typical media trick!), yet you say this with no understanding or experience of the subject of your own! I have had a few quasi-religious experiences on certain drugs and ask anyone who has tried DMT whether they had a religious experience or not - people "meet" Buddah, God, all sorts of deities (largely dependent on your own beliefs and upbringing, I guess). You've never heard of an alcoholic "seeing the light" and making a full recovery? Not everyone who gets in to trouble with drugs is doomed, you know? And not everybody who takes drugs gets in to trouble either. The fact is, you cannot be so generalist about something which is inherently an extremely personal experience.

If that is what you choose to believe, so be it - but you nare ignoring far too many facts to make your opinion valid. In particular when it comes to Anna Stesia - what is this ambiguous evil you mention. And, let's just take one line here - why does Gregory (is it a complete co-incidence that one of the people who validates Prince's experience is featured in the song - or is this still part of Prince's masterplan to fool the world in to thinking he is a junkie?) look "like a ghost"? What "evil" would render a friend to look that way?
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Reply #154 posted 10/10/07 2:53am

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NatePerk said:


I think the whole ecstacy story is a rumor probably started with Prince and his "associates" as a joke and a means to make more money.

Also, since the 90's Prince has been more accessible to the media, know one has ever asked Prince in an interview about the Ecstasy story, Why ?


If it were just a joke, then that is precisely the reason why it WOULD have been a subject brought up more in interviews or by Prince himself - neither of which is true.


NatePerk said:


If the whole ecstasy trip was such an awakening to the extent that Prince decided not to release the black album, why did Prince play some of the songs from the black album on the lovesexy tour?


Because the tour was supposed to be a musical representation of this spiritual epiphany that brought about the Lovesexy album - The show split into to (dark/light, good/evil), with Anna Stesia being the crux of the show. The Black Album material was part of the Lovesexy show because it was part of the genesis of the album. The album was well known in the media by this point, even if a lot of people hadn't heard it, so it's not like Prince was trying to deny it's existence, he just didn't want it released.


NatePerk said:


I've never heard of anyone who was under the influence of any illegal substances draw closer to God as a result, Have you ?


Yes, of course. Cannabis and other natural substances such as mushrooms and peyote, etc have been used for thousands of years for precisely this purpose - spiritual exploration. Although I don't think this has much to do with Prince.


NatePerk said:


Finally, I won't deny the lyrics suggest Prince was choosing God over evil, but I don't believe ecstasy nor any other drug for that matter leads anyone to experience the grace of God.

You have a personal view of what God is, and millions of people across the world agree with you, and millions do not. Nothing more to say on that, you are entitled to your beliefs.
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Reply #155 posted 10/10/07 5:10am

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Lovesexy good Spookyelectric bad...

Prince was immersed in his world in 87/88 that a daliance with drugs is not such a surprising outcome as many would suppose.

That said... the opening lines of "Lovesexy" appear so sincere that I'm loathe to challenge them... that said... Prince was on such a jounrney down towards Lovesexy, he may very well have met, spoken to and enjoyed the company of others... if so, hurrah... if not ... well... get over it, really... (don't you think?)
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Reply #156 posted 10/10/07 5:52am

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Mindflux said:

NatePerk said:



I think the whole ecstacy story is a rumor probably started with Prince and his "associates" as a joke and a means to make more money.

If the whole ecstasy trip was such an awakening to the extent that Prince decided not to release the black album, why did Prince play some of the songs from the black album on the lovesexy tour?

Also, since the 90's Prince has been more accessible to the media, know one has ever asked Prince in an interview about the Ecstasy story, Why ?

I've never heard of anyone who was under the influence of any illegal substances draw closer to God as a result, Have you ?

Finally, I won't deny the lyrics suggest Prince was choosing God over evil, but I don't believe ecstasy nor any other drug for that matter leads anyone to experience the grace of God.


OK, we are getting somewhere, at least.

However, you are basing your opinion on the dismissal of overwhelming evidence to the contrary - do you seriously believe that Prince sat down with 4 cohorts and weaved an intricate web of deception so contrived as to seem utterly ridiculous? eek Come on! And look at the extent that Prince played this apparent game - he even includes a song about it on Lovesexy. Boy, that is some convoluted, far-reaching untruth to profess, no?

How on earth did this make Prince any money? The story didn't come out at the time and don't you think that is some major gamble? "Hmmm, if I pretend that I take drugs, I'll make mo money" - that just doesn't make sense. It wasn't the E story that turned Black in to the biggest bootleg of all time (er, which means Prince LOST a load of money!), it was the fact that one of the world's biggest stars at the time, on the back of the masterpiece SOTT had just inexplicably pulled his next album. THAT is what generated the hype and interest - not a supposed lie about popping a pill!

What does make sense is Prince performing some songs from the Black album (along with the rest of his more risqué material from previous years) for the first half of the concert as (and this perfectly mirrors his epiphany, no less) the whole "concept" of the concert is overcoming "worldy" pleasures (money/sex/drugs) and becoming a more spiritual being - aspiring to a higher self. Its part of the story and drama of the concert, so it is perfectly acceptable for Prince to perform these songs - if only for himself, he was re-living the experience on-stage and, perhaps, re-affirming his decisions.

You ask why Prince has never been asked about the Ecstasy story? You do realise that there are a multitude of obstacles and rules when it comes to a Prince interview! No pens, recorders, cameras, no EYE CONTACT! Most journalists shit themselves at the prospect of a Prince interview because he could pull it just like that and one of the biggest coups of that journalist's career has just disappeared through carelessness. However, despite not being asked specifically about that story, he has been asked whether he does drugs or not. The most recent I remember was in 1995 in an interview with Q magazine - I'm sure someone already quoted it on this thread, but Prince did not deny or admit it - he simply said "I'm open to lots of different experiences". That statement deliberately leads the reader to think that it is more likely that he has tried drugs (through its non-commital ambiguity), without actually admitting to it.

Actually, I know of many people who have turned from drugs to a more positive, even spritual/religious life. I know many that haven't - horses for courses...it depends on what you are looking for.

You casually substitue "drug" for "evil" in your last statement (a typical media trick!), yet you say this with no understanding or experience of the subject of your own! I have had a few quasi-religious experiences on certain drugs and ask anyone who has tried DMT whether they had a religious experience or not - people "meet" Buddah, God, all sorts of deities (largely dependent on your own beliefs and upbringing, I guess). You've never heard of an alcoholic "seeing the light" and making a full recovery? Not everyone who gets in to trouble with drugs is doomed, you know? And not everybody who takes drugs gets in to trouble either. The fact is, you cannot be so generalist about something which is inherently an extremely personal experience.

If that is what you choose to believe, so be it - but you nare ignoring far too many facts to make your opinion valid. In particular when it comes to Anna Stesia - what is this ambiguous evil you mention. And, let's just take one line here - why does Gregory (is it a complete co-incidence that one of the people who validates Prince's experience is featured in the song - or is this still part of Prince's masterplan to fool the world in to thinking he is a junkie?) look "like a ghost"? What "evil" would render a friend to look that way?
[Edited 10/9/07 18:14pm]


Here here! 100% agree wit your sir.

Have to say...I had a religious experience in Ibiza lat year after a few too many Absinthes - I actually thought I felt Gods presence in the way home in the taxi - when my husband asked me what he said I said 'Nothing! thats the whole point! it was just this dark omnipresence' I was sooo freaked out...the next day I realised this happened as were driving through the town of Jesus (hey zoos as its pronounced there) and think that might have had a teensy bit to do with it....
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Reply #157 posted 10/10/07 11:15am

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Very interesting thread. I think with the accounts of those close to Prince at the time and certainly the lyrix of "Superfunky..." shows that he has experimented with ecstacy. I think u have had to have tried it yourself to appreciate that. And why not? Inquisitive minds man.

Fair play to Excessex & Mindflux - excellent posts - restores my faith in the Org.
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Reply #158 posted 10/11/07 4:59pm

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Wow, it's interesting to see where this topic has gone!

Drugs (which covers quite a large area of chemicals both natural and manufactured) have been used for Vision Quests and spiritual awakenings for thousands of years. I don't think it's so far fetched to imagine Prince accidentally having a similar experience.

It's interesting that the secret message in the Alphabet Street video is "Don't buy the Black Album, I'm sorry" instead of something along the lines of "Don't try Ecstacy, it's scary". While I don't believe that Prince fabricated the story with friends, I do believe that he used the Black Album in a very specific way, making it the "forbidden fruit" and tempting his fans with it.

The use of the "secret" message, the Lovesexy tourbook description, the Black Album songs performed during the Lovesexy tour all seem to point to Prince crafting his own legend behind the album, which was infamous before it's non-release.
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Reply #159 posted 10/13/07 2:57am

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NightGod said:

Wow, it's interesting to see where this topic has gone!

Drugs (which covers quite a large area of chemicals both natural and manufactured) have been used for Vision Quests and spiritual awakenings for thousands of years. I don't think it's so far fetched to imagine Prince accidentally having a similar experience.

It's interesting that the secret message in the Alphabet Street video is "Don't buy the Black Album, I'm sorry" instead of something along the lines of "Don't try Ecstacy, it's scary". While I don't believe that Prince fabricated the story with friends, I do believe that he used the Black Album in a very specific way, making it the "forbidden fruit" and tempting his fans with it.

The use of the "secret" message, the Lovesexy tourbook description, the Black Album songs performed during the Lovesexy tour all seem to point to Prince crafting his own legend behind the album, which was infamous before it's non-release.


I'm loving the forbidden fruit theory! I know I fell for it - The Black Album is one of my faves and I do love the uncommercialness of it. Do you work in Marketing Night god? Only a genius marketing mind could see the inner workings of this strategy - love it!
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Reply #160 posted 10/13/07 12:31pm

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NatePerk said:


I think the whole ecstacy story is a rumor probably started with Prince and his "associates" as a joke and a means to make more money.


susan rogers gave her account many years after she was no longer one of prince's associates. she would have no reason to continue to perpetuate the rumor, and if she did it would be completely and entirely inconsistent with her attitude in everything else she has ever said about her time working with prince.

NatePerk said:

If the whole ecstasy trip was such an awakening to the extent that Prince decided not to release the black album, why did Prince play some of the songs from the black album on the lovesexy tour?


because he's an ass, a hypocrite, and a walking contradiction who has been in a struggle between nastiness and jesus since about 1984. whether you can pick holes in his supposed epiphany or not is irrelevant: what matters is that after taking drugs HE believed that he had a religious experience, and HE believed that the lovesexy tour and album was a celebration of that.

NatePerk said:

Also, since the 90's Prince has been more accessible to the media, know one has ever asked Prince in an interview about the Ecstasy story, Why ?


oh please....noone's ever asked prince about most things. noone's ever asked him about sinead o'connor's claim that he smacked her upside the head either. or eight million other stories and rumors about him.

NatePerk said:

I've never heard of anyone who was under the influence of any illegal substances draw closer to God as a result, Have you ?


PRINCE BELIEVED, under the influence, he was closer to God. as long as HE believed that, that's all that matters. people under the influence of drugs can believe pretty much anything if they take enough

you seem to be working under the pretense that god exists, and there is only one god, and that your one god is the same as prince's one god. which is stupid.
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Reply #161 posted 10/14/07 4:45pm

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Everybody wanted this album, so much, back in 1988!

A record store recorded the album, put it on a regular Maxell tape, and sold the tape, for...I think $24!

I was desperate. I can't believe I bought somebody's dubbing of the album. That shit is hilarious.
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Reply #162 posted 10/14/07 5:42pm

barneyboy

He took extacy just in one night?

Bullshit. When I saw him on the lovesexy tour in Birmingham he was gurning his face off!

Still amazing. Get over it. wink
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Reply #163 posted 10/16/07 6:22am

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barneyboy said:

He took extacy just in one night?

Bullshit. When I saw him on the lovesexy tour in Birmingham he was gurning his face off!

Still amazing. Get over it. wink


I saw lovesexy in brum!!! I cannot remember him gurning though - although i was still quite naive then. think i sulked for a bit cause the security took my camera from me and my mum and it had a picture of me clearing 5 foot 7 on my horse at a show the weekend b4 - I was GUTTED! Serves me right though....
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Reply #164 posted 11/03/07 4:29pm

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Reply #165 posted 11/03/07 4:35pm

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Who brought this damn thread back from the dead?!?!? confused lol
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Reply #166 posted 11/03/07 4:42pm

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Illustrator said:

NightGod said:

Susan Rogers has gone on record talking about that evening in an interview and how scared she was of Prince.

Well of course. Have you ever seen P on X?


OH MY MUTHERFUCKING GOODNESS! spit falloff hah! err shake lol
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