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Reply #90 posted 09/30/07 8:10pm

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Mindflux said:

fluid said:

For some reason I just don't see Prince taking drugs. He just doesn't seem like an e-tard.

And for Extacy, it doesn't make you see things. LSD make syou hallucinate and have visions. This sounds kinda weird.


Another prejuduice view - why is it so unlikely that Prince would not try drugs? There is no logic in that viewpoint - in fact, it is more likely that someone like Prince would have tried drugs at some point, given the industry he has worked in for 30 years is one of the most renowned for drug-taking. And all drug-takers are "e-tards" (sic), are they? Name me a few and I'll name you a bucketload who aren't smile

And you are wrong about ecstasy - a strong enough does will provide mild hallucinations and, if you're having a hard time with it, these can intensify. Furthermore, unless you buy pure MDMA, an ecstasy pill is likely cut with other substances, most commonly speed, but also opiates or ketamine - both of which will provide hallucinations once taken.



No I can see Prince taking a few drugs but not as a fulltime drughead. Maybe cause he's a postar. He does try to play small venues and have an uncorporate sound but he's still right up there with The King Of Pop. Superstars like Michael,Janet,and even Madonna don't have that image for taking huge amounts of drugs.
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Reply #91 posted 09/30/07 8:15pm

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robertes71 said:

Who's Susan Rogers, and what did she have to say?


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Reply #92 posted 09/30/07 8:32pm

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fluid said:

Mindflux said:



Another prejuduice view - why is it so unlikely that Prince would not try drugs? There is no logic in that viewpoint - in fact, it is more likely that someone like Prince would have tried drugs at some point, given the industry he has worked in for 30 years is one of the most renowned for drug-taking. And all drug-takers are "e-tards" (sic), are they? Name me a few and I'll name you a bucketload who aren't smile

And you are wrong about ecstasy - a strong enough does will provide mild hallucinations and, if you're having a hard time with it, these can intensify. Furthermore, unless you buy pure MDMA, an ecstasy pill is likely cut with other substances, most commonly speed, but also opiates or ketamine - both of which will provide hallucinations once taken.



No I can see Prince taking a few drugs but not as a fulltime drughead. Maybe cause he's a postar. He does try to play small venues and have an uncorporate sound but he's still right up there with The King Of Pop. Superstars like Michael,Janet,and even Madonna don't have that image for taking huge amounts of drugs.


That's fair enough, but nobody is suggesting that he's a "fulltime drughead", just that he's had one, or a few, experiences. Level of popstardom has nothing to do with whether someone will take drugs or not. Those you have mentioned have, perhaps (we don't know entirely for sure) made a choice not to do certain drugs, but it has nothing to do with their stature. There are many popstars, legends even bigger than any of the 80s legends, who were (in)famous for their drug-taking.
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Reply #93 posted 09/30/07 8:33pm

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fluid said:

Mindflux said:



Another prejuduice view - why is it so unlikely that Prince would not try drugs? There is no logic in that viewpoint - in fact, it is more likely that someone like Prince would have tried drugs at some point, given the industry he has worked in for 30 years is one of the most renowned for drug-taking. And all drug-takers are "e-tards" (sic), are they? Name me a few and I'll name you a bucketload who aren't smile

And you are wrong about ecstasy - a strong enough does will provide mild hallucinations and, if you're having a hard time with it, these can intensify. Furthermore, unless you buy pure MDMA, an ecstasy pill is likely cut with other substances, most commonly speed, but also opiates or ketamine - both of which will provide hallucinations once taken.



No I can see Prince taking a few drugs but not as a fulltime drughead. Maybe cause he's a postar. He does try to play small venues and have an uncorporate sound but he's still right up there with The King Of Pop. Superstars like Michael,Janet,and even Madonna don't have that image for taking huge amounts of drugs.


I have to agree with you. If Prince was heavily using, somehow, He wouldn't have been able to maintain his career. Let's face it, a "Sly Stone", Prince ain't! nod
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Reply #94 posted 09/30/07 8:47pm

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He would have a career. If you think he's wild and crazy now, you wouldn't want to see him on XTC.
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Reply #95 posted 10/01/07 5:07am

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Mindflux said:

So, Susan Rogers, Prince's-ex and Cat Glover, a colleague, both close associates of Prince around that time give similar accounts about what happened that night (a story which is coroborrated still further by other witnesses) and yet YOU doubt what they say? Why? And for what purpose would any of these people put forward such a convoluted story?

I don't think there's a good reason to doubt there accounts, which would support the thinking that this was the first time that Prince had experienced Ecstacy.

Have U ever been so lonely
That U felt like U were the
Only one in this world? (He has just split up with Susan and was very upset at the time - perhaps a reason he tried Ecstasy, to escape for a while)

You seem to be be implying that Prince and Susan Rogers had a romantic relatiuonship of some sort. Where is your evidence for this?
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Reply #96 posted 10/01/07 5:17am

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langebleu said:

You seem to be be implying that Prince and Susan Rogers had a romantic relatiuonship of some sort. Where is your evidence for this?
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I think the poster meant Susannah.


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Reply #97 posted 10/01/07 5:23am

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Mong said:


What a load of analytical bullshit. Only Prince knows what this song's about.


No. I think Mindflux is on the ball here. That 'Anna Stesia' is about that night is a widely accepted impression.
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Reply #98 posted 10/01/07 5:35am

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Mindflux said:

(He has just split up with Susan and was very upset at the time - perhaps a reason he tried Ecstasy, to escape for a while)

So, Susan Rogers, Prince's-ex and Cat Glover, a colleague.....


There has been no indication that he was romantically involved with Susan Rogers.
She said that it was very strange that he asked her if she still loved him - as there had been no previous exchange of "I love you's" between them.
She - and Karen Krattinger who was also told by Prince that night that he loved her - was the collegues /employees, but close ones, who had daily contact with him.(Susan Rogers had quit her job in late october, because she felt he had become impossible to work with.)
Cat, on the other hand, was supposedly one of his girlfriends at the time.

Perhaps as NoveuDance says you mean Susannah?

Prince was reportedly still missing her (and Wendy & Lisa).
And as I previously mentioned this took place around the "one year anniversary" of their breakup.
I always wondered whether he called her and/ or W & L that night as well.

Other than that I agree with your interpretations
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Reply #99 posted 10/01/07 5:40am

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Susan Rogers in Per Nilsen's DMSR book:
"It was two in the morning and it(Paisley) was empty. It was dark except for a couple of red candles and I heard a woman's voice say 'Are you looking for Prince?' I found out later the woman was Ingrid Chavez. And I said 'Yes. I'm supposed to meet him here at 2.a.m'. She said 'Well, he's here somewhere'
As I came out of the room, I suddenly came face to face with him and I'm certain he was high. His pupils were rally dilated and he looked unlike I'd ever seen him look before. He looked like he was tripping. He was standing very close to me and he asked, 'I just want to know one thing. Do you still love me?'
And I said that I did and that I knew he loved me. He said. 'Will you stay?' And I said 'No. I won't. Goodnight'. I headed to the door. It was really scary"


Yeah,I have this book.That's a chilling story! lol
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Reply #100 posted 10/01/07 5:47am

Virgo

NME 1995:

What about drugs. Do you take drugs?

Prince: I'm interested in all experiences.

Can I take that as a yes?

Prince: I didn't say that. I don't think people are interested. I'm not interested if you take drugs.

But you're an icon..

Prince : I don't see myself as an icon. I don't see that. Do people care if I take drugs? People aren't interested in me. I didn't put myself on a pedestal. If I'm on a pedestal it's because other people have put me there.


Hardly the answer of someone who's TOTALLY anti-drugs wink
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Reply #101 posted 10/01/07 9:14am

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Virgo said:

Mindflux said:

(He has just split up with Susan and was very upset at the time - perhaps a reason he tried Ecstasy, to escape for a while)

So, Susan Rogers, Prince's-ex and Cat Glover, a colleague.....


There has been no indication that he was romantically involved with Susan Rogers.
She said that it was very strange that he asked her if she still loved him - as there had been no previous exchange of "I love you's" between them.
She - and Karen Krattinger who was also told by Prince that night that he loved her - was the collegues /employees, but close ones, who had daily contact with him.(Susan Rogers had quit her job in late october, because she felt he had become impossible to work with.)
Cat, on the other hand, was supposedly one of his girlfriends at the time.

Perhaps as NoveuDance says you mean Susannah?

Prince was reportedly still missing her (and Wendy & Lisa).
And as I previously mentioned this took place around the "one year anniversary" of their breakup.
I always wondered whether he called her and/ or W & L that night as well.

Other than that I agree with your interpretations


Yes, I did mean Susannah biggrin
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Reply #102 posted 10/01/07 9:16am

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Virgo said:

NME 1995:

What about drugs. Do you take drugs?

Prince: I'm interested in all experiences.

Can I take that as a yes?

Prince: I didn't say that. I don't think people are interested. I'm not interested if you take drugs.

But you're an icon..

Prince : I don't see myself as an icon. I don't see that. Do people care if I take drugs? People aren't interested in me. I didn't put myself on a pedestal. If I'm on a pedestal it's because other people have put me there.


Hardly the answer of someone who's TOTALLY anti-drugs wink


Indeed - he said something similar to Q magazine around that period too.
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Reply #103 posted 10/01/07 9:19am

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I suspect that Prince may have tried drugs, but not made them a regular part of his "lifestyle."

I can't imagine that someone with his control issues would find the lack of control most drugs cause very appealing.
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Reply #104 posted 10/01/07 9:32am

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Here's another piece to this puzzle I've always found confusing: How is it that Prince dated Vanity while she was heavily into drugs? It's very hard to believe that he was oblivious to the situation. Given his controlling nature, how was this allowed into his life?

Wasn't there a quote from Mico Weaver concerning Prince using some kind of drug?

I'm in no way trying to insinuate that Prince was ever heavily into drugs, but it is clear that he was curious at various points in his career. The Ecstasy experience (maybe this should have been the alternate title to Lovesexy..I kid!) seems like an unusual starting point to someone to start to experiment. Prince makes a reference to smoking weed on "Now", with the "light us up and take a hit" line. Isn't he shown with a bong in the "Rock and Roll is Alive and it Lives in Minneapolis" video?

Ok, now to get obscure...there is unreleased audio circulating of Prince and a girl where he's interviewing her like they're on a radio show. I believe this is late 70's. Prince sounds either high or drunk (only my opinion) during the interview in his manner of speech and his giggling. Anyone else heard this? Opinions?
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Reply #105 posted 10/01/07 9:39am

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NightGod said:

My source: Cat Glover

I filmed a behind the scenes video of her modeling shoot last year (the one many of you have seen on youtube), and spent a couple days hanging out with Cat Glover. She is very open and shared some amazing stories with me. This is one:

1987: Prince had never tried Ecstasy, and was curious about it after Cat told him what it felt like. He asked Cat to get him some (it came from her, where the common misconception is that it came from Ingrid). Cat was in LA when Prince made his request. She got some and flew in to MN and was staying at a hotel when Prince's limo showed up. While they were both in her room, Cat suggested Prince take half a dose "because he was so small". He took the full dose and told Cat to wait for him. He rode off in his limo and Cat didn't hear from him until much later.

Prince decided to go to a club while he was tripping. It was here that he met Ingrid Chavez, which eventually led them to Paisley Park. Cat said she didn't think Ingrid knew Prince was tripping on E. Prince called Cat later from the limo and told her about Ingrid. She was riding with him at that point, and the three of them went out to Paisley, making for a historical night in Prince's career.

Even more interesting is her source for where she got the Ecstasy in the first place: Anthony Kiedis from the Red Hot Chili Peppers.

(On a side note, I haven't talked about my experiences with Cat here mainly because of the way people were attacking her on this board after she reappeared. I was one of the many who wondered what had happened to her after all these years, and I just got lucky that I knew Richard Hallmark, who designed the clothes Cat was modeling. Cat is very aware of who she is and where she's been, and is just an amazing person to hang out with. She's extremely open, outgoing and intelligent. This story is just an example of what she's been carrying around with her these past 20 years. Cat, if you're reading this, please write a book!)


He took a WHOLE one?

What a stud!
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Reply #106 posted 10/01/07 12:24pm

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NightGod said:
Here's another piece to this puzzle I've always found confusing: How is it that Prince dated Vanity while she was heavily into drugs? It's very hard to believe that he was oblivious to the situation. Given his controlling nature, how was this allowed into his life?


Maybe he was too busy with his other girlfriends at the time, such as Susan and Jill, to notice wink

Alan Leeds did say in one of the biographies that "one former girlfriend" told him that Prince had tried cocaine with her. I suspect that girlfriend was Vanity.
But once again, like the ecstacy experience, it was described as a one-time thing.
But who knows
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Reply #107 posted 10/01/07 1:34pm

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Wall said:

Mindflux said:

Wall - are you really saying there are no short, fat people and that onlky tall people can be heavy? I don't think I have ever heard of height being the determining factor in someone's weight - I thought it largely (no pun intended!) depended on body mass? But then, I'm not a doctor confused


Of course not. I was simply agreeing with whoever noted that even in drug usage, Prince's height is an issue. To think there's no correlation between his extreme lack of height and his lack of weight is foolish.

Back onto the topic: Does anyone know, and forgive me if I've missed this information, when did he trip the purple light fantastic? Was it a week before the Black Album was due? A month? Four days?


All I know was the album was still listed for release a week before it was to be released, then I show up at my local "wreckastow" on the relase date (I want to say December 8) and they looked at me like I was crazy and sure enough, no album. I kept going back weekly for a while and no album mad .
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Reply #108 posted 10/01/07 2:47pm

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robertes71 said:


He took a WHOLE one?

What a stud!

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Reply #109 posted 10/01/07 3:38pm

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IN THE BEGINNING...
LOVESEXY WAS ABOUT LONELINESS...LOVE.....AND GOD.....
AND ABOUT UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.....
AND GODS LOVE FOR US ALL!

AND I FEEL THAT THIS IS THE TRUTH
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Reply #110 posted 10/02/07 11:04am

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I just want to clarify something.
I didn't think of this myself while going through the whole thread. But I was talking to someone outside the boards about my latest album reviews and such and he said something about the story I didn't take into consideration.

So, I ask.

Did he write the album under the influence?
Or was he high on giggle Squirrelmeat giggle after he wrote the material and he had that epiphany a couple of days before releasing?

I'm sorry... since hearing that song, I giggle @ the word "Squirrelmeat"... cuz it just sounds so funny.
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Reply #111 posted 10/02/07 11:33am

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NightGod said:

Here's another piece to this puzzle I've always found confusing: How is it that Prince dated Vanity while she was heavily into drugs? It's very hard to believe that he was oblivious to the situation. Given his controlling nature, how was this allowed into his life?

Wasn't there a quote from Mico Weaver concerning Prince using some kind of drug?

I'm in no way trying to insinuate that Prince was ever heavily into drugs, but it is clear that he was curious at various points in his career. The Ecstasy experience (maybe this should have been the alternate title to Lovesexy..I kid!) seems like an unusual starting point to someone to start to experiment. Prince makes a reference to smoking weed on "Now", with the "light us up and take a hit" line. Isn't he shown with a bong in the "Rock and Roll is Alive and it Lives in Minneapolis" video?

Ok, now to get obscure...there is unreleased audio circulating of Prince and a girl where he's interviewing her like they're on a radio show. I believe this is late 70's. Prince sounds either high or drunk (only my opinion) during the interview in his manner of speech and his giggling. Anyone else heard this? Opinions?


I think I know which radio interview you're referring to. Don't know if Prince was high or drunk during the interview, but the girl in the interview got on my nerves.
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Reply #112 posted 10/02/07 3:28pm

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DreamyPopRoyalty said:

I just want to clarify something.
I didn't think of this myself while going through the whole thread. But I was talking to someone outside the boards about my latest album reviews and such and he said something about the story I didn't take into consideration.

So, I ask.

Did he write the album under the influence?
Or was he high on giggle Squirrelmeat giggle after he wrote the material and he had that epiphany a couple of days before releasing?

I'm sorry... since hearing that song, I giggle @ the word "Squirrelmeat"... cuz it just sounds so funny.


Very doubtful since the songs on the album were recorded on different dates (I'm sure someone here will break it all down for us) prior to Prince making his request of Cat. Judging from Prince's reaction to the experience, it's hard to imagine he'd had it before, let alone been tripping in the studio.
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Reply #113 posted 10/02/07 3:38pm

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Susan Rogers has gone on record talking about that evening in an interview and how scared she was of Prince.

Well of course. Have you ever seen P on X?
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Reply #114 posted 10/04/07 10:59pm

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If any of this is true, I might stop being a fan.

Jimi, on drugs, is one thing. Prince, on drugs, is another.
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Reply #115 posted 10/05/07 1:10am

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williamb610 said:

If any of this is true, I might stop being a fan.

Jimi, on drugs, is one thing. Prince, on drugs, is another.

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Reply #116 posted 10/05/07 4:54am

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psychodelicide said:

NightGod said:

Here's another piece to this puzzle I've always found confusing: How is it that Prince dated Vanity while she was heavily into drugs? It's very hard to believe that he was oblivious to the situation. Given his controlling nature, how was this allowed into his life?

Wasn't there a quote from Mico Weaver concerning Prince using some kind of drug?

I'm in no way trying to insinuate that Prince was ever heavily into drugs, but it is clear that he was curious at various points in his career. The Ecstasy experience (maybe this should have been the alternate title to Lovesexy..I kid!) seems like an unusual starting point to someone to start to experiment. Prince makes a reference to smoking weed on "Now", with the "light us up and take a hit" line. Isn't he shown with a bong in the "Rock and Roll is Alive and it Lives in Minneapolis" video?

Ok, now to get obscure...there is unreleased audio circulating of Prince and a girl where he's interviewing her like they're on a radio show. I believe this is late 70's. Prince sounds either high or drunk (only my opinion) during the interview in his manner of speech and his giggling. Anyone else heard this? Opinions?


I think I know which radio interview you're referring to. Don't know if Prince was high or drunk during the interview, but the girl in the interview got on my nerves.



I know the radio interview you guys are referring to.It's from 1978 and is commonly known as the "KFUNK" interview lol I have it on one of my bootlegs.It's just Prince and a girlfriend playing around.She's pretending to interview him.The whole thing is silly,lol.I like the part where she starts laughing hysterically for a few minutes lol
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Reply #117 posted 10/05/07 7:56am

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Thanks for starting this thread, NightGod. I've really enjoyed it.

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Reply #118 posted 10/05/07 8:00am

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Well, I gave the album a second listen.
I won't go into details about the tracks as of yet.
But heh, except for that little mention of SquirrelMeat giggle doesn't seem like he was high while writing these.

I don't necessarily see anything "evil" about it (of course, anything can happen, I suppose). Meaning it was too personal, Prince was in a really dark place or he was extremely high on the bad stuff when he had that epiphany. There's a lot of mystery about him during that time.

It's definitely grown on me a lot and I have less things to accuse of "weird" or strange.
Bob George, I'm getting into little by little... the sound effects of his "laser" just get on my nerves, that's pretty much the only thing left. Catchy beat... one of Prince's finest revenge pieces yet.
But even stranger is the song "When 2 R in Love"... what made him put that song on there? It's not a party song and it really doesn't go with anything.
Maybe it was a SOTT outtake he really wanted to get out there, but he believed in the song enough (clearly wasn't evil) that it was also in Lovesexy.

So I pose this question: is there anything on Lovesexy as beautiful as "When 2 R in love"? Cuz its in my head down and just sweeps me off my feet. cloud9
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Reply #119 posted 10/05/07 8:17am

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LaLaLAHeHEHE said:

If you listen to the black album it was obvious he was on esctacy while he made the album. Anyone who has tried it will know!!


Just reading through this and thinking the very same!!! For instance 'superfunky....'
If u do 2 much, your skin will be sensitive 2 touch
The first person that touches u, u want 2 fuck
U take them 2 your crib and u tie them 2 a chair
Then u make funny faces til they get really scared
Then u turn on the neon, then u play with yourself
Til u turn them on

Although this is quite an extreme reaction confused
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