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wasitgood4u said: Ok, try this interpretation:
Prince had this weird experience with ecstasy. He rarely takes drugs (the MJ, JB vid would seem to indicate that it's not "never"). This happening at the whole Black/Lovesexy juncture, provided a great METAPHOR for him which he executed in pulling the Black album and dramatized in the concert. In other words, he had a kind of inspiration on that night for this whole idea of a battle between Spooky Electric, Camille etc. It may be that the Black album "scared" him while under the influence. But my guess is that afterwards he looked at the experience more objectively and drew on it as material for his creativity, as artists do. | |
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aliuk1 said: The story as I understand it, is that Prince took ecstasy, had a 'vision' (or whatever you wanna call it), decided that the Black Album was evil and had it pulled. The Lovesexy album was recorded and relesed in it's place.
BUT... There's one thing about this story that's never made sense to me. How come he played a lot of the Black Album tracks on the Lovesexy tour? Did he change his mind after Lovesexy was released, deciding that those tracks weren't evil after all? Wasn't it just done for publicity? My thoughts exactly! I think he did it all for publicity. The more he tried to convince people not to buy the black album, the more they became interested. Why else was the album made conveniently available for the boot leggers? The album was distributed all over the place. Prince must have been aware of that and to my knowledge he didn't do anything to stop it. As controlling as he is, I would think he would have at least attempted to stop the distribution, if he didn't want the album to get out. By the way, it worked just fine for me. I had to have the album, when I heard all the mysterious things about it. I know I wasn't the only sucker who fell for it. love the one who is Love! | |
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GiGi319 said: aliuk1 said: The story as I understand it, is that Prince took ecstasy, had a 'vision' (or whatever you wanna call it), decided that the Black Album was evil and had it pulled. The Lovesexy album was recorded and relesed in it's place.
BUT... There's one thing about this story that's never made sense to me. How come he played a lot of the Black Album tracks on the Lovesexy tour? Did he change his mind after Lovesexy was released, deciding that those tracks weren't evil after all? Wasn't it just done for publicity? My thoughts exactly! I think he did it all for publicity. The more he tried to convince people not to buy the black album, the more they became interested. Why else was the album made conveniently available for the boot leggers? The album was distributed all over the place. Prince must have been aware of that and to my knowledge he didn't do anything to stop it. As controlling as he is, I would think he would have at least attempted to stop the distribution, if he didn't want the album to get out. By the way, it worked just fine for me. I had to have the album, when I heard all the mysterious things about it. I know I wasn't the only sucker who fell for it. I agree 100%. I heard P wanted to do a bootleg album ever since 1982. The Black Album never would have been leaked so widely if it wasn't intentional. Many on here weren't old enough or weren't fans of P in the first to even know what it was like then. I myself got a copy early on and was excited as hell. Bob George is still to this day, one of my all time fave songs by P. The album is bangin' except for the weak ass "When 2 R In Love". I think he was trying to be funny by including that on Lovesexy. The Black Album SHOULD have been released at that time. I always though he should have released it as a double album along with Lovesexy. The good and evil album. That would have sold through the roof. He would have had cool songs to pick from, mixing it up like that. He could have easily released "Le Grind" and then followed up with "Positivity". He ended up playing many cuts from the Black album on the Lovesexy tour anyways. He could have done a whole concept and tour off of pairing the two albums together and releasing them as one. "The Evil Side" and then "The I Wish U Heaven Side". The album cover would have been amazing. The front cover could have had him looking totally demonic like we know he can look and then the backside could have been the cover from Lovesexy. It would have sold like white bread. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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blackguitaristz said: I always though he should have released it as a double album along with Lovesexy. The good and evil album. That would have sold through the roof.
I think a lot of fans feel this way but after the double album of SOT I doubt WB would have let him release another double album so soon. Another great chance missed. | |
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wasitgood4u said: Ok, try this interpretation:
Prince had this weird experience with ecstasy. He rarely takes drugs (the MJ, JB vid would seem to indicate that it's not "never"). This happening at the whole Black/Lovesexy juncture, provided a great METAPHOR for him which he executed in pulling the Black album and dramatized in the concert. In other words, he had a kind of inspiration on that night for this whole idea of a battle between Spooky Electric, Camille etc. It may be that the Black album "scared" him while under the influence. But my guess is that afterwards he looked at the experience more objectively and drew on it as material for his creativity, as artists do. Makes sense to me. WOW... 
Just to add a little bit to the story, I just heard in an interview that he wrote the music originally for Sheila E's birthday party and he wanted to make a party album that was a response to rap & hip-hop and how rap is not real music, etc, etc. That kind opened my eyes (and ears) to all kinds of possibilities. And you guys gotta hear this. I was tossing and turning all night. I don't think I know what I dreamt about. But I could vaguely see myself playing thru tracks of TBA for the first time... that is itself is scary. So today is going to be the day. I'll come back with a response later. And thanks for starting this thread, I enjoy hearing all this "Prince history." Let's me learn more about him and how his mind works, as complex as it is. had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone | |
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blackguitaristz said: GiGi319 said: My thoughts exactly! I think he did it all for publicity. The more he tried to convince people not to buy the black album, the more they became interested. Why else was the album made conveniently available for the boot leggers? The album was distributed all over the place. Prince must have been aware of that and to my knowledge he didn't do anything to stop it. As controlling as he is, I would think he would have at least attempted to stop the distribution, if he didn't want the album to get out. By the way, it worked just fine for me. I had to have the album, when I heard all the mysterious things about it. I know I wasn't the only sucker who fell for it. I agree 100%. I heard P wanted to do a bootleg album ever since 1982. The Black Album never would have been leaked so widely if it wasn't intentional. Many on here weren't old enough or weren't fans of P in the first to even know what it was like then. I myself got a copy early on and was excited as hell. Bob George is still to this day, one of my all time fave songs by P. The album is bangin' except for the weak ass "When 2 R In Love". I think he was trying to be funny by including that on Lovesexy. The Black Album SHOULD have been released at that time. I always though he should have released it as a double album along with Lovesexy. The good and evil album. That would have sold through the roof. He would have had cool songs to pick from, mixing it up like that. He could have easily released "Le Grind" and then followed up with "Positivity". He ended up playing many cuts from the Black album on the Lovesexy tour anyways. He could have done a whole concept and tour off of pairing the two albums together and releasing them as one. "The Evil Side" and then "The I Wish U Heaven Side". The album cover would have been amazing. The front cover could have had him looking totally demonic like we know he can look and then the backside could have been the cover from Lovesexy. It would have sold like white bread. I agree 100%, and I think an evil/good album would have not only been one of Prince's top selling records, it would have had a great impact on the US ticket sales for the Lovesexy tour. | |
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Well he kinda did that, didn't he? With the Lovesexy Tour featuring the dark half (with lots of Black album cuts) and then the journey 'across the line' to the lighter half. The double album idea is interesting (I can kinda see the PACKAGING in my mind  but I think he achieved much more by doing it as he did. I think the reviews of SOTT, many of which compared it to the Beatles' 'White' album surely must have sparked his imagination hence the 'Black' album, and then the stroke of genius of making it even blacker by being a bootleg and unavailable. Again, think then of how the Lovesexy singles were packaged ('naked' in clear sleeves) and you have the double album deconstructed across the media and categories of media. Certainly, it was this 'getting a number one in the bootleg charts' that absolutely convinced me of Prince's genius..not just in music, on stage but in the media. And that's what he's still being a genius at.
The summoning of the ghost of SOTT today into life in the UK is another masterstroke, setting up what will surely be his next 'clearing of the table'. The good licks are comin' out! blackguitaristz said: I agree 100%. I heard P wanted to do a bootleg album ever since 1982. The Black Album never would have been leaked so widely if it wasn't intentional. Many on here weren't old enough or weren't fans of P in the first to even know what it was like then. I myself got a copy early on and was excited as hell. Bob George is still to this day, one of my all time fave songs by P. The album is bangin' except for the weak ass "When 2 R In Love". I think he was trying to be funny by including that on Lovesexy. The Black Album SHOULD have been released at that time. I always though he should have released it as a double album along with Lovesexy. The good and evil album. That would have sold through the roof. He would have had cool songs to pick from, mixing it up like that. He could have easily released "Le Grind" and then followed up with "Positivity". He ended up playing many cuts from the Black album on the Lovesexy tour anyways. He could have done a whole concept and tour off of pairing the two albums together and releasing them as one. "The Evil Side" and then "The I Wish U Heaven Side". The album cover would have been amazing. The front cover could have had him looking totally demonic like we know he can look and then the backside could have been the cover from Lovesexy. It would have sold like white bread. | |
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I don't believe the "Cat Glover" account. For the most part, this is an unsubstantiated rumor, just like all the other rumors about him. Only Prince knows if he did drugs or not. | |
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For some reason I just don't see Prince taking drugs. He just doesn't seem like an e-tard.
And for Extacy, it doesn't make you see things. LSD make syou hallucinate and have visions. This sounds kinda weird. Working up a purple sweat. | |
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Cocaine gives you a load of your future energy in one go and ecstasy gives you a load of your future happiness in one go. When you get there, instead of energy or happiness, you find you've just got the nasty checmicals making you feel like shit.
Just say 'Maybe', kids fluid said: For some reason I just don't see Prince taking drugs. He just doesn't seem like an e-tard.
And for Extacy, it doesn't make you see things. LSD make syou hallucinate and have visions. This sounds kinda weird. | |
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fluid said: For some reason I just don't see Prince taking drugs. He just doesn't seem like an e-tard.
And for Extacy, it doesn't make you see things. LSD make syou hallucinate and have visions. This sounds kinda weird. Another prejuduice view - why is it so unlikely that Prince would not try drugs? There is no logic in that viewpoint - in fact, it is more likely that someone like Prince would have tried drugs at some point, given the industry he has worked in for 30 years is one of the most renowned for drug-taking. And all drug-takers are "e-tards" (sic), are they? Name me a few and I'll name you a bucketload who aren't 
And you are wrong about ecstasy - a strong enough does will provide mild hallucinations and, if you're having a hard time with it, these can intensify. Furthermore, unless you buy pure MDMA, an ecstasy pill is likely cut with other substances, most commonly speed, but also opiates or ketamine - both of which will provide hallucinations once taken. ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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It's true.
And even pure MDMA can play visual/conceptual tricks. The cut stuff is just too unpredictable which is why I'd never try it again. My last experience was so frightening I kind of wish I could do it again just to try and figure out wtf was going on. It's nuts really. I was with a girl who had a bit of grief going on with her ex. During sex, I hallucinated her ex standing watching us but somehow warning me 'It's not me, it's her'. Next day I saw a picture of her ex for the first time and it was the guy I'd hallucinated! Without a doubt. And as if that weren't enough of a headfunk, the girl suddenly threw an absolute blinder of a tantrum when this ex phoned to ask when he could pick up their son next day. Safe to say, I raised my right hand and cried 'Taxi'
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kenlacam said: I don't believe the "Cat Glover" account. For the most part, this is an unsubstantiated rumor, just like all the other rumors about him. Only Prince knows if he did drugs or not.
So, Susan Rogers, Prince's-ex and Cat Glover, a colleague, both close associates of Prince around that time give similar accounts about what happened that night (a story which is coroborrated still further by other witnesses) and yet YOU doubt what they say? Why? And for what purpose would any of these people put forward such a convoluted story? You sound like one of those "Prince would never take drugs" people who is in denial about the fact that they're hero actually did try drugs - at least once! Furthermore - go back and re-listen to AnnaStesia, that whole song is about his dark experience on ecstasy - so you also have if from the horse's mouth. Have U ever been so lonely That U felt like U were the Only one in this world? (He has just split up with Susan and was very upset at the time - perhaps a reason he tried Ecstasy, to escape for a while) Have U ever wanted 2 play With someone so much U'd take Any one boy or girl? (Given the euphoric and sometimes sexual effect of ecstasy, this line is hinting at the E's side-effects) Anna Stesia come 2 me Talk 2 me, ravish me Liberate my mind Tell me what U think of me Praise me, craze me Out this space and time (AnnaStesia means "resurrection" or "re-birth" - supporting the Prince epiphany theory. The drugs effect would have made his mind feel liberated and "out this space and time") Between white and black, night and day Black night seemed like the only way... So I danced (In his state of depression, "black night" (ie doing the risky, dangerous thing) seemed like the only way out of his sadness. "So I danced" - exactly what E is for). Music late, nothing great No way 2 differentiate I took a chance (Feeling uninspired by the music and, if we are to believe Cat's story, he has been told how E will make him happy, how it enhances the music and makes a more party atmosphere, so he "takes a chance"). Gregory looks just like a ghost And then a beautiful girl the most Wets her lips 2 say (The onset of the "visions" or hallucinations. His friends Gregory looks like a ghost and then, we might assume this is Ingrid who is the beautiful girl that goes to talk to him) "We could live 4 a little while If U could just learn 2 smile U and I could fly away, fly away." (She's trying to relax him and get him more in the mood". ) Anna Stesia come 2 me Talk 2 me, ravish me Liberate my mind Tell me what U think of me Praise me, craze me Out this space and time Maybe, maybe, maybe I could learn 2 love I mean the right way, I mean the only way Perhaps U could show me, baby (show me, baby) (He pleads with her to show him the way) Anna Stesia come 2 me Talk 2 me, ravish me Liberate my mind Maybe, maybe, maybe I could learn 2 love If I was just closer 2 somethin' (closer) Closer 2 your higher self I don't know Closer 2 heaven (Maybe) closer 2 God (closer to God) (Prince is starting to realise that, instead of relying on a drug to make himself happy, he should aspire to a "higher self" and get "closer to God") Save me Jesus, I've been a fool How could I forget that U are the rule (Prince chooses Jesus over drugs) U are my God, I am Your child From now on, 4 U I shall be wild I shall be quick I shall be strong I'll tell Your story, no matter how long (no matter how... no matter) (Prince will remain clear and sharp and commited to God, rather than worldly pleasures) We're just a play in Your master plan Now, my Lord I understand (end of epiphany!) (I understand) Love is God, God is love Girls and boys love God above [repeated over chorus] (Prince's resultant new mantra) Anyone else agree/disagree? [Edited 9/30/07 14:20pm] ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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Mindflux said: So, Susan Rogers, Prince's-ex and Cat Glover, a colleague, both close associates of Prince around that time give similar accounts about what happened that night (a story which is coroborrated still further by other witnesses) and yet YOU doubt what they say? Why? And for what purpose would any of these people put forward such a convoluted story? You sound like one of those "Prince would never take drugs" people who is in denial about the fact that they're hero actually did try drugs - at least once! Actually, when I first read it about it on Wikipedia (very early in my journey, I went there to read his whole life story), I was a bit skeptical... but I actually accepted it right away, especially after getting proof. I had the Mr. Fink account (2ndary account) in mind... but when I heard about Susan Rodgers, especially in the interview I heard yesterday... some scary stuff. But with witnesses, really can't deny this particular incident. Can't say much about otherwise cuz I don't know otherwise. Only he knows and I'll just leave it at that.  had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone | |
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Yeah. This is pretty close, I'd say.
Excellent. Mindflux said: So, Susan Rogers, Prince's-ex and Cat Glover, a colleague, both close associates of Prince around that time give similar accounts about what happened that night (a story which is coroborrated still further by other witnesses) and yet YOU doubt what they say? Why? And for what purpose would any of these people put forward such a convoluted story? You sound like one of those "Prince would never take drugs" people who is in denial about the fact that they're hero actually did try drugs - at least once! Furthermore - go back and re-listen to AnnaStesia, that whole song is about his dark experience on ecstasy - so you also have if from the horse's mouth. Have U ever been so lonely That U felt like U were the Only one in this world? (He has just split up with Susan and was very upset at the time - perhaps a reason he tried Ecstasy, to escape for a while) Have U ever wanted 2 play With someone so much U'd take Any one boy or girl? (Given the euphoric and sometimes sexual effect of ecstasy, this line is hinting at the E's side-effects) Anna Stesia come 2 me Talk 2 me, ravish me Liberate my mind Tell me what U think of me Praise me, craze me Out this space and time (AnnaStesia means "resurrection" or "re-birth" - supporting the Prince epiphany theory. The drugs effect would have made his mind feel liberated and "out this space and time") Between white and black, night and day Black night seemed like the only way... So I danced (In his state of depression, "black night" (ie doing the risky, dangerous thing) seemed like the only way out of his sadness. "So I danced" - exactly what E is for). Music late, nothing great No way 2 differentiate I took a chance (Feeling uninspired by the music and, if we are to believe Cat's story, he has been told how E will make him happy, how it enhances the music and makes a more party atmosphere, so he "takes a chance"). Gregory looks just like a ghost And then a beautiful girl the most Wets her lips 2 say (The onset of the "visions" or hallucinations. His friends Gregory looks like a ghost and then, we might assume this is Ingrid who is the beautiful girl that goes to talk to him) "We could live 4 a little while If U could just learn 2 smile U and I could fly away, fly away." (She's trying to relax him and get him more in the mood". ) Anna Stesia come 2 me Talk 2 me, ravish me Liberate my mind Tell me what U think of me Praise me, craze me Out this space and time Maybe, maybe, maybe I could learn 2 love I mean the right way, I mean the only way Perhaps U could show me, baby (show me, baby) (He pleads with her to show him the way) Anna Stesia come 2 me Talk 2 me, ravish me Liberate my mind Maybe, maybe, maybe I could learn 2 love If I was just closer 2 somethin' (closer) Closer 2 your higher self I don't know Closer 2 heaven (Maybe) closer 2 God (closer to God) (Prince is starting to realise that, instead of relying on a drug to make himself happy, he should aspire to a "higher self" and get "closer to God") Save me Jesus, I've been a fool How could I forget that U are the rule (Prince chooses Jesus over drugs) U are my God, I am Your child From now on, 4 U I shall be wild I shall be quick I shall be strong I'll tell Your story, no matter how long (no matter how... no matter) (Prince will remain clear and sharp and commited to God, rather than worldly pleasures) We're just a play in Your master plan Now, my Lord I understand (end of epiphany!) (I understand) Love is God, God is love Girls and boys love God above [repeated over chorus] (Prince's resultant new mantra) Anyone else agree/disagree? | |
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excessex said: It's true.
And even pure MDMA can play visual/conceptual tricks. The cut stuff is just too unpredictable which is why I'd never try it again. My last experience was so frightening I kind of wish I could do it again just to try and figure out wtf was going on. It's nuts really. I was with a girl who had a bit of grief going on with her ex. During sex, I hallucinated her ex standing watching us but somehow warning me 'It's not me, it's her'. Next day I saw a picture of her ex for the first time and it was the guy I'd hallucinated! Without a doubt. And as if that weren't enough of a headfunk, the girl suddenly threw an absolute blinder of a tantrum when this ex phoned to ask when he could pick up their son next day. Safe to say, I raised my right hand and cried 'Taxi'
PS-If anybody has any explanations of what I experienced to offer, I'd be glad to hear 'em as this one has me permanently bamboozled! Mindflux said: a strong enough does will provide mild hallucinations and, if you're having a hard time with it, these can intensify. Furthermore, unless you buy pure MDMA, an ecstasy pill is likely cut with other substances, most commonly speed, but also opiates or ketamine - both of which will provide hallucinations once taken. I will try and give a rational explanation, hard as it is! You see, often with psychoactives and hallucinogens, users often a feel a bit of spiritual "cleansing" - a sorting out of feelings and emotions (not always the case, but its commonly reported). If you were feeling uneasy, or mis-trusting of this girl, even if you weren't fully aware of it, the drug could have brought those feelings to the surface. It is more difficult to explain how you could have seen the exact same man in your "vision" before you's seen the photograph - the only explanation I can think of for this is that you had already, inadvertently or sub-consciously seen a photo of this man. Now, this may sound ludicrous - but do you know who Derren Brown is? He's very popular in the UK and uses Neuro-linguistic Programming to control people and elicit pretty much what he wants from a person, without the subject realising it. In one of his stunts, he shows just how susceptible to subliminal advertising and imagery people are. Watch this clip and see how it is that I think that you may have seen him without realising it and your "influenced" mind just put all the pieces together for you. http://www.youtube.com/wa...yQjr1YL0zg [Edited 9/30/07 14:39pm] ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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DreamyPopRoyalty said: Mindflux said: So, Susan Rogers, Prince's-ex and Cat Glover, a colleague, both close associates of Prince around that time give similar accounts about what happened that night (a story which is coroborrated still further by other witnesses) and yet YOU doubt what they say? Why? And for what purpose would any of these people put forward such a convoluted story? You sound like one of those "Prince would never take drugs" people who is in denial about the fact that they're hero actually did try drugs - at least once! Actually, when I first read it about it on Wikipedia (very early in my journey, I went there to read his whole life story), I was a bit skeptical... but I actually accepted it right away, especially after getting proof. I had the Mr. Fink account (2ndary account) in mind... but when I heard about Susan Rodgers, especially in the interview I heard yesterday... some scary stuff. But with witnesses, really can't deny this particular incident. Can't say much about otherwise cuz I don't know otherwise. Only he knows and I'll just leave it at that. Well, just read Prince's own account, Jackie - its all there in AnnaStesia ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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Mindflux said: DreamyPopRoyalty said: Actually, when I first read it about it on Wikipedia (very early in my journey, I went there to read his whole life story), I was a bit skeptical... but I actually accepted it right away, especially after getting proof. I had the Mr. Fink account (2ndary account) in mind... but when I heard about Susan Rodgers, especially in the interview I heard yesterday... some scary stuff. But with witnesses, really can't deny this particular incident. Can't say much about otherwise cuz I don't know otherwise. Only he knows and I'll just leave it at that. Well, just read Prince's own account, Jackie - its all there in AnnaStesia sure... I don't have Lovesexy, so I can't listen to it... but cuz I have TBA now... that's all the more reason 2 add it to my list of albums-2-get... but I'll read thru them lyrics. Next time I write, I'll have listened to TBA, so I'll have more of an idea of what's what. had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone | |
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DreamyPopRoyalty said: Mindflux said: Well, just read Prince's own account, Jackie - its all there in AnnaStesia sure... I don't have Lovesexy, so I can't listen to it... but cuz I have TBA now... that's all the more reason 2 add it to my list of albums-2-get... but I'll read thru them lyrics. Next time I write, I'll have listened to TBA, so I'll have more of an idea of what's what. The only song on TBA that alludes to drug-taking (Squirrel-meat seeming like a euphemism for E) is "Superfunkicalifragisexy" - which, thinking about it now, would suggest that Prince had more than one dally with E. Cos, if his "bad trip" resulted in the Epiphany and, reportedly happened once the album was complete, then "Superfragi..." certainly suggests that he had already tried it beforehand! [Edited 9/30/07 14:49pm] ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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Ok, I'm back! Phew, what a ride that was. hmmm... well, musically, it was kinda obvious...  that he was high early on...
But as it progressed, it grew more and more obvious... haha... no harm, no foul. Didn't stop me from enjoying the album, though. Le Grind was a great way to start things off. Cindy C.... got better later on and had me  when he was getting little... "needy", I guess u could say.
Dead on it, I'm kinda so-so about... When 2 r in love... probably my favorite. Very sweet... but there's a little bit hidden sadness there. Like he wrote this just after the break-up. I can almost picture him in a dark room with red candles when he wrote this. Bob George, I feel like I'll probably appreciate later on... but it's probably the weirdest song he's ever done. Is that his voice slowed down? Superfunkycalifraisexy took a little while, but once it got going, it was a real trip... haha, he was definitely high on this one. Track 7 was a little too long, I was kinda losing focus after a little while (or maybe that's a side-effect )
Then Rockhard in a Funky place... I wish it was longer, actually. Cuz I was just waking up again and getting into it. That's my reaction in a nutshell. With a few off-tracks here and there, I found it very enjoyable. had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone | |
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Mindflux said: christos7 said: In the nxt 20 years we'll b witnessing an alzheimers epidemic thnx 2 this evil substance.
Do the research. Christos7 - I'm surprised at such a sensationalist statement from you! I've usually found your posts to be balanced and considered. If you are keeping up-to-date with MDMA research, you would know that alot of the previous theories about brain and memory damage, seratonin depletion etc are being challenged heavily. Furthermore, why aren't we seeing this supposed Alzheimer's epidemic now? The drug MDMA has been used by psychiatrists in post traumatic stress disorder cases since the 50s and recreational use of the drug has existed since the 70s. So where are all these problematic people that have been treated with/used Ecstasy? As is usual, once a drug becomes popular for recreational use, it is demonised and mis-information abounds, or information is restricted and new research hard to come by. Scaremongering, misleading information, propoganda - none of this serves to help any problem, particularly when what you are constantly told by governments and the media flies in the face of personal and social experiences. Likewise with blanket, prejudiced statements such as Nightgods's "Most people mess with drugs and end up in rehab, leave it to Prince to go down that road and end up in church", do more harm than good. It is simply not true that "most" people who use drugs end up with a problem and neither can you say with any certainty what happened to Prince after his experience - for all you know, he still dabbles with the odd bit of MDMA, or other substances (we certainly know that he enjoys the odd bit of alcohol, but of course, that's so socially acceptable and has no dangers at all, eh?!) It is a lil sensationalist, I know. I should have stated that as my own opinion, which is what it is. More often than not street level drugs r not pure MDMA. That's why I suggested, do the research. As 4 the drug being used 4 'medicinal' purposes, well, u don't wanna get me goin on the evils of prescription medicines and the pharmaceutical industry in general. Can u say population control? | |
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Mindflux said: kenlacam said: I don't believe the "Cat Glover" account. For the most part, this is an unsubstantiated rumor, just like all the other rumors about him. Only Prince knows if he did drugs or not.
So, Susan Rogers, Prince's-ex and Cat Glover, a colleague, both close associates of Prince around that time give similar accounts about what happened that night (a story which is coroborrated still further by other witnesses) and yet YOU doubt what they say? Why? And for what purpose would any of these people put forward such a convoluted story? You sound like one of those "Prince would never take drugs" people who is in denial about the fact that they're hero actually did try drugs - at least once! Furthermore - go back and re-listen to AnnaStesia, that whole song is about his dark experience on ecstasy - so you also have if from the horse's mouth. Have U ever been so lonely That U felt like U were the Only one in this world? (He has just split up with Susan and was very upset at the time - perhaps a reason he tried Ecstasy, to escape for a while) Have U ever wanted 2 play With someone so much U'd take Any one boy or girl? (Given the euphoric and sometimes sexual effect of ecstasy, this line is hinting at the E's side-effects) Anna Stesia come 2 me Talk 2 me, ravish me Liberate my mind Tell me what U think of me Praise me, craze me Out this space and time (AnnaStesia means "resurrection" or "re-birth" - supporting the Prince epiphany theory. The drugs effect would have made his mind feel liberated and "out this space and time") Between white and black, night and day Black night seemed like the only way... So I danced (In his state of depression, "black night" (ie doing the risky, dangerous thing) seemed like the only way out of his sadness. "So I danced" - exactly what E is for). Music late, nothing great No way 2 differentiate I took a chance (Feeling uninspired by the music and, if we are to believe Cat's story, he has been told how E will make him happy, how it enhances the music and makes a more party atmosphere, so he "takes a chance"). Gregory looks just like a ghost And then a beautiful girl the most Wets her lips 2 say (The onset of the "visions" or hallucinations. His friends Gregory looks like a ghost and then, we might assume this is Ingrid who is the beautiful girl that goes to talk to him) "We could live 4 a little while If U could just learn 2 smile U and I could fly away, fly away." (She's trying to relax him and get him more in the mood". ) Anna Stesia come 2 me Talk 2 me, ravish me Liberate my mind Tell me what U think of me Praise me, craze me Out this space and time Maybe, maybe, maybe I could learn 2 love I mean the right way, I mean the only way Perhaps U could show me, baby (show me, baby) (He pleads with her to show him the way) Anna Stesia come 2 me Talk 2 me, ravish me Liberate my mind Maybe, maybe, maybe I could learn 2 love If I was just closer 2 somethin' (closer) Closer 2 your higher self I don't know Closer 2 heaven (Maybe) closer 2 God (closer to God) (Prince is starting to realise that, instead of relying on a drug to make himself happy, he should aspire to a "higher self" and get "closer to God") Save me Jesus, I've been a fool How could I forget that U are the rule (Prince chooses Jesus over drugs) U are my God, I am Your child From now on, 4 U I shall be wild I shall be quick I shall be strong I'll tell Your story, no matter how long (no matter how... no matter) (Prince will remain clear and sharp and commited to God, rather than worldly pleasures) We're just a play in Your master plan Now, my Lord I understand (end of epiphany!) (I understand) Love is God, God is love Girls and boys love God above [repeated over chorus] (Prince's resultant new mantra) Anyone else agree/disagree?
[Edited 9/30/07 14:20pm] What a load of analytical bullshit. Only Prince knows what this song's about. | |
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Mong said: Mindflux said: So, Susan Rogers, Prince's-ex and Cat Glover, a colleague, both close associates of Prince around that time give similar accounts about what happened that night (a story which is coroborrated still further by other witnesses) and yet YOU doubt what they say? Why? And for what purpose would any of these people put forward such a convoluted story? You sound like one of those "Prince would never take drugs" people who is in denial about the fact that they're hero actually did try drugs - at least once! Furthermore - go back and re-listen to AnnaStesia, that whole song is about his dark experience on ecstasy - so you also have if from the horse's mouth. Have U ever been so lonely That U felt like U were the Only one in this world? (He has just split up with Susan and was very upset at the time - perhaps a reason he tried Ecstasy, to escape for a while) Have U ever wanted 2 play With someone so much U'd take Any one boy or girl? (Given the euphoric and sometimes sexual effect of ecstasy, this line is hinting at the E's side-effects) Anna Stesia come 2 me Talk 2 me, ravish me Liberate my mind Tell me what U think of me Praise me, craze me Out this space and time (AnnaStesia means "resurrection" or "re-birth" - supporting the Prince epiphany theory. The drugs effect would have made his mind feel liberated and "out this space and time") Between white and black, night and day Black night seemed like the only way... So I danced (In his state of depression, "black night" (ie doing the risky, dangerous thing) seemed like the only way out of his sadness. "So I danced" - exactly what E is for). Music late, nothing great No way 2 differentiate I took a chance (Feeling uninspired by the music and, if we are to believe Cat's story, he has been told how E will make him happy, how it enhances the music and makes a more party atmosphere, so he "takes a chance"). Gregory looks just like a ghost And then a beautiful girl the most Wets her lips 2 say (The onset of the "visions" or hallucinations. His friends Gregory looks like a ghost and then, we might assume this is Ingrid who is the beautiful girl that goes to talk to him) "We could live 4 a little while If U could just learn 2 smile U and I could fly away, fly away." (She's trying to relax him and get him more in the mood". ) Anna Stesia come 2 me Talk 2 me, ravish me Liberate my mind Tell me what U think of me Praise me, craze me Out this space and time Maybe, maybe, maybe I could learn 2 love I mean the right way, I mean the only way Perhaps U could show me, baby (show me, baby) (He pleads with her to show him the way) Anna Stesia come 2 me Talk 2 me, ravish me Liberate my mind Maybe, maybe, maybe I could learn 2 love If I was just closer 2 somethin' (closer) Closer 2 your higher self I don't know Closer 2 heaven (Maybe) closer 2 God (closer to God) (Prince is starting to realise that, instead of relying on a drug to make himself happy, he should aspire to a "higher self" and get "closer to God") Save me Jesus, I've been a fool How could I forget that U are the rule (Prince chooses Jesus over drugs) U are my God, I am Your child From now on, 4 U I shall be wild I shall be quick I shall be strong I'll tell Your story, no matter how long (no matter how... no matter) (Prince will remain clear and sharp and commited to God, rather than worldly pleasures) We're just a play in Your master plan Now, my Lord I understand (end of epiphany!) (I understand) Love is God, God is love Girls and boys love God above [repeated over chorus] (Prince's resultant new mantra) Anyone else agree/disagree?
[Edited 9/30/07 14:20pm] What a load of analytical bullshit. Only Prince knows what this song's about. Perhaps, but are you saying that the interpretation is not supported by the lyrics? Show me how, if that's the case. And, you don't exactly have to get too analytical to get what's going on here - whilst they are excellent lyrics that urge to be considered, we are hardly dealing with Shakesperean prose here! Anyway, what's your take on it? Instead of just coming on this thread with an insult and an un-intelligent dismissive statement, why not actually conbtribute something you had to think about, huh? ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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man... just heard Susan Roger's account of that night again... just thinking about the place Prince was in...
it not only scares me, but part of me can't even fathom what he was going through at the time. Maybe he even turned to the drugs because he was really depressed... wow... can't help feeling bad for him at that particular moment in time... had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone | |
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christos7 said: Mindflux said: Christos7 - I'm surprised at such a sensationalist statement from you! I've usually found your posts to be balanced and considered. If you are keeping up-to-date with MDMA research, you would know that alot of the previous theories about brain and memory damage, seratonin depletion etc are being challenged heavily. Furthermore, why aren't we seeing this supposed Alzheimer's epidemic now? The drug MDMA has been used by psychiatrists in post traumatic stress disorder cases since the 50s and recreational use of the drug has existed since the 70s. So where are all these problematic people that have been treated with/used Ecstasy? As is usual, once a drug becomes popular for recreational use, it is demonised and mis-information abounds, or information is restricted and new research hard to come by. Scaremongering, misleading information, propoganda - none of this serves to help any problem, particularly when what you are constantly told by governments and the media flies in the face of personal and social experiences. Likewise with blanket, prejudiced statements such as Nightgods's "Most people mess with drugs and end up in rehab, leave it to Prince to go down that road and end up in church", do more harm than good. It is simply not true that "most" people who use drugs end up with a problem and neither can you say with any certainty what happened to Prince after his experience - for all you know, he still dabbles with the odd bit of MDMA, or other substances (we certainly know that he enjoys the odd bit of alcohol, but of course, that's so socially acceptable and has no dangers at all, eh?!) It is a lil sensationalist, I know. I should have stated that as my own opinion, which is what it is. More often than not street level drugs r not pure MDMA. That's why I suggested, do the research. As 4 the drug being used 4 'medicinal' purposes, well, u don't wanna get me goin on the evils of prescription medicines and the pharmaceutical industry in general. Can u say population control? Yup - know exactly where you're coming from mate ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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DreamyPopRoyalty said: man... just heard Susan Roger's account of that night again... just thinking about the place Prince was in...
it not only scares me, but part of me can't even fathom what he was going through at the time. Maybe he even turned to the drugs because he was really depressed... wow... can't help feeling bad for him at that particular moment in time... Don't worry - he seems to have got through it ok  And don't make too big a deal out of it either....I mean, surely you've seen someone drunk? Its not too dis-similar to being "out of control" on any substance. Most of the time, you can just sleep it off, you'll be ok in the morning ...we have only scratched the surface of what the mind can do...
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Mindflux said: DreamyPopRoyalty said: man... just heard Susan Roger's account of that night again... just thinking about the place Prince was in...
it not only scares me, but part of me can't even fathom what he was going through at the time. Maybe he even turned to the drugs because he was really depressed... wow... can't help feeling bad for him at that particular moment in time... Don't worry - he seems to have got through it ok And don't make too big a deal out of it either....I mean, surely you've seen someone drunk? Its not too dis-similar to being "out of control" on any substance. Most of the time, you can just sleep it off, you'll be ok in the morning well... I've had a few of those moments when I'd hear something... or I'd listen to one of his albums... and I'd be all sympathetic towards him...even though it happened YEARS ago... I thought the same about the "Slave" period... and I know very well that he's doing fine these days. PE is proof had 2 run away... pride was 2 strong. It started raining, baby, the birds were gone | |
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