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Reply #120 posted 07/18/07 10:28am

KoolEaze

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Love the "Revolution" sound...
Hate the title and religious imagery.
Was better off using metaphors like elevators rather than specifics that may be offensive to some


I agree with you about the wiser use of metaphors in his older songs but remember, there were sometimes very direct and blunt religious lyrics in his old lyrics , too. It bothers me sometimes because I can not really relate to each and every aspect of his religious outlook on life but I still feel the positive vibe of those kind of songs. A lot of fans complained about his sterile sounding sounds and lack of raw energy and Wendy and Lisa missing and now that it´s all there, at least to some extent, a lot of us still complain .
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Yes, the Revolution sound is back, and though many may disagree with me, there were a lot of weaker Revolution songs in the past that didn´t do much for me, like Teacher, Teacher and Make Your Mama Happy who both had great lyrics but musically were not really my cup of tea.
Now this song truly sounds like an old Revolution song but really in a good way. The passion, the urge and desperation are there, he´s doing his own thing musicwise, it´s a typical, great Prince song and it´s simply one of the best songs he´s released in a long time.
Maybe he´s better when he let´s go of the machismo and boasting in his lyrics and shows some more of his vulnerable side, though I do believe that the machismo side is honest as well, just a different side of his personality.
Mr. Goodnight for instance could have been so much better if he had put more effort into the lyrics..the song has such a wonderful, summerly, breezy feel and sweet melody yet many seem to hate it.

The comparisons with Cinnamon Girl do make sense in a way because of the style that´s being used here but come on people,Cinnamon Girl is not a bad song !
Too bad it´s so underrated here. It is one of his deepest and maybe least popular and yet on point social commentaries ever.
People still rave about Sign Of The Times and its urgency but the urgency and the concern is still there, though personally I find stuff like Dear Mr.Man not very deep, at least not as deep as Cinnamon Girl.

Again, I can´t understand the hate that this Lion Of Judah song is getting here.

That being said, a different line than Lion Of Judah would´ve been cool but than again, the Lion of Judah represents strength and, if it stands for Jesus Christ, also for understanding and empathy and compassion and love so , lyricswise, it isn´t that bad of a lyric and much less provocative than a lot of his other lyrics, even those from the 80´s ( as I said, as a non-Christian listener I still dug his old work for the music, the positive and uplifting vibe and the delivery , and this one isn´t even that direct or obvious in its use of religious imagery).

Great, fantastic song. Sometimes I reminisce about the "good old days" too but, honestly , there were a lot of WTF moments back then , too. It´s great to see him do what he´s doing and how he´s doing it, and people should appreciate him while he´s there, healthy , wealthy, wise and still with an amazing and notorious energy level, as evidenced in his live shows and songs like this one.

It´s funny that so many mention the Revolution sound...it´s back again, Sheila E is back again, even Michael B. And Sonny T. are back again, all the ingredients are there...I never espected this album to sound extremely innovative and fresh but I´m very positively surprised.
Some might say it´s a return to form ( yet again) but it´s more than that..with these players back in the mix,and most of the less popular factors out, one can only imagine what his next real big project is going to sound like.

I guess some would rather see him end up like Rick James, JB or MJ instead of doing things the way only he knows how to. wink

Now, if this line up doesn´t work , nothing will.
" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"
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Reply #121 posted 07/18/07 10:40am

KoolEaze

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I also like how he uses his voice in this song and how he channels a little bit of Jimi Hendrix´singing style in the last few sentences.

Good song.
" I´d rather be a stank ass hoe because I´m not stupid. Oh my goodness! I got more drugs! I´m always funny dude...I´m hilarious! Are we gonna smoke?"
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Reply #122 posted 07/18/07 10:59am

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I like the song but yet again I think his vocals could have been delivered better...meh shrug. but as always the lyrics are awesome nod just not my fav song.I see myself skipping it in a couple years.
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Reply #123 posted 07/18/07 2:38pm

dag

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The guitar at the beginning reminds me of Purple Rain.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #124 posted 07/18/07 2:57pm

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GIGGLYPUFF!!!! cool
Um... let me warm up my vocals
Me ME ME ME ME...U U U U U!
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Reply #125 posted 07/18/07 3:39pm

aprilsnow

reminds me a little bit of "morning paper" , "money don't matter2 and "a million days". whatever.
Maybe that's why I like it so much.
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Reply #126 posted 07/18/07 3:51pm

ReginaCarman

smile
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Reply #127 posted 07/18/07 6:11pm

Controversy

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The guitar work is very cool.
This gets better with time.
I just can't believe all the things people say !
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Reply #128 posted 07/18/07 6:26pm

mplsmike

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Angelic1302 said:




GIGGLYPUFF!!!! cool

Love Life,
Love God,
And Only Do Drugs You Need
smoker

... wave
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Reply #129 posted 07/18/07 6:51pm

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This is the song that I seem to be returning to the most. Great imagery, great instrumentation, and a great glimpse into a rarely seen vulnerable side of Prince makes for a truly great song.
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Reply #130 posted 07/18/07 7:52pm

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Not really feeling this one. I like the guitar in the beginning--is that Wendy?
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Reply #131 posted 07/19/07 3:54am

lakerlaker52

NuPwr319 said:

Not really feeling this one. I like the guitar in the beginning--is that Wendy?


Probably. I wonder if he instructed her "Use the exact same chorus pedal, guitar, and amp you used for 'Purple Rain'" or what? Because it's identical tone and effects.

The song isn't any good. It's a polished turd in my opinion, with Wendy and Lisa's contributions wasted on a lack of melody and solid musical ideas. Prince's vocal performance here is dire (not that he's completely lost it... "Planet Earth" is a great performance).

Not a total disaster like "Mr. Goodnight" and "All The Midnights" but this is not a good track.

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Reply #132 posted 07/19/07 4:42am

calldapplwonde
ry83

lakerlaker52 said:

NuPwr319 said:

Not really feeling this one. I like the guitar in the beginning--is that Wendy?


Probably. I wonder if he instructed her "Use the exact same chorus pedal, guitar, and amp you used for 'Purple Rain'" or what? Because it's identical tone and effects.

The song isn't any good. It's a polished turd in my opinion, with Wendy and Lisa's contributions wasted on a lack of melody and solid musical ideas. Prince's vocal performance here is dire (not that he's completely lost it... "Planet Earth" is a great performance).

Not a total disaster like "Mr. Goodnight" and "All The Midnights" but this is not a good track.

brink


Haven't heard the song yet, but I got the impression that the vocals are intentionally so. Will listen tomorrow.
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Reply #133 posted 07/19/07 5:21am

Tokyo

People, this is a seriously poor song, on a fairly average album.

Prince can do better, and the combination of Prince and Wendy has been a lot stronger than this.

Perhaps the times were inspiring rather than the combination itself.

T
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Reply #134 posted 07/19/07 5:44am

Moonbeam

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Tokyo said:

People, this is a seriously poor song, on a fairly average album.

Prince can do better, and the combination of Prince and Wendy has been a lot stronger than this.

Perhaps the times were inspiring rather than the combination itself.

T


Why do you think it is a poor song? I think it's absolutely stunning.
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Reply #135 posted 07/19/07 9:20am

thebiscuit

Really old school sound. Purple Rainesque chords in the beginning. W&L all over it. Lyrics too religious(not spiritual) for me. don't like religion much- it's like propoganda. But hey, that's me. I do like the drama in the song.
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Reply #136 posted 07/19/07 10:59am

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mplsmike said:

Angelic1302 said:




GIGGLYPUFF!!!! cool




I love gigglypuff! I used to have a rabbit with that name about 7 years ago...Sadly, I had to give it away b/c I was moving... sad
Um... let me warm up my vocals
Me ME ME ME ME...U U U U U!
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Reply #137 posted 07/19/07 11:51am

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I like this track. smile cool
God doesn't just tells me how much he "LOVE's" me, God shows me how much he "LOVE's" me. Both telling and showing "LOVE" means to "LOVE". They go hand in hand. You can't have one with out the other. Something is spoken, then followed by an action. That is
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Reply #138 posted 07/19/07 12:36pm

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Moonbeam said:

This is the song that I seem to be returning to the most. Great imagery, great instrumentation, and a great glimpse into a rarely seen vulnerable side of Prince makes for a truly great song.


Absolutely!

This is a song I could see being delivered on European rock festivals! Splendid!
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Reply #139 posted 07/19/07 3:38pm

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LION OF JUDAH

Sitting on the floor of an all white room
Feeling like the color blue

Thinking about the words that I can use
2 get this through 2 U

A million mistakes and then some
I've made with the 1's before

I've probably passed my expiration date
But still I adore U
Adore U....

Looking 4 the energy 2 take U there
The places that U wanna go

Knowing if I do, U'r fully aware
The press will turn it in to a show (A show)

Everyone expects this outcome
But still they jump 4 all the [crew ?/ clues ?]

I guess I should be happy but I'm still not
Sure that U really love me.....
love me.....
love me.....
love me.....
U love me.....

Like the lion of Judah (Judah)
I'll strike my enemies down

As my god is living
Surely the trumpet will sound

There was 1 who would stand by my side
Through the the good and the bad

Let that 1 stand with pride
The best that I ever had
Like the lion of Judah

Driving away with a smile on my face
Wind blowing through my hair

Wondering how U'll feel when U find out
How much I really care ( care)

Hoping that the tears roll down ur face (Down ur face)
Your body grasp who we are (Who are we?)

2 gypsy beggers who only
by Vegas came 2 be a star
A super star
A star
That's what we are...

Like the lion of judah (Judah)
I'll strike my enemies down

As my god is living
Surely the trumpet will sound

Lion.....judah
Lion.....judah


Like the lion of judah (Judah)
I'll strike my enemys down
Like the lion of judah (Judah)
Surely U....gonna hear the trumpet sound
Hear the trumpet sound

(ohhh)
Lion....Judah ...
Judah.....

The lion of judah



Can't wait!!! I can't believe I'm being so patient. Next week cannot get here soon enough. All my friends are asking..."you got that new Prince cd yet?"

Come on wid it baby! This waiting and anticipating is killin me! music
Inside of Me, I am Free, Free to be Me.
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Reply #140 posted 07/20/07 1:42am

NouveauDance

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theums said:

Love the "Revolution" sound...
Hate the title and religious imagery.
Was better off using metaphors like elevators rather than specifics that may be offensive to some


Like 'The Cross'?
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Reply #141 posted 07/20/07 2:54am

dodger

NouveauDance said:

theums said:

Love the "Revolution" sound...
Hate the title and religious imagery.
Was better off using metaphors like elevators rather than specifics that may be offensive to some


Like 'The Cross'?


biggrin
what was that a metaphor for
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Reply #142 posted 07/20/07 6:03am

Shawnt24

NouveauDance said:

theums said:

Love the "Revolution" sound...
Hate the title and religious imagery.
Was better off using metaphors like elevators rather than specifics that may be offensive to some


Like 'The Cross'?


Or perhaps the Lord's Prayer in Controversy
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Reply #143 posted 07/20/07 7:33am

NouveauDance

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Shawnt24 said:

NouveauDance said:



Like 'The Cross'?


Or perhaps the Lord's Prayer in Controversy


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Or asking Jesus for redemption in 'Anna Stesia'.
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Reply #144 posted 07/20/07 7:47am

FunkshaII

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theums said:

Love the "Revolution" sound...
Hate the title and religious imagery.
Was better off using metaphors like elevators rather than specifics that may be offensive to some


What about the lyrics would you deem to be offensive?

Reminds me of ripe fruit...
Inside of Me, I am Free, Free to be Me.
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Reply #145 posted 07/20/07 9:53am

calldapplwonde
ry83

Yep, dig this a lot. Unusual mood for Prince, IMO. Interesting vocal arrangements. And I can live with "religious imagery" if he does it like here. Because, as others have said before, it's basically a confession that he feels blue and insignificant (sometimes) and needs his faith to lift him up.

thumbs up!
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Reply #146 posted 07/20/07 2:51pm

FunkyBrotha

i cant understand the dispute over this song... its a pretty standard prince track which sounds like purple rain, the morning papers, last december, bla bla bla... its not "a turd" , its not crap ... its just a prince song which i think is great. If you cant handle the religious imagery wtf are you doing here prince has been doing this for twenty years.
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Reply #147 posted 07/20/07 3:22pm

calldapplwonde
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Hmm, I don't think it sounds like any of those songs at all.
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Reply #148 posted 07/21/07 1:09am

Moonbeam

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calldapplwondery83 said:

Hmm, I don't think it sounds like any of those songs at all.


The opening chord sounds like "Purple Rain", but that is the only similarity I see between "Lion of Judah" and ANY other Prince song.
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Reply #149 posted 07/21/07 1:27am

calldapplwonde
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Moonbeam said:

calldapplwondery83 said:

Hmm, I don't think it sounds like any of those songs at all.


The opening chord sounds like "Purple Rain", but that is the only similarity I see between "Lion of Judah" and ANY other Prince song.


That's right, and it's so obvious, it must be intentional. It is.
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