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Printable leecaldon said: BartVanHemelen said: Remember when Prince did concerts that didn't cost an arm and a leg? Remember when Prince liked playing live?
Hmm, yeah I remember that. Those were the days, well, about 5 mins ago when I purchased a ticket for about £35 in the lower tier of the 02 Arena - cheaper than any other major act playing there. EXCEPTION not the rule. Now let's take a look at what non-UK fans have to do and spend to obtain sucha ticket and visit those concerts. Why can't you look at the BIGGER picture? leecaldon said: Prince doesn't like playing live? He sure plays live A LOT for someone who doesn't enjoy it. Nobody's making him do all these shows, and aftershows.
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BartVanHemelen said: What did Prince do? Come up with yet another lame publicity stunt that is coupled with him getting a big payday. Meanwhile his fans get screwed (because non-UK fans either have to try to obtain copies of the givaway via ebay or wait till it arrives in shops much later), and at the same time he helps promote a disgusting newspaper.
You just can't seem to handle the fact that Prince's public profile in 2004, 2006 and 2007 has been pretty impressive. This newspaper thing may be a pretty transparent "publicity stunt" but it damn sure works though don't it? Why can't you give credit where credit's due Bart? Just the fucking once? | |
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mschirmer said: The new Prince record is crap. Trust me.
He's giving it away because he's smart. He know's it's crap and he knows that it won't get played on the radio and he knows that it won't sell well in stores and he knows that the reviews will bomb. So he gives it way with tickets and newspapers in hopes that if it's forced on people it will do well....Christ, he's gone mad. Nobody cares. Not even this once very serious Prince fan. I'm over the ridiculousness. Actually, you're wrong. "Guitar" has already been played both on Radio 1 and Radio 2 during daytime. So, radio is playing the record. It's just a shame that the album is being glued to a racist newspaper "You know, you're the classic example of the inverse ratio between the size of the mouth and the size of the brain" | |
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leecaldon said: More recent stuff he's been playing live the last few years:
2002: Rainbow Children, Muse 2 The Pharaoh, Xenophobia, The Work Pt. 1, 1+1+1 is 3, The Everlasting Now, Family Name, One Nite Alone, Avalanche were played reguarly live. He also played She Loves Me 4 Me and Last December the odd time. 2004: Musicology, Dear Mr. Man, Life O The Party, On The Couch, Prince and the Band, 2006/7: Fury, 3121, Lolita, Black Sweat, Get On The Boat, Musicology. He's also played Beautiful, Loved and Blessed, The Word and Te Amo Corazon. He also played 'Reflection' with Wendy last week - a track that's only a couple of years old. So he's been playing a few recent songs live over the past few years. Oh wow. Whoop-de-frikking-do. Now take a look at say, the SOTT era. Here's a challenge, one that I've posted repeatedly and no one ever dared to take it since we all know the outcome: take a Prince concert, take the length of each song played times the year it was released. Add all those numbers up. Divide by the total length of the concert, i.e. the length of each song added up. Then you have the average age of the songs played at the concert. Yeah, he plays the occasional recent song. Back in the day tours would revolve around the current album and the hits were a bonus. How many recent Prince tracks have NEVER been played live on a regular basis? © Bart Van Hemelen
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BartVanHemelen said: Here's a challenge, one that I've posted repeatedly and no one ever dared to take it since we all know the outcome: take a Prince concert, take the length of each song played times the year it was released. Add all those numbers up. Divide by the total length of the concert, i.e. the length of each song added up. Then you have the average age of the songs played at the concert.
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Haystack said: ian said: The Mail on Sunday is a fucking hateful rag, and even the lure of a new Prince album cannot draw me to purchase such a piss-poor excuse for a newspaper. Let's face it, by the time this summer is out we'll have no shortage of spare copies of Planet Earth lying around anyway. I'll be wallpapering my house with the inlays.
I must say too that I find this type of publicity stunt to be rather distasteful. It's nice that Prince is getting some media coverage for the London shows... but this cheapens the music (literally and figuratively). It seems like a desperate and misguided act - let's face it, Prince isn't growing his audience to a huge extent in 2007. He's established enough by now and has a large enough following that he'll fill The O2 many times this summer without even trying, and that should be enough. If he really thinks giving away freebie copies of his latest work along with the Mail on Sunday will win him any new fans, he's living in a fantasy world. Twenty years ago your average Mail reader would be burning effigies of Prince and waving pitchforks and torches outside Paisley Park. Now he's putting his album as their fucking covermount? I'm not sure which party should be more embarrassed by this - maybe Prince and the Mail deserve each other. What PR genius thought Prince and the Mail would be a good match? Who gives a fuck? You buy the Mail On Sunday and you get Prince's album thrown in. £1.40 or whatever for Prince's new CD. Great! If you get all moral on it, then you also have to question Prince's own Jehovah's Witness stance right now. You may as well question buying bootlegs when, apparently, a lot of their sales are funding organised crime. Oh, and it's not as if the music shops aren't greedily making more money per sale than the artist is if you buy music through them. Ultimately, if you're going to have morals then you probably shouldn't be buying music anyway because somewhere along the line, there'll be at least one person in that chain that will have strong views that you'll disagree with. At least with The Mail On Sunday, you'll know that they're open about their views. Well said Haystack.  Stretching his hand out to catch the stars, he forgets the flowers at his feet. | |
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Haystack said: ian said: The Mail on Sunday is a fucking hateful rag, and even the lure of a new Prince album cannot draw me to purchase such a piss-poor excuse for a newspaper. Let's face it, by the time this summer is out we'll have no shortage of spare copies of Planet Earth lying around anyway. I'll be wallpapering my house with the inlays.
I must say too that I find this type of publicity stunt to be rather distasteful. It's nice that Prince is getting some media coverage for the London shows... but this cheapens the music (literally and figuratively). It seems like a desperate and misguided act - let's face it, Prince isn't growing his audience to a huge extent in 2007. He's established enough by now and has a large enough following that he'll fill The O2 many times this summer without even trying, and that should be enough. If he really thinks giving away freebie copies of his latest work along with the Mail on Sunday will win him any new fans, he's living in a fantasy world. Twenty years ago your average Mail reader would be burning effigies of Prince and waving pitchforks and torches outside Paisley Park. Now he's putting his album as their fucking covermount? I'm not sure which party should be more embarrassed by this - maybe Prince and the Mail deserve each other. What PR genius thought Prince and the Mail would be a good match? Who gives a fuck? You buy the Mail On Sunday and you get Prince's album thrown in. £1.40 or whatever for Prince's new CD. Great! If you get all moral on it, then you also have to question Prince's own Jehovah's Witness stance right now. You may as well question buying bootlegs when, apparently, a lot of their sales are funding organised crime. Oh, and it's not as if the music shops aren't greedily making more money per sale than the artist is if you buy music through them. Ultimately, if you're going to have morals then you probably shouldn't be buying music anyway because somewhere along the line, there'll be at least one person in that chain that will have strong views that you'll disagree with. At least with The Mail On Sunday, you'll know that they're open about their views. Good points. And again I say. Seems to me if that a lot are annoyed that Prince has gotten his cut before the album gets leaked by some record company intern who happened to get his/her hands on an advance copy of of the album and plasters it on the internet.... FOR FREE.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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Ifsixwuz9 said: Haystack said: Who gives a fuck? You buy the Mail On Sunday and you get Prince's album thrown in. £1.40 or whatever for Prince's new CD. Great! If you get all moral on it, then you also have to question Prince's own Jehovah's Witness stance right now. You may as well question buying bootlegs when, apparently, a lot of their sales are funding organised crime. Oh, and it's not as if the music shops aren't greedily making more money per sale than the artist is if you buy music through them. Ultimately, if you're going to have morals then you probably shouldn't be buying music anyway because somewhere along the line, there'll be at least one person in that chain that will have strong views that you'll disagree with. At least with The Mail On Sunday, you'll know that they're open about their views. Good points. And again I say. Seems to me if that a lot are annoyed that Prince has gotten his cut before the album gets leaked by some record company intern who happened to get his/her hands on an advance copy of of the album and plasters it on the internet.... FOR FREE. Hear! Hear! [Edited 7/3/07 0:05am] | |
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Ifsixwuz9 said: Good points. And again I say. Seems to me if that a lot are annoyed that Prince has gotten his cut before the album gets leaked by some record company intern who happened to get his/her hands on an advance copy of of the album and plasters it on the internet.... FOR FREE. MartyMcFly saiid: Hear! Hear! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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promisekept said: It is very interesting to note that for many years artists were "creatively strangled" by the record company executives with the A/R reps struggling to feed their families upon finding such creative artists.
In the end of that phase I the industry let alot of good A/R reps go and decided to band together to create even a more "creative stranglehold on artists" by signing to more stringent contracts... the only thing is... The industry forgot that eventually if you strangle enough artists people get wise and learn to... become INDEPENDENT in their CREATIVITY to get out of the noose towards freedom... With Mp3 and the newest technologies... artists are now becoming un-indebted to the record industry and breathing a scent of freedom like never before. The industry is trying very hard to figure out how to feed themselves, since they pretty much "screwed" themselves, pardon my language but true... Well, KARMA comes around and artists are now becoming Free like they are supposed to be... having the ability to DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, SINCE it is THEIR RIGHT TO DO what they can do with their GOD GIVEN talent naturally! Therefore, AMEN to creativity and the ideas that emerge from having the "Balls" to do what you want to do with YOUR creative Music so everybody can hear it around the world, even in a day! So with that being said, DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO to let your spirit GET FREE with the talent you have. I agree with what Prince is doing completely, not because people think I agree just because he is doing it but for the simple fact... HE SIMPLY IS BECAUSE HE CAN! GODBLISS, promisekept. You are right but at the same time you are wrong. We are switching from an artists/majors conflict to artists/new technologies conflict. You can like it or not, but Warner made P. And some how, P is a product of the system he criticized. P needed a major label and massive promotion to be the artist he has become. If P wanted to be Free, nothing forced him to sign with a major label. He could have stay independent, and doing gigs like most indie artists. Creativity is one thing but promotion, touring, recording in ultra expensive studios is another. P can still sell records because he has a huge fanbase and he's a well known superstar. Now try to repeat the same career without the major labels ... [Edited 7/2/07 13:18pm] | |
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krayzie said: promisekept said: It is very interesting to note that for many years artists were "creatively strangled" by the record company executives with the A/R reps struggling to feed their families upon finding such creative artists.
In the end of that phase I the industry let alot of good A/R reps go and decided to band together to create even a more "creative stranglehold on artists" by signing to more stringent contracts... the only thing is... The industry forgot that eventually if you strangle enough artists people get wise and learn to... become INDEPENDENT in their CREATIVITY to get out of the noose towards freedom... With Mp3 and the newest technologies... artists are now becoming un-indebted to the record industry and breathing a scent of freedom like never before. The industry is trying very hard to figure out how to feed themselves, since they pretty much "screwed" themselves, pardon my language but true... Well, KARMA comes around and artists are now becoming Free like they are supposed to be... having the ability to DO WHAT THEY WANT TO DO, SINCE it is THEIR RIGHT TO DO what they can do with their GOD GIVEN talent naturally! Therefore, AMEN to creativity and the ideas that emerge from having the "Balls" to do what you want to do with YOUR creative Music so everybody can hear it around the world, even in a day! So with that being said, DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO to let your spirit GET FREE with the talent you have. I agree with what Prince is doing completely, not because people think I agree just because he is doing it but for the simple fact... HE SIMPLY IS BECAUSE HE CAN! GODBLISS, promisekept. You are right but at the same time you are wrong. We are switching from an artists/majors conflict to artists/new technologies conflict. You can like it or not, but Warner made P. And some how, P is a product of the system he criticized. P needed a major label and massive promotion to be the artist he has become. If P wanted to be Free, nothing forced him to sign with a major label. He could have stay independent, and doing gigs like most indie artists. Creativity is one thing but promotion, touring, recording in ultra expensive studios is another. P can still sell records because he has a huge fanbase and he's a well known superstar. Now try to repeat the same career without the major labels ... [Edited 7/2/07 13:18pm] When Prince first started out there was no internet no sites to upload for all the world to hear, so the only way to be heard was to sign up to a record company. Nowadays an unsigned band group singer can upload there son to so many different sites and get seen on a global scale who in the 1970's could say that | |
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BartVanHemelen said: leecaldon said: More recent stuff he's been playing live the last few years:
2002: Rainbow Children, Muse 2 The Pharaoh, Xenophobia, The Work Pt. 1, 1+1+1 is 3, The Everlasting Now, Family Name, One Nite Alone, Avalanche were played reguarly live. He also played She Loves Me 4 Me and Last December the odd time. 2004: Musicology, Dear Mr. Man, Life O The Party, On The Couch, Prince and the Band, 2006/7: Fury, 3121, Lolita, Black Sweat, Get On The Boat, Musicology. He's also played Beautiful, Loved and Blessed, The Word and Te Amo Corazon. He also played 'Reflection' with Wendy last week - a track that's only a couple of years old. So he's been playing a few recent songs live over the past few years. Oh wow. Whoop-de-frikking-do. Now take a look at say, the SOTT era. Here's a challenge, one that I've posted repeatedly and no one ever dared to take it since we all know the outcome: take a Prince concert, take the length of each song played times the year it was released. Add all those numbers up. Divide by the total length of the concert, i.e. the length of each song added up. Then you have the average age of the songs played at the concert. Yeah, he plays the occasional recent song. Back in the day tours would revolve around the current album and the hits were a bonus. How many recent Prince tracks have NEVER been played live on a regular basis? I don't really have the time to take the challenge at the moment. But I think it's important for you to understand that Prince is in another phase of his career, from say 1987. Not surprising really. When it comes to live shows, he's got 20 more years of back catalogue to choose from. It wouldn't make sense to abandon all of that stuff, a great deal of which has now passed into 'classic' status. And it's not as if he's always taking the safe option with older stuff - Sexuality, Shhh, Anotherloverholenyohead, Girl, Anna Stesia, Joy in Repetition, I Like It There, The One, ? of U, Around the World in a Day - these are not his most well-known songs. Plus there are the various covers he's doing - both new and old. He's not doing them for lack of original material. Out of interest, Bart, what would be your ideal Prince show, if he played in your hometown tomorrow? |
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BartVanHemelen said: leecaldon said: EXCEPTION not the rule. Now let's take a look at what non-UK fans have to do and spend to obtain sucha ticket and visit those concerts. Why can't you look at the BIGGER picture?. From what I could see, 3121 Las Vegas prices were similar to other shows in Vegas, but in a more intimate venue. leecaldon said: Prince doesn't like playing live? He sure plays live A LOT for someone who doesn't enjoy it. Nobody's making him do all these shows, and aftershows.
Dude, it's all about the dead presidents. How much money do you think Prince made from doing aftershows at 3121 Jazz Cuisine in a front of a couple of hundred people at 3am? There is no chance in hell that it was happening because of the huge profits. |
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oldpurple said: When Prince first started out there was no internet no sites to upload for all the world to hear, so the only way to be heard was to sign up to a record company. When Prince first started out, the only way to be heard was TOURING TOURING AND TOURING P decided to sign with a major label. P since day one is a pure product of the system. He became a superstar thanks to a massive blockbuster and MTV. oldpurple said: Nowadays an unsigned band group singer can upload there son to so many different sites and get seen on a global scale who in the 1970's could say that
Please Name one unsigned artist who get the fame that P has ? [Edited 7/3/07 18:03pm] | |
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krayzie said: oldpurple said: When Prince first started out there was no internet no sites to upload for all the world to hear, so the only way to be heard was to sign up to a record company. When Prince first started out, the only way to be heard was TOURING TOURING AND TOURING P decided to sign with a major label. P since day one is a pure product of the system. He became a superstar thanks to a massive blockbuster and MTV. oldpurple said: Nowadays an unsigned band group singer can upload there son to so many different sites and get seen on a global scale who in the 1970's could say that
Please Name one unsigned artist who get the fame that P has ?
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Moonbeam said: God I love Prince. Just when you think you've got things figured out, he does something completely off the wall. The enigma is well at work!
 i agree. just when i think my obsession with the man is waning... he pulls me BACK in! we're like two petals from the same flower, baby... | |
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July 15 is the official confirmation. Prince has been doing his homework really well. Since he annouced his 21 concerts last month, there has been a wealth of free publicity since then. He has also made sure that he is getting lots of publicity via his latest promotion from everyone in the industry. Like David Bowie, Prince has always been at the forefront of new technologies and has never been afraid to explore this. So in essence, he is back although he was never really gone. His latest track "Guitar" is excellent. I know I'll be getting a copy or 2 | |
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