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Reply #360 posted 06/14/07 7:26pm

2elijah

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PurpleCharm said:

2elijah said:



Good point.

Is it funny how some people want to give W&L all the credit for Prince being the artist that he is. confused


I know, it's one thing to get credit for whatever songs they collaborated with him on and being former members of his band, and I have nothing against W&L, but to get all the credit for his fame, that's highly unlikely.
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Reply #361 posted 06/14/07 8:32pm

ingela

PurpleCharm said:

2elijah said:



Good point.

Is it funny how some people want to give W&L all the credit for Prince being the artist that he is. confused







Its funny how some fams get bent out of shape when you even mention his music hasnt been anywhere near as good since they and the rest of the revolution left his band. cool




*Ohhh and his album covers got crappy too!
pout

*except
sign of the times
lovesxey
Hits B- sides
Black album

Warner bros had better art direction department back then too
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Reply #362 posted 06/14/07 8:36pm

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As cool as it is to see that Prince is working with Wendy and Lisa I won't be shocked one bit if the worst songs on the CD are the ones that Wendy and Lisa had a part in. Who's going to get slammed like a motherfucker if the song is a dud and not the bomb?
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #363 posted 06/14/07 8:42pm

PurpleCharm

ingela said:

PurpleCharm said:


Is it funny how some people want to give W&L all the credit for Prince being the artist that he is. confused







Its funny how some fams get bent out of shape when you even mention his music hasnt been anywhere near as good since they and the rest of the revolution left his band. cool




*Ohhh and his album covers got crappy too!
pout

*except
sign of the times
lovesxey
Hits B- sides
Black album

Warner bros has better art direction department sure thing(the let the pros do their thing)
[Edited 6/14/07 20:38pm]

Before I 'read' you...let me get this out of the way. Are you calling me a fam?
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Reply #364 posted 06/14/07 8:48pm

ingela

PurpleCharm said:

ingela said:








Its funny how some fams get bent out of shape when you even mention his music hasnt been anywhere near as good since they and the rest of the revolution left his band. cool




*Ohhh and his album covers got crappy too!
pout

*except
sign of the times
lovesxey
Hits B- sides
Black album

Warner bros has better art direction department sure thing(the let the pros do their thing)
[Edited 6/14/07 20:38pm]

Before I 'read' you...let me get this out of the way. Are you calling me a fam?



You dont like the word fam?
Its Prince's preffered word, he doesnt like the word fan. "it means fanatic" i think he said.

embrace it! cool
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Reply #365 posted 06/14/07 8:55pm

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ingela said:

PurpleCharm said:


Before I 'read' you...let me get this out of the way. Are you calling me a fam?



You dont like the word fam?
Its Prince's preffered word, he doesnt like the word fan. "it means fanatic" i think he said.

embrace it! cool


Did I ask you about Prince? I asked you if you were calling me a fam.
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Reply #366 posted 06/14/07 9:41pm

ingela

PurpleCharm said:

ingela said:




You dont like the word fam?
Its Prince's preffered word, he doesnt like the word fan. "it means fanatic" i think he said.

embrace it! cool


Did I ask you about Prince? I asked you if you were calling me a fam.
[Edited 6/14/07 20:57pm]




ok...enough get over yourself
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Reply #367 posted 06/14/07 9:45pm

Sdldawn

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wendy and lisa are back? well whatever they play on.. we can at least know those tracks will be good


Why is that?


well, it always seemed like their input in the songs and albums they worked on were very constructive and their part in his group was very interesting contribution. if prince ever had a producer, it would be wendy and lisa's input of criticism and suggestions..


but hey, the songs could be horrifying for all i know, i don't put it past prince, nor those two.. my hope with his music is like a dieing star
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Reply #368 posted 06/14/07 9:53pm

ingela

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calldapplwondery83 said:



Why is that?


well, it always seemed like their input in the songs and albums they worked on were very constructive and their part in his group was very interesting contribution. if prince ever had a producer, it would be wendy and lisa's input of criticism and suggestions..


but hey, the songs could be horrifying for all i know, i don't put it past prince, nor those two.. my hope with his music is like a dieing star




.....beautiful, well put
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Reply #369 posted 06/14/07 9:57pm

Sdldawn

wikipedia on wendy and lisa

here is a good example also..

"It is important to note that, like Sheila E., Melvoin and Coleman were clearly professional musicians in their own right. Regardless of critical assessments of either Wendy and Lisa's or Prince's work, the duo definitely had an influence and impact on Prince's sound. The pop/blue eyed soul/funk hybrid can be heard on Purple Rain, Around the World in a Day and Parade. Their influence is also extremely prominent on a number of unreleased songs recorded together with Prince during 1984, 1985 and 1986, during which they would either co-write material, co-produce and co-compose. Prince would often create the basic tracks and leave it to the female duo to finish, adding their own unique embelishments along the way. Prince's music after their departure became significantly more funk-driven, while their more psychedelic and ethereal style can be heard clearly on their first few albums."
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Reply #370 posted 06/15/07 3:10am

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Sdldawn said:

wikipedia on wendy and lisa

here is a good example also..

"It is important to note that, like Sheila E., Melvoin and Coleman were clearly professional musicians in their own right. Regardless of critical assessments of either Wendy and Lisa's or Prince's work, the duo definitely had an influence and impact on Prince's sound. The pop/blue eyed soul/funk hybrid can be heard on Purple Rain, Around the World in a Day and Parade. Their influence is also extremely prominent on a number of unreleased songs recorded together with Prince during 1984, 1985 and 1986, during which they would either co-write material, co-produce and co-compose. Prince would often create the basic tracks and leave it to the female duo to finish, adding their own unique embelishments along the way. Prince's music after their departure became significantly more funk-driven, while their more psychedelic and ethereal style can be heard clearly on their first few albums."
[Edited 6/14/07 21:58pm]


Yes, I agree : they kept Prince away from real Funk for too long.
But they happened to be at the right place at the right time as well.
I prefer the input of Sheila E, Miko and Michael B personnally.
[Edited 6/15/07 3:11am]
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Reply #371 posted 06/15/07 3:27am

bungle

Planet Earth track list:

01- Planet Earth
02- Guitar
03- Somewhere Here On Earth
04- The One You Wanna C
05- Future Baby Mama
06- Mr Goodnight
07- All The Midnight In the World
08- Chelsea Rodgers
09- Lion Of Judah
10- REvelation
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Reply #372 posted 06/15/07 2:37pm

bluestar2006

Can't wait to hear Planet Earth when it comes out July 24, 2007
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Reply #373 posted 06/15/07 2:49pm

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Damn, somebody's panties are all in a bunch. lol
Space for sale...
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Reply #374 posted 06/15/07 2:50pm

BuyPolarBear

Sdldawn said:

wikipedia on wendy and lisa

Prince's music after their departure became significantly more funk-driven, while their more psychedelic and ethereal style can be heard clearly on their first few albums."
[Edited 6/14/07 21:58pm]


Prince can do ethereal also, i.e., "When We're Dancing Close and Slow", Most of the ONA Piano album, among other songs. It's Prince's own type of ethereal, but make no mistake, it is ethereal, nonetheless.
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Reply #375 posted 06/15/07 2:53pm

BARNEYTHEPUPPY

THIS IS MY VERY VERY FIRST POST... SO HERE IT GOES WENDY & LISA HAVE MADE SOME GREAT MUSIC. IT MUST HAVE BEEN HARD ALL THOSE YEARS AGO FOR THEM BEING IN HIS SHADOW IF THEY WERE ASKED A QUESTION THE CHANCES ARE IT WOULD BE ABOUT HIM. WHEN PRINCE DID THE BRITS WITH WENDY & LISA AND SHEILA E. IT WAS LIKE BEING 13 AGAIN THEY GAVE ME BACK MY CHILDHOOD FOR 12 MINUTES. PRINCE WORKING WITH SHEILA E. OR ERIC LEEDS IS ALWAYS A PLEASURE TO SEE AND HERE, WENDY & LISA WORKING WITH PRINCE MEANS SOMEBODY HAS SAID SORRY AFTER ALL THOSE YEARS. WHAT WE FORGET SOMETIMES IS THAT PRINCE USES PEOPLE AND WHEN HE'S BORED WITH YOU TOUGH THE PARTY'S OVER. IF YOU GOT TALENT YOU WILL BE OK WENDY & LISA HAVE TALENT AND THERE WORKING AGAIN WITH A MAN WHO EVEN NOW CAN STILL SURPRISE US.
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Reply #376 posted 06/15/07 3:06pm

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BuyPolarBear said:

Sdldawn said:

wikipedia on wendy and lisa

Prince's music after their departure became significantly more funk-driven, while their more psychedelic and ethereal style can be heard clearly on their first few albums."
[Edited 6/14/07 21:58pm]


Prince can do ethereal also, i.e., "When We're Dancing Close and Slow", Most of the ONA Piano album, among other songs. It's Prince's own type of ethereal, but make no mistake, it is ethereal, nonetheless.


he does...but for me at least--- the arrangements and his vocal execution are so simplistic that they don't hold up upon repeat listening...and those are the types of "flourishes" that wendy and lisa and even shiela gave prince's music. IMHO.

a perfect modern example of this is the end of Get On The Boat with sheila playing and someone making them african noises...i get off on that one lil part of the song and would much prefer unexpected quirk like that then drivel like incense and candles...

IMHO...
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Reply #377 posted 06/15/07 4:24pm

PurpleCharm

ingela said:

PurpleCharm said:



Did I ask you about Prince? I asked you if you were calling me a fam.
[Edited 6/14/07 20:57pm]




ok...enough get over yourself

Yeah right...next time just keep it moving.
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Reply #378 posted 06/15/07 5:23pm

2elijah

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ingela said:[quote]

PurpleCharm said:


Is it funny how some people want to give W&L all the credit for Prince being the artist that he is. confused


Its funny how some fams get bent out of shape when you even mention his music hasnt been anywhere near as good since they and the rest of the revolution left his band. cool




*Ohhh and his album covers got crappy too!
pout

*except
sign of the times
lovesxey
Hits B- sides
Black album

Well Ingela...you're entitled to your opinion, and as I stated in my previous post, that I have nothing against W&L, but it seems he's been doing fine without them all these years, besides it's not unusual that every now and then a well-known artist collaborates with former band members from time to time, no biggy.
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Reply #379 posted 06/15/07 6:35pm

BuyPolarBear

sosgemini said:

BuyPolarBear said:



Prince can do ethereal also, i.e., "When We're Dancing Close and Slow", Most of the ONA Piano album, among other songs. It's Prince's own type of ethereal, but make no mistake, it is ethereal, nonetheless.


he does...but for me at least--- the arrangements and his vocal execution are so simplistic that they don't hold up upon repeat listening...and those are the types of "flourishes" that wendy and lisa and even shiela gave prince's music. IMHO.


That's Prince's genius, that he can make simple sound profound. "When We're Dancing Close and Slow" still sounds as ethereal today as it did when I first heard it 20 years ago. The same goes for "I Love U But I don't Trust U Anymore".

a perfect modern example of this is the end of Get On The Boat with sheila playing and someone making them african noises...i get off on that one lil part of the song and would much prefer unexpected quirk like that then drivel like incense and candles...

IMHO...

Neither of those songs were meant to be atmospheric or ethereal, so it's not exactly fair to make them examples.
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Reply #380 posted 06/15/07 8:20pm

ingela

PurpleCharm said:

ingela said:





ok...enough get over yourself

Yeah right...next time just keep it moving.


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Reply #381 posted 06/15/07 8:59pm

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bungle said:

Planet Earth track list:

01- Planet Earth
02- Guitar
03- Somewhere Here On Earth
04- The One You Wanna C
05- Future Baby Mama
06- Mr Goodnight
07- All The Midnight In the World
08- Chelsea Rodgers
09- Lion Of Judah
10- REvelation


Lion of Judah? Could it be that Prince is finally going to make a foray into some serious reggae riddims? (Blue Light doesn't really count; it was so lame)
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Reply #382 posted 06/15/07 9:53pm

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Sdldawn said:

wikipedia on wendy and lisa

here is a good example also..

"It is important to note that, like Sheila E., Melvoin and Coleman were clearly professional musicians in their own right. Regardless of critical assessments of either Wendy and Lisa's or Prince's work, the duo definitely had an influence and impact on Prince's sound. The pop/blue eyed soul/funk hybrid can be heard on Purple Rain, Around the World in a Day and Parade. Their influence is also extremely prominent on a number of unreleased songs recorded together with Prince during 1984, 1985 and 1986, during which they would either co-write material, co-produce and co-compose. Prince would often create the basic tracks and leave it to the female duo to finish, adding their own unique embelishments along the way. Prince's music after their departure became significantly more funk-driven, while their more psychedelic and ethereal style can be heard clearly on their first few albums."
[Edited 6/14/07 21:58pm]


They are given FAR too much credit. Prince's most innovative and groundbreaking (note: this does not mean always mean most complex stuff) stuff was done on his own. W&L just influenced his 60s and 70s throwbacks, not his progressive works. And he was definitely on the hybrid track before them, too. Their input on Purple Rain was modest and their influence on the latter stuff was on Prince's most criticised music of the decade. He dumps them and releases SOTT! He knew he got off course with the former albums. He knew they weren't up to par.

I don't deny their influence on him. But he was groundbreaking on his own accord and they get far too much credit in that regard.
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Reply #383 posted 06/15/07 11:29pm

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sarkozyiszeman said:

Sdldawn said:

wikipedia on wendy and lisa

here is a good example also..

"It is important to note that, like Sheila E., Melvoin and Coleman were clearly professional musicians in their own right. Regardless of critical assessments of either Wendy and Lisa's or Prince's work, the duo definitely had an influence and impact on Prince's sound. The pop/blue eyed soul/funk hybrid can be heard on Purple Rain, Around the World in a Day and Parade. Their influence is also extremely prominent on a number of unreleased songs recorded together with Prince during 1984, 1985 and 1986, during which they would either co-write material, co-produce and co-compose. Prince would often create the basic tracks and leave it to the female duo to finish, adding their own unique embelishments along the way. Prince's music after their departure became significantly more funk-driven, while their more psychedelic and ethereal style can be heard clearly on their first few albums."
[Edited 6/14/07 21:58pm]


Yes, I agree : they kept Prince away from real Funk for too long.
But they happened to be at the right place at the right time as well.
I prefer the input of Sheila E, Miko and Michael B personnally.
[Edited 6/15/07 3:11am]


Kept Prince away from funk??? lol They helped him go in a direction HE wanted to go. The Revolution OOZED funk live so I just don't understand that comment.

And input of Miko?? Sorry...I actually laughed out loud on that one, what input would that be???
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Reply #384 posted 06/15/07 11:49pm

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EverlastingNow said:

sarkozyiszeman said:



Yes, I agree : they kept Prince away from real Funk for too long.
But they happened to be at the right place at the right time as well.
I prefer the input of Sheila E, Miko and Michael B personnally.
[Edited 6/15/07 3:11am]


Kept Prince away from funk??? lol They helped him go in a direction HE wanted to go. The Revolution OOZED funk live so I just don't understand that comment.

And input of Miko?? Sorry...I actually laughed out loud on that one, what input would that be???


Miko's influence in the production process has been massive. Prince trusted him in the studio more than anyone else. Prince used to listen to him a lot. nod
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Reply #385 posted 06/16/07 12:15am

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sarkozyiszeman said:

EverlastingNow said:



Kept Prince away from funk??? lol They helped him go in a direction HE wanted to go. The Revolution OOZED funk live so I just don't understand that comment.

And input of Miko?? Sorry...I actually laughed out loud on that one, what input would that be???


Miko's influence in the production process has been massive. Prince trusted him in the studio more than anyone else. Prince used to listen to him a lot. nod


wacky you ain't right... lol
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Reply #386 posted 06/16/07 12:53am

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EverlastingNow said:

sarkozyiszeman said:



Miko's influence in the production process has been massive. Prince trusted him in the studio more than anyone else. Prince used to listen to him a lot. nod


wacky you ain't right... lol


Yes I'm. I'm sorry you're not aware Miko assisted Prince on every project at some stage. He even made him manager of his label.
Then the two men ended their collaboration and were not in good terms at all when it happened.
I spent one hour talking about Prince with Sonny T in 1995 and he told me Prince only trusted Miko at some stage for musical ideas and in the production process. He is one of those who convinced Prince to get rid of W & L.
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Reply #387 posted 06/16/07 8:33am

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sarkozyiszeman said:


He is one of those who convinced Prince to get rid of W & L.


I've never heard that but if true.....I really DIG Miko now.
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Reply #388 posted 06/16/07 8:44am

musicolog

Is this serious ?

http://fr1.cd-wow.com/det...de=2291690

And here is the front picture, with other planets :

http://multimedia.fnac.co...297027.jpg
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Reply #389 posted 06/16/07 9:26am

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sarkozyiszeman said:

EverlastingNow said:



wacky you ain't right... lol


Yes I'm. I'm sorry you're not aware Miko assisted Prince on every project at some stage. He even made him manager of his label.
Then the two men ended their collaboration and were not in good terms at all when it happened.
I spent one hour talking about Prince with Sonny T in 1995 and he told me Prince only trusted Miko at some stage for musical ideas and in the production process. He is one of those who convinced Prince to get rid of W & L.



Um, W&L left (twice) and the first time, Prince tracked them down at the airport and begged them to stay.
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