Gohi said:

Glad to hear that As someone who was a young'un during the "Dirty Mind" period and the whole "Purple Rain" phase, it's cool to see the teens today getting into Prince AND checking out artists who influenced him.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/h...709649.stm

I can't believe they had the nerve though to rip off some of the techniques Prince had pioneered in the studio:

It was a completely self-contained album which was meant to be played from start to finish. - Obviously copied from the Lovesexy concept

McCartney's vocals were sped up for the song When I'm 64 to give it a unique sound. - Plainly the band had just been listening to Camille

Joking apart, even though musically I don't feel there is that much common musical ground, The Beatles pioneered a lot of the concepts and techniques that Prince (among others) embraced 20 or more years later.

In terms of studio trickery, I guess that as soon as we could record to tape there were people chopping it up, speeding it up and slowing it down. Prince has definitely been at the cutting edge of what can be done in the studio, but to think he was the first to experiment shows a serious lack of knowledge.

I don't want to dampen your enthusiasm for discovering Prince's and hopefully others' music, but there is a lot to be said for holding back a little and reading and listening to what is out there before wading in.

uh-oh

some ppl will have some more surprises/shocks
like listening to HelterSkelter (Beatles: White Album (actually called The Beatles)) and then to Bambi...
Magical mystery tour and mid 80s Prince stuff (I wonder U, Always in my hair, RAspberry B. etc)
And then Hey Jude
and
Gold (nananananananananananananananana- naaaaah !!!)

but to be clear no stealing no copying
just more or less inspired, influenced
but in the end P. is just influenced by the Beatles mostly via all the artists whose music is based on the Beatles, don't think he listened to a particular song and copied it, rather the Beatles had an impact on what (and how different) pop songs can be (not those 2/3 chord 2 minute distractions to clap to, sth to broaden the mind, a playground for ideas and styles etc)
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Funny - I was listening to Sgt Pepper's today!!!

(BTW - the movie is a Bee Gees film, not a Beatles one!!!)

JesseDezz said:

i'm one of the young'uns!! lol.

wasitgood4u said:

WHAT? a bee gees film?

wasitgood4u said:

right... the Bee Gees & Peter Frampton
made up "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band"

did The Beatles appear
anywhere throughout the movie?

Well, the beatles did a lot before anyone else. Prince is still phenomenal tho. Prince is the ultimate throwback to such a rich period in music history, and most of todays bands would take Prince's worst day of recording tracks and still be satisfied. So the man's got something!

This thread

DirtyChris said:

(they weren't around any more)

wasitgood4u said:

Gohi said:

im 14 and listen to these:

El Presidente, T.Rex, Mika, Louis XIV, Shaggy, prince, daft punk, hard fi, mylo, ub40, hot hot heat, the darkness, babyshambles, white stripes, kaiser chiefs, british whale, jamiroquai, razorlight, the killers, outkast, the game, young buck, jet, maroon 5, david bowie, john lennon, george harrison, ringo starr, paul mccartney, the beatles, new power generation, blur, kasabian, lil jon, athlete, little richard, black eyed peas, james blunt, clor, steriophonics, badfinger, armand van helden, gorrilaz, snoop dogg, warren g, goldie lookin chain, ice cube, shalamar, kool and the gang, oddysy, stevie wonder, the go! team, whispers, moody blues, basement jaxx, gun, queen, roger taylor, the tears, ying yang twins, the coral, estelle, junior jack, supertramp, five star, orson, the upper room, bay city rollers, flying matchstick men, sheila e, adam ant, mazarati, the time, white rose movement, arctic monkeys, edison lighthouse, boney m, maximo park, performance, the rakes, the zutons, foo fighters, jem, kubb, slade, george clinton, madhouse, vanity 6 / apoloia 6 (not sure), dexys midnight runners, fall out boy, test icicles, we are scientists, protocol, scissor sisters, panic at the disco, ¡Forward Russia!, Belle and Sebastian, Blow Monkeys, AC/DC, Chico, Alice cooper, Aqua, Venga Boys, Calvin Harris, ELO, Def Leppard, Gary Glitter, George Benson, dylan, Human League, SlipKnot, Murderdolls, Kiss, The Sweet, Sly and The Family Stone

Let's cut the kid some slack. It's not WHEN you learn about the greats it is THAT you learn about the greats.

ATWIAD is largely considered to be Prince's "Beatles" album. Go get Sgt. Pepper, listen to it back to back with ATWIAD, come back and let us know what you thought.

Mars23 said:

Sure. I just might do that. And yeah, you're right. I guess it is more important that "now I know"... heh. I just can't believe this thread is still active.

I've heard that "Paisley Park" is definitely Beatles-influenced, so I guess it's worth a shot. Cuz I am crazy about ATIWAD... I think its better than a lot of people give it credit for. The fact its not really talked about says that its average and pales in comparison to PR, SOTT, 1999 and several others.

Wow just wow.

I feel so old.

Anyways, as great as Sgt Peppers is, lets not forget the album that inspired the Beatles to make it:


Beach Boys' PET SOUNDS!
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Prince wasn't the first who did much of anything, but's that's ONLY because he was born in 1958 instead of 1938.

emesem said:

Pet Sounds

Militant said:

Wait another 20 years and see if you agree with what you just said. And if that don't work, wait another 20 and so forth. Man, I thought I knew it all back then, and as I get older, the more I realize how little I do know. Plus, I can't quite do what I could 20 years ago, and I bet I'll be able to do even less the older I get.

Back to the thread: Much props to the Beach Boys and the Monkees as well who did a lot of laboratory work in the studio.

Never heard of...

Holy crap.

I'm old.

Older than I thought.

Maybe do this, Look into a few thangs:

Are You Experienced
The White Album and/or Revolver
Quadrophenia
Sticky Fingers
Disraeli Gears
Physical Graffiti
What's Goin' On
James Brown Live at the Appollo
Axis Bold As Love

Listen to these and only THEN are you allowed to post....

Just fuckin' with ya', kid, but dang! You just made me go look in my mailbox for my social security check.

Out of curiosity, list a few records you consider classics.

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

I don't want to sound rude, but girl, we're about the same age, how can you never have heard of that album????? Oh girl, that's sad. Saying that you are "just" 20 is no excuse. I seriously don't understand how one can live on this planet and at your/our age still haven't heard of Sgt Peppers. You must have seen the cover at least once:

I don't know exactly how you have seen our Prince but of course he is a human being like we all are and of course there have been artists before him who have worked hard to create exactly what they want.
Borrow a few books about the history of music in general and about popular music. You will see the world of music through different eyes!
[Edited 6/14/07 15:14pm]

And not being the first to do something doesn't make you less of an artist. Prince took what was there, added his own style and took music to another level. He was, is and always will be a musical genius.

VenusBlingBling said:

yeah good point. After hearing the hint of Queen in "Moonbeam levels", the whole way he incorporates other influences into his work is just amazing... especially when he does put his own spin on the original. That takes true genius.



I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. I guess before this "wakeup call", I figured he was the first to do the things I really admire about him (put an album together like a puzzle so it speaks as loud as the pieces and using the studio as his laboratory)... I didn't know anyone else did that.

Not that I could ever discredit The Beatles. I've heard less than 10 of their songs (and yeah, should probably start a collection too)... but they did influence The Click Five, a group that I really got into when I heard of them.

I'm not going to go overboard and grab every single Beatles album that I want... but I probably will go out and buy a few after this. If I were to pick them or The Stones, I'd pick The Beatles... because I'm more into their sound.

But now I might like The Stones better cuz, for all i know, their rock sound could have influenced Prince too.

While we're on the subject, are there any other Beatles albums that are must-haves in any musician-fan collection?
[I wish I knew where I was gonna find all of the money for all these Beatles & Prince albums, not to mention 4 other CD's I want to get... good thing my bday's next month]

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

This is the FIRST time I have ever heard anyone claim "Moonbeam Levels" is influenced by Queen. Only Prince song I know of with any strong Queen influences is of course "3 Chains O' Gold", but could you elaborate a bit, I mean is there any particular Queen song or Queen era that you feel "Moonbeam Levels" sounds like?

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

If you ever get a copy of Prince's The Undertaker, you'll want to be aware that Mick Jagger and Keith Richards wrote Honky Tonk Women (which Prince performs). And Richards says he swiped that guitar riff in that song from Ry Cooder.

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

Lord have fuckin' mercy! We gon' have to start cardin' people 'round here.

purplehippieonthe1 said:

not quite sure... jsut the overall sound of the chorus kinda reminds me of them in general. But I could just be blowing smoke here cuz I'm in no ways knowledge about anything Queen-related... except I know they did "we will rock u" and Bohemian Rhapodosy... a song everyone in my graduating class (not to mention the current juniors and sophomores at my senior prom) seemed to know the words to... I don't know the words to Bohemian Rhapodosy (let alone how to spell it)... and I've heard it so much at my school dances that I'm sick of it.
When it comes to those regarded as "legends", Prince is the only one I know a lot about (and have given more than the time of day)... everyone else I've just heard of, but never took the time to listen.

But give me a break, people. I have a life... I don't have time to check out everything people think I should check out... all I really got time for is Prince and the artists of today that I really want to check into.

herb4 said:

DreamyPopRoyalty said:

Revolver is a must have for any music fan.

Girl, also take a listen to Sly & The Family Stone, Larry Graham & Graham Central Station, Parliament/Funcadelic and a list of other great musicians who have all influenced Prince an the music of today.

VenusBlingBling said:

oh yeah... how could I forget Sly...

but I gotta really work my way thru Prince (at least have a decent amount of his stuff) b4 going onto any new projects.

I've checked a little into his history with bringing groups together (Vanity/Apollonia 6 and The Time to name a couple)... and like... wow... man simply amazes me.

Sly and Larry Graham is definitely a good thing to check into... cuz in every single interview, Prince has mentioned Sly at least once...

heh... I've got to get that Beatles album, check into Sly, and The Time kinda has me a little curious now... and I wasn't even gonna check into them... but they were considered to be the most successful of his proteges (apart from Shelia E., of course)