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PrintableOn the MC boards it was asked --do u want a musicology type album or a TRc type album? most people wanted the former
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Se7en said: herb4 said: That's sort of a crock in itself. He does exactly what he wants to do...pretty much all of the time. I doubt seriously if fan expectation had anything at all to with 3121... He didn't put out 3121 because it's what fans expected, he put it out because it was a safe album with the highest chance of selling. He was trying to keep the momentum of the Musicology "comeback". He doesn't do EXACTLY what he wants to do. If he did, we'd most likely get more TRC-style stuff. That stuff doesn't sell very well, so no matter how risky or artistic Prince is he'll always fall back on the bottom line eventually. And that's money. As for the "something new" debate - nobody does anything new this far into the game without sacrificing the very thing that defines them. Paul McCartney's stuff lately sounds absolutely amazing but definitely NOT NEW. Oh,yes,this is how I feel about Elton John. But we're taling about Prince. I understand the concept that record sales lead = Prince's continuing career. But damn it, and I think only the biggest fans here are like this, I love him best when he's experimenting (ala TRC, ATWIAD, etc.) But he can't do that without record sales and income! What would YOU do? "Plaid shorts are completely over." | |
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there are an awful lot of anti-prince on this prince fansite. | |
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khemseraph said: there are an awful lot of anti-prince on this prince fansite.
I wouldn't call them/us anti-prince. I would call them/us independent thinkers. I would call them fakes and spoofs. News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so. You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop. | |
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Mick, that's not the point of the commercial. He's not scoffing at the old songs (or ideas), after all he ends up walking onto the stage to the strains of the old standby Let's Go Crazy.
The point it that he's scoffing at the theatrics that they are suggesting; the car, the doves, the space suit, etc. The point is that he's just going to perform music, not put on a circus. Your question is valid, but not in reference to the commercial. My Legacy
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NDRU said: Your question is valid, but not in reference to the commercial.
maybe that's why I only got B's on my papers   News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so. You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop. | |
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MickG said: NDRU said: Your question is valid, but not in reference to the commercial.
maybe that's why I only got B's on my papers  but as your questionis valid, I must agree that Prince seems to be coasting a bit lately. Even TRC is weird (and I like it a lot), but not really new.
He seems at ease with where he is, and to some extent it's working. he's entered the living-legend phase of his career, where he just has to be Prince. And who Prince is has been defined now. The 80's seemed like a difficult time. Growth is rewarding, but hard. He seems happier now, and most people would choose happiness over innovation (despite what they may say). [Edited 12/18/06 12:41pm] My Legacy
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MickG said: Now open for discussion is Prince’s ability or lack thereof to make something new and not a fallback item. In resented advertisement for the football game, prince appears in office as executives hurled “ideas” at him, but the ideas given are nothing more then regurgitations of his older works. Prince throws them a look to show his annoyance of such ideas, but if you look closer you will see prince is still throwing the same old annoyed look. Nothing new there at all, thusly Prince annoyed by the same old thing is trapped in doing the same old thing. Perplexing as that maybe, I find myself questioning Prince’s ability to do anything truly new. I find myself wondering if Prince doesn’t truly like being stereotypical in nature. Even his 3121 wasn’t new but a backward reaching attempt to regain his fading glory.
What might you say in support of his inability to produce a new thought, or in support of his ability? I am truly curious. Wow, nobody has asked this question of P before. this is new! Stand Up! Everybody, this is your life!
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thepope2the9s said: Wow, nobody has asked this question of P before. this is new! Hasn't anyone ever told you that Sarcasm doesn't work in text over the internet, or is that a new 1 4 u 2? News: Prince pulls his head out his ass in the last moment.
Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so. You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop. | |
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MickG said: NDRU said: Your question is valid, but not in reference to the commercial.
maybe that's why I only got B's on my papers  
....oh MickG....am  1 of the B's on your papers? can make the grade? 
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thepope2the9s said: MickG said: Now open for discussion is Prince’s ability or lack thereof to make something new and not a fallback item. In resented advertisement for the football game, prince appears in office as executives hurled “ideas” at him, but the ideas given are nothing more then regurgitations of his older works. Prince throws them a look to show his annoyance of such ideas, but if you look closer you will see prince is still throwing the same old annoyed look. Nothing new there at all, thusly Prince annoyed by the same old thing is trapped in doing the same old thing. Perplexing as that maybe, I find myself questioning Prince’s ability to do anything truly new. I find myself wondering if Prince doesn’t truly like being stereotypical in nature. Even his 3121 wasn’t new but a backward reaching attempt to regain his fading glory.
What might you say in support of his inability to produce a new thought, or in support of his ability? I am truly curious. Wow, nobody has asked this question of P before. this is new! The man is a marketing genius! Everything he does, his looks, his shows, this site, are the markings of a man gifted with a keen ability to ovserve what is lacking in the business he has chosen as his profession, and he excels at it. To me that commercial was meant to reestablish himself with the general populace, give them something nostalgic they could connect to, but not deviate so much that they don't feel like they know him anymore. That commercial was the hook, and his performance at the Super Bowl will be a masterpiece, a work of art, some thirty years in the making. Today I realized that while the artist, Prince, is artistically and musically brilliant, the person we see in the media as "Prince" is a brand, or a product, and a business. His longevity, level of respect, and success are undisputed, often unrivaled in his field, and attributed ultimately to the man who makes the music. Prince Rogers Nelson. Tell me he's unable to produce a new thought? His own style, his stamp on all of our lives is a new thought, unlike any before him. Maybe others had potential, or passion, or great ideas to promote themselves, but name another artist that has been able to pull all of these elements together for as long as Prince has and is still playing the game, and at the top of it. (Madonna doesn't count. She's not a musician like Prince is. She may be on her way, but that's just come about recently.) There. I have spoken. All bow before the awesome might of the amazing Robertes71.  "Plaid shorts are completely over." | |
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MickG said: thepope2the9s said: Wow, nobody has asked this question of P before. this is new! Hasn't anyone ever told you that Sarcasm doesn't work in text over the internet, or is that a new 1 4 u 2?  Looks like it worked just fine to me! | |
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robertes71 said: thepope2the9s said: Wow, nobody has asked this question of P before. this is new! The man is a marketing genius! Everything he does, his looks, his shows, this site, are the markings of a man gifted with a keen ability to ovserve what is lacking in the business he has chosen as his profession, and he excels at it. To me that commercial was meant to reestablish himself with the general populace, give them something nostalgic they could connect to, but not deviate so much that they don't feel like they know him anymore. That commercial was the hook, and his performance at the Super Bowl will be a masterpiece, a work of art, some thirty years in the making. Today I realized that while the artist, Prince, is artistically and musically brilliant, the person we see in the media as "Prince" is a brand, or a product, and a business. His longevity, level of respect, and success are undisputed, often unrivaled in his field, and attributed ultimately to the man who makes the music. Prince Rogers Nelson. Tell me he's unable to produce a new thought? His own style, his stamp on all of our lives is a new thought, unlike any before him. Maybe others had potential, or passion, or great ideas to promote themselves, but name another artist that has been able to pull all of these elements together for as long as Prince has and is still playing the game, and at the top of it. (Madonna doesn't count. She's not a musician like Prince is. She may be on her way, but that's just come about recently.) There. I have spoken. All bow before the awesome might of the amazing Robertes71.   
....a major reason pitched ideas 2 the man n my youthful enthusiasm was Bcuz it was said he had the 'last word' on what was & wasn't done on his projects...of course that still fell within the realm of the stipulations given if there was a 'sponsorship' agreement of some kind (i.e.:UTCM~date contest on MTV) the marketing has always been bold & innovative!!! yet the closer ya get 2 how he does things~it is seldom n alignment with public conjecture on how it was accomplished.....there is an orger consider a friend that shared what Bcame a promotional suggestion on 3121 that was utilized big time=this orger did not benefit nor included/invited when the idea got implimented (& spoke of at length on this site) seeing a myriad of events like that thru the years just renders unpleasant energy....
...industry folk n casual converation back n the summer spoke of the 'short run' of 3121 & that it was basically 'dead' 2 them about 6 wks after release: their view seemed 2 B that at this point he 'just don't give a F*#@' & wants 2 make some bank 2 pay 'personal' expenses....4 B there is little on 3121 that seems 2 create a lasting impression~much of it is 'old conversation' 2 B (1 cut sounds way 2 close 2 an artist who's work B shared with P years ago that was the subject of a 'chat' last year) which is where my "can U teach me something that is new" attitude comes from
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theoriginalQueenB said: robertes71 said: The man is a marketing genius! Everything he does, his looks, his shows, this site, are the markings of a man gifted with a keen ability to ovserve what is lacking in the business he has chosen as his profession, and he excels at it. To me that commercial was meant to reestablish himself with the general populace, give them something nostalgic they could connect to, but not deviate so much that they don't feel like they know him anymore. That commercial was the hook, and his performance at the Super Bowl will be a masterpiece, a work of art, some thirty years in the making. Today I realized that while the artist, Prince, is artistically and musically brilliant, the person we see in the media as "Prince" is a brand, or a product, and a business. His longevity, level of respect, and success are undisputed, often unrivaled in his field, and attributed ultimately to the man who makes the music. Prince Rogers Nelson. Tell me he's unable to produce a new thought? His own style, his stamp on all of our lives is a new thought, unlike any before him. Maybe others had potential, or passion, or great ideas to promote themselves, but name another artist that has been able to pull all of these elements together for as long as Prince has and is still playing the game, and at the top of it. (Madonna doesn't count. She's not a musician like Prince is. She may be on her way, but that's just come about recently.) There. I have spoken. All bow before the awesome might of the amazing Robertes71.
....a major reason pitched ideas 2 the man n my youthful enthusiasm was Bcuz it was said he had the 'last word' on what was & wasn't done on his projects...of course that still fell within the realm of the stipulations given if there was a 'sponsorship' agreement of some kind (i.e.:UTCM~date contest on MTV) the marketing has always been bold & innovative!!! yet the closer ya get 2 how he does things~it is seldom n alignment with public conjecture on how it was accomplished.....there is an orger consider a friend that shared what Bcame a promotional suggestion on 3121 that was utilized big time=this orger did not benefit nor included/invited when the idea got implimented (& spoke of at length on this site) seeing a myriad of events like that thru the years just renders unpleasant energy....
...industry folk n casual converation back n the summer spoke of the 'short run' of 3121 & that it was basically 'dead' 2 them about 6 wks after release: their view seemed 2 B that at this point he 'just don't give a F*#@' & wants 2 make some bank 2 pay 'personal' expenses....4 B there is little on 3121 that seems 2 create a lasting impression~much of it is 'old conversation' 2 B (1 cut sounds way 2 close 2 an artist who's work B shared with P years ago that was the subject of a 'chat' last year) which is where my "can U teach me something that is new" attitude comes from
BC'mon, get up let's do somethin'!!!      "Plaid shorts are completely over." | |
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robertes71 said: theoriginalQueenB said:
....a major reason pitched ideas 2 the man n my youthful enthusiasm was Bcuz it was said he had the 'last word' on what was & wasn't done on his projects...of course that still fell within the realm of the stipulations given if there was a 'sponsorship' agreement of some kind (i.e.:UTCM~date contest on MTV) the marketing has always been bold & innovative!!! yet the closer ya get 2 how he does things~it is seldom n alignment with public conjecture on how it was accomplished.....there is an orger consider a friend that shared what Bcame a promotional suggestion on 3121 that was utilized big time=this orger did not benefit nor included/invited when the idea got implimented (& spoke of at length on this site) seeing a myriad of events like that thru the years just renders unpleasant energy....
...industry folk n casual converation back n the summer spoke of the 'short run' of 3121 & that it was basically 'dead' 2 them about 6 wks after release: their view seemed 2 B that at this point he 'just don't give a F*#@' & wants 2 make some bank 2 pay 'personal' expenses....4 B there is little on 3121 that seems 2 create a lasting impression~much of it is 'old conversation' 2 B (1 cut sounds way 2 close 2 an artist who's work B shared with P years ago that was the subject of a 'chat' last year) which is where my "can U teach me something that is new" attitude comes from
BC'mon, get up let's do somethin'!!! word!!!
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