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Printablebunnyman said: Playing a guitar doesnt = great musician. Infact he showcases his great musicianship mostly in songs that arent typical 'rock'. ?
He is nowhere near Robbie Williams or Duran Duran - is that how you see him? GoldenGlove said: U all bable on about how todays chart isn't "Real" music... well neither is 70% of Prince's recent output!!
What? All his music is 'real', it cant exactly be'fake' can it!? [Edited 2/21/06 3:28am] Are u saying that P's guitar playing doesn't make him a great musician?!?!  Did i say he is on the same level as RW and Duran Duran? No i didn't... i think u need to read my post again... BTW "bunnyman" is my personal favorite account of yours.
P.S. Real music is made by "musicians" using "instruments" did the Musicology era teach u nothing?? didn't u see the tour?? | |
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bunnyman said: *i put this post into the other* how do you then delete this post?
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Aerogram said: GG - stay away from that Start New Topic button.
 this thread has gone pear shaped...
But my point still stands! i would love to see more Rock/Funk music & less RnB/Pop music. [Edited 2/21/06 3:33am] | |
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GoldenGlove said: bunnyman said: Playing a guitar doesnt = great musician. Infact he showcases his great musicianship mostly in songs that arent typical 'rock'. ?
He is nowhere near Robbie Williams or Duran Duran - is that how you see him? What? All his music is 'real', it cant exactly be'fake' can it!? [Edited 2/21/06 3:28am] Are u saying that P's guitar playing doesn't make him a great musician?!?! Did i say he is on the same level as RW and Duran Duran? No i didn't... i think u need to read my post again... BTW "bunnyman" is my personal favorite account of yours.
P.S. Real music is made by "musicians" using "instruments" did the Musicology era teach u nothing?? didn't u see the tour?? No i didnt, and neither did you. We're both in England. And i never said that his guitar playing wasnt great. But if Prince just stuck to it then he wouldnt be Prince, the versatile, multi-intrumentalist, genre defiable artist. Im just shocked you called more than half of his music fake. Perhaps you could name that 70% so i understand what makes a song fake? Again, favourite account? I only have one, you can check this, and please dont turn this into a flame war or anything. And calling me a noob is rich. Theres 1 month seperating our join dates, so surely you're a noob too. | |
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The problem is that you are a teen who plays the guitar when he's not doing homework, and here are you are imperatively telling one of the greatest musicians of his generation to stay way from a type of music, because in your expert opinion, it's not "real music". | |
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GoldenGlove said: Aerogram said: GG - stay away from that Start New Topic button.
But my point still stands! i would love to see more Rock/Funk music & less RnB/Pop music. [/b] There you go - YOU would love to see more .... Perhaps if you started your thread like this it wouldnt have gone 'pear shaped'. I actually agree in that i want to see his funk rock edge back ala the 3 piece of the undertaker, but i wouldnt call any of his other music fake in relation. | |
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bunnyman said: GoldenGlove said: Are u saying that P's guitar playing doesn't make him a great musician?!?! Did i say he is on the same level as RW and Duran Duran? No i didn't... i think u need to read my post again... BTW "bunnyman" is my personal favorite account of yours.
P.S. Real music is made by "musicians" using "instruments" did the Musicology era teach u nothing?? didn't u see the tour?? No i didnt, and neither did you. We're both in England. And i never said that his guitar playing wasnt great. But if Prince just stuck to it then he wouldnt be Prince, the versatile, multi-intrumentalist, genre defiable artist. Im just shocked you called more than half of his music fake. Perhaps you could name that 70% so i understand what makes a song fake? Again, favourite account? I only have one, you can check this, and please dont turn this into a flame war or anything. And calling me a noob is rich. Theres 1 month seperating our join dates, so surely you're a noob too. I have explained what i mean by real and fake... just read my above posts. And please tell me how Prince's guitar playing DOESN'T make him a great musician... | |
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Aerogram said: The problem is that you are a teen who plays the guitar when he's not doing homework, and here are you are imperatively telling one of the greatest musicians of his generation to stay way from a type of music, because in your expert opinion, it's not "real music".
oh no u just didn't! I know i am a nobody when compared with Prince... but it doesn't take a GENIUS to distinguish the difference between "Musicianship" and "Computers" however... it may take a genius to make it. And Prince is a genius... so why not make the most of it. Amen. | |
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GoldenGlove said: bunnyman said: No i didnt, and neither did you. We're both in England. And i never said that his guitar playing wasnt great. But if Prince just stuck to it then he wouldnt be Prince, the versatile, multi-intrumentalist, genre defiable artist. Im just shocked you called more than half of his music fake. Perhaps you could name that 70% so i understand what makes a song fake? Again, favourite account? I only have one, you can check this, and please dont turn this into a flame war or anything. And calling me a noob is rich. Theres 1 month seperating our join dates, so surely you're a noob too. I have explained what i mean by real and fake... just read my above posts. And please tell me how Prince's guitar playing DOESN'T make him a great musician... I never said it didnt. But surely the fact that he plays and dives into more instruments and genres solidifies him as a greater musician. And your opinion on real music still i dont get. Never has Prince created a song entirely without and instrument, so how is 70% of it not real? | |
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bunnyman said: GoldenGlove said: But my point still stands! i would love to see more Rock/Funk music & less RnB/Pop music. [/b] There you go - YOU would love to see more .... Perhaps if you started your thread like this it wouldnt have gone 'pear shaped'. I actually agree in that i want to see his funk rock edge back ala the 3 piece of the undertaker, but i wouldnt call any of his other music fake in relation. Just listen to Emancipation, Rave, New Power Soul and Come. most of that is NOT real music, it is computers and effects. | |
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Right, im not going to reply any more or else we'll be here forever explaining what we both think. But to me Come etc. sounds like real music, so i guess its just our opposing opinions. | |
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bunnyman said: GoldenGlove said: I have explained what i mean by real and fake... just read my above posts. And please tell me how Prince's guitar playing DOESN'T make him a great musician... I never said it didnt. But surely the fact that he plays and dives into more instruments and genres solidifies him as a greater musician. And your opinion on real music still i dont get. Never has Prince created a song entirely without and instrument, so how is 70% of it not real? 70% was just an estimate... all i'm saying is a lot of Prince's music nowadays is just trying o be mainstream. I would rather fry my own face than listen to Beautiful, Loved and Blessed. (Black Sweat is ok though 'cos it's funky). Fury RULES and is one of my favorite songs of all time. no joke. | |
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bunnyman said: Right, im not going to reply any more or else we'll be here forever explaining what we both think. But to me Come etc. sounds like real music, so i guess its just our opposing opinions.
Well were just going to have to agree to disagree. | |
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i also prefer prince hardrocking than playing call my names.
but thats a personal choice. it dont mean one is better than the other. stupid discussion One minute you're bleeding. The next minute you're hemorrhaging. The next minute you're painting the Mona Lisa | |
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GoldenGlove said: bunnyman said: There you go - YOU would love to see more .... Perhaps if you started your thread like this it wouldnt have gone 'pear shaped'. I actually agree in that i want to see his funk rock edge back ala the 3 piece of the undertaker, but i wouldnt call any of his other music fake in relation. Just listen to Emancipation, Rave, New Power Soul and Come. most of that is NOT real music, it is computers and effects. But a huge part of the reason Prince is considered a genius is because of what he did with "computers and effects." He used more traditional instruments on his first two albums, and what he did was impressive, but he didn't blow people away until he incorporated the linn and more synthesizers. Running the drum machine through his guitar effects pedal to get that trademark flange on his snares and high hats was genius. And New Power Soul/Rave/whatever wasn't weak because of computers. They were weak because they were half-assed. Chaos & Disorder used a lot of guitar but a lot of it was weak because it too was half-assed. Would you say that 1999 wasn't real music? It was created primarily out of electronic instruments and it's brilliant. To me, Prince doing just rock OR r&b isn't amazing. Fury is great (at least the live version, most of us haven't heard the studio version yet), but Prince's Hendrix and Santana influences are so heavy it's hard not to think of them when I listen to the song. But when Prince merges the two, combining his rock elements over a funked up R&B music bed, I only hear Prince. That, to me, is what his genius and legacy are built on. Flashy solos are cool but it's oftentimes just showboating. [Edited 2/21/06 7:14am] |
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renfield said: GoldenGlove said: Just listen to Emancipation, Rave, New Power Soul and Come. most of that is NOT real music, it is computers and effects. But a huge part of the reason Prince is considered a genius is because of what he did with "computers and effects." He used more traditional instruments on his first two albums, and what he did was impressive, but he didn't blow people away until he incorporated the linn and more synthesizers. Running the drum machine through his guitar effects pedal to get that trademark flange on his snares and high hats was genius. And New Power Soul/Rave/whatever wasn't weak because of computers. They were weak because they were half-assed. Chaos & Disorder used a lot of guitar but a lot of it was weak because it too was half-assed. Would you say that 1999 wasn't real music? It wasn't created primarily out of electronic instruments and it's brilliant. To me, Prince doing just rock OR r&b isn't amazing. Fury is great (at least the live version, most of us haven't heard the studio version yet), but Prince's Hendrix and Santana influences are so heavy it's hard not to think of them when I listen to the song. But when Prince merges the two, combining his rock elements over a funked up R&B music bed, I only hear Prince. That, to me, is what his genius and legacy are built on. Flashy solos are cool but it's oftentimes just showboating. I see ur point!  although i do prefer rock music, 1999 was awesoem! | |
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renfield said: GoldenGlove said: Just listen to Emancipation, Rave, New Power Soul and Come. most of that is NOT real music, it is computers and effects. But a huge part of the reason Prince is considered a genius is because of what he did with "computers and effects." He used more traditional instruments on his first two albums, and what he did was impressive, but he didn't blow people away until he incorporated the linn and more synthesizers. Running the drum machine through his guitar effects pedal to get that trademark flange on his snares and high hats was genius. And New Power Soul/Rave/whatever wasn't weak because of computers. They were weak because they were half-assed. Chaos & Disorder used a lot of guitar but a lot of it was weak because it too was half-assed. Would you say that 1999 wasn't real music? It wasn't created primarily out of electronic instruments and it's brilliant. To me, Prince doing just rock OR r&b isn't amazing. Fury is great (at least the live version, most of us haven't heard the studio version yet), but Prince's Hendrix and Santana influences are so heavy it's hard not to think of them when I listen to the song. But when Prince merges the two, combining his rock elements over a funked up R&B music bed, I only hear Prince. That, to me, is what his genius and legacy are built on. Flashy solos are cool but it's oftentimes just showboating. Great Points! What is great about Prince is that he makes simple preconceived ideas about genre disappear. His brilliant musical mind has so many influences of sound. Think about it, this is an artist who loves Sly, Joni, Miles, JB, Ani Difranco, Santana, Psychedelic Funk/Rock, Mahler, Fishbone, Gang of Four, etc. He's the ultimate sponge. I believe that a lot of great artists don't let the limitations of radio playlists and corporate driven categories stand in the way of creating brilliant music. Miles Davis, Stevie Wonder and other greats would laugh at the notion. With all the R&B bashing you would think that "Rock" music would be thriving. There's a lot of crap out there in all genres. And the artists cited as "Rock" all have been influenced by R&B, Blues and whatever you want to classify it. The problem with Prince hyping "real music" with Musicology is that small minded people would interepret that as a limited idea of what creating music is. He should've been promoting the return of "soul" music. Missy Elliot, Pharell, and many of the new breed of producers are making creative "real" music. A great song is a great song, it doesn't matter if it was produced in a small Sun Records studio with a 4 Track machine or in a reclusive, obsessive Minneapolis genius' home studio with a Linn Drum machine programmed for sounds that no other human could envision. | |
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jdcxc said: renfield said: But a huge part of the reason Prince is considered a genius is because of what he did with "computers and effects." He used more traditional instruments on his first two albums, and what he did was impressive, but he didn't blow people away until he incorporated the linn and more synthesizers. Running the drum machine through his guitar effects pedal to get that trademark flange on his snares and high hats was genius. And New Power Soul/Rave/whatever wasn't weak because of computers. They were weak because they were half-assed. Chaos & Disorder used a lot of guitar but a lot of it was weak because it too was half-assed. Would you say that 1999 wasn't real music? It wasn't created primarily out of electronic instruments and it's brilliant. To me, Prince doing just rock OR r&b isn't amazing. Fury is great (at least the live version, most of us haven't heard the studio version yet), but Prince's Hendrix and Santana influences are so heavy it's hard not to think of them when I listen to the song. But when Prince merges the two, combining his rock elements over a funked up R&B music bed, I only hear Prince. That, to me, is what his genius and legacy are built on. Flashy solos are cool but it's oftentimes just showboating. Great Points! What is great about Prince is that he makes simple preconceived ideas about genre disappear. His brilliant musical mind has so many influences of sound. Think about it, this is an artist who loves Sly, Joni, Miles, JB, Ani Difranco, Santana, Psychedelic Funk/Rock, Mahler, Fishbone, Gang of Four, etc. He's the ultimate sponge. I believe that a lot of great artists don't let the limitations of radio playlists and corporate driven categories stand in the way of creating brilliant music. Miles Davis, Stevie Wonder and other greats would laugh at the notion. With all the R&B bashing you would think that "Rock" music would be thriving. There's a lot of crap out there in all genres. And the artists cited as "Rock" all have been influenced by R&B, Blues and whatever you want to classify it. The problem with Prince hyping "real music" with Musicology is that small minded people would interepret that as a limited idea of what creating music is. He should've been promoting the return of "soul" music. Missy Elliot, Pharell, and many of the new breed of producers are making creative "real" music. A great song is a great song, it doesn't matter if it was produced in a small Sun Records studio with a 4 Track machine or in a reclusive, obsessive Minneapolis genius' home studio with a Linn Drum machine programmed for sounds that no other human could envision. A 21 Gun Salute!!!!! | |
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Prince stay away from R&B, hip-hop, The NPG, Kirky J, The Game Boyz, Wally and Brookes, Larry Graham, Tamar, controversial angry black man lyrics...
Just do Paisley Park is in your heart psychadelic rock with Wendy and Lisa, Bobby Z and Dr Fink. Miss anything out there?  Glug, glug like a mug | |
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Just do Paisley Park is in your heart psychadelic rock with Wendy and Lisa, Bobby Z and Dr Fink.
EXACTLY!!!!! | |
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GoldenGlove said: renfield said: But a huge part of the reason Prince is considered a genius is because of what he did with "computers and effects." He used more traditional instruments on his first two albums, and what he did was impressive, but he didn't blow people away until he incorporated the linn and more synthesizers. Running the drum machine through his guitar effects pedal to get that trademark flange on his snares and high hats was genius. And New Power Soul/Rave/whatever wasn't weak because of computers. They were weak because they were half-assed. Chaos & Disorder used a lot of guitar but a lot of it was weak because it too was half-assed. Would you say that 1999 wasn't real music? It wasn't created primarily out of electronic instruments and it's brilliant. To me, Prince doing just rock OR r&b isn't amazing. Fury is great (at least the live version, most of us haven't heard the studio version yet), but Prince's Hendrix and Santana influences are so heavy it's hard not to think of them when I listen to the song. But when Prince merges the two, combining his rock elements over a funked up R&B music bed, I only hear Prince. That, to me, is what his genius and legacy are built on. Flashy solos are cool but it's oftentimes just showboating. I see ur point! although i do prefer rock music, 1999 was awesoem!Um, this is the org...please call me some names and/or condescend in your response. |
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SpecialEd said: Prince stay away from R&B, hip-hop, The NPG, Kirky J, The Game Boyz, Wally and Brookes, Larry Graham, Tamar, controversial angry black man lyrics...
Just do Paisley Park is in your heart psychadelic rock with Wendy and Lisa, Bobby Z and Dr Fink. Miss anything out there? | |
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SpecialEd said: Prince stay away from R&B, hip-hop, The NPG, Kirky J, The Game Boyz, Wally and Brookes, Larry Graham, Tamar, controversial angry black man lyrics...
Just do Paisley Park is in your heart psychadelic rock with Wendy and Lisa, Bobby Z and Dr Fink. Miss anything out there? yeah--the "open teh vault already!!!111!!onez!" remark. that's crucial.  | |
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SpecialEd said: Prince stay away from R&B, hip-hop, The NPG, Kirky J, The Game Boyz, Wally and Brookes, Larry Graham, Tamar, controversial angry black man lyrics...
Just do Paisley Park is in your heart psychadelic rock with Wendy and Lisa, Bobby Z and Dr Fink. Miss anything out there? This should be emblazoned on the home page. | |
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Prince - please just do whatever the heck you feel like. There are enough people who will stick around until the end of the ride. | |
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GoldenGlove said: The reason i want Prince to stay away from RnB is so that he gets the recognition he deserves... So wait, YOU mean 2 tell US that PRINCE HAS YET 2 B BEEN RECOGNIZED 4 HIS MUSCICAL CONTRIBUTIONS? Um...is NEWBIE a good term for you or just BLIND? 
And since when is playing the guitar STRICTLY a ROCK thing? Ever heard of the Isley Brothers? Parliament/Funkadelic?..I can go on and on about R&B artists that have prominent guitars in their music. "Free yo mind and yo ass will follow" - George Clinton | |
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calldapplwondery83 said: Prince - please just do whatever the heck you feel like. There are enough people who will stick around until the end of the ride.
Most creative people in all mediums of art have a shelf life when they are most prolific. Name me an artist who has been able to span the decades on the artistic edge as long as Prince. Miles Davis is the only one I can think of and a lot of Jazz buffs would disagree. | |
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jdcxc said: renfield said: But a huge part of the reason Prince is considered a genius is because of what he did with "computers and effects." He used more traditional instruments on his first two albums, and what he did was impressive, but he didn't blow people away until he incorporated the linn and more synthesizers. Running the drum machine through his guitar effects pedal to get that trademark flange on his snares and high hats was genius. And New Power Soul/Rave/whatever wasn't weak because of computers. They were weak because they were half-assed. Chaos & Disorder used a lot of guitar but a lot of it was weak because it too was half-assed. Would you say that 1999 wasn't real music? It wasn't created primarily out of electronic instruments and it's brilliant. To me, Prince doing just rock OR r&b isn't amazing. Fury is great (at least the live version, most of us haven't heard the studio version yet), but Prince's Hendrix and Santana influences are so heavy it's hard not to think of them when I listen to the song. But when Prince merges the two, combining his rock elements over a funked up R&B music bed, I only hear Prince. That, to me, is what his genius and legacy are built on. Flashy solos are cool but it's oftentimes just showboating. Great Points! What is great about Prince is that he makes simple preconceived ideas about genre disappear. His brilliant musical mind has so many influences of sound. Think about it, this is an artist who loves Sly, Joni, Miles, JB, Ani Difranco, Santana, Psychedelic Funk/Rock, Mahler, Fishbone, Gang of Four, etc. He's the ultimate sponge. I believe that a lot of great artists don't let the limitations of radio playlists and corporate driven categories stand in the way of creating brilliant music. Miles Davis, Stevie Wonder and other greats would laugh at the notion. With all the R&B bashing you would think that "Rock" music would be thriving. There's a lot of crap out there in all genres. And the artists cited as "Rock" all have been influenced by R&B, Blues and whatever you want to classify it. The problem with Prince hyping "real music" with Musicology is that small minded people would interepret that as a limited idea of what creating music is. He should've been promoting the return of "soul" music. Missy Elliot, Pharell, and many of the new breed of producers are making creative "real" music. A great song is a great song, it doesn't matter if it was produced in a small Sun Records studio with a 4 Track machine or in a reclusive, obsessive Minneapolis genius' home studio with a Linn Drum machine programmed for sounds that no other human could envision. Prince loves Mahler? That's cool! Where and when did he mention that?  | |
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I would rather say:
Prince stay away from R & B but NOT from Rhythm & Blues, if you all know what i mean 
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Prince loves Mahler? That's cool! Where and when did he mention that?[/quote]
He was introduced to Mahler by Lisa. Prince mentions Mahler in his song "Good Love". | |
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