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Reply #150 posted 02/19/06 4:22pm

Moonbeam

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Moonbeam said:



1. I'm happy to call myself a Christian, thank you very much. Based on your logic, I could just as easily say that you are "not a Christian" because I disagree with you casting judgment about someone you have never met, but I'm not going to go that route. thumbs up!

2. I don't believe God is one of fear, and the whole "hell, fire and brimstone" speeches don't convert anyone. Quite the contrary- they are a deterrent. It's possible to lead by example instead of resorting to scare tactics and rhetoric that non-Christians don't adhere to in the first place, you know. rolleyes I have several friends who don't hold Christian beliefs and were against the whole idea of Christianity because of such messages being repeatedly regurgitated. If someone came beating down your door extolling the virtues of some other religion (let's use Shinto as an example), and told you that you were a "Banished One" unless you chose to convert, how do you think that you would react?

3. The fact that you feel that Christianity and having an open mind are mutually exclusive makes me very sad.


like I said your no Christian...how can you have an open mind when the very nature of Christianity is to aknowledge Christ as the son of GOD and the worlds savior. Sorry your sob story won't work on me. You either believe it or you don't. There is no open mind and just try picking up your Bible instead of believing what you chose to believe because its right there. Lastly lets step away from Christianity for a moment and lets talk about Islam or Judaism and think about what your saying about having an open mind? Its absurd and peopl of those faiths would say the same things I am saying to you now. You either believe or you don't. Clearly by you having an open mind means you don't believe in anything related to being a Christian. Heck it appears to me that you don't even know what that is


For the record, I do believe that Christ is the son of God and the world's savior. But my beliefs aren't the question here. It's funny that you jumped to conclusions about my beliefs based on the way I choose to present them. I obviously am not your kind of Christian, which is fine. That doesn't disqualify me as a Christian, though, now does it?

Furthermore, adhering to a specific belief system does not automatically have to go with having a closed mind. There is plenty that I have learned from other cultures and religions that I feel would benefit society as a whole. I don't feel that it has threatened my Christianity at all, but rather enhanced it.

The issue that has been raised by many is more about the way spiritual beliefs are presented to others. If you jump down people's throat with your beliefs and have no context of their beliefs or their struggles, it isn't going to work. Point blank. I know from experience- lots of it. My best friend in college was an atheist who was completely turned off by Christianity because of those types of approaches. People have related better to Prince's expressions of belief in the past because the nature of the lyrics was more of a celebration of his beliefs rather than a mandate of them as infallible doctrine.
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Reply #151 posted 02/19/06 4:23pm

SquirrelMeat

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scandalousalan said:

scottgcoleman said:

O.K.! Think all of us Prince fams know what we need to do! Ain't nobody said it yet, but I will... All of us need to purchase the CD the day it's released(3/21)..

Anyone who is truely a fam knows that this absolute musical genius has provided us with the soundtrack of our lives. From the reviews that I have heard, the cd is da bomb, and is probably da bomb we all been waitin' for...so let's put him on top where he has been to us always so the others can experience real music and artistry. Ask yourself...where is the real music today? Most of it is bs. Let's make dude number one. He deserves it. Ain't no other male artist done nothin' like this for music before. Not like him.
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Well i have my copy ordered from play.com, really good price.


Cancel your order with play. You can save 25% on their price by ordering it here...

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Reply #152 posted 02/19/06 4:38pm

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Moonbeam said:

Alexandernvrmind said:



like I said your no Christian...how can you have an open mind when the very nature of Christianity is to aknowledge Christ as the son of GOD and the worlds savior. Sorry your sob story won't work on me. You either believe it or you don't. There is no open mind and just try picking up your Bible instead of believing what you chose to believe because its right there. Lastly lets step away from Christianity for a moment and lets talk about Islam or Judaism and think about what your saying about having an open mind? Its absurd and peopl of those faiths would say the same things I am saying to you now. You either believe or you don't. Clearly by you having an open mind means you don't believe in anything related to being a Christian. Heck it appears to me that you don't even know what that is


For the record, I do believe that Christ is the son of God and the world's savior. But my beliefs aren't the question here. It's funny that you jumped to conclusions about my beliefs based on the way I choose to present them. I obviously am not your kind of Christian, which is fine. That doesn't disqualify me as a Christian, though, now does it?

Furthermore, adhering to a specific belief system does not automatically have to go with having a closed mind. There is plenty that I have learned from other cultures and religions that I feel would benefit society as a whole. I don't feel that it has threatened my Christianity at all, but rather enhanced it.

The issue that has been raised by many is more about the way spiritual beliefs are presented to others. If you jump down people's throat with your beliefs and have no context of their beliefs or their struggles, it isn't going to work. Point blank. I know from experience- lots of it. My best friend in college was an atheist who was completely turned off by Christianity because of those types of approaches. People have related better to Prince's expressions of belief in the past because the nature of the lyrics was more of a celebration of his beliefs rather than a mandate of them as infallible doctrine.


Moonbeam this has nothing to do with what I believe. The very basics of Christianity you fly in the face of. There is nothing to be opened minded about if you are a true believer. Also if you were a true believer you would try and convert as many as possible. That is not my opinion that is in the Bible you know the book that Christians use as guide to live their lives

I'm sure you a nice enough person but I would seriously challenge you to really study and read about you so called Christianity because based on what you say here you appear to be in a major struggle. Sorry no offense but it is what it is
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Reply #153 posted 02/19/06 4:42pm

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Alexandernvrmind said:

Moonbeam said:



For the record, I do believe that Christ is the son of God and the world's savior. But my beliefs aren't the question here. It's funny that you jumped to conclusions about my beliefs based on the way I choose to present them. I obviously am not your kind of Christian, which is fine. That doesn't disqualify me as a Christian, though, now does it?

Furthermore, adhering to a specific belief system does not automatically have to go with having a closed mind. There is plenty that I have learned from other cultures and religions that I feel would benefit society as a whole. I don't feel that it has threatened my Christianity at all, but rather enhanced it.

The issue that has been raised by many is more about the way spiritual beliefs are presented to others. If you jump down people's throat with your beliefs and have no context of their beliefs or their struggles, it isn't going to work. Point blank. I know from experience- lots of it. My best friend in college was an atheist who was completely turned off by Christianity because of those types of approaches. People have related better to Prince's expressions of belief in the past because the nature of the lyrics was more of a celebration of his beliefs rather than a mandate of them as infallible doctrine.


Moonbeam this has nothing to do with what I believe. The very basics of Christianity you fly in the face of. There is nothing to be opened minded about if you are a true believer. Also if you were a true believer you would try and convert as many as possible. That is not my opinion that is in the Bible you know the book that Christians use as guide to live their lives

I'm sure you a nice enough person but I would seriously challenge you to really study and read about you so called Christianity because based on what you say here you appear to be in a major struggle. Sorry no offense but it is what it is




ok can you guys org note each other this argument so we can get back to talking about 3121?


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Reply #154 posted 02/19/06 4:44pm

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* Lolita

KILLER!!! This song hit me straight away, up-tempo synth-dominated melodic pop. This has "HIT" written ALL over it. It reminds me of "Soft & Wet", 2006 style, but with a lot more SEX. yeh thats right, SEX. In true Prince style. He seems to be talking about a bad girl, she's bad, but not bad enough to make him cheat on his partner. The hook goes "Lolita, So sweet-uh, but you won't make a cheater out of me!"....interesting to note a very Time-ish bridge at the end, with Prince shouting "Fellas!, How bad's this girl", and they reply "Bad!", and then it switches to "Lolita! How bad are you girl!" and a female voice says "Bad!" and something else is said (I forget what)....This song oozes fun and party, and has all the makings of a classic Prince hit.

[Edited 2/17/06 19:47pm]



AS A [/b]JW[b] PRINCE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE SINGING ABOUT SEX!!!!! IT SEEMS THAT HE IS SLOWLY GOING BACK TO HIS OLD WAYS... sad
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Reply #155 posted 02/19/06 4:46pm

Moonbeam

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Meloh9 said:


ok can you guys org note each other this argument so we can get back to talking about 3121?


thanks


Sorry to get side-tracked. redface
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Reply #156 posted 02/19/06 4:46pm

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Meloh9 said:

Alexandernvrmind said:



Moonbeam this has nothing to do with what I believe. The very basics of Christianity you fly in the face of. There is nothing to be opened minded about if you are a true believer. Also if you were a true believer you would try and convert as many as possible. That is not my opinion that is in the Bible you know the book that Christians use as guide to live their lives

I'm sure you a nice enough person but I would seriously challenge you to really study and read about you so called Christianity because based on what you say here you appear to be in a major struggle. Sorry no offense but it is what it is




ok can you guys org note each other this argument so we can get back to talking about 3121?


thanks


we can continue here if you like

http://www.prince.org/msg/7/178299
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Reply #157 posted 02/19/06 5:03pm

Fauxie

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Fauxie said:




Where did you get this info?

'The Word' is another track on the album?



I heard the album after it got mastered. he changed Streets of Panama to Fury, which is good. I thought that track was lame.

This sounds like the final list.\
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hmm

Pardon my reluctance to believe this automatically. How come nobody else has mentioned these tracks?
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Reply #158 posted 02/19/06 5:27pm

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Thanx 4 the reviews! smile
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Reply #159 posted 02/19/06 6:30pm

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I'm so ready for this CD! I WANT IT NOW!
[Edited 2/19/06 18:37pm]
[Edited 2/19/06 18:38pm]
I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that
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Reply #160 posted 02/19/06 9:54pm

dewalliz

purplecam said:

I'm so ready for this CD! I WANT IT NOW!
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[Edited 2/19/06 18:38pm]

That's makes the two of us. nuts excited
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Reply #161 posted 02/20/06 12:14am

PREDOMINANT

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Best Album since Lovesexy omg
Happy is he who finds out the causes for things.Virgil (70-19 BC). Virgil was such a lying bastard!
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Reply #162 posted 02/20/06 1:39am

Novabreaker

woot!
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Reply #163 posted 02/20/06 1:47am

Krid

MikeMatronik said:

Great review!!!! Can't wait for it 2 b leaked! cool

And then of course i'll buy it!!! razz
[Edited 2/17/06 14:50pm]


Would that not spoil the fun - you know, the anticipation, the "let*s go to the record store", the looking at the cover art, the popping it in your CD player, the much-better-than-downloaded sound quality, the reading the lyrics bit.

I have done the downloading, a bit here and there bootleg stuff - and when the cd then comes out, I know 50% of the tracks, skip through them. No more, it is much better the way described above.

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Reply #164 posted 02/20/06 2:06am

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Ugh, I was going to butt in on this Christianity argument but I'm so sick of hearing the same response again and again. Give him hell, fire, brimstone etc, Moonbeam! Just because we're believers, doesn't mean we have to be completely oblivious to the world around us!
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Reply #165 posted 02/20/06 5:58am

Novabreaker

Alexandernvrmind said:

...let alone dense


I'm definitely dense. nod
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Reply #166 posted 02/20/06 6:25am

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NewFunk said:

Ugh, I was going to butt in on this Christianity argument but I'm so sick of hearing the same response again and again. Give him hell, fire, brimstone etc, Moonbeam! Just because we're believers, doesn't mean we have to be completely oblivious to the world around us!
[Edited 2/20/06 2:12am]


doesn't mean we have to be completely oblivious to the world around us!


Question since your a Christian what does the above mean exactly? And what does that have to do with Prince continuining to have obvious hit you over the head messages in his music like GOD, I Would Die 4 U, Thunder, eye NO & Anastesia just to name a few. Address the issue...there is nothing subtle about any of those songs. If you stick to that this can be a very productive discussion. I argue that its been there all along. You argue that it was more subtle previously. I beg to differ and have given examples of songs over and over again to prove my point. Something you have never addressed. Also since your a Christian you might want to check out Psalms 9:1-2 & Psalms 34 and see first hand how open minded GOD wants Christians to be rolleyes You see part of the problem is that people want to do what they want to do instead of doing and living as Christ has instructed us. Christianity is not something you hear about. Its a life style that includes diet, excercise, moral guidlines to live by...a blue print on how to choose of wives or husbands, raise our families, deal with crisis etc... Its all there. One suggestion maybe you should try reading the Bible a bit more and I think you might get a better understanding of what it means to be a Christian not what you think but what the Bible says.

you probably should respond here if you care to at all http://www.prince.org/msg/7/178299
[Edited 2/20/06 6:28am]
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Reply #167 posted 02/20/06 6:47am

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Reply #168 posted 02/20/06 7:37am

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WOW!Thanks for the review. Can't wait until the CD is released. Thank you wink .

[i] biggrin that makes me happy fan since 1977
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Reply #169 posted 02/20/06 8:49am

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What I read about this album looks very much like I'm definitely going to incredibly buy this album like hell biggrin
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Reply #170 posted 02/20/06 9:02am

Heiress

NewFunk said:

andyman91 said:

Hopefully this record has the concise pop quality of Musicology, but the experimental & exciting musical sound of TRC.


That sounds pretty accurate. Though it's not quite as "out there" as TRC.


"out there" is good. smile but i'm looking forward to 3121 anyway. i hope this one knocks 'em dead!
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Reply #171 posted 02/20/06 12:00pm

purpledoveuk

Shame about Fury it sounds similar to how Endorphinmachine went on the Gold Experience.

Saw it many times live before the album was released and it was kick ass guitar all the way...I couldnt wait to get the CD when it was released.

Sadly what my ears heard wasnt the raucous guitar based rock I had been tretaed to before but instead a cery prominent cowbell with guitar in the background.

I remember seeing Fury for teh first time and thinking this is gonna be great...sounds like its had a similar treatment. I wonder why he shys away from that when it comes to recording it
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Reply #172 posted 02/20/06 12:05pm

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purpledoveuk said:

Shame about Fury it sounds similar to how Endorphinmachine went on the Gold Experience.

Saw it many times live before the album was released and it was kick ass guitar all the way...I couldnt wait to get the CD when it was released.

Sadly what my ears heard wasnt the raucous guitar based rock I had been tretaed to before but instead a cery prominent cowbell with guitar in the background.

I remember seeing Fury for teh first time and thinking this is gonna be great...sounds like its had a similar treatment. I wonder why he shys away from that when it comes to recording it


There is no cowbell on the studio version of Fury. Lots of synths and frenzied guitar.
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Reply #173 posted 02/20/06 12:18pm

purpledoveuk

Papaj said:

purpledoveuk said:

Shame about Fury it sounds similar to how Endorphinmachine went on the Gold Experience.

Saw it many times live before the album was released and it was kick ass guitar all the way...I couldnt wait to get the CD when it was released.

Sadly what my ears heard wasnt the raucous guitar based rock I had been tretaed to before but instead a cery prominent cowbell with guitar in the background.

I remember seeing Fury for teh first time and thinking this is gonna be great...sounds like its had a similar treatment. I wonder why he shys away from that when it comes to recording it


There is no cowbell on the studio version of Fury. Lots of synths and frenzied guitar.


Phew!!!!! wink

But I kinda meant the fact that Endorphinmachine is a kick ass guitar and drum song....not a percussion instrument song that happens to have guitar in it. What happened to that song illustrated teh dangers of over production and,as Fury seems similar sounding, I was worried from teh description above that it too had been polished to within an inch of its life and didnt still hold teh same,well...fury!!!
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Reply #174 posted 02/20/06 12:27pm

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Alexandernvrmind said:

Moonbeam said:



For the record, I do believe that Christ is the son of God and the world's savior. But my beliefs aren't the question here. It's funny that you jumped to conclusions about my beliefs based on the way I choose to present them. I obviously am not your kind of Christian, which is fine. That doesn't disqualify me as a Christian, though, now does it?

Furthermore, adhering to a specific belief system does not automatically have to go with having a closed mind. There is plenty that I have learned from other cultures and religions that I feel would benefit society as a whole. I don't feel that it has threatened my Christianity at all, but rather enhanced it.

The issue that has been raised by many is more about the way spiritual beliefs are presented to others. If you jump down people's throat with your beliefs and have no context of their beliefs or their struggles, it isn't going to work. Point blank. I know from experience- lots of it. My best friend in college was an atheist who was completely turned off by Christianity because of those types of approaches. People have related better to Prince's expressions of belief in the past because the nature of the lyrics was more of a celebration of his beliefs rather than a mandate of them as infallible doctrine.


Moonbeam this has nothing to do with what I believe. The very basics of Christianity you fly in the face of. There is nothing to be opened minded about if you are a true believer. Also if you were a true believer you would try and convert as many as possible. That is not my opinion that is in the Bible you know the book that Christians use as guide to live their lives

I'm sure you a nice enough person but I would seriously challenge you to really study and read about you so called Christianity because based on what you say here you appear to be in a major struggle. Sorry no offense but it is what it is

Isn't the point of Christianity (and any other religion for that matter) to lead a Christ-like and good life, help others and get into heaven?

If so, good luck with that. thumbs up!

Oh and yay 3121!!! woot!
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Reply #175 posted 02/20/06 12:46pm

NorthernLad

Alexandernvrmind said:

NewFunk said:

Ugh, I was going to butt in on this Christianity argument but I'm so sick of hearing the same response again and again. Give him hell, fire, brimstone etc, Moonbeam! Just because we're believers, doesn't mean we have to be completely oblivious to the world around us!
[Edited 2/20/06 2:12am]


doesn't mean we have to be completely oblivious to the world around us!


Question since your a Christian what does the above mean exactly? And what does that have to do with Prince continuining to have obvious hit you over the head messages in his music like GOD, I Would Die 4 U, Thunder, eye NO & Anastesia just to name a few. Address the issue...there is nothing subtle about any of those songs. If you stick to that this can be a very productive discussion. I argue that its been there all along. You argue that it was more subtle previously. I beg to differ and have given examples of songs over and over again to prove my point. Something you have never addressed. Also since your a Christian you might want to check out Psalms 9:1-2 & Psalms 34 and see first hand how open minded GOD wants Christians to be rolleyes You see part of the problem is that people want to do what they want to do instead of doing and living as Christ has instructed us. Christianity is not something you hear about. Its a life style that includes diet, excercise, moral guidlines to live by...a blue print on how to choose of wives or husbands, raise our families, deal with crisis etc... Its all there. One suggestion maybe you should try reading the Bible a bit more and I think you might get a better understanding of what it means to be a Christian not what you think but what the Bible says.

you probably should respond here if you care to at all http://www.prince.org/msg/7/178299
[Edited 2/20/06 6:28am]



lol fit

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Reply #176 posted 02/20/06 3:53pm

Zenox

My first concert was Prince, The Time and Vanity Six in 1983. Prince had sex on stage to International Lover behind a white sheet in which you could see the outline of everything. This is what he has been missing. I Wanna Be Your Lover, Head, Do Me Baby, International Lover, Beautiful Ones, Girlfriend, just to name a few, are the songs that made Prince so adored by the ladies, and helped the poor guys like me actually have a chance at getting some.

With that said, I hope 3121 goes old school. When the music was sexy, raw, dirty, nasty, make yo' mama tell you to turn that shit off, Prince music. While we may want to keep him out of the black panties, (maybe some of the ladies might like that) this is the type of over the top antics that put him on the map. His music kept him there, but he needs to remember his roots and get off the religious high horse. His music will be much better if he does.
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Reply #177 posted 02/20/06 4:36pm

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I would like to know, y they insist on realising the single after the album.
Black Sweat and Te Amo Corazon have both had video releases and yet r not
available in stores. These 2 singles should b released and b the launching pad 4 the album. other artists do it so well, on the back of a good single to build up the hype the album is released, not vice versa. In the past there has not been many Prince singles that have done well after the album has come out, 1 reason i believe is the fact that there hasn't been many b sides or remixes on the singles , there4 not really worth getting it for the same version u have on the album. Sorry 4 my rambling but this has been on my nerves 4 a few years and after hearing Black Sweat, I believe a couple of good remixes, a b side this would b an awesome release as a single BUT b4 the album is released 2 build some sales momentum 4 the album, even a double single with Te Amo Corazon. Thanks 4 all who made it this far.
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Reply #178 posted 02/20/06 4:48pm

purpledoveuk

Zenox said:

My first concert was Prince, The Time and Vanity Six in 1983. Prince had sex on stage to International Lover behind a white sheet in which you could see the outline of everything. This is what he has been missing. I Wanna Be Your Lover, Head, Do Me Baby, International Lover, Beautiful Ones, Girlfriend, just to name a few, are the songs that made Prince so adored by the ladies, and helped the poor guys like me actually have a chance at getting some.

With that said, I hope 3121 goes old school. When the music was sexy, raw, dirty, nasty, make yo' mama tell you to turn that shit off, Prince music. While we may want to keep him out of the black panties, (maybe some of the ladies might like that) this is the type of over the top antics that put him on the map. His music kept him there, but he needs to remember his roots and get off the religious high horse. His music will be much better if he does.


Interesting...but are you really claimin Prince did the Matress Mambo live on stage and you saw the silhouette of Monsieur Penis plunging into a silky pool.

Or do you just mean he did his usual trick of rubbing up against a piece of furniture or piano
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Reply #179 posted 02/20/06 4:51pm

purpledoveuk

NPS319 said:

I would like to know, y they insist on realising the single after the album.
Black Sweat and Te Amo Corazon have both had video releases and yet r not
available in stores. These 2 singles should b released and b the launching pad 4 the album. other artists do it so well, on the back of a good single to build up the hype the album is released, not vice versa. In the past there has not been many Prince singles that have done well after the album has come out, 1 reason i believe is the fact that there hasn't been many b sides or remixes on the singles , there4 not really worth getting it for the same version u have on the album. Sorry 4 my rambling but this has been on my nerves 4 a few years and after hearing Black Sweat, I believe a couple of good remixes, a b side this would b an awesome release as a single BUT b4 the album is released 2 build some sales momentum 4 the album, even a double single with Te Amo Corazon. Thanks 4 all who made it this far.
confused


Te Amo Corazon is in stores (as an import here in the UK)but Im not going to buy it as it only has teh one song on it.....there was a definite point that started with the Morning Papers where Prince got sloppy with singles and just put other album tracks or remixes out only rarely going back to what we all love - the good B-Side. Putting just oen track takes it to a whole new level
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