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Reply #180 posted 12/29/05 10:34am

Anji

alexnvrmind, do u disagree that the 'act' of discarding the PRINCE name inevitably gave rise 2 spiritual growth?

2 reiterate, during those tumultuous years, the name 'change' can b viewed of as 1 of the pivotol factors that P held on 2, n that pulled him thru. Eye suspect he let go of the notion ONLY when he no longer felt he needed it's support.

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Reply #181 posted 12/29/05 10:39am

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Reply #182 posted 12/29/05 10:56am

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alexnvrmnd said:

setyrmindphree said:



Where did he "admit" that his first take of it being spiritual was wrong or a lie. I'm actually not challenging you, I would be interested in reading or listening to what he said. Because I don't know, and would like to, did the WB conflict start before or after the name change? Wasn't the name change in '93 sometime?

Well, he admitted it by simply saying his reason for changing his name was for business or contracual reasons. That's pretty much saying "It wasn't what I said it was before" because before, all he said was that his reason for doing it was for something spiritual and some Higher Power told him what his name "really was". rolleyes He didn't need to scream the words, "I admit I lied before about why I changed my name!" for him to still basically say his original explanation was not on the up and up. Again, I point to altavista's post of his quotes as proof. He only said it was spiritual to begin with so he could seem more ethereal, philisophical, spiritual, and mysterious (which is an aura he's been trying to project his entire career).


You could also argue that initially he was telling the truth, but came up with a more practical explanation later when it suited him.

After all, if it was purely business reasons, why did he continue to use the symbol name for Emancipation, Crystal Ball and Rave which were all recorded when his contract for Warner's had been completed? On Rave he announced that 'Prince' was the producer - as though he was easing himself back into using the name.*
*After reading the Vault, it appears he still had a publishing deal with Warner Chappell Music (which I gather is slightly different to Warner's proper) up until the end of 1999, which is why he kept using the symbol name. Prince has registered a lot of unreleased songs, perhaps those he registed while under Warner Chappell are the vault items he can't release?

You can look at it that he had finally realised his symbol name was a hindrance, alienating his audience, and so came up with a bunch of digestable practical business reasons why he had started the symbol name in an attempt to get back to using the more marketable and seriously-taken name 'Prince' while still maintaining some dignity.

You could also argue that he changed his name to try and get out of his record contract, but that his spirit picked the ACTUAL name to use. That way, both sides of the statements are valid.
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Reply #183 posted 12/29/05 11:12am

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eek Wow, what beautiful feelings that read brought back for P's music!
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Reply #184 posted 12/29/05 12:30pm

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Alan Leeds gets it. Prince lost HIS sound in the 90's by trying to incorporate what others were doing. When Emanicaption came out, a fellow Prince fan and keyboard player at that time for La Bouche told me he recognized several of the loops on that cd from libraries. I notice them everytime I played that cd after that.

I also agree that Prince seems to have refound his own sound the past three years and I'm hopeful we'll be seeing/hearing some good/great things from him again soon.


Those loops that you are speaking about were all probably related to the tracks that Kirky J was involved in. -Mg
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Reply #185 posted 12/29/05 2:08pm

baXtos

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Wowugotit said:

Prince needs Wendy & Lisa so bad!!!!! God!!! Please reveal to Prince that he needs W&L![/b]


no he doesnt.

anywoo i think that it is a great interview of alan leeds. so who's next matt fink or andre? what about brownmark?
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Oh yes, Prince Wendy & lisa need each other bad, thoser 3 were born to compliment each orther's music!!

GREAT INTERVIEW! Please, bring Susan ROGERS next!
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Reply #186 posted 12/29/05 3:22pm

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I sure learnt a lot today. Thanks BC! cool
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Reply #187 posted 12/29/05 4:53pm

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Good read. One man amounts to a great deal more than another man's opinion of him.
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Reply #188 posted 12/29/05 5:36pm

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baXtos said:

... Please, bring Susan ROGERS next!


nod nod nod I'm sure that would be equally informative and interesting!
"I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015
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Reply #189 posted 12/29/05 5:45pm

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baXtos said:

dewalliz said:



no he doesnt.

anywoo i think that it is a great interview of alan leeds. so who's next matt fink or andre? what about brownmark?
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Oh yes, Prince Wendy & lisa need each other bad, thoser 3 were born to compliment each orther's music!!

GREAT INTERVIEW! Please, bring Susan ROGERS next!


I think not!!! lol lol HE needs Andre, Brownmark and Dez back. Skip Lisa and Wendy, although I will keep Lisa because I like her better pre-Purple Rain the days when she was told what to play and to sing. When Wendy came along, her and Lisa ruined Prince's records with their weird psychedelic influence. Thank goodness Prince left that alone after he fired them, although Prince's work declined after he made SOTT which I considered his comeback album since 1984.

Also he needs to bring back Dr. Fink and get Sheila E in the mix.
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Reply #190 posted 12/29/05 6:03pm

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dewalliz said:

... When Wendy came along, her and Lisa ruined Prince's records with their weird psychedelic influence. Thank goodness Prince left that alone after he fired them....


But what about Parade? Do you hear a psychedelic influence on there? I don't think W&L should be held accountable for the sound of ATWIAD, that was Prince's idea.
"I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015
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Reply #191 posted 12/29/05 6:23pm

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CandaceS said:

dewalliz said:

... When Wendy came along, her and Lisa ruined Prince's records with their weird psychedelic influence. Thank goodness Prince left that alone after he fired them....


But what about Parade? Do you hear a psychedelic influence on there? I don't think W&L should be held accountable for the sound of ATWIAD, that was Prince's idea.


Are you deaf? lol lol L&W's influences were everywhere on those crappy albums like ATWIAD and Parade, psychedelic or not. Isn't funny the Prince's albums from 1978-84 there wasnt trace of that sound that you can hear on ATWIAD and Parade. Even Lisa and Wendy said themselves they have heavy input on ATWIAD and Parade. Yes Prince does make the final decision on what songs going on those records still L&W's influences on ATWIAD and Parade was very heavy my dear. Even L&W's hardcore fans would agreed.

Anyway back to the subject I think that Alan was very informative and detail oriented with the interview. I hope the org going to do more interviews from Prince's former associates.
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Reply #192 posted 12/29/05 6:47pm

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While I can understand the thought behind "Bring Wendy and Lisa back" or "Bring (insert random former bandmember here) back", even "Bring the Linn drum and Oberheims back", I think it may be missing the point.

I'll go on record to say that my favorite "Prince era" did involve collaborations with some amazing people, but life isn't about going back to repeat the same old stuff, is it? Wendy and Lisa have matured and (to me at least) always been great songwriters and musicians, but I can't help but think that if Prince, Wendy and Lisa locked themselves away and recorded a new album, that most of those wishing for it would be disappointed. Why? They have all grown older and lead different lives than they did in the 80's. The end result, as beautiful and breathtaking as it would be, would not be Purple Rain part deux, Parade Returns or Sign of the Times - the six disc set.

Here's my idea of a more sensible wish for the future of Prince. I'd like to see Prince to collaborate with some talented new people. I'd like to hear him pushed in new directions, not pushed back to where he was 20 years ago.

Ok, now I'm stretching, but I'd also like to see Prince as part of a band that's not his own. I'd love to see him just jam on bass for a tour for someone else, just because I love his bass playing so much. However, I can't think of any existing group that he could do that with.
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Reply #193 posted 12/29/05 6:58pm

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NightGod said:

While I can understand the thought behind "Bring Wendy and Lisa back" or "Bring (insert random former bandmember here) back", even "Bring the Linn drum and Oberheims back", I think it may be missing the point.

I'll go on record to say that my favorite "Prince era" did involve collaborations with some amazing people, but life isn't about going back to repeat the same old stuff, is it? Wendy and Lisa have matured and (to me at least) always been great songwriters and musicians, but I can't help but think that if Prince, Wendy and Lisa locked themselves away and recorded a new album, that most of those wishing for it would be disappointed. Why? They have all grown older and lead different lives than they did in the 80's. The end result, as beautiful and breathtaking as it would be, would not be Purple Rain part deux.

Here's my idea of a more sensible wish for the future of Prince. I'd like to see Prince to collaborate with some talented new people. I'd like to hear him pushed in new directions, not pushed back to where he was 20 years ago.



I agreed. Also I don't expecting Prince to repeat himself but damn he needs to bring that hardcore funk and rock that I missed but no I dont want a rehash since this is a different era. He can still have the sound that I missed in his new album but with new flavor though.
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Reply #194 posted 12/29/05 7:11pm

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Just so everybody is in the loop here, constructive criticism is welcomed on this thread, as are thoughts on Alan and his answers. However...ANY sign of veering too far off track, and I will ensure we get back on it - swiftly.

Just so we're all on the same page...mmmk?

Do continue. wink
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Reply #195 posted 12/29/05 7:23pm

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He's collaborating with Clare Fischer again so maybe there's more truth to these W&L rumours than meets the eye.
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Reply #196 posted 12/29/05 7:53pm

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I agree with someone here who wrote that the 90's music was overrall pretty good--actually, the shit was great, at times. The slog, musically, has more to do with Prince's religious ideals, where risk is not part of the plan. His lyrics have to please the Watchtower masters, and his sound has to be pleasing to his new ideas about a more fascist and controlling God. Hardcore religious people just don't make good music. The religion stunts growth in the psyche--democracy is what brings out the fire and artistic want in artists. Prince is fried, in that respect.

Leeds pretty much summed up my thoughts about Prince. He is a man or honor and truth, and he seems to still really care about Prince. The Church only cares about controlling Prince's mind and money.

Real friends know when to pull the cold water in the face bit. Prince is afraid of having real friends. He looks in the mirror and that man staring back, doesn't smile. He is calculating, at this very moment, in becoming a by the numbers pop artist, devoid of any real artistry. It is all about the surface now--so we all better get used to it.
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Reply #197 posted 12/30/05 12:06am

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Many thanks to Mr. Leeds and 'nana for taking the time to put this together. It is a great read!


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Reply #198 posted 12/30/05 12:15am

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JimmyNothing said:

He's collaborating with Clare Fischer again so maybe there's more truth to these W&L rumours than meets the eye.


But he never stopped working with Clare Fisher.
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Reply #199 posted 12/30/05 3:39am

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2freaky4church1 said:

He is calculating, at this very moment, in becoming a by the numbers pop artist, devoid of any real artistry. It is all about the surface now--so we all better get used to it.



That's your view of it. None of us is are Prince's mind, and we don't even know any details of what's to come yet.
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Reply #200 posted 12/30/05 10:41am

nickfunk

thank you to Alan and all the orgers involved in this !!!


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Reply #201 posted 12/30/05 11:33am

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BIG THANKS FOR YOUR TIME...

Excellent read for me as long time follower.
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Reply #202 posted 12/30/05 7:05pm

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I agree wholeheartedly about the comments on Prince and hip-hop.
There are very few good Prince "rap" tunes ("18 and over" sticks out in my mind as the only really good one.)
I was sad to see Prince inject rap into his early 90's work.
Even back then, it was clear that Prince was so above it, and not very good at it.
I mean, come on man, you're a musical genuis. If I want guys who couldn't write an original melody or play an instrument to save their lives (excluding The Roots here), I'll turn to rap. But usually, I don't.



First I have to say that Mr. Leeds seemed really sincere in his comments; I agree for the most part with his statements....Also, I agree that Prince had no business fucking with hip-hop, But the way I'm reading your post eugnj420, is that you are basically saying that hip-hop artists are talentless hacks... Prince wasn't above incorporating hip-hop because hip hop artists lacked artistic merit...During the early '90s D&P era, hip-hop was truly a beast...I love the homie Prince, but, at that point Nas, Dr. Dre, A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, Wu Tang Clan, Notorious BIG, Black Moon, and Mobb Deep were all releasing some of the genre's most influential and groundbreaking albums and collectively was making the same cultural impact P, MJ, and Madonna made in the '80s...Yeah, Prince was above trying to jump on the bandwagon; However, what it really comes down to is Prince lacked a fundamental respect and understanding of hip-hop music and culture as evident by his recruitment of Tony M. That's the real truth, not that fact that a Nas couldn't play guitar, bass, drums, or keyboard...
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Reply #203 posted 12/31/05 1:17am

fran

thank you very much for putting this interview together! it was a great read!
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Reply #204 posted 01/01/06 4:56pm

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I guess this puts to rest the idea that DMSR and POSSESSED were accurate. Now maybe I can get some rest! lol

There ain't no arguing with a man that was there!
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Reply #205 posted 01/01/06 5:24pm

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this was wonderful....thanks to all involved in putting it together.
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Reply #206 posted 01/02/06 6:31am

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I think fans of hiphop/rap can be far too precious about the genre of music. There's far too much concern about the artist being 'real' and from the street. Even within the field, acts have a go at each other for not being 'real' enough; it seems like you are not taken seriously unless you have been shot in a drive-by!

If you're not too precious about it, you can see it more simply as a genre of music that bits and pieces can be borrowed from, much like hiphop borrows heavily from rock and funk. In that context, Prince was actually quite successful - somebody must have liked his hiphop imitative work, because Diamonds & Pearls was one of his biggest selling albums.
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Reply #207 posted 01/02/06 7:48am

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metalorange said:

somebody must have liked his hiphop imitative work, because Diamonds & Pearls was one of his biggest selling albums.


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Reply #208 posted 01/02/06 9:13am

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Actually Irresistable Bitch and Heaven Must Be Near are arguably hip hop cuts although that prolly wasnt his intention. Funky as a mofo too.
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Reply #209 posted 01/02/06 3:53pm

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Wonderful interview!
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