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Reply #30 posted 12/13/05 12:06pm

Ace

laurarichardson said:

Ace said:

I cannot wait until Prince starts trying to explain away all the contradictions between this deal and his recent statements regarding "CONtracts", being a "slave", yadda, yadda, yadda. It'll be the fanciest footwork we've seen since the "Thieves in the Temple" vid.
falloff

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Well you we just have to wait and see if this is a one off deal or a long term agreement. If he can keep the master tape and still do things independently it will not matter if the deal is long-term because he will have accomplished what he set out to do in the first place. I think you are forgetting CD sales are still at a 5 year low. Record companies are not going to be set in stone on master tapes and exclusivity when sales are low.

Regardless of the terms, signing a recording contract contradicts everything he claimed he was fighting when he was moaning about his Warner's deal. And if you think that Universal is signing him without any input whatsoever into the marketing of the records they will be releasing, you're living in a fantasyland (and that's to say they will not have any say in the content of the records, the packaging, etc., etc., which I highly doubt).
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Reply #31 posted 12/13/05 12:21pm

Anxiety

Ace said:

I cannot wait until Prince starts trying to explain away all the contradictions between this deal and his recent statements regarding "CONtracts", being a "slave", yadda, yadda, yadda. It'll be the fanciest footwork we've seen since the "Thieves in the Temple" vid.
falloff


nah. he just won't talk about it. and it'll be added to the list of things interviewers can't ask him about. the man knows how to build walls.
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Reply #32 posted 12/13/05 12:33pm

preciosa863

Ace said:

laurarichardson said:


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Well you we just have to wait and see if this is a one off deal or a long term agreement. If he can keep the master tape and still do things independently it will not matter if the deal is long-term because he will have accomplished what he set out to do in the first place. I think you are forgetting CD sales are still at a 5 year low. Record companies are not going to be set in stone on master tapes and exclusivity when sales are low.

Regardless of the terms, signing a recording contract contradicts everything he claimed he was fighting when he was moaning about his Warner's deal. And if you think that Universal is signing him without any input whatsoever into the marketing of the records they will be releasing, you're living in a fantasyland (and that's to say they will not have any say in the content of the records, the packaging, etc., etc., which I highly doubt).



That was the PAST!!! People change, situations change, outcomes change and decisions change...
u & me, we got mad chemisty
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Reply #33 posted 12/13/05 12:47pm

jone70

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purplecam said:

GoldenGlove said:

Crossing my fingers that 3121 will bring the FUNK. headbang

lol


Hey...that was my line! biggrin
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Reply #34 posted 12/13/05 12:49pm

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Anxiety said:

alandail said:



how does the first paragraph of the press release sound like a one-off deal?


because we're talking about prince here, that's how.


Co-Sign. He has been doing one-offs since he left WB. Although each deal has surmounted in the same specualtion as this one. I doubt this is any different.

I wish they had given more info about the album though.

Christian Zombie Vampires

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Reply #35 posted 12/13/05 12:51pm

sermwanderer

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Ha Ha!

Prince is great man. He just keeps on doing whatever the fuck he wants, no matter what he has said in the past.
“If I can shoot rabbits/then I can shoot fascists”
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Reply #36 posted 12/13/05 12:55pm

IstenSzek

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superspaceboy said:

Anxiety said:



because we're talking about prince here, that's how.


Co-Sign. He has been doing one-offs since he left WB. Although each deal has surmounted in the same specualtion as this one. I doubt this is any different.

I wish they had given more info about the album though.


me too! i don't know why but i had this gut feeling for the last
year that it would DEF be a double disc package.

his first -specifically designed as such- double DISC album. but
i'm not so sure anymore after this press release. perhaps Prince
will clarify this matter for me later 2day at his own conference

biggrin
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #37 posted 12/13/05 1:01pm

Ace

sermwanderer said:

Prince is great man. He just keeps on doing whatever the fuck he wants, no matter what he has said in the past.

Sometimes this site scares me. sigh
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Reply #38 posted 12/13/05 1:09pm

superspaceboy

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IstenSzek said:

superspaceboy said:



Co-Sign. He has been doing one-offs since he left WB. Although each deal has surmounted in the same specualtion as this one. I doubt this is any different.

I wish they had given more info about the album though.


me too! i don't know why but i had this gut feeling for the last
year that it would DEF be a double disc package.

his first -specifically designed as such- double DISC album. but
i'm not so sure anymore after this press release. perhaps Prince
will clarify this matter for me later 2day at his own conference

biggrin


Or even info on the rumored W&L collaboration ...I even heard rumblings of a revolution album (or maybe that's my wishful thinking...or someone posting fake info here). SOmething other than He's working with yet another company. Other than a new album is on the way and the new song (out WAY WAY before the release of 3121) slash video dorected by Salma Hayek.

I mean really, the statement could have been shorted to 2 sentences.

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Reply #39 posted 12/13/05 1:18pm

IstenSzek

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superspaceboy said:

IstenSzek said:



me too! i don't know why but i had this gut feeling for the last
year that it would DEF be a double disc package.

his first -specifically designed as such- double DISC album. but
i'm not so sure anymore after this press release. perhaps Prince
will clarify this matter for me later 2day at his own conference

biggrin


Or even info on the rumored W&L collaboration ...I even heard rumblings of a revolution album (or maybe that's my wishful thinking...or someone posting fake info here). SOmething other than He's working with yet another company. Other than a new album is on the way and the new song (out WAY WAY before the release of 3121) slash video dorected by Salma Hayek.

I mean really, the statement could have been shorted to 2 sentences.


indeed. i think this is the first single just to test the water a bit and
to mildly catch people's attention. probably hoping it will get a lot of
airplay over the holiday season.

there will probably be a second single first week of feb that will have a
faster beat and the album will then follow late march or early april.

i think they're going to go the Diamonds & Pearls route with this, pulling
2 singles from it before they release the album.

at least he's learned a thing or two from the Rave fiasco and got his vid
ready to go same time as the lead off single.

that was SUCH a wasted chance with The Greatest Romance. he just kept on
holding back the video until after the single and album were in the shop

disbelief

as far as the Revolution stuff is hinted at here and there, i wouldn't
put my money on it. it's been said too many times now for me to really
fall for that.

perhaps some Wendy and Lisa stuff. But you know what he's like, he'll
have contacted them finally and they'll have recorded an album's worth
of top notch material only for P to stick it in the vault and hit at
it for years to come, though never releasing it.

mad
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #40 posted 12/13/05 1:41pm

sermwanderer

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Ace said:

sermwanderer said:

Prince is great man. He just keeps on doing whatever the fuck he wants, no matter what he has said in the past.

Sometimes this site scares me. sigh





iiiiirony alert mate.

can you dig it?
[Edited 12/13/05 13:42pm]
“If I can shoot rabbits/then I can shoot fascists”
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Reply #41 posted 12/13/05 1:49pm

Ace

sermwanderer said:

Ace said:


Sometimes this site scares me. sigh





iiiiirony alert mate.

can you dig it?

Sorry, man - thought you were for real (there's no shortage of people on this site who will basically defend anything Prince does with similarly flawed logic).
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Reply #42 posted 12/13/05 1:51pm

jimmyrogertodd

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liberation said:

Sorry, i just don't care for this music anymore rolleyes
Now if he gave me a 4CD with 1985-86 era material i'd be doing a 180` woot!
Then why even pretend to be a fan if that is all you care about. His creativity didn't end during that era and he has grown as an artist so he should just play the same old stuff from back in the day. He is making music which is all any of us should care about and if you don't like it then you have the right not to purchase any of it. All the negativity around here is astounding and none of us have even heard one note. If it were you that all this negativity was about then what would ya do? Stop or continue to do what makes you happy and rich or dig a hole to crawl into. Let's just wait to hear what the man gives us this time and see if we can appreciate some if not all of it.
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Reply #43 posted 12/13/05 1:56pm

Teacher

Full on quake? Puh-lease! falloff
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Reply #44 posted 12/13/05 2:04pm

sermwanderer

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Ace said:

sermwanderer said:






iiiiirony alert mate.

can you dig it?

Sorry, man - thought you were for real (there's no shortage of people on this site who will basically defend anything Prince does with similarly flawed logic).



thats cool man.

I can understand Prince not having to answer to his ambiguities on NPGMC, its like a state controlled newspaper over there, but the org should be an open talking shop for his madness.
“If I can shoot rabbits/then I can shoot fascists”
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Reply #45 posted 12/13/05 2:07pm

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Who gives a rats ass about his deal. All that matters is whats on that record.
All the gals say hoe if your man's giving up the gold. All the fellas say ruff if you're only giving up the bone.
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Reply #46 posted 12/13/05 2:07pm

Ace

sermwanderer said:

its like a state controlled newspaper over there

falloff

Some would seem to prefer it that way over here, too. I'll say it again: I love a lot of the man's music, but that doesn't mean I don't call him on it when he's talking out of his ass.
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Reply #47 posted 12/13/05 2:45pm

poetbear68

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alandail said:

eek

It's not a simple distribution deal like he had with musicology, but rather a recording contract for which 3121 is the first release.

Prince back on a major label for real. eek


Well see how that goes. I wouldn't doubt they are interested in having him rerelease his stuff through their label when he gets the chance.


And I'll just bet Warner Bros. is kicking themselves right about now. Tough stuff - eat it, Warners.
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Reply #48 posted 12/13/05 2:47pm

kmc

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garnis said:

Who gives a rats ass about his deal. All that matters is whats on that record.



gotta co-sign this one here...

I give one rat's ass what label he works with -- other than WB -- afterall, it was WB that made our little hero, and I would shit a brick if he actually jumped back in the bed with those guys.

All I want to see is a well marketed album, and that really depends on what Prince does or doesn't do. We all seem to overlook the fact that WB made sure that there was plenty of access to the freakin' beats! So let's make it easy to get a buzz goin' for 3121!!!
La, la, la
He, he, hee!
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Reply #49 posted 12/13/05 2:47pm

poetbear68

liberation said:

Sorry, i just don't care for this music anymore rolleyes
Now if he gave me a 4CD with 1985-86 era material i'd be doing a 180` woot!


YO! Stop living in the past!
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Reply #50 posted 12/13/05 2:48pm

L3E

Probably looking at the wrong thing on his "agreement." Dollar bet that regardless of what he signed, there was something in there about owning the masters and him making, like $5 per unit sold or something. That's what he's used to now . . . he wants that chedda . . .

As for the song . . . heard it on www.windowsmedia.com . . . it's a classic understated Prince ballad . . . which means it won't be a hit. It's not a bad song, but it ain't "got the rhyme to make you tell a friend . . ."

Disappointing, this guy. On one hand, I get it -- leading off with a ballad, I mean. With the exception of Musicology, the last fonky uptempo hits he led off an album with were "Gett Off" (D&P) and "Sexy MF" (Symbol) and that was in the early 1990s! I mean, it's hard for him to go wrong with the ladies with a ballad, but . . . "Te Amo" is kinda sleepy . . . zzzzz . . .
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Reply #51 posted 12/13/05 2:55pm

Anxiety

Teacher said:

Full on quake? Puh-lease! falloff


compared to the dearth of information or ANYTHING we were getting all year? yeah. quake. so shut up already! giggle
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Reply #52 posted 12/13/05 3:59pm

tonybibb

L3E said:

Probably looking at the wrong thing on his "agreement." Dollar bet that regardless of what he signed, there was something in there about owning the masters and him making, like $5 per unit sold or something. That's what he's used to now . . . he wants that chedda . . .

As for the song . . . heard it on www.windowsmedia.com . . . it's a classic understated Prince ballad . . . which means it won't be a hit. It's not a bad song, but it ain't "got the rhyme to make you tell a friend . . ."

Disappointing, this guy. On one hand, I get it -- leading off with a ballad, I mean. With the exception of Musicology, the last fonky uptempo hits he led off an album with were "Gett Off" (D&P) and "Sexy MF" (Symbol) and that was in the early 1990s! I mean, it's hard for him to go wrong with the ladies with a ballad, but . . . "Te Amo" is kinda sleepy . . . zzzzz . . .


only thing that can be figured is that this song had a better vision 4 the video versus the remaining songs on the disc. this may be a fact that the video may actually inspire the masses to purshase (imagine that).

as 4 the "agreement", in a previous prince interview(s) he broke the word "con-tract down, and in moreorless better term/wording would be agreement. basically prince agrees to give them music until they piss him off.

any rumors on a tour??
must be something in the water they drink..
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Reply #53 posted 12/13/05 3:59pm

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Anxiety said:

Teacher said:

Full on quake? Puh-lease! falloff


compared to the dearth of information or ANYTHING we were getting all year? yeah. quake. so shut up already! giggle



DAMN! biggrin
The check. The string he dropped. The Mona Lisa. The musical notes taken out of a hat. The glass. The toy shotgun painting. The things he found. Therefore, everything seen–every object, that is, plus the process of looking at it–is a Duchamp.
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Reply #54 posted 12/13/05 4:00pm

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poetbear68 said:


And I'll just bet Warner Bros. is kicking themselves right about now. Tough stuff - eat it, Warners.


Or could it be the other way around, Prince is regretting leaving WB? I was just discussing this with someone the other day. And now it looks like he's gone back to a long-term deal with a record company...

Announcing his new musical home, musical superstar Prince has signed an exclusive recording agreement with Universal Records, it was announced today... His first release on Universal Records, an album entitled 3121...


1. New musical home...as opposed to NPG Records (or NPGMC)?

2. Exclusive recording agreement sure sounds like a record contract to me!

3. Use of the phrase "first release" in conjunction with the name of his forthcoming album, indicates that more album releases are planned.

So as I was saying, sure seems like Prince has gone back to a conventional record contract. Maybe he has agreed to self-finance the recordings in exchange for retaining ownership of the works?

Unless this press release is poorly worded or simply very wrong, the meaning is clear. Perhaps we'll get some clarification soon, and that might prove me wrong. I'll be watching with great interest!

Maybe some folks just don't want to accept that he may have gone back on one of his biggest "principles" of recent years? Again, I could be wrong, we'll see.

I saw alandail's post at NPGMC...still no answer as of now...I added my $.02, we'll see if they respond, or if the press conference clarifies things.
http://www.npgmusicclub.c...81#1156481

Edit/update: Okay, based on reports from the press conference, it IS in fact another one-album distribution deal, like with Columbia! Sure sounded like more in the press release, though.

cool
[Edited 12/14/05 1:24am]
"I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015
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Reply #55 posted 12/13/05 5:43pm

Anxiety

jone70 said:

Anxiety said:



compared to the dearth of information or ANYTHING we were getting all year? yeah. quake. so shut up already! giggle



DAMN! biggrin


thank ya kindly, i was waiting for that. giggle
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Reply #56 posted 12/13/05 5:56pm

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CandaceS said:


Or could it be ... Prince is regretting leaving WB?


Personally, I was disappointed when Prince left WB. I always hoped one day WB would come out with a poster of its two most famous entertainers together...Prince and Bugs Bunny. Now that would have been a COOL poster. biggrin
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Soaked in Banana Cologne, No Wonder U're All Alone
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Reply #57 posted 12/13/05 7:17pm

Dolphinking23

Since hes with Universal records.. will he get his own rollercoaster or thrill ride at a universal theme park.. or possibly a theme restaurant lol


-Dolphinking23
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Reply #58 posted 12/13/05 8:36pm

chunky

i'm happy for Prince, he deserves this...Universal is everywhere on the globe and i'm happy that prince went with VH-1, VH-1 is not MTV(ican'tstandmtv). I wish him all the best.
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Reply #59 posted 12/13/05 10:29pm

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Anxiety said:

jone70 said:




DAMN! biggrin


thank ya kindly, i was waiting for that. giggle



you're welcome...i do my best. biggrin
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