wellbeyond said:

Only a complete arrogant asshole like you with an opinion of himself so overly-inflated for no deserved reason would ignore the fact that simple does not mean simplistic.

Prince is saying in RACE to put the past behind you. Get over it. Move on. What matters is the future. Much like the message of The Lion King - the monkey shaman offers Simba the same advice. Dumbasses like you could learn a lot from cartoons.

BanishedBrian said:

No, you jackass. I won't do that. Nor will I compare slavery to the slaughter of 6 million Jews, because my point was just to MOVE THE FUCK ON. These things all happenED. See that? Past tense. You and wellbeyond can sit and debate the topic all you want, dwell on it endlessly here on a fucking Prince message board, whatever you want to do...while you're waiting for your homeslice to pass the bong.

i wish someone would pass me the bong...
anyone interested in Buffalo tickets?

Buffalo does have a nice mall in Cheektowaga...exit 52 East, maybe? The Galleria.

Honestly folks, black people are not the only people to have suffered throughout human history. Stop crying like a little bitch with a skinned knee, deal with it, and move on.

kellyannemcclure said:

"Three seats over there's a lady black
Entrusted 2 her care is a little white girl
And the fact of the matter is
Before her mama or another kid at school
Tell her 'bout the fallacy that one race rules over the other
She'd be a much-better-off-left fool'

Interpretation for your brain-dead ass...this isn't about putting our past behind us!!!...It's about NOT continuing to voice racist views to our kids that "one race rules over the other"...fuck this "he just wants us to put our past behind us" shit...the lyrics are clear as day...

"If we never heard about the evils that those before us committed
Then how my dear, tell me now how my dear…
Tell me now how now would we know?"

Could it GET anymore fucking clearer than this??...It's one thing to acknowledge "The evils committed before us", but not to dwell on them(which is what you're thinking the song is simply saying)...it's a completely fucking different thing to ignore them as if they never existed, and think THAT'S the way to harnony and peace(which is what the song's saying)....

Want more??...

"Down, down with H-I-S-T-O-R-Y"

I'll say it again...those who ignore history are destined to repeat it...makes FAR more fuckin' sense than the lyrics to "Race"...

"I don't wanna know (I don't wanna know)
Why those before us hated each other"

Maybe you SHOULD..then you'd understand why those with us RIGHT FUCKIN NOW hate each other...

"I'd rather believe they never did..."

And I'd rather believe that I'm 6' 11" and can slam-dunk over Shaquille O'Neal anytime I want to...but that ain't gonna make it so....better to understand and KNOW the realities...


I swear, I haven't seen any group of people latch onto a Prince lyric so feverishly to support their views since all that "Love4oneanother" twaddle that was posted at the end of people's posts...

cross-post, forgive me:

Honestly, my part in all this reminds me of how people must feel about Family Name & TRC in general. When I saw that single sentence about calling P "nigger", that was all it took, all I thought about for the rest of the thread. I got emotional about it b/c that word offends me so & I just went off without really examining what was being said.

It's so easy for all of us to jump when anything racial is involved - makes me wish people would go back & listen to TRC again, draw a deeper conclusion than "oh, he's a racist now" b/c that cannot be the last page of the book, folks. I don't believe that for a second.

damn...just like PrinCe , Kellyanne has made a valid point (somewhere hidden in all the ramblings) that we all need to consider. For far to long the black community has been way to passive and the victim. Yes, its okay to discuss history and to clarify it. But to do it in a cryptic fashion does nobody any good. Prince's comments were uncalled for and inappropriate..And any rationalizing by wellbeyond or anyone else here cant justify that. I have attended many concerts and have been moved to tears by some acts that convey their concerns of the world in clear and understanable fashion. Bono from U2 is a great example of this. On a few occasions I have been downright upset at some of Prince's rants...Simply because they are seperatist in tone and execution. (A smarmy comment about God and nonbelievers going to Hell during a Sac show come to mind). If he wants us to understand and possibly agree with his opinions he needs to engage us in intelligent dialog. Not just give us cryptic soundbits between songs.

But besides that...we as African Americans need to rise above all this..We need to empower ourselves...teach our children, while we might have been injusticed in the past..we shall rise and stand above it now. We should not expect the school system to teach us about how Lincoln was hypocritical. heck, our school systems cant even teach our children how to read and write. And shouldn't parents be held accountable for educating their children? If the fact that Lincoln owned slaves and had alterior motives for his actions is soo important...teach them your damn self!!!


Perpetuating negativity will get us know where. Get over the whole "white man is keeping me down" adage. Empower yourself...Gain economic freedom. Thats my goal...Im already succesfull and soon will own my own company...Hopefully I will be able to help other's within the black community to do the same... This is how I plan on rewriting black history. Not by drudging up old issues.
[This message was edited Mon Mar 4 23:04:02 PST 2002 by SkletonKee]
[This message was edited Tue Mar 5 12:11:02 PST 2002 by SkletonKee]

If Prince decides to give me the new surname of "lynch" when he come to NYC; I'll give him the finger and give him the new surname of a**hole!

As for this Lincoln nonsense that he seems fit to dump on us. Hey Prince..stop listening to Larry and go look up some OTHER quotes by Lincoln and what he had to say about slavery later in his life. Read what he wrote in his personal journals for example. Larry may not have access to a computer..but I'm sure you do.

Don't just a man on ONE quote from his life. People change and grow. Otherwise we'll have to judge you by the stupids dumbest thing you've ever said or done.

Plenty of that too choose from it seems these days.
[This message was edited Mon Mar 4 23:23:58 PST 2002 by CmputrBlu]

Man, some of this stuff being said here is straight out of Spike Lee’s “Bamboozled”.

“Shut up, Prince and just entertain me, you motherfucker!”

May I suggest the Prince bobblehead doll: It has no opinions, never speaks, doesn’t hold any religious or political beliefs, and you can slap it around whenever you so desire! Just think of the hours of joy it will bring to your home! No messy thinking involved and no goddamn art, just pure unadulterated mind-numbingly stupefying entertainment.

Damn, if it could only play the guitar and write songs (without lyrical content you don't agree with of course) some of you would be in heaven.

Believe it or not, I have no hate for anyone in here. I’m just voicing a different opinion than yours. There is a world of difference between the two.

In a word..."interesting"

Novy said:

You are so right. "Dance nigga dance. Jump nigga jump. Sing nigga sing. Play nigga play. But don't don't don't read, think, or say anything that will cause folks to read, think or speak."

We got enough minstrels in the entertainment industry. If you want thoughtless, mindless, meaningless entertainment go buy some of the other isht out there now.

kellyannemcclure said:

Seem to me that the only folks on here "crying like a little bitch with a skinned knee" are Mr. and Mrs. Lynch.

It just trips me out how some white people will quickly tell black folk to "get over it" when we talk about history, but when that shit is turned around, y'all sit and yell and holler louder than anybody else.

We ain't crying. We are remembering. Remembering not only what was done to us, but what WE did to get where we are. Yes, we were victimized, but our in our greatest moments we refused to be victims. Nat Turner refused. Denmark Vesey refused. Harriet Tubman refused. Marcus Garvey, WEB Du Bois, Frederick Douglass, A Phillip Randolph, MLK, Malcolm X, Elijah Muhammad, Angela Davis, Stokely Carmichael, Ella Baker... all refused to be victims... but they did NOT forget. They built on an accurate knowledge of the past and it is only by doing so can we move forward.

We remember so that we can say like the Jews have said of the Holocaust: "Never again. Never again."

kellyannemcclure said:

We can all pick and choose lyrics from Prince to back up our own opinion... the breadth of his subject matter covers much. I personally like this quote:

"Oh, if U could just pass your history class
Maybe life would be alright
Until then U'll be lookin' 4 a penny
In a large room with no light"

If this tour does go worldwide, is he going to bring all this extra stuff with the tour? I mean, it arguably doesn't have much relevance outside of America. What do we care about Abe Lincoln?

So much shit has been said here, it looks like racism comes in all shapes and colors...

Off cause we can't study the past enough, that's what we f*ckin' learn from. Why debate over such an obvious thing? The tone in 'kellyannemcclure's posts is weird and hateful, but the answers from 'wellbeyond' are not much better (although his arguements are way stronger).

Prince has without the shadow of doubt become more racially aware over the last years. His politicial standpoint has earlier been very shady and strange - ultra liberalist republican? - so I think it's good that he finally says something with a bit more edge. (I'm white myself if you wonder). Off cause I wouldn't like to be pointed out in a concert and called Mr. Lynch in the meaning Mr. Evil-and-stypid-and-ignorant-racist-killer, but was that really what happened at the concert? I doubt that. If it was Prince is just plain stupid and don't know what he's doing, but after seeing him in concert several times over the last two decades, I would say that he is very much away of the power he has as performer and that emotions he moves in the audience. I DON'T THINK he would stir up hatred and bad feeling on purpose by calling some poor white prince fan an asshole...

Maybe Jim Derogatis fra the Chicago Sun-Times got it all wrong. If not, Prince needs to wise up.


We claim Miles Davis, not Michaelangelo/We playin' D-flat in the funk
You better act like you know/We don't care, what Albert Einstein did
I'd rather know, rather know (what?)/How to build a pyramid

"Three seats over there's a lady black
Entrusted 2 her care is a little white girl
And the fact of the matter is
Before her mama or another kid at school
Tell her 'bout the fallacy that one race rules over the other
She'd be a much-better-off-left fool'

Interpretation for your brain-dead ass...this isn't about putting our past behind us!!!...It's about NOT continuing to voice racist views to our kids that "one race rules over the other"...fuck this "he just wants us to put our past behind us" shit...the lyrics are clear as day...

FYI, your calling me brain-dead has little impact on actuality. And THIS isn't the set of lyrics that I said were about putting the past behind us. This set of lyrics simply describe the fact that people of different races can coexist together - and there's nothing wrong with that. He's also saying that ignorance is bliss.


"If we never heard about the evils that those before us committed
Then how my dear, tell me now how my dear…
Tell me now how now would we know?"

Could it GET anymore fucking clearer than this??...It's one thing to acknowledge "The evils committed before us", but not to dwell on them(which is what you're thinking the song is simply saying)...it's a completely fucking different thing to ignore them as if they never existed, and think THAT'S the way to harnony and peace(which is what the song's saying)....

Want more??...

"Down, down with H-I-S-T-O-R-Y"

I'll say it again...those who ignore history are destined to repeat it...makes FAR more fuckin' sense than the lyrics to "Race"...

Could you BE anymore a fucking cliche??...I thought that you said this song was simplistic? Yet, you dwell on it and ramble on just like anything else you've ever undertaken to prove your idiotic nonpoint.

"I don't wanna know (I don't wanna know)
Why those before us hated each other"

Maybe you SHOULD..then you'd understand why those with us RIGHT FUCKIN NOW hate each other...

You think I hate you? You give yourself far too much credit. I hardly CONSIDER you.

"I'd rather believe they never did..."

And I'd rather believe that I'm 6' 11" and can slam-dunk over Shaquille O'Neal anytime I want to...but that ain't gonna make it so....better to understand and KNOW the realities...
I swear, I haven't seen any group of people latch onto a Prince lyric so feverishly to support their views since all that "Love4oneanother" twaddle that was posted at the end of people's posts...[/quote]

Right, love4oneanother is a terrible message to support! A terrible idea to stand behind. What have we all been thinking? Jesus H. Christ was nothing more than a Bronze-Age tree huggin hippie! You stupid, ignorant, stink nugget.

We claim Miles Davis, not Michaelangelo
We playin' D-flat in the funk
You better act like you know
We don't care, what Albert Einstein did
I'd rather know, rather know
How they built the pyramids

this quote from 2045: Radical Man is just to show an example of Prince's newfound racial awareness - and the tone in this qoute is the same, Prince is trying to be edgy and sharp in a Spike Lee-kind of manner, but it's not really that clever. "black cultural heritage is better that white" he seems to say - and EVEN if that is the case it itsn't smart to boast the point like that. Again - don't get me wrong, Miles Davis is my favourite musical artist along with prince and I think Spike Lee's films are brilliant! But Prince tends to get a bit clumsy when he touches political and social matters...

Wellbeyond & Nupowersoul, what was I thinking? I was so wrong...you must have had it so hard all those years that you personally spent picking cotton on those southern plantations, being whipped and beaten by The Man. I hope my great grandpappy done whipped you good. He would have, if he wasn't in Cork County, Ireland. You totally deserve that government reparations check to finance your crack habits.

By dwelling on race and what people that have been dead for decades went through, you are crying about history. And that will keep you from going anywhere in the future. Your choice. I suggest concentrating on what your race has achieved since then, and when you realize you may still have a ways to go, I hope that you also see that not everyone is your enemy, as much as you'd find comfort in believing.

Zipadeedoodah, you dumbass bastards.

How do you think David Lynch feels then?

COI said:

Hold up a minute there - this is rich coming from an American!

Go stick your god damn self righteous attitude up your ass.

kellyannemcclure said:

Kelly,I think you totally missed the points that Wellbeyond and Nupowersoul were making.Go back and read their posts and actually COMPREHEND what they are saying.And please,leave your own racist comments out of it!

Kelly,I think you totally missed the points that Wellbeyond and Nupowersoul were making.Go back and read their posts and actually COMPREHEND what they are saying.And please,leave your own racist comments out of it![/quote]


DavidEye, please bend down and KISS my ass.

Novy said:

I don't think anyone here is saying that at all. Prince has every right to hold whatever opinion he wants. And I'm willing to listen. It's just that IMHO Prince has focused his effort on a lot of nonsense recently or has taken valid issues (like the plight of blacks past and present) and found the most idiotic ways to present them it seems.

Does it really matter whether Christ was buried on a cross or on a starus? Enough to change the lyrics to one of your songs? Come on..is Santa Claus really Statan?

What exactly does singling out a white guy at a show and changing his surname to "lynch" really teach anyone about slavery. Guess what..the guy wasn't there when it happened. And you've just pissed off a bunch of people who just came(and paid) to see a show. What's next,refering to whitey as the devil? There's gotta be a better way to enlighten people about racism in America.

Then there's the Lincoln part of this. Good move Prince. Dig up some quote of Lincoln regarding how he felt about slavery but totally ignore his opinion on the subject later in his life. The measure of a man isjudged by his life as a whole and some part. Doesn't look good when you only cover part of the facts.

And BTW..I'd rather be neither dead nor be sold. And so would the rest of the world. Let's not play the "whose suffering was worse game" All it is is devisive.

I don't want Prince to be some mindless entertainer; but damn he's gotten himself hooked up with the wrong teacher IMHO. He hasn't become more enlighten but more narrow (and weird in some cases) in his views. In the old days his views were in his music. He entertained while he taught. He didn't beat you over the head with it. Now he's decided he has to preach to the masses directly.

I can see it now..in the future we'll all be discussing Prince in terms of "Prince BL" and "Prince AL" Before larry and After Larry

XxAxX said:

kellyannemcclure said:

DavidEye, please bend down and KISS my ass.[/quote]

Ooh,another "devastating put-down" by the oh-so-intelligent KellyAnne:)

I THIMK IS TRYING 2 STIR THINGS UP BUT GOING ABOUT IT THE WRONG WAY. WE HAVE ENOUGH PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE IN OTHER COUNTRIES WE SURE DONT NEED THINGS GOING OFF AT HOME WITH EACH OTHER. BUT GUYS ITS JUST ENTERTAINMENT HE IS NOT A POLITICIAN THANK GOD, BUT DOES MAKE VALID POINTS BUT THEY SAY,., ITS A WAY 2 SAY EVERTHING WITHOUT STEPPING ON PEOPLE'S TOES. ADN DID'NT ABE SAY IF HE COULD FREE THE STATES WITHOUT FREEING THE SLAVES HE WOULD. THAT DOES NOT SOUND HUMANE AT ALL.

DavidEye said:

Ooh,another "devastating put-down" by the oh-so-intelligent KellyAnne:)[/quote]

As illustrated by your reply, it doesn't take much to deal with you. Why should expend any effort when the simple will do just fine?

I cannot believe the short-sightedness of people on this thread and it only serves to justify Prince's original action on stage.

Even after the centurys (that kellyanne beleives we should disregard - really kellyanne, do you forget everything you did in your chilhood and "move on", as opposed to refelecting and learning from experience (as we should from history) to make the future better?) of misuderstanding and mistreatment of different cultures, the problems are still here and mainly because of how some people on this thread still appear to think - wake up!

To illustrate the point further for kellyanne (she needs it) - I presume you still live somewhere in the UK. Don't you think it's tragic that people in the UK are still being blown up, shot, kneecapped etc because of an injust past that stretched back to (you guessed it - oops, you probably didn't ) the famine and even farther still? Do you think the families of those that have been murdered would agree with the apathy you display? I doubt it - that history affect us all NOW, because history is the path we tread to get here - you can't ignore it, you can't change it, but you could learn from it.

And TonyC - you might not care about race, and there have been some improvements in attitudes(going hand-in-hand with the amount of information that is available to people these days), certainly amongst a large proportion of my generation in England (that's not to say we don't have problems, our news is currently full of race-related incidents) - but to say the WORLD does not have this view. Do you take in world affairs? The fact that half of the world's countries are at war over race and religion, September 11th and even what's going on in your own town doesn't reach you - probably not, because your type of apathy requires that you live in your own, hemetically-sealed, bubble of ignorance.

Prince did a great thing in raising this issue and I don't see how it was muddled. It was a fiarly simple point and he knew that part of the reaction would be this sort of division and derision - this board is just a microcosm of the world after all. But, notice how the division only occured in those who did not stop to think about it! These are the people that still have to be reached and educated.

"There's so much work to do.....everywhere!"

Hehe - you gots to larff!!! Kellyanne doesn't live in the UK at all - funny, because I remember posting to a Kelly some time ago who was Irish, but lived in England - still, you brought up the potato famine and the points about that do not lose their validity - I'll just learn from the experience and check people's profile first, eh?

I cannot believe the short-sightedness of people on this thread and it only serves to justify Prince's original action on stage.

Nothing justifies what Prince did. Even if he picked both a white person and a black person from the audience, the white person was still singled out in a racist manner, while the black most likely felt, "you homies, Prince just gave me mad props" or something. This white man was a paying customer, an apparent supporter of Prince, who was unwittingly cast in the role of hatemonger. No doubt he received funny looks from the audience for the rest of the show..."Why would Prince call him a racist...he must be." Not too far off from some of how you Prince faNs think.

Even after the centurys (that kellyanne beleives we should disregard - really kellyanne, do you forget everything you did in your chilhood and "move on", as opposed to refelecting and learning from experience (as we should from history) to make the future better?) of misuderstanding and mistreatment of different cultures, the problems are still here and mainly because of how some people on this thread still appear to think - wake up!

Were you a slave when you were a child? I sure as hell don't think so, unless you're approaching your 140th birthday. Prince is not reflecting or teaching anything about history. He's dwelling on it. And to what end? TRC comes off as nothing more than "blacks suffered most, na na na na na na." It's juvenile and distorted. It's convoluted and nonsensical. Someone gave a link to a web site on the Lincoln comment thread which shows that Prince picked one of many comments Lincoln made about slavery - Prince chose the one to push his own agenda, which is not teaching by any stretch. It's selective "enlightenment."[/b]

To illustrate the point further for kellyanne (she needs it) - I presume you still live somewhere in the UK.

Trust me, I need NOTHING that you could give me. Yes, Boston, MA is smack dab in the middle of the fucking UK. Dumbass.

Don't you think it's tragic that people in the UK are still being blown up, shot, kneecapped etc because of an injust past that stretched back to (you guessed it - oops, you probably didn't ) the famine and even farther still? Do you think the families of those that have been murdered would agree with the apathy you display? I doubt it - that history affect us all NOW, because history is the path we tread to get here - you can't ignore it, you can't change it, but you could learn from it.

You know, if you only learned to read it would make this all so much easier. In my original post, I mentioned the famine and its impact as being a tragedy for the Irish that rivalled slavery for the blacks or the near genocide of the Jews. Why do you think so many Irish people came to this country in the 1840s-1850s? Because of the famine. When they got here, they could not find jobs, many had to change their names to more American sounding ones just to find a place to live. Yet now many Irish, like many blacks or many women are doing much better, because they put the past behind them and got down to the business at hand. You and dumb bastards like Wellbeyond can sit here on a Prince message board and debate race issues endlessly. The world will just pass you by. Be my guest. Dwelling on history gets you nowhere. Don't wink at me, Nancy Boy. Anyone know the emoticon for a middle finger?


Prince did a great thing in raising this issue and I don't see how it was muddled. It was a fiarly simple point and he knew that part of the reaction would be this sort of division and derision - this board is just a microcosm of the world after all. But, notice how the division only occured in those who did not stop to think about it! These are the people that still have to be reached and educated.

This board is not a microcosm of the world. This board is the collection of the few people that still actually give a shit about anything Prince says or does. Well, this board minus me.