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I would like to point out that sometimes the truth hurts. America has tried to sweep the issue of slavery and racism under the rug, but the dirt is just too dang gon filthy. Bill Clinton apologized for slavery, but repriations are not forthcoming. White people today always hide behind the fact that "THEY" did not enslave black people. They use this excuse to excuse modern day racism. They weren't slave owners so they don't feel the need to act on race issues today. "I'm not a racist, I have black friends" -- I'm sure every black person in America has heard this line at least once. But what white people fail to realize is that they continue to REEP THE BENEFITS OF SLAVERY, and black people continue to suffer the consequences of it. The healing of humanity cannot commence until the truth be told. White people TODAY must accept and realize the consequences on slavery. The concept of cause and effect is what is at issue. Cause - Slavery, Separation, Jim Crow, Racial Profiling, Fear. Effect - Lynching, Killing, Holocausts, Genocide, Hate. This is real people - let's face facts. This issue is never going to die until it is dealt with properly and justly. White people can hide forever and a day like an ostrich, but the effects of racial hatred will never stop rearing its ugly head. No, you may not have been a slave owner, no you may not be a racist, but tell me why I have to spend $600/month to send my 2 daughters to private school to guarantee they'll receive a power education, when parents in the white suburbs (where I do not feel comfortable living) get their power education free? Now tell me who's reeping the benefits, and who's suffering the consequences? "Use this tool to control the masses w/guaranteed success: Divide/Conquer =>No Communication cuz we are Divided =>Misunderstanding cuz we don't Communicate =>We can't Agree we only Misunderstand =>Chaos cuz we can't Agree. Chaos-an evil tool indeed!" | |
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SweeTea said: I would like to point out that sometimes the truth hurts. America has tried to sweep the issue of slavery and racism under the rug, but the dirt is just too dang gon filthy. Bill Clinton apologized for slavery, but repriations are not forthcoming. White people today always hide behind the fact that "THEY" did not enslave black people. They use this excuse to excuse modern day racism. They weren't slave owners so they don't feel the need to act on race issues today. "I'm not a racist, I have black friends" -- I'm sure every black person in America has heard this line at least once. But what white people fail to realize is that they continue to REEP THE BENEFITS OF SLAVERY, and black people continue to suffer the consequences of it. The healing of humanity cannot commence until the truth be told. White people [color=red:8d76a1ae12:0568c49d90]TODAY must accept and realize the consequences on slavery. The concept of cause and effect is what is at issue. Cause - Slavery, Separation, Jim Crow, Racial Profiling, Fear. Effect - Lynching, Killing, Holocausts, Genocide, Hate. This is real people - let's face facts. This issue is never going to die until it is dealt with properly and justly. White people can hide forever and a day like an ostrich, but the effects of racial hatred will never stop rearing its ugly head. No, you may not have been a slave owner, no you may not be a racist, but tell me why I have to spend $600/month to send my 2 daughters to private school to guarantee they'll receive a power education, when parents in the white suburbs (where I do not feel comfortable living) get their power education free? Now tell me who's reeping the benefits, and who's suffering the consequences?
AMEN, SWEETTEA!!! You TELL 'EM!!.....And all the rest of you QUIT your griping! You sound like children.... | |
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This pop critic is a jerk he is a pop critic P does not play pop! I went to both shows in Chicago and I am a White female. I was not offended what so ever because I know the true meaning. People WAKE UP listen to the whole cd. Rainbow Children rise rise up we have to rise above this and praise God He says this. In his last song he even says We Must Come Together As ONE! Also if you listen to the song family name it is very clear what he is saying he was not putting any race down he was making his point & if you are a true Prince fan you would understand this. Get the Rainbow Children and listen to it. It makes sense. Right now it is a White man's world but our races our rising quickly and in 2020 it will not be run by the White man but by everyone Whites will be outnumbered by different races and there will be interacial races. This jerk of a reporter should keep his mouth shut if he cannot understand the meaning. Prince was great both shows and I hope he does not lose any fans because of this review but if so then they were not true fans to begin with. Also, the dumb pop critic wrote he should of told that he just lost his mother two weeks ago. Why? That is no one's business but Prince's. I know if I lost my mother 2 weeks ago I would not want to announce it without breaking down. At Saturday's Show he did announce how if u lose someone close and forgot to say I love you and sorry how much it hurts. Let me know what people think about this ciritc & who attended the show.
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XxAxX said: i see brian, so you're saying that inflammatory words are okay as long as they make a point? fine. if prince ever calls me *lynch* i'll feel free to shout back *nigger* at him
Your ass better hope you're not standing next to a BLACK person when U say that, because if you call Prince a "nigger", you're calling HIM a "nigger", too, and you MIGHT JUST get knocked the FUCK out!! Watch your back, bitch. | |
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LadyCabDriver said: XxAxX said: i see brian, so you're saying that inflammatory words are okay as long as they make a point? fine. if prince ever calls me *lynch* i'll feel free to shout back *nigger* at him
Your ass better hope you're not standing next to a BLACK person when U say that, because if you call Prince a "nigger", you're calling HIM a "nigger", too, and you MIGHT JUST get knocked the FUCK out!! Watch your back, bitch. In his defense, i think he was just making a point...like he said in the original post... Peace Peace Out, Trout!! | |
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see what i mean? words can hurt. and yes, LadyCabDriver, i WAS just making a point. i do NOT call my black friends by derogatory names, and wouldn't expect them to call me *lynch* either.
LadyCabDriver said: XxAxX said: i see brian, so you're saying that inflammatory words are okay as long as they make a point? fine. if prince ever calls me *lynch* i'll feel free to shout back *nigger* at him
Your ass better hope you're not standing next to a BLACK person when U say that, because if you call Prince a "nigger", you're calling HIM a "nigger", too, and you MIGHT JUST get knocked the FUCK out!! Watch your back, bitch. | |
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Ok, here's the deal:
Grouping responsibility 4 an injustice by people's external appearance is itself an injustice. I look white, but I'm not. I'm Jewish (ie semitic, not caucasian, anglo-saxon etc.) and I'n not even American. The reason I look white is because some Cossack m-fers raped some of my ancestors who were living in ghetto-villages in Eastern Europe. I find it offensive 2 b treated as "white" and 2 b accused of sharing responsibility 4 raping and lynching of African slaves and their descendants. OTOH, members of my people perform and have performed their own injustices. I choose 2 share my responsibility 4 those and try 2 make whatever reparations I can, but I would kick the s--- (metaphorically) out of any m-f who tried 2 force thosae responsibilities on me. Hell, I wouldn't f-ing dream of calling a German-speaking person "Nazi" or making him/her wear a yellow star. I mean, 4 all I know his parents were partisans, or she's 1st-generation German, and even if his grandparents were f-ing SS, why the f should I abuse him? My confusion with Prince has always been that I'm never quite sure whether his apparent naive simplisticness is tongue-in-cheek, or whether he's a bit simple-minded. In this case I think his lack of depth becomes close-minded bigotry. I agree that the context was sorely missed from the review, and that the reviuewer was thereby being misleading and malicious, but my point remains. Prince always treats his audience as if they're all Christian, and all American (cf the supposed benefiuts of the NPGMC). I've always let that pass. But now he's becoming offensive and bigoted, and I can't ignore that... "We've never been able to pull off a funk number"
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XxAxX said: i am flat out amazed at this "singling out a white audience member and calling him lynch" crap
I DON'T THINK I CAN OVERLOOK THIS. THIS MIGHT TRULY FINALLY BE THE END OF MY FANDOM. FUCK YOU PRINCE!!!!! THOSE WHITE AUDIENCE MEMBERS DIDN'T HANG YOUR FUCKING ANCESTORS!! THEY PAID YOUR FUCKING INLFATED TICKET PRICES AND YOU INSULT THEM??!!!!! WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE PRINCE??? [This message was edited Mon Mar 4 11:09:20 PST 2002 by XxAxX] [This message was edited Mon Mar 4 11:09:54 PST 2002 by XxAxX] Good riddings... one less person online trying to buy a premium ticket when I am! "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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I understand to a certain degree what this critic says: "With so many brilliant, timeless hits to his credit, why does Prince waste time doing covers at all?". I also think that the show would be more balanced, and satisfying for more fans if he build up the show like this:
*First he plays the whole TRC album, and maybe some Xenophobia tracks. *Then he could do the solo piano performance as the second part. *The third part would be FULL LENGTH performances of his hits. In this way you please both the hardcore fans (the TRC part and the piano part) and the people that just want to hear him perform his greatest hits. The FULL LENGTH greatest hits part would even please me as a hardcore fan, and would certainly make for a nice end of the show! RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time... |
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XxAxX said: i see brian, so you're saying that inflammatory words are okay as long as they make a point? fine. if prince ever calls me *lynch* i'll feel free to shout back *nigger* at him
so Mr. Lynch ='s "Nigger"??? jeez. Well when you're ready to put your Prince collection up on ebay let me know... "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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wellbeyond said: Interesting that the critic didn't mention that Prince ALSO renamed a BLACK audience member...he asked the white person what their last name was, they said "Rhodes"...the then said "you're name is now 'Lynch'.."...then went to a black person, and said "you're name's now 'Rhodes'.."...the point??..Well, if "you"--a white person--don't like being called "Lynch" by a freakin' SINGER for 5 minutes...how the HELL do you think BLACKS have felt being renamed "Lynch" by a fucking slave owner, and having that be their family name for 350 years???....
Now..how the FUCK is that "assaulting" anyone??...Geez... It's a bit hilarious that when "Family Name" has someone renaming a black slave "Tom Lynch", very few on here came forth and said "God, that's awful...naming a BLACK man Tom Lynch...what Prince is saying with 'Family Name' is right"...it apparently was just another lyric to sing along to to most...that is, until someone at a concert gets called "lynch", THEN it's worth getting pissed off about...lol... And BanishedBrian is 100% correct...we ARE part of the "performance"...and we are GLADLY...that is, when Prince yanks our fat, flabby asses on stage to dance for the rest of the audience, we don't mind...when he hands out tamborines and cowbells to play along with the band, we don't give a shit, do we...when he does a call-and-response with us to help him sing, we don't yell out "Fuck you!!..I'm paying YOU to sing, motherfucker!!.."....All performers--at least the good ones--use their audience in their performance... Some woman once asked Richard Pryor during one of his concerts what happened to his chest hair(his shirt was unbuttoned)...Richard shot back "What happened to my chest hair??...I never had any chest hair...what happened to your pussy??"....Of course the audience howled...I wonder how that woman felt having thousands of people surrounding her and laughing about her pussy??...and I wonder how many of you on this thread would have laughed RIGHT the fuck along with it, and never ONCE thought "she paid her $$$, she should be assaulted!!"... People get WAY too fucking sensitive when it comes to what Prince does or says...fuck it, he's an ENTERTAINER, he's not the Pope... Oooh thank God for some sanity, and balance in reporting what actually went on. "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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And for the record, "Lynch" is NOT a racist slur!! (Not anymore or less than "Rhodes" is!) "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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Whoa! I don't like this whole situation at all!
OK, so maybe he was just trying to prove a point by changing the names of both a black and a white person, but I still think he went about it a TOTALLY wrong way. You don't make a point by alienating people or insulting them, (it was an insult to not an assault on the white person in the audience.) Unless of course, that white person said or did something to cause him or her to be singled out, but but if they were singled out just because they were WHITE, that IS a form of racism and totally UNCALLED FOR. If this is what Prince's new religious beliefs are causing him to do and think, I personally want no part of it. He has recently said that he will no longer curse anymore because he does not want to put out negativity through language, but doesn't this behavior put out much MORE negativity that the word "fuck" ever could? | |
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NuPwrSoul said: And for the record, "Lynch" is NOT a racist slur!! (Not anymore or less than "Rhodes" is!)
I would say it is offensive for a white person to be called "lynch' Peace Out, Trout!! | |
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wasitgood4u said: Ok, here's the deal:
Grouping responsibility 4 an injustice by people's external appearance is itself an injustice. I look white, but I'm not. I'm Jewish (ie semitic, not caucasian, anglo-saxon etc.) and I'n not even American. The reason I look white is because some Cossack m-fers raped some of my ancestors who were living in ghetto-villages in Eastern Europe. I find it offensive 2 b treated as "white" and 2 b accused of sharing responsibility 4 raping and lynching of African slaves and their descendants. If you look white, then you get treated as white, and therefore are given preferential treatment in this country. Thus, you are fair game for Prince's demonstration. My ancestors came to America well after the end of slavery, and I'm not Anglo-Saxon, but I still get the benefits of being white when I walk down the street. Thus, I have no problem with taking responsibility for what other whites did 200 years ago, and I would gladly pay reparations out of my own pocket to repay the unjust advantage that my skin color gives me in this world. No Candy 4 Me | |
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BanishedBrian said: wasitgood4u said: Ok, here's the deal:
Grouping responsibility 4 an injustice by people's external appearance is itself an injustice. I look white, but I'm not. I'm Jewish (ie semitic, not caucasian, anglo-saxon etc.) and I'n not even American. The reason I look white is because some Cossack m-fers raped some of my ancestors who were living in ghetto-villages in Eastern Europe. I find it offensive 2 b treated as "white" and 2 b accused of sharing responsibility 4 raping and lynching of African slaves and their descendants. If you look white, then you get treated as white, and therefore are given preferential treatment in this country. Thus, you are fair game for Prince's demonstration. My ancestors came to America well after the end of slavery, and I'm not Anglo-Saxon, but I still get the benefits of being white when I walk down the street. Thus, I have no problem with taking responsibility for what other whites did 200 years ago, and I would gladly pay reparations out of my own pocket to repay the unjust advantage that my skin color gives me in this world. It depends on where you walk my friend. If I walk through North Philly there aren't many benefits to being white... Its really all relative. Peace Out, Trout!! | |
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How the F*** is "lynch" an insult??!?? Somebody please tell me. There are people walking around named "Lynch." He did not say "Lyncher." Good Gawd people! "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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At this point, any fool can see how talk like Prince used at the show just begets more hate...look whats happened here...the battle lines are being drawn and we don't even know each other... Peace Out, Trout!! | |
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welcum2thedawn said: NuPwrSoul said: And for the record, "Lynch" is NOT a racist slur!! (Not anymore or less than "Rhodes" is!)
I would say it is offensive for a white person to be called "lynch' How about "Bob"? Can I call you Bob? "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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yeah, NuPwrSoul, it is. in that context and way it is
NuPwrSoul said: And for the record, "Lynch" is NOT a racist slur!! (Not anymore or less than "Rhodes" is!) | |
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welcum2thedawn said: At this point, any fool can see how talk like Prince used at the show just begets more hate...look whats happened here...the battle lines are being drawn and we don't even know each other...
I don't think you can blame Prince for this... what's happening is that already pre-existing differences are being brought to the surface... differences that many of us would like to believe don't exist cuz we are too busy living "Uptown." "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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NuPwrSoul said: How the F*** is "lynch" an insult??!?? Somebody please tell me. There are people walking around named "Lynch." He did not say "Lyncher." Good Gawd people!
It was an obvious play on words. Kind of like if he call an African American "George" Peace Out, Trout!! | |
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NuPwrSoul said: welcum2thedawn said: At this point, any fool can see how talk like Prince used at the show just begets more hate...look whats happened here...the battle lines are being drawn and we don't even know each other...
I don't think you can blame Prince for this... what's happening is that already pre-existing differences are being brought to the surface... differences that many of us would like to believe don't exist cuz we are too busy living "Uptown." Don't you see...this is how the lines get drawn between the colors...sure,racism is still a big problem in our lives, but for Christ's sake lets not fan the damn flames...i guess i'm kinda bothered here that Prince's crack pissed me off as a white person and instantly the line is drawn between black and white... Peace Out, Trout!! | |
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welcum2thedawn said: It was an obvious play on words.
Kind of like if he call an African American "George" Well he called an African American "Rhodes" or "Roads" for that matter. Should that person be insulted? "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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i agree MusicAngel
and, since you missed it the first time NwPwrSoul, this is the point I was making originally MusicAngel said: Whoa! I don't like this whole situation at all!
OK, so maybe he was just trying to prove a point by changing the names of both a black and a white person, but I still think he went about it a TOTALLY wrong way. You don't make a point by alienating people or insulting them, (it was an insult to not an assault on the white person in the audience.) Unless of course, that white person said or did something to cause him or her to be singled out, but but if they were singled out just because they were WHITE, that IS a form of racism and totally UNCALLED FOR. If this is what Prince's new religious beliefs are causing him to do and think, I personally want no part of it. He has recently said that he will no longer curse anymore because he does not want to put out negativity through language, but doesn't this behavior put out much MORE negativity that the word "fuck" ever could? | |
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welcum2thedawn said: Don't you see...this is how the lines get drawn between the colors...sure,racism is still a big problem in our lives, but for Christ's sake lets not fan the damn flames...i guess i'm kinda bothered here that Prince's crack pissed me off as a white person and instantly the line is drawn between black and white...
And all I'm saying is that those lines existed before me, you, or Prince. So we can't accuse him or any of us of drawing them. It wasn't until this reporter--who clearly does NOT like Prince--interpreted what Prince did that this discussion is occuring. All the reports from all three shows--and no one seemed bothered by this. Go check the other posts/tour reports and no one has been "pissed off as a white person" for the whole Rhodes/Lynch thing. Why now? "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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NuPwrSoul said: welcum2thedawn said: It was an obvious play on words.
Kind of like if he call an African American "George" Well he called an African American "Rhodes" or "Roads" for that matter. Should that person be insulted? If you can't see the problem with "Lynch" there's no way I could ever explain it to you. The point is that it offended some white people... Do we deserve it? Is it owed to us? Did the use of rhodes or road have some kind of offensive meaning for a African American? Peace Out, Trout!! | |
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XxAxX said: i agree MusicAngel
and, since you missed it the first time NwPwrSoul, this is the point I was making originally MusicAngel said: ...but if they were singled out just because they were WHITE, that IS a form of racism and totally UNCALLED FOR. We have NO idea why Prince picked that person. We have no idea that he said to himself "Hmm, let me find a black person and let me find a white person." It's the REPORTER who says "single out." Lastly, even if Prince said "Let me find a white person and a black person," listen to the song "Family Name." It is about some people *haveing* their family names and others--in this case black folk--NOT having their family names. "You might say, what you mad about... But you still got your family name" "That...magic, the start of something revolutionary-the Minneapolis Sound, we should cherish it and not punish prince for not being able to replicate it."-Dreamshaman32 | |
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BanishedBrian said: If you look white, then you get treated as white, and therefore are given preferential treatment in this country. Thus, you are fair game for Prince's demonstration. My ancestors came to America well after the end of slavery, and I'm not Anglo-Saxon, but I still get the benefits of being white when I walk down the street. Thus, I have no problem with taking responsibility for what other whites did 200 years ago, and I would gladly pay reparations out of my own pocket to repay the unjust advantage that my skin color gives me in this world. I agree with your point, but u missed mine: Prince is accusing somebody of sharing responsibility 4 a crime purely on the basis of their skin-colour. The "white" person in the audience may b a Kosovon Muslim who has arrived in the country 2day 4 the concert, is leaving 2morrow, and has been a victim of oppression her entire life. Plus, I don't think tha u should b repaying out of your pocket 4 past crimes, becoz u benefit from 2day's injustices. Instead, get off your a-- and try 2 "Right the Wrong" (Charity money never did s--- except maintain the status quo) "We've never been able to pull off a funk number"
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