VioletBlue said:

Were you there? Nope. This is an example of wishful thinking. I doubt Wendy & Lisa had much to do with any of those songs.

Personally, I don't give a crap if W&L contributed to the music or not. I would watch this show regardless of the fact. Unfortunately, there's only one piddly PBS station in the Minnesota area that even has this show and it's nowhere near me. WTF, TPT (formerly known as KTCA)???
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TonyC said:

Obviously you know NOTHING about this subject. VioletBlue is telling you what I though most Prince fans know, very common knowledge. When has any other Prince band members ended up on the cover of Rolling Stone or has Prince write a song for them because he misses them, In This Bed I Scream? He knows what they did together as a unit and that's all that matters. Plus the "were you there" was just being a smartass to VioletBlue, but someone that WAS there was Susan Rogers who herself said that "Wendy and Lisa thought of things that Prince never would have." Put that all together and what do you get?? A REVOLUTION!!

Here is a link to the officiL PBS station list. http://www.pbs.org/kcet/t...broadcast/

EverlastingNow said:

First of all you are dead wrong and "most Prince fans" don't know this or think this. Secondly, even if most fans did think this, most people once believed the world was flat at one time. Wendy and Lisa freaks like to dream and fantasize about them having a huge influence on Prince's music, but the truth is that they were mainly there for touring and did little to influence Prince except for turning him on to Joni Mitchell.

Prince has sold millions of records and written many great songs without them. Wendy & Lisa however had a failed solo career because they couldn't produce one hit. This is because they aren't especially talented in the songwriting department. I have four of their solo albums and they are pretty good, but not great. Compared to most people, they are talented artists and good songwriters. Compared to Prince, they are only marginally talented and nothing special. They were bringing him down and diluting his talent which is why he kicked their asses out of the band (while asking Dr. Fink and Brown Mark to stay).

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TonyC said:

The fact that they weren't able to produce hits on their own says nothing about them not having a big input on his music. Even if it's your opinion they were bringing him down, that alone says they did have an influence on him. The fact others were asked to stay was because they were simply players who played their parts and weren't very much involved in the creative part.

The interaction between Wendy, Lisa and Prince was great. They were able to lift eachother to higher levels. Which one(s) are more talented is completely irrelevant. There has to be a certain balance in the band. Trying to make a band of genius players and songwriters won't work.

I'm by no means a fan of W&L, but I do acknowledge their part in the music he made when they were in the band. Wendy, Lisa (Wendy more so than Lisa actually), Sonny and Kirk were all very important to his music, whether you like them or not.

PS: here's another example Roadhouse Garden...why wasn't this one finished? Nuff said...

The same people who are just claiming that Wendy & Lisa had NO effect on Prince R probably the same people who think Larry Graham and Kirk Johnson MADE Prince do what he did from 1997-2003. Prince has always been influenced by others, but he is an individual and always does what PRINCE wants. Eye may not agree with a lot of his business decisions, and especially the HEAVY MEDLEY concert 4mat, but it's HIS decision. Eye love him enough 2 respect all of his decisions...well..perhaps Tony M might bring up a red flag..but...anyways...Wendy and Lisa R perhaps best as a creative influence, but not as musicians in a band setting. Now if Prince ever wanted the full Sign O The Times band back, and perhaps insert Wendy and Lisa...now that would be a BAND!@

Guitar: Dez Dickerson,Mico Weaver, Wendy Melvoin
Bass : Levi Seacer Jr.
Drums: John Blackwell
Drums/etc: Sheila E
Keys : Matt Fink,Lisa Coleman
Everything: Prince
Horns: Atlanta Bliss, Eric Leeds, Greg Boyer


Now that's a band!

TonyC said:
you're completely wrong new material that would be an album between The Truth and Eroica or Girlbros would be terrific & no even need to talk about the unreleased tracks here

Oops, having read the rest of the threat I realize others have said it at least as well as I could... and mostly better, lol... oh well..

SquarePeg said:

THANK YOU SQUARE PEG!!!!

People need to learn to appreciate what happens when quality minds get together... someone else said it, and misspelled it , but its called SYNERGY. Notice I said 'quality'. You don't need to be All-World to contribute something wonderful, just be willing to share your vibe. I bring what I've got and my unique way of doin it, you bring yours, and if we're lucky we both learn just enough of the other's way and create something neither of us could have done alone. Neither Wendy and Lisa nor Prince have sounded the same since the breakup, they're not SUPPOSED to, lol. But its impossible to listen to the ladies play and not see what they brought to the mix. Skills and like the man said so perfectly... "colors".

Come ON, disbelievers. Its not like Wendy hasn't gotten MAAAAAD props and admiration on her own two. My favorite example among many:

-credits on "Sweetness", from Sananda Maitreya's TTD's Wildcard-
"Bass: The Fabulous - The Original - The One and Only Super Goddess: Wendy Melvoin • Sananda: Vocals, Sitar, Keyboards, Percussion, Programming • Wendy Melvoin appears courtesy of her own permission and grace "

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VioletBlue said:

Thanks Violet. I realized a lonnng time ago that without Wendy and Lisa, many of my favorite Prince songs might never have captured me the way they did and still do (I love the 'breadth' they add to his catalogue)...I compare it to when I was younger and found out that Prince was behind The Time, lol.. not equal, but same effect. Anyway, you cite Eric Leeds regarding Power Fantastic, and I've read that before...but the line about Mountains I've never seen credited to anyone. Who has the 411 on that one? Anyone??

TonyC said:

Actually, most Prince are very knowledgable about what was written by whom. You on the other hand that their greatest contribution was "wendy...yes lisa". Facts are facts, it's not a belief that they've influenced Prince's music. Just listening to the music of that era MOST people can hear their influence, but I'm quickly finding that you are not most people. It's really not a dream or a fantasy. Go over to www.okayplayer.com and listen to ?uestlove rave about their contributions to the Revolution. So it's not like it's just us Wendy and Lisa fan's talking for no reason, a lot of us are musicians and know what the hell we're talking about. Prince has sold millions of records and I'm not going to diss Prince because I've been a fan since 1979 but when is the last time one of his albums went platnium?? Emacipation incase you don't know. So it's not like he's selling millions of ALL his albums. But I HATE when people start throwing numbers out like it means quality. Britney Spears' new album outsold NEWS, does that mean it's better??? To me it sounds like you're reaching just trying to make a valid point, but you are falling shorter with each post. They were bringing him down. Damn you need a clue He just simply wanted to record alone again, he was actually just doing pieces of songs and having them fininsh them. Plus, if he was so anxious to get rid of them, why when he mentioned his dream band to Chris Rock the FIRST two people he mentioned were Wendy and Lisa?? If I were you I'd go do some research and come back with something that actually has some validity to it. I'm afraid your next post will include "I'm rubber and you're glue".
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TonyC said:

"You may say that I'm a dreamer...but I'm not the only one!"

I don't like going back and forth over stuff like this, but I must say the girls had much more to do with the man's success than turning him onto Joni Mitchell, seeing as he was already digging on Joni before (she's thanked on the Dirty Mind album credits).

And Wendy and Lisa may not be earthshattering as "solo artists" to some, but they are awesomely underrated...my opinion, of course, and I NEVER get tired of two of their albums- "Fruit at the Bottom" (I Think It Was December is the SHIT!!) and "Girl Bros." ("Let's Say..."!!)

And I will always wave the flag and shout that Prince has not been the same since they left the fold. He has had moments of brilliance throughout the years since 86, but NOTHING compares to 82-88.

Now...LET'S ALL REJOICE!!!!! They're one step closer to a reunion. Speaking of that, I am bothered a bit about a potential Revolution reunion. I just can't see Bobby Z. as Prince's drummer anymore. The folks he's had since Bobby left have blown Bobby away (even Kirk Johnson!) I mean no disrespect to Mr. Rivkin, but does anybody feel me?

Regardless, Prince possibly working with Wendy and Lisa again is the BEST Prince news/rumor in I don't know how long! I think even those who don't want to give the girls their due are excited. Compared to who he's been working with, you must admit this is a VAST improvement!!!!

JumpUpOnThe1 said:

Prince also said in a "Rolling Stone" interview that he would not use bass in his music any longer if Brown Mark wasn't in his band.

EverlastingNow said:

Rumors that are widely accepted and believed are not necessarily facts.

TonyC said:

You really should read Dance Music Sex Romance by Per Neilsen. The book was extensively researched, using interviews with people Prince worked with extensively from his years through Lovesexy. Most of these "rumours" you speak of were defined as fact in this book, by people like Wendy, Lisa, Eric Leeds, Dr. Fink, Brown Mark, Alan Leeds, Susan Rogers, David Tickle, Sussanah, Bobby Z, David Z, Miko Weaver, etc. This isn't just idle speculation on the part of Prince fans. Wendy and Lisa were a huge influence on his music during this time period, including the Sign O The Times album, which was made up of sessions from the Dream Factory album project (a Prince and The Revolution album) and Camille (a Prince solo side project).

By the way, if you're in Houston, the Prince broadcast is going to be aired at 12:30 am, friday the 20th, on Kuht, channel 8.